tv The Context BBC News January 15, 2025 8:30pm-9:01pm GMT
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many thanks be allowed in. many thanks indeed for _ be allowed in. many thanks indeed for being _ be allowed in. many thanks indeed for being with - be allowed in. many thanks indeed for being with us. i let's talk to our with me is chief to our international correspondent lyse doucet. do you think this is an agreement that will stick and can work? it agreement that will stick and can work?— can work? if any of us have been living _ can work? if any of us have been living in _ can work? if any of us have been living in gaza - can work? if any of us have been living in gaza for - can work? if any of us have been living in gaza for the l been living in gaza for the past 15 months under for most, the constant drone of the israeli drones, the constant threat of attacks, the utter devastation, as you heard from rushdi — schools and hospitals destroyed, food in short simply, destroyed, food in short supply, malnutrition, disease. of course they're celebrating. from this day forward, it will be better than what they have been through. but it could so
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easily crashed down his life will not improve quickly and for many, it may not improve at all for a very long time. this is a very crucial deal, but a very complex deal, and there will be many spoilers on the way. there is a possibility of accidents, but also attacks along the way. those who believe, they don't want... the far right is on it. but tonight is a night to celebrate. sunday will be a day of celebration for the families of some israeli hostages, when the women and children start coming home free. then for the families of the palestinian prisoners, once they come out of the jails, that it's the six weeks. we've been listening to your guests talking about these six weeks — it could unravel. but there is also a chance to make it work and a lot will depend on the mediators, on the united states and how close and i the trump administration ——
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how close an eye. many others were constantly in the region. i was talking to the palestinian representative here in the uk about what is the long—term future of also? assuming all this does work, what then for gaza? obviously it needs to be rebuilt, but what about its political future? �* , what about its political future? 3 ., , what about its political future? �*, . , ., what about its political future? �*, ., ., ., future? it's really hard now to see the future _ future? it's really hard now to see the future of— future? it's really hard now to see the future of gaza. - future? it's really hard now to see the future of gaza. it's . see the future of gaza. it's almost... there has been an effort from day one. i remember whenjoe biden came to tel aviv within days of that horrific assault you have to look at the day after and learn from their mistakes. but yet to this moment, prime minister netanyahu �*s not wanting to focus on the day after despite pressure from even his own
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cabinet. that is a challenge to the palestinians, and they have also been trying to work out their differences between what's left of hamas and palestinian civil society. but also on those who would be suspected to bring in the huge sums of money — we're talking massive amounts of money — to rebuild a territory flying in utter ruin. they're not going to do that. everything the qataris put into that, it's been destroyed. as a prime minister who is proud to say he fights against the palestinian state. physical states are not going to invest huge sums of money —— those gulf states. lyse doucet, thank you very much indeed. let's take a moment to look at how palestinians in gaza have reacted to the announcement of this deal.
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all chanting this was the scene in khan younis earlier this evening — as news of a ceasefire began to spread. you can see people draped in palestinian flags dancing, playing drums and chanting as a mood of celebration spread. after 15 long months of war, why wouldn't they be celebrating cease—fire? more than 46,700 people have been killed in gaza since israel launched its military operation in response to the october seventh attacks by hamas — that's according to gaza's hamas—run health ministry. most of the 2.3 million population has also been displaced, there is widespread
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destruction, and there are severe shortages of food, fuel, medicine and shelter due to a struggle to get aid to those in need. let's speak to james elder, unicef spokesperson. united nations child ren's united nations children's fund. what is your reaction first of all to this news and often the news of the other type, so it's nice to be able to report on the more positive. what is your response? it’s the more positive. what is your re5ponse?_ response? it's such a welcome ri - , response? it's such a welcome rip. reprieve — response? it's such a welcome rip. reprieve -- _ response? it's such a welcome rip, reprieve -- welcome - rip, reprieve —— welcome reprieve. i was here many times in march, and there was an agreement and i'll never forget, a woman saying to me, "james, i go to bed and i promise my daughter that she will wake in the morning." of course, that was blown up before anybody had a chance to breathe. it's long overdue. even last two weeks, hundred 20 children have been killed.
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that's so unnecessary. all of this is so unnecessary, but it's a beacon of hope, as you rightly said and as lyse doucet pointed to, there is an enormous amount to do. absolutely systematic devastation of the health system. 95% of schools have been destroyed or damaged. almost the entire population is food insecure. there's not a child there that can get prosthetics or in aesthetics. but as you rightly point out, that's what it agency like unicef has been prioritising. it's a huge, huge undertaking and enabling our environment, it doesn't suddenlyjust get easier with this. a lot has to be done. we're talking on paper of asking for 1000% increase in the amount of trucks going in.
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it was the worst in the entirety of this horror show last year. the people in gaza are coming from really being on are coming from really being on a precipice. there's a huge amount to do, but we have to take today as a moment that we hope to celebrate and we hope that it turns into a lasting peace. that's the only sane solution. peace. that's the only sane solution-— peace. that's the only sane solution. a , solution. as you say, hundreds of trucks a _ solution. as you say, hundreds of trucks a day _ solution. as you say, hundreds of trucks a day - _ solution. as you say, hundreds of trucks a day - that - solution. as you say, hundreds of trucks a day - that is - of trucks a day — that is specifically part of the agreement. you must be pleased to see that that it is nailed down as part of the deal. in terms of logistics, are you and other agencies ready to get that aid in as soon as you're allowed to?— that aid in as soon as you're allowed to? we're extremely leased allowed to? we're extremely pleased to — allowed to? we're extremely pleased to see. _ allowed to? we're extremely pleased to see. eight - allowed to? we're extremely pleased to see. eight has - allowed to? we're extremely pleased to see. eight has to| allowed to? we're extremely l pleased to see. eight has to be there. we've got to a position that we long feared, that beyond the horror of 15,000 or more children being killed — you break that down and that's
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30 girls and boys getting killed average every day since this war started. it is unprecedented. obviously, bringing in aid is important because we have seen children die of the cold and now malnutrition. we have been ready for a long time and its prioritisation... but we have to remember — i've been on dozen of convoys. we've always said from the beginning the most efficient way to bring aid in his own land. —— is on land. that will also help on the security front. we need populations on the move again because right now, they're crowded in tiny spaces. there is an enormous amount that needs to be done, but also requires a great deal of goodwill. it really is day one
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and we are coming from a worryingly low base in terms of aid being allowed in. at the end of this month, there may be decision that unrwa is not able to operate. that would be horrendous. we have this good news, but do we have the apparatus to get through? an organisation like unrwa remains critical. , ., , , organisation like unrwa remains critical. , , ., critical. james, very good to talk to you _ critical. james, very good to talk to you and _ critical. james, very good to talk to you and good - critical. james, very good to talk to you and good luck. critical. james, very good to i talk to you and good luck with all your work in gaza. thank you so much. let's also talk about the hostage families. we've been talking to him and hearing from them with their reactions because this conflict began on the 7th of october 2023, when hamas fighters burst into israeli communities, killing about 1,200 people and taken
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roughly 150 hostages. earlier, we werejoined by moshe emilio lavi. his brother—in—law, omri miran, is among the hostages currently held in gaza. here's what he shared with us about how life has been for his family since october 7th. our world is upside—down ever since october 7th. on october 6th, i was in new york. i was heading to a party in a nightclub. and then everything, all the news emerged from israel, from my hometown, from my communities, from my friends, teachers, my family. and ever since, my life is different. ever since, i've been prioritising, advocating for the hostages. that's what matters for us — advocating for for our society advocating for our society to heal from the tragedy of october 7th. and we haven't processed everything yet. my sister certainly did not,
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because she's been fighting like a lioness ever since october 7th. i remember a phone call on october 8th, i told her, "what do you need me to do? "should i consecrate to the military? "i was an officer in the army. "should i advocate in new york?" she told me we are advocating for the hostages. and eversince, i'm doing it for her and for all the hostages. and we'rejust seeing omri again then, your brother—in—law. i know you started off at the beginning of this interview saying we need to be cautious. interview saying we need to be cautious, there's a long way to go. but having said that, is there some cause for you and all the relatives to celebrate today that at last there does appear to be
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an agreement with very specific timelines for the release of the hostages? i am so happy forfamilies who will receive good news, hopefully. and we don't know yet. war is a kingdom of uncertainty and we don't know what is going to change on the battlefield in the next second. i'm so relieved that some hostages will be released, but i will not celebrate until the last hostage is home, until those who are alive will be rehabilitated, and those who were murdered in captivity or taken after they were murdered will be buried in the land of israel. that's my mission. hoping than for the release of his brother—in—law omri miran, one of the hostages. the war has put so much pressure on benjamin netanyahu. dahlia scheindlin is a political analyst and fellow at the think—tank century international. she is in tel aviv. thanks very much for being with us. there must be anger, as we were hearing, and frustration from hostage families that this deal has been agreed and first put on the table way back in may byjoe biden. i put on the table way back in may by joe biden.— may by joe biden. i think that's been _ may by joe biden. i think that's been the - may by joe biden. i think that's been the word - may by joe biden. i think that's been the word on | may by joe biden. i think. that's been the word on the street among much of the
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israeli public for much of this week. the one thing we keep hearing people say is that if this was the same deal, why did it have to wait this long? but we should remember that criticism, although it seems very widespread, we hear this on everybody�*s lips. at the same time, there is a minority who has been opposed to the hostage deal. it's roughly around a quarter of the israeli public and about 70% generally for it. but that small minority is the minority that the government is listening to because the issue has become so terribly politcised, such that the right—wing government has been avoiding a hostage deal up until now and making the case about why it would not have been right to set that deal now, even now as we see key ministers, coalition allies in the government, who are openly and bitterly opposed to this
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deal and have been saying nonstop for the last two days what a terrible deal it is, which is deepening the rift even for there. it's an out of the lot —— agonising process. it's almost like they have no disappointment left, they're just so demoralise by that resistance from within the government that's supposed to represent all of israeli citizens.— represent all of israeli citizens. , ., ~' represent all of israeli citizens. , ., ~ ~ citizens. why do you think mr netanyahu — citizens. why do you think mr netanyahu has _ citizens. why do you think mr netanyahu has finally - citizens. why do you think mr netanyahu has finally agreed | citizens. why do you think mr l netanyahu has finally agreed to this deal that he wouldn't agree to months ago? is it because he's been pushed into it, frankly, by donald trump? i can tell you that is the widespread speculation. i think there is a dearth of empirical information about what's changed his mind. certainly 15
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