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held by hamas for the hostages held by hamas for the last 15 months. i'm katriona perry. hours after he confirmed a ceasefire deal is in place for gaza — and days before he hands power to donald trump — president biden is set to deliver a farewell address to the nation in half an hour. his speech will be broadcast to million of poeple across the united states and around the world, and will cap his single four year term as president. he will lay out what he says are the achievements of his administration, as well as its challenges — on the economy, foreign policy, immigration, and the environment. we will be reflecting on president biden�*s legacy in this special news programme. but we'll start with the latest news
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out of the midle east — where there are hopes that 15 months of israeli attacks on gaza will soon come to an end. and the remaining hostages held by hamas since october the 7th 2023, will start to return home. our international editor, jeremy bowen, sent this report from jerusalem. in the streets of khan younis in gaza, overwhelming relief that they are alive, and hope, too, that the nightmare of this war might be over. translation: when they announced that there - is a ceasefire, we felt happy and relieved. the pain has disappeared a bit, even though the pain is still present. but hopefully joy will overcome the pain. let our prisoners get freed and for the injured to get treated. people are exhausted. some weapons, some defiance were on show, but hamas is a shadow of what it was when it attacked israel on the 7th
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of october, 2023. and apart from survival, there isn't much to celebrate for palestinians in gaza. israel has killed almost 50,000 people at least. the territories are in ruins and well over 2 million have been forced out of their homes. and in tel aviv, it is also a bittersweet moment for the families and supporters of israeli hostages, living and dead. 33 women, older men and the sick and wounded are due for release in the next six weeks in return for hundreds of palestinian detainees and prisoners. but the future of the rest of the hostages depends on more negotiations. we really hope that no one will mess it up. not in ourside, not in their side. and we really wait for this very, very needed thing to happen — for the war to stop, for the hostages to come home. israel's president said the ceasefire was right, important and necessary. translation: there is no greater moral, human, - jewish or israeli obligation
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than to bring our sons and daughters back to us, whether to recover at home or to be laid to rest. the war started on the 7th of october, 2023, with a devastating series of surprise attacks by hamas. it was one of the worst intelligence and security failures in israel's history. a painful inquiry into who missed the signs it was coming, starting with the prime minister, lies ahead. 251 people were taken into gaza as hostages. hamas killed around 1,200, mostly israeli civilians, in their own homes. it took days to recover the bodies. israel responded by hammering gaza and its people, from then until today. it insists it respects the laws of war. it says hamas caused so many civilian casualties, wounded and dead, by using them as human shields. but israel's prime minister
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and former defence minister face arrest warrants for war crimes, and the international court ofjustice is investigating a case accusing israel of genocide. in washington, president biden took credit for a diplomatic victory, celebrated america's support for israel, and said the war had transformed the middle east for the better. this has been a time of real turmoil in the middle east, but as i prepare to leave office, our friends are strong, our enemies are weak, and there is a genuine opportunity for a new future. in lebanon, there is an opportunity for a future free from the grip of hezbollah. in syria, a future free from the tyranny of assad. and for the palestinian people, a credible pathway to a state of their own. thank you. who gets credit fori this, mr president, you are donald trump? is that a joke?
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but donald trump's pressure on israel as well as hamas to seal the deal before his return to the white house next week might have made a decisive difference. joe biden put the plan on the table last may. with gaza in ruins, the point from the president that the palestinians have a path to their own state is wishful thinking. the israeli government says security depends on military power, not allowing palestinian independence. after 15 months of war in gaza, the conflict which has lasted more than a century is as bitter and intractable as ever. with luck, the ceasefire will end this war, but it does not end the conflict. consequences of so much destruction and death will be felt for a generation at least. jeremy bowen, bbc news, jerusalem. joining me live dana stroul, former deputy assistant
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joining me live is white house bureau chief at the washington post — toluse olorunnipa. a big moment forjoe biden before this was announced, setting out his farewell address tonight, can we expect he will mention this front and centre? i he will mention this front and centre? ., , . , ., centre? i do expect this to be a big part _ centre? i do expect this to be a big part of _ centre? i do expect this to be a big part of the _ centre? i do expect this to be a big part of the speech. - centre? i do expect this to be a big part of the speech. he l a big part of the speech. he wants to talk about his legacy on domestic policy and foreign policy and leading the speech with a little bit of news is usually a good way to get people's attention and show that you are active, even in the final days of your presidency, so i do expect president biden to take another bite of the apple and get more remarks about this deal that has come together in the final days of his presidency. he is going to want to show that his presidency was one that was always working for the american people, despite his advanced age that he was continuing to advance the interests of the american people on issues of foreign and domestic policy, so i do expect them to talk about this deal, to use it as an example of his presidency delivering for the american
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people, of his willingness to be resilient even though this deal was a long time coming, took a lot of effort, 1a months of negotiation, a lot of setbacks. he wants to be able to show that after all that hard work, he had a breakthrough at the end of his presidency and he wants to take some credit for this even as trump who is coming into office is also trying to take credit for this deal coming to fruition in the final days of the biden administration. fin the biden administration. on the biden administration. on the domestic policy front, what issues do you think he will be setting out as major achievements? i setting out as ma'or achievements? ~ , achievements? i think number one is he _ achievements? i think number one is he will— achievements? i think number one is he will talk— achievements? i think number one is he will talk about - achievements? i think number one is he will talk about the i one is he will talk about the economy. you might think that's a little bit of a strange decision, given the fact that that was the number one issue in the election people voted against biden�*s party and for donald trump. joe biden does have a number of good things to talk about when you look at the economy, more than 60 million jobs have been created during his presidency, the unappointed rate has been low, inflation which was a major problem globally has been on the decline in the us and he has a
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number of major pieces of legislation that he can thank for some of the growth we have seen, including the inflationary reduction act, the climate law, the big info structure law that he passed with bipartisan support in the big chips and science semi conductor act he passed with bipartisan support as well. his ability to get their major pieces of economic legislation is going to be a big part of his domestic agenda and his record and legacy that is going to be talking about tonight. now, this term of office is not ending the way he hoped it would. he would've liked a second term there, what has the mood been like around the white housein mood been like around the white house in these last few days? it's been sombre, it's been reflective. they've tried to really go on a farewell to her. joe biden has been doing a number of the speech is leading up number of the speech is leading up to this speech, talking but his economic agenda, talking but his foreign policy agenda, talking about these really big legacy focused speeches and the people within the white house are obviously trying to work until the final day, but also
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reflecting on what they've been able to accomplish, in some cases, reminiscing on things that may have not gone as well, and also on the fact that donald trump is going to be occupying the oval office where joe biden is going to be speaking tonight, just a matter of days. it's a lot of trepidation about that, people are worried that trump will undo a lot of the progress, a lot of the policies thatjoe biden implemented while he was president, they are also worried that donald trump will be more unrestricted than he was during his first term, more willing to press against the guardrails of american democracy with the support that he's gotten from voters and also the support he's gotten from the supreme court which has basically given him a blanket immunity for prosecution. there is a lot of fear among people in the white house right now thatjoe biden could be the last american president that defends democracy the way that he has and that donald trump could come through with a wrecking ball towards the american democracy and also go after some of his political
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opponents, there is a lot of fear that that could be what joe biden�*s presidency leads to and there is a lot of sadness about that.— about that. has joe biden indicated _ about that. has joe biden indicated at _ about that. has joe biden indicated at all _ about that. has joe biden indicated at all what - about that. has joe biden indicated at all what he . about that. has joe biden indicated at all what he is going to do past 12, a little later when he's finished with the inauguration ceremony on monday? the inauguration ceremony on monda ? ~ ., , . monday? well, we do expect him to take a long _ monday? well, we do expect him to take a long vacation. _ monday? well, we do expect him to take a long vacation. he - monday? well, we do expect him to take a long vacation. he is - to take a long vacation. he is worked hard over the last four years. he has a number of vacation homes, one in delaware, he spends a lot of time in st croix in the us virgin islands. so i would expect them to take some time off. he has said going into his presidency that he was working on a book about inflection points of american history. i would expect them to go back to that end i also expect him to write a book the way that most past presidents do about their time in office, about their history, and to really sit down and reflect on the past four years, not only the past four years, not only the past four years but a kind of men that would take us all the way back to the beginning of his life and the beginning of his time in office. you have to remember
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that the speech really five decade experiment he's had in public service and i imagine after he leaves he is going to want to continue to be engaged, not only will he want to focus on his library as his presidential library but focus on ways he can be impactful outside of public service while also writing a book that can talk about his time serving the public. i imagine he will keep himself busy, he's well past the age of retirement. he's the kind of person i expect him to continue to remain engaged, continue to remain engaged, continue to remain engaged, continue to try to see how it can make an impact and do a lot of the things that he's been doing while he was in public service, which is talking to people, meeting with people and trying to see where he's going to make progress on important fronts. ~ ., , ., fronts. white house we are cheap at — fronts. white house we are cheap at the _ fronts. white house we are cheap at the washingtons l fronts. white house we are - cheap at the washingtons post, thank you so so much forjoining us on bbc news. we will of course bring you thatjoe biden farewell address as soon he starts speaking. that's expected at around about eight o'clock eastern time, 8pm eastern time
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and we will talk plenty about that in just a few moments. for now, let's turn more towards that big news coming to us from the middle east today, news of that cease—fire deal between israel and hamas. joining me now is mohamed taha from bbc arabic what is the situation like in the region tonight? we heard reports earlier about israeli strikes continuing in gaza and somewhere between 20 have been 30 people reportedly killed. yes, indeed, after the announcement of the cease—fire deal between the palestinians and israel, the palestinians started to celebrate, started to have joyful atmosphere started to celebrate, started to havejoyful atmosphere in gaza and all of a sudden, this turned to be, again, strikes from israel in different parts of gaza according to the health
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authorities there this putting the number of palestinians died in the strikes in gaza and the last 2a hours of more than 80 people. unfortunately, the palestinians will have to face these situations for maybe three more days until the cease—fire enters into effect on sunday where they expect the cease—fire to be in effect then to outside the residential areas and the aid to gaza will be intensified by 600 trucks a day. then there will be a free movement in gaza where the palestinians will be able to return back to their places or their homes if there are remaining homes, as we know there are 70% of gaza strip is destroyed according to forensic reports that have been done by the bbc and there will be the
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exchange of hostages and prisoners. three hostages are expected to be released on sunday. tens of palestinians will be released may be around 50 palestinians might be released on sunday. so the atmosphere is mixed between joyful and the happiness of this cease—fire to happen and the end of this a67 days of war. and the pain of the continuation of the fighting and the israeli strikes. d0 continuation of the fighting and the israeli strikes. do we have any _ and the israeli strikes. do we have any information - and the israeli strikes. do we have any information about i and the israeli strikes. do we i have any information about how this is all going to happen on sunday? what time it might happen? where the hostages will be released from, to whom, and of course that crucial aid getting in. mi of course that crucial aid getting in-_ of course that crucial aid getting in. of course that crucial aid caettin in. �* , ., getting in. all the people, all the parties — getting in. all the people, all the parties in _ getting in. all the people, all the parties in the _ getting in. all the people, all the parties in the middle - getting in. all the people, allj the parties in the middle east where a really keen to announce the deal as it happened, because, you know, from may,
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even before may come of the negotiations on this deal were going on. we kept saying that it's close many times. and this is a big moment that they agreed on the main points. the main points where that israeli withdrawal, israel insisted they would not withdraw from gaza at all, especially from the corridor or from the the corridor orfrom the philadelphia i corridor are thatis philadelphia i corridor are that is bordering egypt now, these points are cleared and there will be negotiations towards the permanent cease—fire a2 days from the implantation of the first phase. —— philadelphi. of course, the exchange of hostages and prisoners, these are main points that hamas and israel kept negotiating for long and reaching this deal as all parties said, it's historic, it's towards
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establishing palestinian states, it's towards the return of the hostages back, the hostages back to their homes and the return of this peaceful atmosphere again in the middle east that we lost for a long time. this was the main point for tonight. time. this was the main point fortonight. i do time. this was the main point for tonight. i do expect in the coming days, coming three days before the implementation of the first phase on sunday that these details would be announced one by one, but what we understand is it should enter by sunday, so we expect by saturday midnight that the cease—fire would be implemented, no fighting between the two parties and the withdrawal also of the israeli forces from the residential areas. we understand that israel already started to withdraw from the corridor to allow the free movement of the
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palestinians.— palestinians. thank you very much for _ palestinians. thank you very much for that _ palestinians. thank you very much for that update. - joining me live is former us state department senior policy advisor for the middle east peace process laura blumenfeld. thank you for being with us. we are awaiting this farewell address from joe biden, of course, key to that will be this middle east peace deal, which will form part of his legacy. how important is it to him personally to have got this deal to this pointjust before he leaves office? i deal to this point “ust before he leaves office?_ he leaves office? i think it's crucial. he leaves office? i think it's crucial- i— he leaves office? i think it's crucial. i mean, _ he leaves office? i think it's crucial. i mean, he- he leaves office? i think it's crucial. i mean, he has- he leaves office? i think it's crucial. i mean, he has a i crucial. i mean, he has a reasonable man in an unreasonable region. he sort of a consensus gentlemen of the senate the question was could you accomplish anything with that kind of approach in the middle east? i think he needed trump, honestly, for that final assist. he was the architect of this three—part plan, which he made public at the end of may, he put up the blueprint, but he needed that bulldozer, trump, to kind of get it built
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because, you know, goldilocks doesn't work in gaza, that kind ofjust right not too hot not too cold. it's a tough area and he is going to be personally satisfied because it doesn't feel good to leave office leaving hostages in gaza. her trump i would say it doesn't look good. he is all about appearances. this is an empathetic president and i think you talk about commitment is one of the keys for achieving anything in the middle east and if anything, he was overcommitted. maybe that was overcommitted. maybe that was his fault.— was his fault. with me here in studio, i have _ was his fault. with me here in studio, i have our _ was his fault. with me here in studio, i have our two - studio, i have our two panelists who are always bit with us for the big occasions. thank you to you both for being with us again. just on that point about the middle east as it forms part ofjoe biden's legacy, what is your view on that, stephanie?— that, stephanie? certainly toniuht that, stephanie? certainly tonight in _ that, stephanie? certainly tonight i'm sure _ that, stephanie? certainly tonight i'm sure he's - that, stephanie? certainly i tonight i'm sure he's grateful that there is a cease—fire that he can announce as he talks
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about his legacy. he really is about his legacy. he really is a president who sees himself as a president who sees himself as a foreign policy maker and really prides himself on that. his administration has had mixed results when it's come to foreign policy. this is a win that will be one that i'm sure will highlight tonight in his speech. will highlight tonight in his seech. ., , ., ., speech. rodney, what do you think? as _ speech. rodney, what do you think? as was _ speech. rodney, what do you think? as was mentioned - speech. rodney, what do you i think? as was mentioned there, many commentators said today this public couldn't have happened without president—elect donald trump and his team on the ground. it will be interesting to see a president biden actually recognises the trump efforts on the trump team efforts during his speech tonight. i was very excited — his speech tonight. i was very excited to— his speech tonight. i was very excited to see his spokesman for national security, john kirby, _ for national security, john kirby, talked about how he and steve _ kirby, talked about how he and steve which cough, brett mcgurk, all worked together as a team — mcgurk, all worked together as a team i — mcgurk, all worked together as a team. i think that bodes well for the — a team. i think that bodes well for the american people as we transition _ for the american people as we transition into the second trump _ transition into the second trump presidency, where we are seeing _ trump presidency, where we are seeing a — trump presidency, where we are seeing a transition that focuses on america's priorities togethen _ focuses on america's priorities touether. ~ . ., �*
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focuses on america's priorities touether. ~ i ., �* ., together. when joe biden made his inaugural — together. when joe biden made his inaugural address _ together. when joe biden made his inaugural address almost. his inaugural address almost four years ago now, he spoke about wanting to unify the country. is this what he's managed to do now and working with the trump team closely on this deal? i with the trump team closely on this deal? ~ �* , ., ., this deal? i think it's a great thing that — this deal? i think it's a great thing that he _ this deal? i think it's a great thing that he worked - this deal? i think it's a great thing that he worked with i this deal? i think it's a greatl thing that he worked with the trump team on this deal because while they may have been the ones who have been negotiating this deal over the last 1a months, it will be the trump administration that will have to execute it. in fact, the collaboration between the trump administration and the biden administration and the biden administration on this foreign policy issue is almost a refreshing return to the way things used to be where politics ended at the waters edge, and we approached foreign policy issues as a united nation. i policy issues as a united nation. ., ., , nation. i want to bring in the editor and — nation. i want to bring in the editor and chief _ nation. i want to bring in the editor and chief of _ nation. i want to bring in the editor and chief of foreign i editor and chief of foreign policy magazine, and he is with us here as well. how is this playing abroad, this unity between outgoing president biden and president—elect donald trump and their efforts
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to work together or at least their teams to work together on this deal? , their teams to work together on this deal? i ., , this deal? sorry, i was muted there. ithink— this deal? sorry, i was muted there. i think it _ this deal? sorry, i was muted there. i think it will— this deal? sorry, i was muted there. i think it will play - there. i think it will play quite _ there. i think it will play quite welt _ there. i think it will play quite well. i— there. i think it will play quite well. i think- there. i think it will play quite well. i think for. there. i think it will play i quite well. i think for much there. i think it will play - quite well. i think for much of the rest — quite well. i think for much of the rest of— quite well. i think for much of the rest of the _ quite well. i think for much of the rest of the world, - quite well. i think for much of the rest of the world, they've| the rest of the world, they've been — the rest of the world, they've been very— the rest of the world, they've been very ready _ the rest of the world, they've been very ready now- the rest of the world, they've been very ready now for- the rest of the world, they've i been very ready now for several weeks _ been very ready now for several weeks in — been very ready now for several weeks in terms _ been very ready now for several weeks in terms of— been very ready now for several weeks in terms of anticipating l weeks in terms of anticipating what — weeks in terms of anticipating what president—elect- weeks in terms of anticipating what president—elect donald i what president—elect donald trump — what president—elect donald trump witt— what president—elect donald trump will do. _ what president—elect donald trump will do. so _ what president—elect donald trump will do. so many- what president—elect donald i trump will do. so many senses they've — trump will do. so many senses they've already— trump will do. so many senses they've already started - they've already started reaching _ they've already started reaching out _ they've already started reaching out to - they've already started reaching out to his - they've already started i reaching out to his team, they've already started - reaching out to his team, it's only— reaching out to his team, it's only natural— reaching out to his team, it's only natural that _ reaching out to his team, it's only natural that anything . reaching out to his team, it's only natural that anything to| only natural that anything to do with— only natural that anything to do with foreign _ only natural that anything to do with foreign policy- only natural that anything to do with foreign policy now i only natural that anything toj do with foreign policy now in large — do with foreign policy now in large part— do with foreign policy now in large part is— do with foreign policy now in large part is in— do with foreign policy now in large part is in anticipation l large part is in anticipation of trump _ large part is in anticipation of trump and _ large part is in anticipation of trump and because - large part is in anticipation of trump and because of. large part is in anticipation - of trump and because of trump. i think— of trump and because of trump. i think the — of trump and because of trump. i think the biden _ of trump and because of trump. i think the biden team - i think the biden team understands _ i think the biden team understands that- i think the biden team| understands that well. i think the biden team - understands that well. and they were _ understands that well. and they were decent— understands that well. and they were decent enough— understands that well. and they were decent enough to - understands that well. and they were decent enough to tag - understands that well. and they| were decent enough to tag team on this— were decent enough to tag team on this one — were decent enough to tag team on this one with _ were decent enough to tag team on this one with the _ were decent enough to tag team on this one with the next - on this one with the next administration. - on this one with the next administration. what- on this one with the next administration. what we| administration. what we shouldn't— administration. what we shouldn't forget, - administration. what we i shouldn't forget, however, administration. what we - shouldn't forget, however, is that— shouldn't forget, however, is that inasmuch _ shouldn't forget, however, is that inasmuch as _ shouldn't forget, however, is that inasmuch as today - shouldn't forget, however, is that inasmuch as today is - shouldn't forget, however, is that inasmuch as today is a l that inasmuch as today is a good — that inasmuch as today is a good news _ that inasmuch as today is a good news day, _ that inasmuch as today is a good news day, it - that inasmuch as today is a good news day, it is- that inasmuch as today is a i good news day, it is so good that inasmuch as today is a - good news day, it is so good to see the — good news day, it is so good to see the hostages _ good news day, it is so good to see the hostages who - good news day, it is so good to see the hostages who have - good news day, it is so good to i see the hostages who have come back, _ see the hostages who have come back, come — see the hostages who have come back, come back. _ see the hostages who have come back, come back. spare - see the hostages who have come back, come back. spare a - back, come back. spare a thought— back, come back. spare a thought for— back, come back. spare a thought for those - back, come back. spare a thought for those who - back, come back. spare a i thought for those who didn't make — thought for those who didn't make it _
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thought for those who didn't make it back, _ thought for those who didn't make it back, both - thought for those who didn't make it back, both on - thought for those who didn't make it back, both on the i make it back, both on the israeli _ make it back, both on the israeli side _ make it back, both on the israeli side and _ make it back, both on the israeli side and also- make it back, both on the israeli side and also for. make it back, both on the. israeli side and also for the immense _ israeli side and also for the immense losses _ israeli side and also for the immense losses on - israeli side and also for the immense losses on the - immense losses on the palestinian _ immense losses on the palestinian side. - immense losses on the palestinian side. i- immense losses on the palestinian side. i will. immense losses on the - palestinian side. i will point out, _ palestinian side. i will point out, the _ palestinian side. i will point out, the united _ palestinian side. i will point out, the united states- palestinian side. i will point out, the united states has. palestinian side. i will point. out, the united states has lost enormous _ out, the united states has lost enormous amounts _ out, the united states has lost enormous amounts of - out, the united states has lost enormous amounts of soft - out, the united states has lost. enormous amounts of soft power globally. — enormous amounts of soft power globally. around _ enormous amounts of soft power globally, around the _ enormous amounts of soft power globally, around the world - enormous amounts of soft power globally, around the world and i globally, around the world and country— globally, around the world and country after _ globally, around the world and country after country - globally, around the world and country after country there - globally, around the world and country after country there is i country after country there is a sense — country after country there is a sense that _ country after country there is a sense that the _ country after country there is a sense that the united - country after country there is. a sense that the united states has deployed _ a sense that the united states has deployed double - a sense that the united states. has deployed double standards. it has _ has deployed double standards. it has not — has deployed double standards. it has not been _ has deployed double standards. it has not been a _ has deployed double standards. it has not been a fair— has deployed double standards. it has not been a fair arbiter- it has not been a fair arbiter in this— it has not been a fair arbiter in this conflict. _ it has not been a fair arbiter in this conflict. of _ it has not been a fair arbiter in this conflict. of course i it has not been a fair arbiterl in this conflict. of course the biden— in this conflict. of course the biden administration- in this conflict. of course the biden administration will- biden administration will dispute _ biden administration will dispute that, _ biden administration will dispute that, but - biden administration will dispute that, but even i biden administration will- dispute that, but even senior intelligence _ dispute that, but even senior intelligence officials - dispute that, but even senior intelligence officials in - dispute that, but even senior intelligence officials in the i intelligence officials in the united _ intelligence officials in the united states _ intelligence officials in the united states have - intelligence officials in thel united states have pointed intelligence officials in the - united states have pointed out that anti—american _ united states have pointed out that anti—american sentimentl united states have pointed outi that anti—american sentiment is as high— that anti—american sentiment is as high as — that anti—american sentiment is as high as it's— that anti—american sentiment is as high as it's been— that anti—american sentiment is as high as it's been in— that anti—american sentiment is as high as it's been in a - as high as it's been in a generation. _ as high as it's been in a generation. that- as high as it's been in a generation. that is- as high as it's been in a - generation. that is something worth— generation. that is something worth noting _ generation. that is something worth noting and _ generation. that is something worth noting and lives - generation. that is something worth noting and lives in - generation. that is something worth noting and lives in the i worth noting and lives in the backdrop _ worth noting and lives in the backdrop of— worth noting and lives in the backdrop of the _ worth noting and lives in the backdrop of the day - worth noting and lives in the backdrop of the day that - worth noting and lives in the backdrop of the day that is l backdrop of the day that is largely— backdrop of the day that is largely one _ backdrop of the day that is largely one of _ backdrop of the day that is largely one of good - backdrop of the day that is largely one of good news. | backdrop of the day that is| largely one of good news. i 'ust largely one of good news. just want to bring you in largely one of good news.“ just want to bring you in on that point that was made there, do you think there has been damage caused to us soft power as to how this conflict has been handled? i as to how this conflict has been handled?— as to how this conflict has been handled? i mean two important _ been handled? i mean two important points, - been handled? i mean two
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important points, first - been handled? i mean two important points, first of l been handled? i mean two i important points, first of all, there is a passing of the torch year, but that fire can burn. biden gets the easy win, 70 mentioning my go to st croix and trump is going to have to deal with a humanitarian to staff —— catastrophe left behind and also the fact that israel is probably going to go back to fighting may be after six weeks as soon as that. the second point is biden has lost credibility on all sides. the image i've been using for months now as i spoke here and bbc and elsewhere is biden on a tightrope while he tried to support israel but also called for humanitarian assistance especially on campuses, students demonstrating and palestinian students demonstrating, they were both screaming the same thing which was f biden. maybe there are no winners in the middle east, but it's lost credibility for the united states. biden delivers loyalty. that's is kind of
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calling card. trump demands loyalty. so we will see how that works. america is back, was biden's slogan and we will see what trump delivers. brute see what trump delivers. we know that — see what trump delivers. we know that joe _ see what trump delivers. we know thatjoe biden see what trump delivers. we know that joe biden spoke with know thatjoe biden spoke with prime minister benjamin netanyahu of israel today neta nyahu of israel today congratulating netanyahu of israel today congratulating him on this cease—fire and hostage release deal with hamas, we are told in a readout from the white house that they discuss the unimaginable conditions the hostages, including americans have experienced over the 15 months in captivity. that is one point, isn't it, when we are talking aboutjoe biden's legacy, disastrous conditions, dire conditions for the people of gaza, but for an american perspective, there are american citizens who have been held hostage all this time. indeed. man of hostage all this time. indeed. many of their _ hostage all this time. indeed. many of their family - hostage all this time. indeed. | many of their family members and others— many of their family members and others around _ many of their family members and others around the - many of their family members and others around the world i many of their family members i and others around the world are going _ and others around the world are going to — and others around the world are going to be _ and others around the world are going to be asking, _ and others around the world are going to be asking, why- and others around the world are going to be asking, why did - and others around the world are going to be asking, why did it. going to be asking, why did it take — going to be asking, why did it take so— going to be asking, why did it take so long? _ going to be asking, why did it take so long? what _ going to be asking, why did it take so long? what has - going to be asking, why did it take so long? what has the i take so long? what has the united _ take so long? what has the united states— take so long? what has the united states got _ take so long? what has the united states got out - take so long? what has the united states got out of. take so long? what has the i united states got out of this?
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why was— united states got out of this? why was it _ united states got out of this? why was it not _ united states got out of this? why was it not able _ united states got out of this? why was it not able to - united states got out of this? why was it not able to put - united states got out of this? why was it not able to put toi why was it not able to put to bear more _ why was it not able to put to bear more of _ why was it not able to put to bear more of the _ why was it not able to put to bear more of the pressure i why was it not able to put to i bear more of the pressure and the leverage _ bear more of the pressure and the leverage that _ bear more of the pressure and the leverage that it— bear more of the pressure and the leverage that it had - bear more of the pressure and the leverage that it had on- the leverage that it had on israel— the leverage that it had on israel but _ the leverage that it had on israel but also _ the leverage that it had on israel but also on - the leverage that it had on israel but also on the - the leverage that it had on. israel but also on the hamas? why— israel but also on the hamas? why wasn't— israel but also on the hamas? why wasn't it _ israel but also on the hamas? why wasn't it able _ israel but also on the hamas? why wasn't it able to - israel but also on the hamas? why wasn't it able to use - israel but also on the hamas? why wasn't it able to use anyl why wasn't it able to use any of the — why wasn't it able to use any of the levers _ why wasn't it able to use any of the levers of _ why wasn't it able to use any of the levers of the _ why wasn't it able to use any of the levers of the awesome power — of the levers of the awesome power of _ of the levers of the awesome power of the _ of the levers of the awesome power of the resolute - of the levers of the awesome power of the resolute desk? i power of the resolute desk? those — power of the resolute desk? those are _ power of the resolute desk? those are questions - power of the resolute desk? those are questions that. power of the resolute desk? i those are questions that family members — those are questions that family members will— those are questions that family members will be _ those are questions that family members will be asking, - those are questions that familyj members will be asking, again, even _ members will be asking, again, even though— members will be asking, again, even though today _ members will be asking, again, even though today is _ members will be asking, again, even though today is a - members will be asking, again, even though today is a day - members will be asking, again, even though today is a day that| even though today is a day that is both— even though today is a day that is both sombre _ even though today is a day that is both sombre about _ even though today is a day that is both sombre about worthy i even though today is a day that is both sombre about worthy of celebration. _ is both sombre about worthy of celebration, you _ is both sombre about worthy of celebration, you know, - is both sombre about worthy of celebration, you know, within. celebration, you know, within all of— celebration, you know, within all of us. _ celebration, you know, within all of us, the _ celebration, you know, within all of us, the middle - celebration, you know, within all of us, the middle east, - celebration, you know, within all of us, the middle east, ofl all of us, the middle east, of course. _ all of us, the middle east, of course. has _ all of us, the middle east, of course, has always _ all of us, the middle east, of course, has always been - all of us, the middle east, of course, has always been the| course, has always been the place — course, has always been the place that _ course, has always been the place that the _ course, has always been the place that the last _ course, has always been the place that the last three - place that the last three american _ place that the last three american presidents - place that the last three i american presidents have place that the last three - american presidents have tried to get— american presidents have tried to get out— american presidents have tried to get out of— american presidents have tried to get out of unsuccessfully- to get out of unsuccessfully and it — to get out of unsuccessfully and it has _ to get out of unsuccessfully and it has dragged - to get out of unsuccessfully and it has dragged them i to get out of unsuccessfully. and it has dragged them back in. and it has dragged them back in but— and it has dragged them back in but even— and it has dragged them back in. but even more _ and it has dragged them back in. but even more broadly, ii in. but even more broadly, i think— in. but even more broadly, i think biden's _ in. but even more broadly, i think biden's foreign - in. but even more broadly, i think biden's foreign policy. think biden's foreign policy legacy— think biden's foreign policy legacy is— think biden's foreign policy legacy is mixed. _ think biden's foreign policy legacy is mixed. part- think biden's foreign policy legacy is mixed. part of. think biden's foreign policy legacy is mixed. part of it. think biden's foreign policyl legacy is mixed. part of it is because _ legacy is mixed. part of it is because history— legacy is mixed. part of it is because history does - legacy is mixed. part of it is because history does not. legacy is mixed. part of it is - because history does not favour people — because history does not favour people who _ because history does not favour people who have _ because history does not favour people who have lost _ because history does not favour people who have lost elections. it is not — people who have lost elections. it is notjust_ people who have lost elections. it is not just the _ people who have lost elections. it is notjust the middle - people who have lost elections. it is notjust the middle east, i it is notjust the middle east, even — it is notjust the middle east, even china. _ it is notjust the middle east, even china, it's _ it is notjust the middle east, even china, it's got _ it is notjust the middle east, even china, it's got off- it is notjust the middle east, even china, it's got off to - it is notjust the middle east, even china, it's got off to a i even china, it's got off to a very— even china, it's got off to a very rough— even china, it's got off to a very rough start _ even china, it's got off to a very rough start with - even china, it's got off to a very rough start with the i very rough start with the chinese _ very rough start with the chinese in _ very rough start with the chinese in his— very rough start with the - chinese in his administration and — chinese in his administration and it— chinese in his administration and it took— chinese in his administration and it took years _ chinese in his administration and it took years before - chinese in his administrationj and it took years before they were — and it took years before they were able _ and it took years before they were able to _ and it took years before they were able to stabilise - and it took years before they were able to stabilise that. i were able to stabilise that. who— were able to stabilise that. who knows _ were able to stabilise that. who knows if— were able to stabilise that. who knows if that - were able to stabilise that. who knows if that stabilityl
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who knows if that stability will continue _ who knows if that stability will continue longer. - who knows if that stability will continue longer. the i who knows if that stability- will continue longer. the biden administration _ will continue longer. the biden administration foreign - will continue longer. the biden administration foreign policy i administration foreign policy is also — administration foreign policy is also full _ administration foreign policy is also full of _ administration foreign policy is also full of contradictions, for example. _ is also full of contradictions, for example, he _ is also full of contradictions, for example, he called - is also full of contradictions, j for example, he called saudi arabia's— for example, he called saudi arabia's a _ for example, he called saudi arabia's a pariah _ for example, he called saudi arabia's a pariah but - for example, he called saudi arabia's a pariah but that. for example, he called saudi arabia's a pariah but that he| arabia's a pariah but that he needed _ arabia's a pariah but that he needed to— arabia's a pariah but that he needed to visit _ arabia's a pariah but that he needed to visit re—add - arabia's a pariah but that he needed to visit re—add to i arabia's a pariah but that he| needed to visit re—add to fist bump— needed to visit re—add to fist bump him _ needed to visit re—add to fist bump him he _ needed to visit re—add to fist bump him. he tried - needed to visit re—add to fist bump him. he tried to- needed to visit re—add to fist bump him. he tried to divide the world _ bump him. he tried to divide the world into _ bump him. he tried to divide the world into democracies i bump him. he tried to divide i the world into democracies and autocracies. _ the world into democracies and autocracies, but— the world into democracies and autocracies, but in— the world into democracies and autocracies, but in reality- autocracies, but in reality it's — autocracies, but in reality it's much— autocracies, but in reality it's much grayer. - autocracies, but in reality it's much grayer. iran - autocracies, but in reality- it's much grayer. iran staying in the — it's much grayer. iran staying in the middle _ it's much grayer. iran staying in the middle east _ it's much grayer. iran staying in the middle east has- it's much grayer. iran stayingj in the middle east has gotten closer— in the middle east has gotten closer to _ in the middle east has gotten closer to nuclear— in the middle east has gotten closer to nuclear bond, - in the middle east has gotten closer to nuclear bond, so . closer to nuclear bond, so there _ closer to nuclear bond, so there are _ closer to nuclear bond, so there are no _ closer to nuclear bond, so there are no big _ closer to nuclear bond, so there are no big trade - closer to nuclear bond, so i there are no big trade deals. america _ there are no big trade deals. america has— there are no big trade deals. america has become - there are no big trade deals. america has become a - there are no big trade deals. america has become a lot i there are no big trade deals. i america has become a lot more protectionist _ america has become a lot more protectionist. they— america has become a lot more protectionist. they have - america has become a lot more protectionist. they have not - protectionist. they have not had — protectionist. they have not had an— protectionist. they have not had an easy— protectionist. they have not had an easy time _ protectionist. they have not had an easy time of- protectionist. they have not had an easy time of it. - protectionist. they have not had an easy time of it. thisl had an easy time of it. this has — had an easy time of it. this has been _ had an easy time of it. this has been in _ had an easy time of it. this has been in many- had an easy time of it. this has been in many senses i had an easy time of it. this has been in many senses a| has been in many senses a lighter— has been in many senses a lighter version _ has been in many senses a lighter version of- has been in many senses a lighter version of trump's i lighter version of trump's america _ lighter version of trump's america first _ lighter version of trump's america first and - lighter version of trump's america first and we - lighter version of trump'sj america first and we have lighter version of trump's - america first and we have not talked — america first and we have not talked about _ america first and we have not talked about immigration- america first and we have not i talked about immigration which was a _ talked about immigration which was a mess. _ talked about immigration which was a mess, there _ talked about immigration which was a mess, there were - talked about immigration which was a mess, there were some. was a mess, there were some successes. _ was a mess, there were some successes, however. - was a mess, there were some successes, however. it's- was a mess, there were some successes, however. it's not i successes, however. it's not that— successes, however. it's not that there — successes, however. it's not that there were _ successes, however. it's not that there were only - successes, however. it's noti that there were only failures, but i — that there were only failures, but i think— that there were only failures, but i think when _ that there were only failures, but i think when history- but i think when history assesses— but i think when history assesses the _ but i think when history assesses the biden - but i think when history- assesses the biden presidency, ithink— assesses the biden presidency, i think a — assesses the biden presidency, i think a lot _ assesses the biden presidency, i think a lot of— assesses the biden presidency, i think a lot of it— assesses the biden presidency, i think a lot of it has— assesses the biden presidency, i think a lot of it has to - assesses the biden presidency, i think a lot of it has to do - i think a lot of it has to do with— i think a lot of it has to do with the _ i think a lot of it has to do with the fact _ i think a lot of it has to do with the fact that - i think a lot of it has to do with the fact that it - i think a lot of it has to do with the fact that it is - i think a lot of it has to do with the fact that it is now just— with the fact that it is now just in— with the fact that it is now just in interregnum - with the fact that it is now. just in interregnum between with the fact that it is now- just in interregnum between the trump _ just in interregnum between the trump years. _ just in interregnum between the trump years. one _ just in interregnum between the trump years, one of— just in interregnum between the trump years, one of your- trump years, one of your panelists _ trump years, one of your panelists said _ trump years, one of your panelists said the - trump years, one of your panelists said the wordsl panelists said the words america _ panelists said the words america is— panelists said the words america is back, - panelists said the words america is back, that. panelists said the words. america is back, that was bidens— america is back, that was biden's catchphrase -
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america is back, that was biden's catchphrase at. america is back, that wasi biden's catchphrase at the beginning. _ biden's catchphrase at the beginning, well, _ biden's catchphrase at the beginning, well, it- biden's catchphrase at the beginning, well, it is - biden's catchphrase at the beginning, well, it is not i beginning, well, it is not back _ beginning, well, it is not back this— beginning, well, it is not back. this is— beginning, well, it is not back. this is a _ beginning, well, it is not back. this is a very- beginning, well, it is not. back. this is a very different america _ back. this is a very different america that _ back. this is a very different america that we _ back. this is a very different america that we will - back. this is a very different america that we will be - america that we will be entering _ america that we will be entering next _ america that we will be entering next weekend| america that we will be - entering next weekend biden will know— entering next weekend biden will know that. _ entering next weekend biden will know that.— entering next weekend biden will know that. president biden in his remarks _ will know that. president biden in his remarks from _ will know that. president biden in his remarks from the - will know that. president biden in his remarks from the white i in his remarks from the white house earlier announcing this deal, he did say he was leaving america in a stronger position than when he took office. i think that is a matter of perspective. i think really from the moment that he bungled the afghanistan withdrawal, he really looked weak on foreign policy and it never really recovered. if you think back to that moment, 5a% of the american people wanted to withdraw troops from afghanistan, but 69% of the american people then disapproved of the way he did it. and once his poll numbers dipped at that moment they never covered —— never really recovered for the rest of his administration and that is how he appeared domestically. i think abroad, i agree that he continued a lot of the protectionist policies of the previous trump administration, just with a little more politeness and when you talk to our allies in europe, they
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definitely expressed some frustration with that.- frustration with that. that does seem _ frustration with that. that does seem to _ frustration with that. that does seem to have - frustration with that. that does seem to have been i frustration with that. that. does seem to have been with frustration with that. that does seem to have been with the american people were looking for and were in favour of. the --eole for and were in favour of. the people spoke _ for and were in favour of. the people spoke loud _ for and were in favour of. the people spoke loud and clear on election— people spoke loud and clear on election night, it was a landslide victory in president biden— landslide victory in president biden was right to take a victory— biden was right to take a victory lap. but ijust did the maths — victory lap. but ijust did the maths. we are right here, this is only— maths. we are right here, this is only releasing about a third of the — is only releasing about a third of the hostages, there is 101 hostages that we know are expected —— suspected to be alive — expected —— suspected to be alive that _ expected —— suspected to be alive that are being held by hamas _ alive that are being held by hamas. so that 68 people that are not— hamas. so that 68 people that are not going to be affected by this _ are not going to be affected by this it — are not going to be affected by this it is — are not going to be affected by this. it is going to be interesting to see what president trump continues to do after— president trump continues to do after he — president trump continues to do after he takes office to ensure that those 68 hostages are also released. joe biden have no other— released. joe biden have no other choice but to say this is a win — other choice but to say this is a win and _ other choice but to say this is a win. and frankly, it is a good _ a win. and frankly, it is a good position for him to be and when _ good position for him to be and when he — good position for him to be and when he gives his farewell tonight _ when he gives his farewell tonight. and again, i hope he gives— tonight. and again, i hope he gives some credit to the teamwork that it took to get
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this done. teamwork that it took to get this done-— teamwork that it took to get this done. what positives do ou this done. what positives do you think — this done. what positives do you think we _ this done. what positives do you think we will _ this done. what positives do you think we will hear - this done. what positives do you think we will hear from | you think we will hear from president biden when he makes this farewell address? set to happen injust a minute or two from now. he happen in “ust a minute or two from now.— from now. he will do his usual recounting _ from now. he will do his usual recounting of _ from now. he will do his usual recounting of the _ from now. he will do his usual recounting of the legislative i recounting of the legislative wins that he's had and i think in many ways, they were really significant wins. they were historic investments in the united states infrastructure which hadn't happened in over 50 years. there will be investments in manufacturing capability, investments in health care as well as the environmental policies, the challenge with some of these legislative wins is that they were not felt by the american people because it takes a long time to go build a bridge or fix a road, and i think that will be reflective of the challenges that he had during his attempt to run for president.— his attempt to run for president. his attempt to run for resident. ~ . , .,. president. we are “ust reaching the top of h president. we are “ust reaching the top of the— president. we are just reaching the top of the hour. _ president. we are just reaching the top of the hour. joe - president. we are just reaching the top of the hour. joe biden i the top of the hour. joe biden is due any moment to deliver his farewell address as he closes out his four—year term
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president biden will reflect on his legacy after more than five decades in public office with the democrat party. president biden is likely to look back on his momentous decision injuly to step aside from his presidential re—election bid. the decision which cleared the way for, kamala harris to mount her own challenge to donald trump which she lost in november. donald trump is now president elect and set to take office in a few days time on monday. we are waiting for that address to begin any moment now from the white house and we will bring that to you live as soon as joe will bring that to you live as soon asjoe biden begins speaking from the oval office. on a human level forjoe biden this is likely to be his last big formal speech after such a long career. it big formal speech after such a long career-— long career. it must be emotional. _ long career. it must be emotional. i'm - long career. it must be emotional. i'm sure i long career. it must be emotional. i'm sure it. long career. it must be i emotional. i'm sure it will long career. it must be - emotional. i'm sure it will be. it may be that some of his
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