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gaza have those held in gaza have gathered once again today to put pressure on the israeli government to approve the deal. the imf recommends that donald trump's tariffs could exacerbate trade tensions. and archaeologists in italy unearthed a huge bathhouse in pompeii, destroyed by a volcanic eruption nearly 2000 years ago. hello and welcome to today's verified live. let's return to the us where the supreme court has backed a ban on tiktok on the grounds of national security unless it's chinese owner sells off its american operation to a non—chinese buyer. it isjust operation to a non—chinese buyer. it is just a day before
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president trump's inauguration but there are growing signs that he could postpone the ban if a potential buyer can be found. speaking to cnn just a short time after the supreme court announcement was made, donald trump did not say what his actions would be but suggested there would be, the decision would be up to him. that is the quote that has come from him. let's head to washington and our north america correspondent. we will come to donald trump in a moment or two butjust tell us a little more about what those justices have decided because they ruled that it was national security that in effect trumps everything else.— security that in effect trumps everything else. yes, it was a unanimous — everything else. yes, it was a unanimous opinion _ everything else. yes, it was a unanimous opinion and - everything else. yes, it was a - unanimous opinion and remember tiktok�*s argument was that this ban would breach the us constitution's first amendment protection when it comes to free speech stop but the
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supreme court said, i willjust quite what they said. they said that there is no doubt that for more than 170 million americans tiktok offers a distinctive and expansive outlet for expression, means of engagement and community. but they go on to say that they believe that selling off tiktok essentially is necessary to address well supported national security concerns and they rejected this challenge provision, this idea that it violates free speech. and it wasn't surprised by the way that the us supreme court came out with this ruling. but you mention there that donald trump, it will now be up to him to implement this ban because joe biden is saying it is up to his ministration. but as you mention there, donald trump is saying that he will save tiktok but we are not quite sure exactly how he plans to do that. ., . ., exactly how he plans to do that. ., n ., , that. how tricky might that be aiven, that. how tricky might that be given. you _ that. how tricky might that be given, you made _ that. how tricky might that be given, you made the - that. how tricky might that be given, you made the point, i that. how tricky might that be i given, you made the point, that this initial decision was one of those issues that had real
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bipartisan support. this is not some sort of political difference between republicans and democrats. there was widespread support for this ban. ., , widespread support for this ban. . , ., , , ban. there are trump loyalists who want _ ban. there are trump loyalists who want it — ban. there are trump loyalists who want it banned _ ban. there are trump loyalists who want it banned and - ban. there are trump loyalists who want it banned and they l who want it banned and they still maintain that it should be banned. it was probably the most bipartisan law that you can get as far as washington these days is concerned. so donald trump can't really repeal the law. as we are saying, it is really hard to do that when congress has legislated in this way. the other option that he has is that he could decide not to enforce the law. he could tell his incoming attorney general don't enforce it. so for platforms like apple and google that have tiktok on the platform, it could be a case of you can have it on there, we won't penalising. but that is quite tricky because how could you not enforce a law that already exists? it would already exists? it would already deliver also require that those who own those
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platforms to take donald trump's word for it and donald trump's word for it and donald trump is mercurial, he changes his mind about a lot of things. so why would they necessarily take that risk? i think the other option really that is there is selling tiktok of the us company. that is what, essentially, the biden administration wants. but tiktok has said that it won't do that. ., «a , tiktok has said that it won't do that. . «a , . do that. thanks very much. let's hear _ do that. thanks very much. let's hear more _ do that. thanks very much. let's hear more reaction i let's hear more reaction because i have been speaking to the technology analyst stephanie herr about what this ban will mean for the social media app. ban will mean for the social media app-— media app. yeah, i would actually — media app. yeah, i would actually challenge - media app. yeah, i would actually challenge it - media app. yeah, i would| actually challenge it being media app. yeah, i would l actually challenge it being a first amendment rights issue. this is not about shutting down all social media platforms in the united states, it is about shutting down one specific one, tiktok, which happens to be owned by chinese company. so everybody still has options to express themselves everywhere else, just not particularly with this company. so that is the first thing. second, we need to remember that us social media companies are not allowed
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in china. so it is a two—way street, this argument of can you have a foreign company sustaining a social media platform in your country. china does not allow it so bite dance was already on thin ground with the argument of sustaining tiktok in united states. what happens next? now we are looking at this national security issue. president donald trump would like to find a way to protect tiktok but he is in a bit of a jam. why? the law that was signed last year before by congress and signed ijy before by congress and signed by president biden was a bipartisan law, that means it had support from both republicans and democrats. they think it is a national security risk. and now supreme court has unanimously upheld it. that means that all nine supreme courtjudges this ban and they saw the evidence that most of us are never going to be able to see because it is a national security risk. that would have been behind closed doors. they think it is a riskwhite so it is interesting because we have already been hearing and i would like to hear a little bit
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more you that the users there are possible ways around any sort of ban. are possible ways around any sort of ban-— sort of ban. but the donald trump it — sort of ban. but the donald trump it is _ sort of ban. but the donald trump it is less _ sort of ban. but the donald trump it is less clear, - sort of ban. but the donald trump it is less clear, if. sort of ban. but the donald | trump it is less clear, if you want to get around the ban, how he gets around it.— he gets around it. yeah, it depends- _ he gets around it. yeah, it depends. he _ he gets around it. yeah, it depends. he could - he gets around it. yeah, it depends. he could decide| he gets around it. yeah, it i depends. he could decide for instance that his new best friend, elon musk, could buy tiktok for instance and suddenly elon musk�*s $250 million investment in donald trump looks like a really good business deal. 0ther trump looks like a really good business deal. other options would be that users will simply go to other platforms such as youtube or linkedin or instagram. those would be the ones i think are most likely to benefit from this. there is also a very interesting phenomenon of something called tiktok refugees, we are seeing a lot of american tiktok user is going to another chinese site called red note. which is actually not an accurate translation. it is called little red book which is alarmingly close to chairman mao's red book. it is still
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highly censored, controlled site. so it is very interesting that us users seem we are very different page about the national security risk of chinese social media companies, compared to the us government. that is what donald trump is going to have to navigate. it is really interesting and we wait for any sort of reaction from donald trump and any other reaction of course from tiktok itself. in terms of a big set piece, do you think this is the prole you'd to the sort of thing that we are likely now to see over the next four years, as the new incoming administration tries to actually take on china? we heard marco rubio only in his confirmation hearing saying unless we do something and change the path we are on, in ten years's time china is going to effectively decide everything we do here in the us. ., ~ ., , ., ., us. yeah, i think was a real risk of that. _
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us. yeah, i think was a real risk of that. we _ us. yeah, i think was a real risk of that. we have i us. yeah, i think was a real risk of that. we have to i risk of that. we have to remember that the united states and china other global leaders in artificial intelligence. right now arguably the us leads but not in a way that it can become complacent, so that is on it's mine. that's why again we have seen bipartisan support under try we have seen an under biden and 0bama we have seen it. we will publish it again under truss. they are banning certain companies that will not be allowed to supply parts to chinese companies, the risk of ip theft of intellectual property theft by china stealing us intellectual property, that is still a massive risk. and trump was actually pretty strong on this, so he will see which way the wind blows on the popular reaction to this. and then we will see what he does. but again he is going up against congress and the supreme court, the two main branches of the us government beside the executive.— government beside the executive. ., , ,, executive. you see the qr code on the screen. _ executive. you see the qr code on the screen. click _ executive. you see the qr code on the screen. click onto i executive. you see the qr code on the screen. click onto that, l on the screen. click onto that, head to the bbc website where there is continuing reaction and more detail both from what
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president—elect donald trump has been saying also what those us supreme courtjustices have decided in the last hour or so. let's return to the middle east because israel's security cabinet has recommended approving the gaza ceasefire and hostage release deal agreed with hamas. it comes after meeting that lasted several hours. the full cabinet is now convening to give a final ratification to that agreement. if approved, mr netanyahu pot office has said that the release of the first hostages will go ahead on sunday as planned. some will go
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