tv Pelicot Trial BBC News January 19, 2025 11:30pm-11:59pm GMT
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hamas joined the celebrations trying to claim some kind of victory. the israelis have destroyed the offensive power hamas used to attack them 15 months ago. but the americans say hamas has nearly as many new recruits as israel has killed. after so much bloodshed, celebratory gunfire did not make janah flinch. translation: may god have mercy on the oppressed and those - who have passed and pity on us who survived. and god willing, everyone will return home. this celebration in khan yunis was filmed by a trusted palestinian cameraman working for the bbc. israel does not let international journalists enter gaza to report freely. just over the border in israel is the site of the nova music festival, where hamas killed more than 380 people on the 7th
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of october and took a0 hostage. this weekend, with the ceasefire coming, many israelis made their own pilgrimages, moving quietly around the photos and memorials to those who were killed. a short distance away is another memorial. the festivalgoers' cars, hundreds of them destroyed in the attack. israelis here said they had wanted a deal in which all the hostages were swapped for palestinian prisoners at the same time. that's because they believed the war is going to resume. they said it was unavoidable while hamas still has armed men in gaza. they want to kill us. they want to finish us. so what is the good questions? look, look, this is, this is the answer. this is what they want. can we live like this? no.
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a ceasefire, by definition, is a compromise between enemies. but since the october attacks, prime minister netanyahu has talked repeatedly about getting all the hostages back through total victory, the complete annihilation of hamas as a political and military force. but right now, that is not what the israeli people are being offered. they're worried, says israel's leading pollster, that this deal in phases over months, could break down before all the hostages are out. israelis know that things that happen in phases that are conditional upon one another are basically another way of the israeli government and the other side, hamas also, saying, we don't trust you. we're looking for, we're looking to trip you up. we're looking to accuse you of breaking the deal so that we can break the deal. it's a mutual cycle that we've seen in every other phase deal in israeli history, and particularly with israeli—palestinian relations. tonight in the west bank, palestinians are waiting
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for the release of their prisoners. 90 in exchange for the three israelis. the next swap of prisoners and hostages is due on saturday. for palestinian and israeli families, this is a night for hope and relief and some trepidation about what might lie ahead. jeremy bowen, bbc news, tel aviv. joining me now is the former deputy coordinatorfor counterterrorism at the us state department, gina abercrombie winstanley. lovely to have you with us, thank you for your time this evening. as jeremy says, we have to watch what happens over the next 42 days. it is fragile. the big question comes, i suppose, when we get to the next part. can the trump administration, new to this but having worked with the biden administration in recent weeks, can they pick up and get the
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agreement to phase two? that weeks, can they pick up and get the agreement to phase two?— agreement to phase two? that is the cuestion. agreement to phase two? that is the question. thank _ agreement to phase two? that is the question. thank you, _ agreement to phase two? that is the question. thank you, christian, - agreement to phase two? that is the question. thank you, christian, that l question. thank you, christian, that is the question. i would say that they've got a better chance of doing so than the current administration, simply because they are willing to apply pressure to both sides as is needed when a deal as fragile as this one is. neither side wants it, all of the reports of lack of trust, of simmering resentment, reasonable ones for israelis for what hamas did ones for israelis for what hamas did on october 7, and of course tens of thousands of palestinians that have been killed in the meantime. there is no trust there. and so it is going to take, certainly, the us administration but the larger international community, countries from the region that are going to be the guarantors of this cease—fire, are going to have to put pressure on
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both sides to stick to this agreement, to be honest in calling out any violations and not making something larger than it is in order for it to continue forward. because, as ou for it to continue forward. because, as you suggest. _ for it to continue forward. because, as you suggest, gina, _ for it to continue forward. because, as you suggest, gina, they - for it to continue forward. because, as you suggest, gina, they don't i as you suggest, gina, they don't have very much time to work on the detail, and when you read the agreement it is very vague on how you get to phase two. it's who will rule gaza. will israel allow hamas to have security operations on the street, even when it comes to reconstruction, before the war broke out it's really used to weigh every ounce of concrete that was going into the strip. this is a massive effort that they need to move through and yeah, they will sign executive orders here over the next week, but very quickly the trump administration will need to get on top of this detail.— administration will need to get on top of this detail. absolutely. yes. and it is going _ top of this detail. absolutely. yes. and it is going to _ top of this detail. absolutely. yes. and it is going to take _ and it is going to take pressure, notjust and it is going to take pressure, not just carrots to and it is going to take pressure, notjust carrots to keep people sticking to this great agreement. we know very clearly from the prime
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minister and certainly from his cabinet and his supporters that they don't want a humanitarian assistance to go into the gaza strip. they don't want the gaza strip to be rebuilt and they have fought against the necessary steps that would allow understands that it came from... but necessary 1plicating factor here. understands that it came from... but necessary 1plica that actor here. understands that it came from... but necessary 1plica that would |ere. understands that it came from... but necessary 1plica that would allow an entity other than hamas to take the necessary steps that would allow an entity other than hamas to take control and the gaza strip. so while control and the gaza strip. so while demanding on the one hand that hamas demanding on the one hand that hamas be completely cut out, a reasonable be completely cut out, a reasonable demand considering, but also demand considering, but also blocking the ability for someone blocking the ability for someone else to come in means there is not a else to come in means there is not a good adherence to what's going to be good adherence to what's going to be necessary to make this work. so necessary to make this work. so there's going to be have to be a lot there's going to be have to be a lot of pressure. there's no other way to of pressure. there's no other way to describe it. president elect from describe it. president elect from has put his prestige on the line —— has put his prestige on the line —— president—elect trump. everyone understands that it came from... president—elect trump. everyone understands that it came from... but... the complicating factor here. but... the complicating factor here.
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give the government going to get this deal done. —— ben gvir. that is been a long—standing position in the majority want these hostages home. we will see whether they are able to stick to it to get there people out. so there's going to be some furious politicking naturally in israel, but on this side, ijust wonder in the previous role you had, how important will the israeli lobby be in that and how much is donald trump because my ear fix to that? it’s and how much is donald trump because my ear fix to that?— my ear fix to that? it's going to be im ortant my ear fix to that? it's going to be important because _ my ear fix to that? it's going to be important because that's - my ear fix to that? it's going to be important because that's the - important because that's the explanation of the deal, the advocacy for the deal. and many organisations here in the united states, i listened in on some holes, are saying that this is a deal that is necessary, that this is a deal thatis is necessary, that this is a deal that is important for israel and important for getting those hostages out. there is been general support
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for this deal. i think the conductivity between many that president—elect trump is bringing into the administration as well as his own clear support for the state of israel will be sufficient to keep people on the side the weight he would need them to be to keep support for the pressure that's going to be needed to keep the deal going. this is something that is going. this is something that is going to be watched. you cannot underestimate his ability to persuade people, together support. he's made a lot of promises across the board but this is an important one and he has said he doesn't want more. so i believe there will be a very close eye by the incoming administration on both parties to stick to this deal.— administration on both parties to stick to this deal. before i let you i o, stick to this deal. before i let you no, gina, stick to this deal. before i let you go. gina. just _ stick to this deal. before i let you go, gina, just thinking _ stick to this deal. before i let you go, gina, just thinking back- stick to this deal. before i let you go, gina, just thinking back to . go, gina, just thinking back to the speech we heard from donald trump. he talked about the woke nonsense in
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the military as he put it, executive orders tomorrow which will include stripping out der from federal government, diversity, inclusion and equity. if my recollection was correct, you are the former officer for diversity and inclusion up until 2023. how do you see all this? you know, 2023. how do you see all this? you know. there's _ 2023. how do you see all this? you know. there's a _ 2023. how do you see all this? you know, there's a lot _ 2023. how do you see all this? 7m, know, there's a lot of concern, a lot of worry because so many people have misunderstood the purpose of di, one, for accessibility as well, which is to level the playing field. it's at we won't have favourites based on a demographic group or etc. levelling the playing field professionally. i like to remind people that di aid work began under the trump administration. that is a fact. and that people want to work for organisations that they trust or that value their contributions regardless of what they look like or their background and that's what it's about. and people want that
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work to be done. they want to belong to that sort of organisation. and so it may not have the same initials but the work will continue.- but the work will continue. gina, aood to but the work will continue. gina, good to talk _ but the work will continue. gina, good to talk to _ but the work will continue. gina, good to talk to you _ but the work will continue. gina, good to talk to you tonight, - but the work will continue. gina, l good to talk to you tonight, thank you very much for coming on the programme. mo; you very much for coming on the programme-— part of the process ahead will be negotiating a plan to rebuild gaza. for now, displaced palestinians have began to return to the homes from where they fled. fergal keane reports now on the future for the people of gaza. from every face... ..the war stares back. is it really over, many wonder? all they've lost... ..all they've endured. cheering. but relief after the ceasefire. civil defence workers no longer fearing israeli attack — over 90 of their colleagues were killed. hatem al atar, 2a years old, spent months searching
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for the wounded and the dead. checking for israeli snipers before going on. not knowing if he'll survive the day. hatem often led the way, into moments that could change everything. hatem! his friends rushed to help. hatem survived, to live in hope. translation: with the ceasefire deal, i will pursue my university l study, once universities are back to business. i'm single, but i will think about getting married. gunfire. establishing security is a first priority. a major aid operation is planned. the need is desperate.
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car horn beeps. this was a jordanian convoy, being unloaded soon after the ceasefire. two million people are displaced. the bbc followed professorjumah abu shiha as he returned home for the first time. translation: i built this house block by block. - i painted it and worked on it. i came back and it's not a house any more. i can't find a house. i can only see destruction. gaza is full of traumatised child survivors like ammar al—hindi. last october, the bbc filmed him after an israeli strike hit his home. "you're strong, darling", the nurse tells him. "where's sharif?"
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he asked about his brother. "he's ok", the nurse responds. but sharif and the rest of ammar�*s family were already dead. now he's living with his grandparents and talks about following the dream of another dead brother. so much has been taken that will never come back. the living wonder if they will ever the living wonder if they will ever see the end of war. see the end of war. fergal keane, bbc news, fergal keane, bbc news, on the israel—gaza border. on the israel—gaza border.
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some breaking news to bring you — some breaking news to bring you — israeli authorities say 90 israeli authorities say 90 so much suffering among families on so much suffering among families on both sides of this conflict. both sides of this conflict. some breaking news to bring you — some breaking news to bring you — israeli authorities say 90 israeli authorities say 90 palestinians have been released palestinians have been released from ofer prison in the occupied from ofer prison in the occupied west bank under the gaza west bank under the gaza ceasefire deal with hamas. ceasefire deal with hamas. we are told that 30 prisoners will we are told that 30 prisoners will be released for each hostage that be released for each hostage that hamas returns. hamas returns. two buses with tinted windows two buses with tinted windows were seen leaving the facility. were seen leaving the facility. earlier there were reports that earlier there were reports that israeli forces fired tear israeli forces fired tear gas at crowds waiting gas at crowds waiting outside the prison. outside the prison. families of those detained had families of those detained had packed into a town square close by, packed into a town square close by, and on a nearby hill. and on a nearby hill. nearly 2,000 palestinians are due nearly 2,000 palestinians are due to be freed in the first to be freed in the first stage of the ceasefire. stage of the ceasefire.
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mr trump is already celebrating his own return to power. the ultimate political showman, he laid on his own fireworks display last night. you guys do me a favour. just stay on that side. washington is braced and ready. trump's troops have travelled from right across america. but this time around does not feel like a hostile invasion. donald trump won a convincing election victory. america wants him to take decisive action on border security and the economy. close the border and lower the taxes. i need my groceries to lower. i need my utilities to lower back down. i can't, gas is high. i'm hoping he lowers it back down so middle class can live. you look quite moved by the idea of seeing donald trump. my grandfather was a big trump supporter. unfortunately, he's not with us any more. um, so i'm basically here for him.
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thank you. in 2017, mr trump insisted, despite all evidence to the contrary, that he attracted larger crowds than barack obama had. no such dispute will be possible this year. a last minute rapid reset has been required, as freezing weather has forced the inauguration ceremony to move inside the capitol. it's been a0 years since frigid temperatures meant ronald reagan had to take his second oath of office indoors. i, donald john trump... eight years ago, donald trump shocked the country with his unexpected victory and his unorthodox inaugural speech. this american carnage stops right here and stops right now. - now that he has pulled off what is surely the greatest us political comeback, he's no longer the renegade outsider. he has a mandate to enact a radical programme of change in america
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and he plans to use it from day one. are north america editor sarah smith are north america editor sarah smith reporting there. just before we went reporting there. just before we went to her report i told you we had news to her report i told you we had news of the 90 palestinian prisoners who of the 90 palestinian prisoners who would be released from a prison in would be released from a prison in the west bank, i can show you some the west bank, i can show you some pictures i'm looking at here. we can pictures i'm looking at here. we can show you those prisoners returning show you those prisoners returning at being freed. there are huge at being freed. there are huge crowds out in celebration tonight in crowds out in celebration tonight in ramallah. these are the first ramallah. these are the first prisoners being released since prisoners being released since november last year. well, obviously, november last year. well, obviously, nearly 300 days ago when those first nearly 300 days ago when those first releases happened, at that point of releases happened, at that point of course we thought that this would be course we thought that this would be the first steps towards a peace the first steps towards a peace group agreement but over 400 days group agreement but over 400 days
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of the platform and spoke about it in his speech earlier tonight. joining me live is saurabh vishnubhakat — a professor at cardozo school of law. thank you forjoining us, what did you make of donald trump's comments on tiktok tonight? he seemed to be suggesting that they will have to divest half of it to an american investor. would that get around the law as it stands at the moment? i think it's possible, certainly, that it would be enough to no longer be considered a foreign adversary controlled application, just in the language of the law, that's really causing them so much consternation here. whether it's the government itself of the united states or us based investor who would own it,
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that would be enough to satisfy it, those are legal details remain to unfold. but i think the main point here is that it's ultimately incoming president trump himself who will decide whether the law has been satisfied. that's where a great deal of focus will be as time goes on. well, that's interesting because obviously it is legislation passed by congress and congress will have a say in it, we've had some strong words from tom cotton today saying there shouldn't be any reprieve and there shouldn't be any reprieve and the law should stand. would you imagine that there will have to be a change in the law in order to facilitate what donald trump wants? so i think it's possible that a change in the law is the end game that mr trump is seeking, but is not clear to me that at least as an interim matter that is necessary for the trump administration once it is in office to move it the pace that congress requires them to or would
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like them too. because for one thing, there is the law standing principle of enforcement discretion in us law, the executive branch has many enforcement obligations and in general it can choose which ones to prioritise. so making this a low priority simply by directing his justice department to, not to stand on completely but to take a little more time is something that mr trump would be perfectly within his powers to do. and then the question becomes whether that additional time is to enable some sort of additional on monday still in the north—east of scotlar some 5 on monday still in the north—east of scotlar some sort of additional legislation to fill the gap. we've enable some sort of additional heard from _ legislation to fill the gap. we've heard from donald _ legislation to fill the gap. we've heard from donald trump. - legislation to fill the gap. we've heard from donald trump. we l legislation to fill the gap. we've . heard from donald trump. we have legislation to fill the gap. we've - heard from donald trump. we have not heard from donald trump. we have not heard from donald trump. we have not heard from the chinese side of this debate. the vice president is here for the inauguration tomorrow, the ceo, chinese ceo of tiktok has legislation cloudy spoken warmly about donald trump, but bytedance the chinese company that owns the app, have signalled before today that they do not want to sell the company. they don't want
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to sell the company. they don't want to divest half of it. so that's all she really still in the balance. i think that's right. the option to grant a 90 day extension as mentioned earlier, that's to certify to congress that a sale of tiktok is credibly under way. that's within the existing tiktok laws in language already. that of mr trump wants to take that approach there would need to be something showing that a sale was under way, binding legal agreements are in place and that sort of thing. but to operate within the framework of the law and that way would requires some showing from tiktok and from bytedance. if that's not forthcoming and mr trump still wants some ability to his powers to postpone the law or suspend enforcement temporarily of the law, then he's going to have to step outside the parameters of the law as currently written and rely on things like enforcement discretion and executive orders and that sort of
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thing. executive orders and that sort of thin. ., , ,., executive orders and that sort of thin. ., �*, ., thing. 0k. professor, it's good to talk to you. _ thing. 0k. professor, it's good to talk to you, thank _ thing. 0k. professor, it's good to talk to you, thank you _ thing. 0k. professor, it's good to talk to you, thank you for - thing. 0k. professor, it's good to talk to you, thank you for your i talk to you, thank you for your expertise on that tonight. a lot to consider when it comes to tiktok but hopefully we'll get some more detail on that over the next 24 hours. it's been an eventful night here in washington. we've heard from donald trump on stage at the capitol one arita, his heading tonight to a candlelit dinner, the pre—inauguration dinner, so we'll keep an eye on that. and we will bring that to you when we see it. you're watching bbc news. hello. most eyes may be on the us for the presidential temperatures in lincolnshire, up to about 11 degrees. the split remains as we go through into the start of sunday. mildest conditions in the
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west, coverage is close to freezing in many areas where the about the cloud or not. a bit more cloudy compared with saturday, northern parts of scotland, northern ireland and a few brighter breaks out toward the west of england and wales possible. temperatures not going to recover a huge amount through the day, except that is in the west, 6-10 day, except that is in the west, 6—10 here, will see the cloud they can up later. outbreaks of rain into the evening, patchy light rain or drizzle towards the south—west as well, that edge is further eastward as we go through sunday night and into monday morning. to the east of it again, chance of some frost around as we start a brand—new week. but it will be another fairly cloudy start for many on monday. greater but it will be another fairly cloudy start for many on monday. greater chance of rain across parts of the chance of rain across parts of the west that may even fall is a bit of west that may even fall is a bit of sleet or snow over the higher sleet or snow over the higher ground, not a ground, not a sleet or snow over the higher ground, nota huge sleet or snow over the higher ground, not a huge amount around, sleet or snow over the higher ground, nota huge sleet or snow over the higher ground, not a huge amount around, many places to the south and east many places to the south and east just about dry, best of the sunshine just about dry, best of the sunshine on monday still in the north—east of on monday still in the north—east of
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scotland. one scotland. one thing on monday though, temperatures will start to lift just a little though, temperatures will start to liftjust a little bit compared with what we've seen to the weekend. into tuesday, we've still got a fair bit of cloud, may be a few brighter breaks as we start to pick up the breeze, but the cloud if enough for the eight weak weather front struggling central areas, ran around the coast, may be a little bit of sleet or snow along the penitents. and then through wednesday and thursday then through wednesday and thursday the cloud amounts will generally dominate. to the south now, it's to the south where we could actually see some longer spells of rain push in linked into this weather
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a very good evening and welcome to washington. president trump has been speaking in washington the day before his inauguration. let's take a listen to what he head to say. actually, i don't think we have that audio at the moment. we will bring it to you a little later in the programme. today, the long—awaited ceasefire in gaza has come into force. dsplaced palestinians are returning to homes that israel forced them to flee, while the first three hostages have returned to israel, after 15 months held captive by hamas. the released hostages have been confirmed as 31—year—old doron steinbrecher, dual british—israeli emily damari, 28, and 24—year—old romi gonen. in exchange, 90 palestinians have just been released from prisons in the israeli—occupied west bank. our international editor jeremy bowen takes us through all today's developments as, after 15 months of war,
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