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a �*golden age�* for america. we've also seen a flurry of executive orders — everything from deportations, to climate, to pardons for those convicted for the january the 6th attacks. we're going to spend the next half hour trying to unpack the tidal wave of policy changes — what he's promised — what is do—able — what the implications are likely to be, notjust for the us, but around the world. catriona perry is in washington to take us through it — and to answer some of the questions you've sent in to the bbc. also with me — is our security correspondent frank gardener, and our environment correspondent matt mcgrath. later, james landale, our diplomatic correspondent, willjoin us — so too will dharshini david, our chief economics correspondent. so, let's get cracking. the january the 6th rioters — how many and who has he pardoned? and how will it work? following
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the executive _ and how will it work? following the executive order— and how will it work? following the executive order signed - and how will it work? following the executive order signed by i the executive order signed by donald trump yesterday, that all of those involved in the january sect attack on capitol hill will be pardoned, and we heard this morning some further 300 whose cases had not yet reached the courts, those files will be thrown out essentially, but you have more than 1500, just shy of 1600 individuals who will be pardoned. some of those were convicted of very serious crimes, seditious conspiracy, facing 18, 20, 22 years in prison, and others were facing lesser crimes who were facing lesser crimes who were further from the actual capitol hill building on the day. so a big range but all of them have now been pardoned by donald trump. he had signalled this in advance, that this was something he was going to do but there was ambiguity as to whether it would be every single individual or he would stop short. the vice president
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jd vance said some did not deserve to be pardoned and so did other republican members of congress but we know now they are all to be pardoned. the reaction is starting to come through in washington, dc, many people are unhappy but saying that donald trump is the president and this is his prerogative. some of the police officers who were there on that day on the 6th of january saying it feels like a slap in the face and one individual said he got home from work after spending 1a hours working on capitol hill to make sure that donald trump's inauguration was safe and secure but he got home to this news and he said he felt devastated. it is a story that will play out over the coming days. will play out over the coming da 5. .,, will play out over the coming da 5. _, . will play out over the coming das. . ., days. those connected to the administration _ days. those connected to the administration have - days. those connected to the administration have tweeted | administration have tweeted that people should take the executive order to prisons and demand their loved one is released immediately, no delays at all, so it will be
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interesting what happens in the next few hours. to another huge area now, immigration and the borders. if you listen to any of donald trump's supporters, thatis of donald trump's supporters, that is what they want sorted, so what has he announced and how we do actually work? he did several things _ how we do actually work? he did several things relating _ how we do actually work? he did several things relating to - several things relating to immigration but the biggest was declaring a national emergency along the border and that frees up along the border and that frees up federalfunding to be directed there because right across the political divide there is agreement that there is not enough money directed towards some of these measures, and morejudges are needed and more basic processing is needed and better security and so on, there is support for that. declaring a national emergency means funding is freed up and it also means the us military can be deployed to secure and pleased the border, so that is very significant because the us
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military is generally not deployed on us soil —— and police the border. that is a significant departure and is causing a lot of debate this morning. also what we saw taking place immediately yesterday, 10,000 people who had immigration appointments to have their cases heard and be processed in the coming days, they were cancelled. there is an app the us government had for those coming from south and central america, the border patrol app, central america, the border patrolapp, but central america, the border patrol app, but that was shut down and cancelled it so we are starting to see these measures taking effect pretty immediately. it taking effect pretty immediately. taking effect pretty immediatel . ., . , immediately. it also includes children born _ immediately. it also includes children born in _ immediately. it also includes children born in the - immediately. it also includes children born in the us. - immediately. it also includes children born in the us. in i children born in the us. in terms of the constitution, they automatically become american citizens, so how is that going to work and are they expecting major legal challenges? economically we are talking about 10 million people, if all of those who are there illegally are deported, how
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does that work economically? the birthright citizenship relates to the constitution so evenif relates to the constitution so even if your parent is illegal, you would get citizenship, but that has been done away with, but already one legal case has been brought challenging that and i think we will see many more challenging that because it is in the constitution. in terms of how it will impact economically, massively is the answer, we saw that across the election campaign, where people said on the one hand we need immigration reform in this country, we need legal pathways for people who want to work in the country and contribute and pay taxes, and we don't want people who are coming here with nefarious intentions and the drug smuggling gangs, the people smuggling gangs, but in many states, they need immigrants to do the jobs that americans do not want to do, picking fruit, caring for animals, lower—level
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hospitality, and so immigrants are needed in this country, so it it could have a potentially devastating impact on the economy. devastating impact on the economy-— devastating impact on the econom. ., , ., , economy. some other questions and policy _ economy. some other questions and policy areas _ economy. some other questions and policy areas of _ economy. some other questions and policy areas of course - and policy areas of course let's talk about climate. let's speak to environment correspondent matt mcgrath. withdrawing again from the paris climate agreement, so when is that going to happen and what is the reaction? sense of de'a and what is the reaction? sense of deja vu _ and what is the reaction? sense of deja vu all— and what is the reaction? sense of deja vu all over _ and what is the reaction? sense of deja vu all over again, - and what is the reaction? sense of deja vu all over again, in - of deja vu all over again, in 2017 — of deja vu all over again, in 2017 donald trump first set out to take — 2017 donald trump first set out to take the us out of the paris climate — to take the us out of the paris climate agreement and he had to serve _ climate agreement and he had to serve a _ climate agreement and he had to serve a three—year cooling off period. — serve a three—year cooling off period. so_ serve a three—year cooling off period, so he was only able to leave — period, so he was only able to leave the _ period, so he was only able to leave the agreement at the end of his_ leave the agreement at the end of his presidency. he does not have _ of his presidency. he does not have to — of his presidency. he does not have to suffer that this time and — have to suffer that this time and he _ have to suffer that this time and he can leave in 12 months' time _ and he can leave in 12 months' time and — and he can leave in 12 months' time and giving the notice yesterday. reaction around the world _ yesterday. reaction around the wortd has— yesterday. reaction around the world has been pretty muted because _ world has been pretty muted because this has been expected and we — because this has been expected and we have seen some reaction from _ and we have seen some reaction
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from china, _ and we have seen some reaction from china, chinese spokesperson saying they were studying this i'm concerned about— studying this i'm concerned about it _ studying this i'm concerned about it but that beijing would continue — about it but that beijing would continue the fight against climate change. you when it said — climate change. you when it said their— climate change. you when it said their door was always open and if_ said their door was always open and if a — said their door was always open and if a future us president wanted _ and if a future us president wanted to come back into the paris — wanted to come back into the paris agreement that they would welcome — paris agreement that they would welcome that. he paris agreement that they would welcome that.— welcome that. he wants more fossil fuels. — welcome that. he wants more fossilfuels, drill— welcome that. he wants more fossil fuels, drill baby - welcome that. he wants more fossilfuels, drill baby drill, i fossil fuels, drill baby drill, that was the quote he used yesterday, and ending the green new deal. he yesterday, and ending the green new deal. . ., ., new deal. he declared a national _ new deal. he declared a national energy - new deal. he declared a i national energy emergency new deal. he declared a - national energy emergency and put out — national energy emergency and put out the idea we would be digging — put out the idea we would be digging the liquid gold under our feet to free up the us from energy— our feet to free up the us from energy constraints, but the us is one — energy constraints, but the us is one of— energy constraints, but the us is one of the leading exporters of oil— is one of the leading exporters of oil and _ is one of the leading exporters of oil and gas at the moment and has _ of oil and gas at the moment and has become that over the last eight— and has become that over the last eight years with biden and trump — last eight years with biden and trump in — last eight years with biden and trump in office and the green new— trump in office and the green new deat— trump in office and the green new deal has set up may be jobs. — new deal has set up may be jobs. att— new deal has set up may be jobs, all those people employed in renewable energy, and president trump was clear he
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wanted — president trump was clear he wanted to pause new wind teases, _ wanted to pause new wind leases, so no more wind turbines. _ leases, so no more wind turbines, and also the electric vehicles, _ turbines, and also the electric vehicles, he was upset that electric— vehicles, he was upset that electric vehicles get primacy and he — electric vehicles get primacy and he wants to stop that if you — and he wants to stop that if you can _ and he wants to stop that if you can-— and he wants to stop that if ou can. . ., ., , you can. thanks for “oining us. now to wart you can. thanks for “oining us. now to war and i you can. thanks forjoining us. now to war and conflict. i with me is frank gardner. donald trump described himself as the man to end war, and we had the middle east conflict with the ceasefire and he was not very hopeful of that being extended in the war being ended but ukraine obviously is going to be absolutely front and centre. �* , , centre. let's begin with ukraine _ centre. let's begin with ukraine because - centre. let's begin with ukraine because that i centre. let's begin with ukraine because that is| centre. let's begin with i ukraine because that is the enduring one that has gone on since 2022 and he had said in the past he was able to end that in the first 24—hour was in office, and obviously that is not going to happen, it will take months, probably, and the
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problem is that whatever plan he is designated a former general comes up with, to resolve this, there is no getting away from the fact that the two sides are very far apart in what they will accept, ukraine has drawn down on its expectations of being able to push back the russian invasion, and they are very unlikely to be able to retake any significant amount of the 20% of land that russia holds of ukraine. but they will not win this war and there is a serious risk for ukraine that president trump this time is simply going to pull the plug on weapons supplies. he to pull the plug on weapons su lies. to pull the plug on weapons suoplies-— supplies. he said in the campaign _ supplies. he said in the campaign he _ supplies. he said in the campaign he could i supplies. he said in the campaign he could end | supplies. he said in the i campaign he could end the supplies. he said in the - campaign he could end the war inside a day, so how quickly is this going to happen, how quickly do you anticipate it happening?— quickly do you anticipate it haueninu? ., «g ., ., happening? not quickly at all. there are _ happening? not quickly at all. there are deep _ happening? not quickly at all. there are deep problems, i happening? not quickly at all. j there are deep problems, and president vladimir putin thinks he is winning and he is on the
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ground but it is still very slow, he still has not given up his maximalist aims of pulling ukraine back into the orbit of moscow, ukraine has not given up moscow, ukraine has not given up on the of in some way guaranteeing its security either with membership of nato or the presence of foreign troops and a lot has got to be thrashed out. they will park that one and come to the middle east, and to some extent people will be giving donald trump a fair degree of credit for strong—arming israel's by minister netanyahu into a deal that was deeply unpalatable for many israelis —— prime minister. hamas clearly, some of them have survived, they have not been destroyed, they have not been destroyed, they have been depleted, but look at the scenes where they were, these barely camouflaged facemask hamas fighters, they are escorting those three are escor
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