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tv   The Context  BBC News  January 21, 2025 8:00pm-8:30pm GMT

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hello, this is the context on bbc news with me, christian fraser, and sumi somaskanda. my my from washington. president trump has made it very clear that everything we do. doesn't make us stronger,
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doesn't make us safer, doesn't make it more prosperous? if it doesn't do one of those three
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meeting with the house speaker mikejohnson, and the new senate leaderjohn thune. expected to. let's be clear, it is one thing signing bits of paper for the cameras, getting for the cameras, getting near unanimity from the wafer near unanimity from the wafer thin majority republicans thin majority republicans have in the house — have in the house — another challenge altogether. another challenge altogether. indeed so. indeed so. they are hoping to hammer out they are hoping to hammer out the details here on how exactly the details here on how exactly they're expected to they're expected to accomplish this ambitious legislative agenda. accomplish this ambitious legislative agenda. shock and awe on monday, shock and awe on monday, but the question now is how do but the question now is how do you pay for all that, you pay for all that, and in what order? and in what order? donald trump is in favour "one of donald trump is in favour "one big, beautiful bill", big, beautiful bill", that would include all his that would include all his spending plans for the border, spending plans for the border, for his tax cuts, for his tax cuts, for the debt ceiling, for the debt ceiling, and much, much more besides. and much, much more besides. let's bring in gary o'donoghue. let's bring in gary o'donoghue.
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good to see you. did we get a good to see you. did we get a sense from donald trump on how sense from donald trump on how they plan to pursue that they plan to pursue that agenda?— agenda?— they plan to pursue that they plan to pursue that aaenda? ~ ,�* , aaenda? ~ ,�* , agenda? well, they're very different — agenda? well, they're very different — agenda? well, they're very different -- _ agenda? well, they're very different -- there - agenda? well, they're very different -- there are - different —— there are various agenda? well, they're very different -- _ agenda? well, they're very different -- there - agenda? well, they're very different -- there are - different —— there are various different —— there are various different types of agendas. different —— there are various different types of agendas. some of it is intentional. some some of it is intentional. some of this stuff and he can do absolutely, like withdrawing from the who and the paris climate agreement. some of the self like we expected in the next hour, some sort of infrastructure amount meant. that became running joke in the first don't trump administration. joe biden passed a bill that was $1 trillion worth of spending. but they haven't spent all the money that was earmarked for that. there's money in the pot that. there's money in the pot that they could start using straight away redirecting to the kind of things they want to
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use. they may be able to do some of that pretty quickly. but in terms of getting a massive bill through that includes tax cuts, that includes tax cuts, that includes border stuff, that omnibus type bill — that is something that republicans in the house are very wary of and they're very narrow majority. fewer than fingers on one hand. any kind of bill, particularly that would increase the deficit, which still some republicans are really worried about. , ., republicans are really worried about. , ,, .,~ about. gary, as were speaking, we are looking _ about. gary, as were speaking, we are looking at _ about. gary, as were speaking, we are looking at pictures - about. gary, as were speaking, we are looking at pictures of. we are looking at pictures of the state department —— as we're. marco rubio delivered remarks a little bit earlier in the day to those who work at the day to those who work at the state department. what do you think of had —— what he had to say and whether his vision align with donald trump's? it’s
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align with donald trump's? it's very much _ align with donald trump's? it�*s very much foreign policy, but this whole thing, make a stronger. we know there's some moratorium. will they look at it all, doesn't include things like that.
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right of his parties to say no. i think so and i think it's a decision— i think so and i think it's a decision that _ i think so and i think it's a decision that speaker- decision that speakerjohnson has to— decision that speakerjohnson has to make _ decision that speakerjohnson has to make. i— decision that speakerjohnson has to make. i think- decision that speakerjohnson has to make. i think we - decision that speakerjohnson has to make. i think we heardj has to make. i think we heard president _ has to make. i think we heard president trump _ has to make. i think we heard president trump say - has to make. i think we heard president trump say he - has to make. i think we heardj president trump say he wants one beautiful, _ president trump say he wants one beautiful, big _ president trump say he wants one beautiful, big bill. - one beautiful, big bill. republicans _ one beautiful, big bill. republicans better- one beautiful, big bill. . republicans better come together _ republicans better come together because - republicans better come together because it - republicans better come together because it is. republicans better come . together because it is their 'ob together because it is their job to _ together because it is their job to work— together because it is their job to work with _ together because it is their job to work with presidentl job to work with president trumn _ job to work with president trump. it's_ job to work with president trump. it's his _ job to work with president trump. it's his agenda - job to work with president trump. it's his agenda forj trump. it's his agenda for america _ trump. it's his agenda for america first _ trump. it's his agenda for america first and - trump. it's his agenda for america first and move i trump. it's his agenda for america first and move it| america first and move it forward _ america first and move it forward. this _ america first and move it forward. this notion- america first and move it forward. this notion of. america first and move it. forward. this notion of i'm going _ forward. this notion of i'm going to _ forward. this notion of i'm going to need _ forward. this notion of i'm going to need a _ forward. this notion of i'm going to need a lifeboat. forward. this notion of i'm going to need a lifeboat — i going to need a lifeboat — that's_ going to need a lifeboat — that's not— going to need a lifeboat — that's not going _ going to need a lifeboat — that's not going to - going to need a lifeboat — i that's not going to happen.
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that's_ that's not going to happen. that's the _ that's not going to happen. that's the point, _ that's not going to happen. that's the point, i- that's not going to happen. that's the point, i wonder. that's not going to happen. | that's the point, i wonder if he will play the role that nancy pelosi sort of played. i can't imagine there'll be a whole lot of the factors that would dare to from what donald trump wants blue he can't afford to lose more than one because right now, the house is 218-215. that because right now, the house is 218—215. that means basically one can defect and they would still be — one can defect and they would still be able to have a majority. this goes to the question, what's in this package. we will move it to the senate — package. we will move it to the senate and get 51 centres. a few years ago, he had about 35 or so_ few years ago, he had about 35 or so house majority months republicans. it's really tight
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margin— republicans. it's really tight margin and democrats will point out all of— margin and democrats will point out all of the problems with these — out all of the problems with these bills stripping away medicare, stripping away workers' rights, stripping away economic— workers' rights, stripping away economic opportunities. one thing that — economic opportunities. one thing that ronald _ economic opportunities. que: thing that ronald reagan always realise was if you wanted to get the thing through, you promised the voters. you need to compromise with congress and you need to work with your allies. he is almost trying to do a lot of this by executive order. it might backfire. for instance, when he talks about tax cuts, cost $2 trillion. resident trump is not a politician _ resident trump is not a politician. he _ resident trump is not a politician. he was - resident trump is not a politician. he was therej resident trump is not a i politician. he was there for four— politician. he was there for four years _ politician. he was there for four years as _ politician. he was there for four years as president, i politician. he was there fori four years as president, but that— four years as president, but that wont— four years as president, but that won't change _ four years as president, but that won't change who - four years as president, but that won't change who he . four years as president, buti that won't change who he is. four years as president, but - that won't change who he is. he is a business _ that won't change who he is. he is a business guy, _ that won't change who he is. he is a business guy, he _ that won't change who he is. he is a business guy, he is- that won't change who he is. he is a business guy, he is very, i is a business guy, he is very, very— is a business guy, he is very, very sharp _ is a business guy, he is very, very sharp when _ is a business guy, he is very, very sharp when it _ is a business guy, he is very, very sharp when it gets - is a business guy, he is very, very sharp when it gets to . very sharp when it gets to this is what — very sharp when it gets to this is what he _ very sharp when it gets to this is what he wants. _ very sharp when it gets to this is what he wants. this - very sharp when it gets to this is what he wants. this is- very sharp when it gets to this is what he wants. this is a - very sharp when it gets to this| is what he wants. this is a new president— is what he wants. this is a new president donald _ is what he wants. this is a new president donald j _ is what he wants. this is a new president donald] trump. - is what he wants. this is a newl president donald] trump. eight years— president donald] trump. eight years ago. — president donald] trump. eight years ago. we _
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president donald] trump. eight years ago, we were _ president donald] trump. eight years ago, we were talking - president donald] trump. eight years ago, we were talking as l years ago, we were talking as ]oel years ago, we were talking as joet stated _ years ago, we were talking as ]oel stated what— years ago, we were talking as ]oel stated what we _ years ago, we were talking as ]oel stated what we needed. i ]oel stated what we needed. this— ]oel stated what we needed. this president _ ]oel stated what we needed. this president knows - ]oel stated what we needed. this president knows what . ]oel stated what we needed. | this president knows what he needs— this president knows what he needs now _ this president knows what he needs now. he _ this president knows what he needs now. he knows - this president knows what he needs now. he knows how. this president knows what he i needs now. he knows how he's going _ needs now. he knows how he's going to — needs now. he knows how he's going to saw _ needs now. he knows how he's going to saw he's _ needs now. he knows how he's going to say. he's going - needs now. he knows how he's going to say. he's going to - needs now. he knows how he's going to say. he's going to get| going to say. he's going to get out _ going to say. he's going to get out look— going to say. he's going to get out. look what _ going to say. he's going to get out. look what he _ going to say. he's going to get out. look what he did - going to say. he's going to getl out. look what he did yesterday - he _ out. look what he did yesterday - hejust— out. look what he did yesterday - hejust came— out. look what he did yesterday — he just came in— out. look what he did yesterday — he just came in with _ out. look what he did yesterday — he just came in with a - — he just came in with a vengeance _ — he just came in with a vengeance. that's- — he just came in with a vengeance. that's the l — he just came in with a - vengeance. that's the vision 's side _ vengeance. that's the vision 's side -- — vengeance. that's the vision 's side —— business— vengeance. that's the vision 's side —— business side. - vengeance. that's the vision 's side —— business side. but- vengeance. that's the vision 's side -- business side.- he side -- business side. but can he aet side -- business side. but can he get republicans... - side -- business side. but can he get republicans... on - side -- business side. but can he get republicans... on the. he get republicans... on the business side, it's not very popular. business side, it's not very pewter-— popular. there are a lot of thins popular. there are a lot of things that _ popular. there are a lot of things that republicans i things that republicans are going — things that republicans are going to _ things that republicans are going to have _ things that republicans are going to have to _ things that republicans are going to have to do. - things that republicans are - going to have to do. americans gave _ going to have to do. americans gave them _ going to have to do. americans gave them the _ going to have to do. americans gave them the house, - going to have to do. americans gave them the house, the - going to have to do. americans i gave them the house, the senate and the _ gave them the house, the senate and the presidency. _ gave them the house, the senate and the presidency. you - gave them the house, the senate and the presidency. you don't- and the presidency. you don't have — and the presidency. you don't have it — and the presidency. you don't have it for— and the presidency. you don't have it for long _ and the presidency. you don't have it for long if— and the presidency. you don't have it for long if you - and the presidency. you don't have it for long if you don't i have it for long if you don't do what _ have it for long if you don't do what the _ have it for long if you don't do what the american - have it for long if you don't . do what the american people sent— do what the american people sent you _ do what the american people sent you what _ do what the american people sent you what you _ do what the american people sent you what you were - do what the american people sent you what you were to i do what the american peoplel sent you what you were to do. i've sent you what you were to do. i've been— sent you what you were to do. i've been in— sent you what you were to do. i've been in legislation - sent you what you were to do. i've been in legislation beforel i've been in legislation before and they— i've been in legislation before and they or— i've been in legislation before and they or value. _ i've been in legislation before and they or value. i _ and they or value. i believe this— and they or value. i believe this is— and they or value. i believe this is different _ and they or value. i believe this is different because - this is different because everything _ this is different because everything is _ this is different because everything is online. - this is different because everything is online. ——| this is different because - everything is online. —— they corrai~ — everything is online. -- they corral. ~ ., everything is online. -- they corral. ~ . , corral. what struck me last ni . ht corral. what struck me last night watching _ corral. what struck me last night watching this - corral. what struck me last. night watching this impromptu press conference at the white house — in fact, i ran out of
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paper, there were headlines for a month! it did strike me from a month! it did strike me from a correspondent�*s perspective, here you have a president dealing directly with the media which they've not had.- which they've not had. donald trump loves _ which they've not had. donald trump loves the _ which they've not had. donald trump loves the camera. - which they've not had. donald trump loves the camera. he's good — trump loves the camera. he's good at — trump loves the camera. he's good at the camera, he loves to talk incessantly. i think one challenge they will have in this— challenge they will have in this administration is keeping them — this administration is keeping them on _ this administration is keeping them on message. if you corral votes _ them on message. if you corral votes - — them on message. if you corral votes - i— them on message. if you corral votes — i worked closely to the house — you have to be on point, _ house — you have to be on point. you _ house — you have to be on point, you have to be clear, you — point, you have to be clear, you have _ point, you have to be clear, you have to explain why it is that — you have to explain why it is that every single member of your— that every single member of your caucus vote against things they— your caucus vote against things they said — your caucus vote against things they said they never would vote against — they said they never would vote against or— they said they never would vote against or four. over 30 members said they would not raise — members said they would not raise the _ members said they would not raise the debt ceiling. he can't _ raise the debt ceiling. he can't ask— raise the debt ceiling. he can't ask timber eyes. behind closed — can't ask timber eyes. behind closed doors, it has to be very clear— closed doors, it has to be very
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clear -- — closed doors, it has to be very clear -- he— closed doors, it has to be very clear —— he can't x temporize. he has— clear —— he can't x temporize. he has a — clear —— he can't x temporize. he has a toughjob indeed. much more of this in a moment. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news.
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welcome back. one of the pressing priorities for this trump administration is getting the cabinet nominees approved. the senate committees did hold hearings today, on elise stefanik�*s nomination as the united states ambassador to the un and for doug collins�* nominated as veteran affairs secretary. the finance committee has approved scott bessent for treasury secretary. but it's the key security positions which still remain unfilled. the senate leader]ohn thune said he's hoping to confirm some time today john ratcliffe as cia director. no progress yet on the particularly controversial
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but they have approved marco rubio as the new secretary of state, who took the oath this morning. he is something of a unicorn — well liked by republicans and democrats alike. the same cannot be said for some of the others. he has a great deal of foreign policy experience, staunch supporter of israel, very hawkish on china. here he is at his first press conference a little earlier. president trump was elected toi keep promises and he's going to keep those promises, and his i primary promise when it comes to foreign policy is that the i priority of the united states department of state will be the united states. i it will be furthering . the national interests of this country. and he's given us - a very clear mandate. president trump's made it very clear that - everything we do — and this is true in government, -
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but especially at the l department of state — everything we do must i be justified by the answer to one of three questions. does it make us stronger? does it make us safer? and it does it make l us more prosperous? if it doesn't do one i of those three things, we will not do it. ]oel just ]oeljust said ]oel just said they ]oeljust said they heard the speech before. that ]oeljust said they heard the speech before.— ]oeljust said they heard the speech before. at every time i serve there! — speech before. at every time i serve there! exact _ speech before. at every time i serve there! exact same - speech before. at every time i i serve there! exact same speech. good _ serve there! exact same speech. good job— serve there! exact same speech. good job for secretary rubio to -et good job for secretary rubio to get the — good job for secretary rubio to get the talking points. this good job for secretary rubio to get the talking points.- get the talking points. this is the new form _ get the talking points. this is the new form of _ get the talking points. this is the new form of american - the new form of american foreign policy. it the new form of american foreign policy.— the new form of american foreign policy. it is, and this will be a _ foreign policy. it is, and this will be a real— foreign policy. it is, and this will be a real task _ foreign policy. it is, and this will be a real task for - foreign policy. it is, and this will be a real task for marco | will be a real task for marco ruhio— will be a real task for marco rubio because this is not a person— rubio because this is not a person known for being a transactional seeker. he has a deep — transactional seeker. he has a deep track record of being tough _ deep track record of being tough on russia and iran. sort of bending the knee already to be a _ of bending the knee already to be a little cynical. the department likes to have secretaries who know the president well and who are internationalists and who fit
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the bill _ internationalists and who fit the bill. he has the full support of the senate, former senators— support of the senate, former senators tend to get that blessing from their former colleagues. i think folks in the — colleagues. i think folks in the department will be happy that they may be a refuge and island — that they may be a refuge and island of— that they may be a refuge and island of normal in an abnormal administration. | island of normal in an abnormal administration.— administration. i couldn't help but think watching _ administration. i couldn't help but think watching his - administration. i couldn't help| but think watching his remarks that he felt it was a mark aceite natural fit for marco rubio. —— it was a naturalfit. he thanked the local staff, which is a really important note to say that he highlighted them as well. is he a good fit for donald trump on some of these policies? look, i know marco rubio, senator rubio — very, very smart senator. understand his state and international issues. i don't think president trump would have chosen him if they weren't aligned on a lot of the issues. marco is going to do a
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greatjob. look, icanjust issues. marco is going to do a greatjob. look, i canjust see him flourishing in this position because there's going to be challenges, but you won't be afraid to tell the president, this is what i believe. at the end of the day, the president has the vision. he made it very clear right there. does that make us safer, does it make a stronger? it's pretty basic. i have a lot of hope for marco. 99%, it says a lot about where he works. fin hope for marco. 99%, it says a lot about where he works. on my side of the _ lot about where he works. on my side of the pond, _ lot about where he works. on my side of the pond, they _ lot about where he works. on my side of the pond, they will - lot about where he works. on my side of the pond, they will be - side of the pond, they will be listening very closely to what he said on china. certainly donald trump is pushing europe into making a lose lose choice, either bend it to donald trump or expect the tariffs. i either bend it to donald trump or expect the tariffs.— or expect the tariffs. i can guarantee _ or expect the tariffs. i can guarantee it's _ or expect the tariffs. i can guarantee it's going - or expect the tariffs. i can guarantee it's going to - or expect the tariffs. i can guarantee it's going to be | or expect the tariffs. i can - guarantee it's going to be what guarantee its going to be what donald trump, where he wants to 90, donald trump, where he wants to go, marco rubio will navigate.
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he's got some decisions to make, but he is the secretary of state today, and let's give him just a little bit of time to show us... him just a little bit of time to show us. . ._ to show us... crosstalk but to show us... crosstalk ltut this _ to show us... crosstalk but this is _ to show us... crosstalk but this is an _ to show us... crosstalk but this is an issue - to show us... crosstalk but this is an issue for. to show us... crosstalk but this is an issue for sir keir starmer. how does he walk that fine line? i5 keir starmer. how does he walk that fine line?— that fine line? is the hardest “ob of that fine line? is the hardest job of the — that fine line? is the hardest job of the secretary - that fine line? is the hardest job of the secretary of - that fine line? is the hardest job of the secretary of state | job of the secretary of state because in every ministration, the form — because in every ministration, the form foreign ministry is looked _ the form foreign ministry is looked out of little sceptically. and why it matters to the — sceptically. and why it matters to the united states, that's his crucial task. it to the united states, that's his crucial task.— to the united states, that's his crucial task. it struck me that he said _ his crucial task. it struck me that he said he _ his crucial task. it struck me that he said he wants - his crucial task. it struck me that he said he wants to - his crucial task. it struck me i that he said he wants to make sure the state department is relevant again, indicating he felt it wasn't. at the same time, donald trump is someone who's touted his personal
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