people from from the more egregious practices. with me this hour: amanda renteria, former campaign aide to hillary clinton and ceo of code for america and charlie dent, former republican congressman. katrina perry, our colleague. welcome back. there there are many complicated reasons why prince harry fled the uk, but perhaps one reason above all others was his visceral dislike of the media. today he hailed the settlement he had won from news group newspapers that as a "monumental victory". it includes an undisclosed amount of "substantial damages" and an "unequivocal apology". news group newspapers said the agreement "draws a line under the past". but the culture secretary, lisa nandy, said the government would take action to prevent any repeat of the industrial scale intrusion that took place. i'm not going to call for a

parliamentary inquiry what parliamentary inquiry what parliament does is a matter for parliament and holds us to account of the select committee decides they want to hold an inquiry, i'm sure the families are very much welcome that. from our part in government, it is ourjob to meet the families, listen to their concerns and see what they do to help protect people from the more egregious practices was making sure that we don't in any sense encroach on the right of a free and fair press in this country. joining us now is robert jobson, a britishjournalist and best selling author of multiple books on the royals. he was also the sun newspaper�*s royal editor in the 19905. gaddafi the programme. —— gaddafi the programme. -- good to have you on the gaddafi the programme. —— good to have you on the programme. strongly denied for trial, why did the newsgroup come clean today? i did the newsgroup come clean toda ? ., , did the newsgroup come clean toda ? . , . today? i was never the royal editor of _ today? i was never the royal editor of the _

today? i was never the royal editor of the sun _ today? i was never the royal editor of the sun they - today? i was never the royal editor of the sun they never put that much money in my pocket. i left in 1993 which is quite a long while ago. i think it is a purity victory for prince harry because he wanted to go all the way in court and he hasn't had that in the newspapers have taken the consultation with their lawyers but there's no phone hacking involved which is very thing but there has been unlawful behaviour especially if any journalists are involved in that and it's a victory for the lawyers because they are getting paid, as always for the most important thing about this in my opinion is that it has to draw a line under things because we are dealing with things that have happened up to the last detail, 2011 and we have been under a whole press landscape is changed immensely and 2025, although i feel for prince harry losing his mother, anyone who loses their mother is surrenders, i lost my mum

last month and it surrenders. but you have to draw a line and deaf to have an inquest and i do believe it is important for britain that we moved on from this and it's important to have a free press an important that the king who is not well at the moment can just the king who is not well at the moment canjust go the king who is not well at the moment can just go on and be doing hisjob and all of moment can just go on and be doing his job and all of this is a huge distraction. you say it is a pyrrhic _ is a huge distraction. you say it is a pyrrhic victory. - it is a pyrrhic victory. excepting wrongdoing at the sun and investigators that acting appropriately and also, in respect of the mother, they have intruded in the life of the late princess diana, that alone is indication for the prince because they have not said that before. i prince because they have not said that before.— said that before. i agree with ou and said that before. i agree with you and a _ said that before. i agree with you and a citizen _ said that before. i agree with you and a citizen victory - you and a citizen victory because they said they will have their day in court and he has not. things were done that were wrong and i think the newsgroup newspapers, i cannot

speak for them but they did it in for them, it's for their lawyers and i think that the look of the bigger picture here in the bigger picture is that our king is not particularly well and have a constitutional democracy and a parliamentary constitutional monarchy in a parliamentary democracy and we have to move on we are in 2025 and we are not in the last century and is a long time ago and we have inquest because millions of pounds dealt with that they have other issues in other lawyers, i must admit, i that lawyer for harry but a bit of a spin on it to be honest. and think is quite the things said but we must remember and it's very important that the government minister talks about things is very important that we have a free press. every institution, even the bbc has backed apples and i think it is been dealt with and it's time to move on. been dealt with and it's time to move om— to move on. there was a stronger— to move on. there was a stronger bottle - to move on. there was a stronger bottle that - to move on. there was a stronger bottle that was| to move on. there was a - stronger bottle that was issued by the sun and just what was

not in the settlement is that they destroyed evidence in 2010 and 2011 and i'll be the subject of significant challenge and although they sought to pursue those allegations, they said quite firmly that they are not apologising on that specific issue. i apologising on that specific issue. ., �* ~ ., . apologising on that specific issue. ~ ., . . issue. i don't know what that issue. i don't know what that issue would _ issue. i don't know what that issue would be _ issue. i don't know what that issue would be put _ issue. i don't know what that issue would be put carry - issue. i don't know what that issue would be put carry on. | issue. i don't know what that i issue would be put carry on. to direct you will be aware that the litigation that he brought was a source of friction in the family. friction, not fiction. freudian slip. getting such a significant statement? i hope so. significant statement? i hope so- because _ significant statement? i hope so. because is _ significant statement? i hope so. because is very _ significant statement? i hope j so. because is very important to move on and i know you keep mentioning that i work for the sun, i worked there for two years from 1990 to 1992 and many people, made a listeners

were not even born yet. but it was a different times. i went to work and i've been diplomatic in defence, i work towards. i don'tjust focus on this and in the obsessive way, i'm also, what i'm saying here it is important that we have a free press and what is important is that we draw a line under it and what is important is if he feels he's drawn a line under it and for me having interviewed the king and of the king personally, thing is very important going forward that we are able to adjust, everyone is able to do theirjob that includes the king, that includes the press, according people to account in hopefully for prince harry, i have met and talked to him, it draws a line under the sadness having lost his parents and that drives this and good friends are doing that in a way but he has to parents having lost both of mine, think it is

time to draw a line. b, lost both of mine, think it is time to draw a line. a pleasure to talk to _ time to draw a line. a pleasure to talk to you. _ time to draw a line. a pleasure to talk to you. charlie - time to draw a line. a pleasure to talk to you. charlie dent - to talk to you. charlie dent was at the inauguration as talked about that before, he likes the royal family and it will be interesting to see his reaction and how rupert murdoch might be seen on the side. it is interesting. _ seen on the side. it is interesting. i- seen on the side. it is interesting. i think i seen on the side. it is i interesting. i think most americans know of rupert murdoch because of his ownership of fox news as well as the wall streetjournal. i don't know if you're going to get an enormous traction here in the united states rather than those who dislike fox news or wall streetjournal and this or wall street journal and this is what or wall streetjournal and this is what the owner of that organisation has done in the equity is done in the uk but i think for most americans, i think for most americans, i think this is not going to be a very big story as it is for the uk. and those who like rupert

murdoch and fox will probably forgive this transgression and those who dislike him to find more reason to dislike him even more. i more reason to dislike him even more. , , , . more reason to dislike him even more. ,,, . more reason to dislike him even more. , , more. i suspect you might be riaht, i more. i suspect you might be right, i would _ more. i suspect you might be right, i would ask _ more. i suspect you might be right, i would ask amanda . right, i would ask amanda whether or not you think for those detractors of this is a part of the debilitated debilitation some this was a strong settlement and maybe there'll be some of those detractors who say, ok, fair dues? ., ~' detractors who say, ok, fair dues? . ~' , dues? no, i think there will be a lot of attention _ dues? no, i think there will be a lot of attention on _ dues? no, i think there will be a lot of attention on this - dues? no, i think there will be a lot of attention on this but i a lot of attention on this but i do — a lot of attention on this but i do think_ a lot of attention on this but i do think if federal truth. anyone _ i do think if federal truth. anyone who is following says 0k, anyone who is following says ok. now _ anyone who is following says ok, now there is an end of a 0k, now there is an end of a chapter— ok, now there is an end of a chapterandl ok, now there is an end of a chapterand i can ok, now there is an end of a chapter and i can move forward, i think_ chapter and i can move forward, i think that _ chapter and i can move forward, i think that is some of the tension _ i think that is some of the tension feelings around here but like _ tension feelings around here but like charlie said, it will not — but like charlie said, it will not get _ but like charlie said, it will not get a _ but like charlie said, it will not get a tonne of attention here — not get a tonne of attention here in— not get a tonne of attention here in the states but it does feel— here in the states but it does feel a — here in the states but it does feel a people can now move on. let's _ feel a people can now move on. let's do — feel a people can now move on. let's dojust that feel a people can now move on. let's do just that and talk about donald trump because in the last few minutes, he signed

an executive order suspending the entry of migrants into the us at the southern border with mexico and the white house says the order directs various departments to take all necessary actions to immediately repel, repatriate and remove illegal aliens across the southern border. katrina, you are watching this for us and what do you make of that, another one relating to the security of the southern border. . , border. indeed in many additional _ border. indeed in many additional trips - border. indeed in many additional trips of - border. indeed in many additional trips of been | border. indeed in many - additional trips of been sent to the border that is a massive number and as a national emergency that president trump is declared along the border that allows them to clear free of federal funding and deploy the us military there. basically, building the border wall and kind of, support roles but this would be very different. this would be in line with the old—style borders remember from line with the old—style borders rememberfrom europe from line with the old—style borders remember from europe from a very long time ago in northern ireland which were staffed by armed individuals and that is

potentially what we're looking at here and there are border crossings between the us and mexico but then there are miles and miles of dispensing river and miles of dispensing river and no individuals there but the white house press secretary who hasn't had a full on press briefing yet, we should note and speak to reporters outside the white house just in the last few minutes and said, this is the number one priority of the american people and the president has already delivered, very much on message and on brand with what he set out to do. and on brand with what he set out to do-_ out to do. were of latino descent _ out to do. were of latino descent and _ out to do. were of latinoj descent and campaigning out to do. were of latino - descent and campaigning terms, how do you think they will perceive what they've heard from the president of the last few days?— from the president of the last fewda s? �*, . , few days? so, there's a couple of things. _ few days? so, there's a couple of things, one _ few days? so, there's a couple of things, one is _ few days? so, there's a couple of things, one is the _ few days? so, there's a couple of things, one is the visuals i of things, one is the visuals of things, one is the visuals of what he's going for it of things, one is the visu