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rebels in the democratic republic of the congo said they 7 7 1 control 7 7 7 1 control of 7 7 7 lcontrol of in east. has accused the east. the drc has accused rwanda of troops across it's 77 it's closed 77 it's closed their ” 1&7; closedtheiiribo’rderi.’ in the us, says it has been hit by a large—scale says there's no doubt that rwandan troops are supporting the m23 group. killed in the violence and close to 400 say five civilians
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were killed in rwanda. here's barbara plett usher. on the move again. we abandoned our villages to come to goma, and even scenes of chaos. claims of who's in control. elsewhere, there is fear.
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this is only the latest chapter in three years parts of goma. rwanda supports the m23 cause, but for these soldiers, it's become a refuge. "we didn't get any help. but tough words for kigali
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at the un. the congolese ambassador accused rwanda of invading the country to support m23. rwanda denies direct involvement, despite evidence in a un report. republic of congo. it is my belief... amid fears of a wider war.
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of a military solution to the challenges that faced eastern drc. amongst those fleeing goma were un staff and their families. other humanitarian workers have also left, or they've paused their operations with no security or supplies to feed the hundreds of thousands of displaced. the flow of people into rwanda accelerated as the day wore on, with reports coming through of deadly escalation. clashes over the border. clashes over the border. the situation remains tense and volatile. barbara plett usher, bbc news, nairobi. we can speak now to michela wrong, a former africa correspondent for the financial times and reuters news agency, and author of a book on rwanda — do not disturb: the story of a political murder and an african regime gone bad. and an african regime gone bad.
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thank you forjoining us on the programme. some really disturbing images coming out of the democratic republic of congo. this explained to us in sort of simple terms what's behind this current balance. well, i don't think there is ever anything simple about the situation in eastern congo but will we have basically seen is the m23 comic the congolese group of rebels made up of congolese tutsis used to be part of the congolese army who mutiny. it's very well—known they are supported by the government of rwanda. the reporter said that rwanda is supporting this group. it's not just the un, it's the us, the uk, france, belgium, pretty much universal agreement that behind the m23 is rwanda. and the landgrab we have been seeing and very gradual landgrab is taken three years
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representing a rwandan military intervention in eastern congo. and we have seen this before. this is groundhog day. back in the 1990s when i was a journalist based in the great lakes,
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journalist based in the great le eastern congo will the m the r to n allow the president.to hoover the mineral receipts in of the minerel receipts in congo of the mineret receipts in congo and of the minerst receipts in congo and also in the eastern congo and also in the region. eastern congo and also in the reuion. ~ . , eastern congo and also in the reaion.~ . , ., eastern congo and also in the region-i has _ eastern congo and also in the region.| has - funding, i fineness hes denied fending; or alongside arming or fighting alongside the m23. it is called on the of the drc to with em the negotiate with them at the on the screen show that very clearly that whatever the there are hundreds of of innocent people thousands of innocent people getting up and now escaping as quickly as they can, carrying they 7 77 7backs.r 7 carry on their backs. yes, _ because - carry on their backs. yes, _ because it's l carry on their backs. yes, - _ because it's very, absolutely, because it's very, very uncertain, very volatile oil, ground. very uncertain, very volatile one ground. but we also saw on the ground. but we also saw today were demonstrations which is the capital in the southern part of the what is part of the country. what is in the past whenever have been wwhqje 5a; " rebel es interventions supported by is that we have seen the movements have
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that the movements have seized goma and in the gothwgoma and cities in. the because gotingoma and cities in. the because any south because any military organisation that wants e= 2-— control that region of eastern congo needs to control the control that region of eastern congo nee airports itrol the control that region of eastern congo nee airports and the access by road. and = -= that those means that those southern cities will next and have cities will be next and we have in seen massive demonstrations in southern eastern congo the southern eastern congo the southern eastern congo the congolese population out 7 out on theé out on thestreets think we are out on the streets think we not in support of what's are not in support of what's coming out in goma. we don't want the m23 to come down here. -e support the congolese 77— 77 7,— 77 it is an incredibly7 7 it is an incredibly7tense 7 so it is an incredibly tense situation of are looking situation of people are looking to the community to the international community to the international community to african countries and to other african countries to take firm on this. the moment, all we are are sort of firm seeing are sort of firme — e.. ,, but no seeing are sort of firm — e.. ,, but no actual statements but no actual action. ~ ., .,
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today, they were sentenced. this court is used to hearing some of the worst examples of human behaviour. such extreme abuse of children seems to be rare. of 13 — two girls and a boy. that is because rigorous risk
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assessments had to be carried what has happened. of safety for those children, iwould imagine. into what happened to try and make sure nothing like this can happen again. let's return to the rations at auschwitz.
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survivors addressed the she shared her celebrations, but "death, child, jewish" seemed a normal thought. at that time, we were victims in a moral vacuum, but today, however, we have an obligation.
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but also to warn and to teach that hatred only begets more hatred, killing more killing. another survivor explain how he was stripped of his humanity yyag stripped of his humanity he arrived. translation: now i urge translation: now | urge l of translation: nowl urge in those to translation: now i urge of those to i careful i such
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operation expert operation of pay. in today's _ expert operation of pay. in today's world, it is z— incredibly challenging to distant with between genuine intention and of intention and the pursuit of popularity. the need to stems from a conscious and that stems from a conscious and persistent— that stems from a conscious and persistent i repeat persistent agenda. i repeat therefore to be attentive and be vigilant. we, the survivors, we understand that the consequence of things are different, this is active persecution. of we have - we have personally. which we have personally experienced. and we did 7 experience it and are very hard _ experience it and are very hard let_ experience it and are very hard. let us very serious hard. let us be very serious and — hard. let us be very serious and let's_ hard. let us be very serious and let's think what the enemies of democracy generally seek to preach. they generally seek to implement the slogans they sw—=7—7w: i= qzfi
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promote. if they succeed in gaining _ promote. if they succeed in gaining power, we avoid z: z the 19305, the world failed to take the world failed to take the nazi m seriously the nazi regimes and the plans— seriously the nazi regimes and the plans to create a state 7-77 ofjews, roma, 7 0717777 770m 7 7177777 770m of - opinions, - opinions, of- ffie-iflieei�* 5-355 55-3515 it opinions, of its = -= 7—7—7777777777 were underestimated. therefore, i implore — were underestimated. therefore, i implore everybody to intensify �* efforts in intensify their efforts in countering the views led countering the views'thatted m countering the viewsthat led genocide we are te the pens—side see we ,. . as e w 7 today. than commemorating today. more than understanding ourheritage gm, that there but dnaw, that there but m sa-iens. therefore, the
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hgmo sa-iens. therefo - l�* racism, hgmo sapiens. therefore. the racism, which is a of nazi = -= leon weintraub there. those do continue commemorations do continue the world commemorations'do continue the world and indeed in uk with such as edinburgh m see there, and castle, yescen see there, and the eye purple in remembrance of in purple in remembrance of all who murdered. you those who were murdered. you watching bbc just take us through what was very powerful, moving ceremony. sarah, a very poignant,
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very powerful, moving ceremony. sara significant>ignant, emotional, significant ceremony here at the beteet' the guild hall in london a central london a little earlier. there 50 earlier. there were'about 50 survivors here to holocaustsurvivors here to the 80th mark the 80th anniversary of liberation auschwitz. the liberation of auschwitz. some of the survivors of auschwitz itself. also here if you to with auschwitz itself. also here if you and with “he . ., ,, , ,. , ,.,. .,.. .. auschwitz itself. also here if you and to with “he . ., ,, , ,. , ,.,, .,.. .. auschwitz itself. also here if you and to commemorate , w , .. , ,.,. .,,, ,, auschwitz itself. also here if you anniversary commemorate , w , ,. , ,.,, .,,, ,, auschwitz itself. also here if you anniversary were nemorate , w , ,. , a, .,, , . , auschwitz itself. also here if you anniversary were the orate , w , ,. , a, .,, , . , and 7 and of7wales, prince and princess of wales, and in fact before the ceremony and infect before thecere—e�*r we and started. we sawwilliam and meet with some of catherine meet with some of which was a those survivors, which was a rather emotional for rather emotional meeting for herself is met them catherine hersetfis met’ several before and met them today. and and met eith the“ teeees 7“ ~ ~ ~ 7 important and and met eith the“ teeees 7“ ~ ~ ~ * importantand greally important and for them to be here significant for them to be here and part of national and part of this national prince william commemoration.~prince william during the ceremony. he told about his oath actually told about his own family's with the shipping with the and history with the holocaust and how his great :—-= 77alice,77actually 7alice,77actually he 77alice,77actually he had princess alice, actually he had jewish during a jewish family during the war save their he and catherine lit lives. he and catherine lit candles, and he of the candles, and he spoke of the to carry on the legacy of
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candles, and he spoke of the and to these survivors and to make sure their stories were not and also g— 77 of those of those survivors, he bfseerf'etthese'suruiuer’se he in bfseery'etthese'suruiuer’se he in reliving stories make herrewtn'g'steties to mess ssre �* testimonies are herrewtn'g'steties to mess ssre �*testimonies are not their testimonies are not forgotten. we also saw the prime minister here also candles, meeting with 777 777 77 77777s7p7eaking 77 6 speaking about sgrvivgrsgng—segéking 59955; words again. heard them so many times have heard them ee many times �* the have heard them ee many times �*the decades, have heard them se many times �*the decades, and yet as he over the decades, and yet as he are refersnssdg th'srs'afs' ” ' ” beat genocides continuing to beat genocides over the decades and the he said we have to werld and hesaid we. have to sure those words world and hesaid we. have to sure those words really werld and hesaid we. have to never 1ose words really world and hesaid we. have to never 1ose w that really world and hesaid we have to never 1ose w that itally mean never again, that it does, happen again. and mean never again. that it does, happen again. and he said not happen again. and he said we to make sure, that we are going to make sure, he is going to make sure in this codntry'that holocaust is this eoontry'that holocaust is within ”h” 7 thatiall 7 w 7” 7” ’ ihlat’afi lhaideén " ' schools, that all children learn the history of the learn about the history of the holocaust and the mistakes that made so it cannot again. and also 7 n 7 again. and also to effo rts efforts ma ke efforts make sure those who engage in or revisionist holocaust denial or revisionist about gigglsogaust denial or revisionist about the they cannot continue with
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”in?” "uni!" wu those. little earlier, i spoke to holocaust survivor. story of survival. i was born in a nazi ghetto, and at the age of eight months, my older sister and my parents and i were sent and we were a group of prisoners that they us for germans in allied hands. and they couldn't find a way.
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the guards running away. and it was the russians. and the russians put down a line of artillery. to protect us from shrapnel, hoping that the artillery would pass. when it passed, my father got up, and instead of running away from the russians, he ran in perfect russian. we were starving.
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when he explained he'd been in the russian army, they gave him a new uniform and a gun _ and we found an empty farmhouse where we started to recover. i had typhus. i was dying. and started to recover. well, trauma is a kind of injury.
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to find hate as an answer. it doesn't work. consumed by the hate. way to understand and to move forward. alfred there sharing his story he and his family went
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of what he and his family went holocaust through during the holocaust and how parents and how his parents basically never but how he has never recovered but how he has to see never recovered bot how he has to see the light through 25 7 many 7many that 7 fmany that he 77 fmany that he has 77 the me'n'yyeers'thethe hes�*oeen about " gfiért'r'yifi’g’ " ' ' 7 35815579}; ' ' 7 755815579}; help ' education and trying to help others who are in a difficult place. and we heard that so 7 during today. those many times during today. those testimonies about powerful testimonies about people who have literally been through help and and throughhelp and come back and have found the semebew baverfeendtbes—trengtb just to survive but to but also to s-read of peace. and that's message of peace. and that's very mic" today for�*s very much what today for�*s has been all about, and simoni has been all about, and the reason today, this anniversary as we all ie safe aain know. is even more safe again as the years go by, a number of who =:-y ggrvived nisrdwingling by the so sdrvived hisdhna'"§ b�*r' the so we 7 sdrvived mamaua by the so we lose every year. so we lose every year more more people can give �*first—hand accounts, and want hand accounts, and want to nd accounts, and want to nd acn sure ;, and want to nd acn sure ;, ar the the? fiefinf�*fi�*ei�*ecflfefififthe " generation carry the? fiefit1fim§§§cflfeflfiefthe " generation carry on etrzieggacy, legacy, can make sure that z: 7 7 forgetthe horrors people don't forget the horrors they went through so they that this agent thrfieoh’ifithge cannot really cannot happen again. and candles were lit today, 80 candles were lit want to mark every here, want to mark every year since the anniversary, since
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the liberation of auschwitz in an attempt to bring some light into the darkness. sarah. samantha, you. people being 7 to take safest-sing enceefa’ged'ce'tabe""' ' ' the part in the commemoration; the memorial day part in the cemmemeratiens. the memorial day trust holocaust memorial day trust asking to light candles asking people to light'candles”'" ' ' windows this evening at in windows this evening at . p:m., but also public eight cum... bot also pdbiic the are lit in purple. can being lit up in purple. you can see edinburgh castle see there edinburgh castle for other buildings across the some other rboildings across the also some other rboitdings across the also being lit up in london, e'“ elcf�* ee'he gut ee “bond“ " london and e'e�* eeee�* ee'he eie ee “e“e�*eh " london and see in purple. piccadilly ie mm: [b an imae ofa .. .....g..g bémigfii ........... ... beirigheldby 7 lgio’rgifbm? 77 7 candle being held by two symbolising generations. eymbeteinfg'the" ’ " ’” down of generations. eymbeteinig'the" ’ " ’” down of stories from generations. eymbeteinig'the" ’ " ’” holocaust of stories from generations. eymbeteinig'the" ’ " ’” holocaust to stories from generations. eymbeteinig'the" ’ " ’” holocaust to next as from -e—e-:"�*—: '.e"�*“' ghee" also lit up in 77 77als7o7lit ug, cocci station also lit up in purple. this was the last stop station also lit up in purple. th a was the last stop station also lit up in purple. th a long was the last stop station also lit up in purple. th a long was tforast stop station also lit up in purple.
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th a long was tfor 10,000 2 g i f: jéwg’é’figiéi ...:.ii.i.if 77 7 jew|sh|n 77 7 77jéwiéfi7777777777i7h7i§738 15379. 193779. these were and 1939. these were children brought from nazi europe an brought from nazi europe by an organised 77the candour transport. many as the candour transport. many other the uk other buildings across the uk lit up in purple as today the world what the holocaust. do during the holocaust. do stay with us here on bbc news. this is the context on bbc news. has said eight of the due to be released in hostages due to be released in this first phase of the deal or longer ceasefire deal or no longer and said �*families alive and said the�*lfami'iee ,- ~ — —— been atiee and said theie�*amhee . . been , atiee and said theie�*amhee . . been da , aiitla and said thaie�*axmhas . . been da for , alive and said the�*lfami'iee ,- ~ — —— been day for me fen; alive and said the�*lfami'iee ,- ~ — —— been day for me and alive and said the�*sfami'ies ,- ~ — —— been day for me and my emotional day for me and my family, very relieved my father rest 7 rest of 7 7 rest of the 7 7 rest of the family 77 rest of the family will and the rest of the family will be starting �*journey back
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gaza cit77y. 7 to gaza city. ! selleeteefher ’ in from to gaza city. ! selleeteefher - in - from khan father in pieces from khan younis _ father in pieces from khan younis. thank god i am crying younis. thankf: . -- .. younis. thankfad—laeu—qung i don't want for happiness. i don't want anything _ for happiness. i don't want anything my land, even i anything but my land, even if i only— anything but my land, even if i only eat — anything but my land, even if i only eat mode. hello,. a ceasefire in gaza holds devastating news for some family of israelis taken hostage on the of october 77 of of to palestinians return to northern to after palestinians return to northern to of after palestinians return to northern to of war. after palestinians return to northern to of war. plus, after palestinians return to northern to of war. plus, the after palestinians return to northern to of war. plus, the us er palestinians return to northern to of war. plus, the us and back 7 77bac7k7fro7r7n77 77 7 77 77 77 77bac7k7fro7r7n77 77br7ink7 77 trade war over deportation a trade war ever deportation ~ ~ , ,., we'll take a closer rights. we'll take a closer look at and trade look at immigration and trade later. global ai race on later. and global ai race on the us share market drops. we
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