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tv   HAR Dtalk  BBC News  January 28, 2025 12:30am-1:01am GMT

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for human rights. well, my guest is mouaz moustafa, now, you've had roughly six weeks to take in what has
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i know that you flew into syria in the early days after assad fled to moscow. 100%. absolutely. for syria itself. in the middle east. to see good triumph over evil. yeah, it's interesting, you're even talking with a smile on your face and yet i am also deeply
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conscious of the fact you'd campaigned on the issue for years. what was it like, finally seeing these sites? i mean, i'm still, to this day, processing just being at those sites and everything that's happened. and, you know, there was one mass grave, one is called qutayfah, an area called qutayfah, family members and friends. it held tens and tens and tens of thousands of men, women,
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children and elderly. and to be at that site, it's very, you know, it's a sombre place. never—again moments, occurred. has all over the country.
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to give closure to families, i'm going to stop cos there's a lot in that answer, and i do want to talk it that way.
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i believe you've seen them. oh, you know... but you live on the 0.1 chance that he may be alive.
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the burial, you don't have the dna evidence, that you may see them again. within the intelligence branch showing my uncle yeah, you talk about the forensic investigation to protect a number of key
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witnesses who, if there of key witnesses? and the bulldozer driver and the excavator driver, completely anonymously, without showing their faces protection for a long time, and the safety concerns for a long
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it is free of russia with a major geopolitical defeat these people, these irgc and hezbollah that killed countless civilians, for these key witnesses, that bore witness to these horrific crimes. of the country, or look at afghanistan as the americans pulled out and the desperation, the terrorist attacks and other things that happened.
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i mean, ifollowed, city by city, as aleppo was liberated that liberated these cities, you said, "no matter how long it takes, we will get every and you mentioned iraq in your last answer. and a form ofjustice was meted out to him.
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to see bashar al—assad brought to justice. so why are you so confident that assad himself because what the syrians have learned in the past 14 years, the icc, closed off to syria because syria wasn't a signatory to the rome statute, and then, even in... get steps towards justice without a court that was available like the icc.
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in the united states, setf, our organisation, worked with law and the sense of accountability. so it's a very different situation. assad is a liability he no longer buys his weapons or backs his worldview, you know, that it'sjust
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the imperialist west and it is just trying to protect itself. and assad has lost all the value that putin and can be done. i don't want to see assad poisoned off i want to see him come back to damascus, where, in damascus, a syrian court can try this dictator ahmed al—sharaa, the leader of hay�*at tahrir al—sham, was, islamic state—style militancy.
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well, first of all, it's not just now, all of a sudden, and i want to reiterate that we cannot reduce the entire
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whose position and loyalty sits directly with him. or the turkish—backed groups in the northern countryside of aleppo, idlib was governed the best during these past ten years. but the governance of idlib
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at the time isn't the same... and then other positions like foreign minister and others. so, by everyone's admission, including hts, this isn't up or not, and how?
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with the leadership of the new damascus government is one i mean, i'm sure you saw, just as i did, this way — islamist worldview, not one that reflected
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we get to a representative government. it as somehow, you know, shifting the whole education well, that's your view. presidents failed to do.
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so how can you be confident that donald trump is going to and not vladimir putin? helping save or keep assad in power or take off sanctions and for the sake of our allies.
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statement of president biden. the biden white house put out a statement that said, de—escalate what? the liberation of literal concentration camps where we just got rid of a horrible evil, defeated russia and iran and hezbollah and assad
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at the same time, continued to be very good allies and now good friends the trump administration, i would say, with very closely, that actually are, probably, you know, very good on syria. marco rubio, mike waltz, "administration is going to be good on syria," do you believe as a terrorist organisation? displaced, who fled from syria — is it truly safe for
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them to go home? number one, there are sanctions and designations, both state designate sponsor of terror all the way to 1979. even the state sponsor of terror designations. why? it was becauseof . , hafez al—assad. short of military intervention. for democracy, liberty, freedom, and trying to get rid
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when the authoritarian is gone, it should be no questions asked. the reason for those sanctions is now gone. community, minus some of these sanctions, can safely return, and i guess it's a very personal question. you're clearly a man very well connected in washington, are you going to go home? some are in germany, some are in turkey, injordan, those both in europe and those that are in the region are all making plans to go home.
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in a matter of a week. of thousands, all over, in the united states, "hey, what's your plan now?" and his name is mouayad, my friend, or the guy wants a bribe. corruption has been... how hard is corruption to take out of a society? the country dissipated. and so now, today, syria is safe.
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mouaz moustafa, we have to end there. well, the worst of the stormy weather on monday was this time across the southern half of the uk. of up to 70—80 plus mph from storm herminia, of the impacts there. for southern england and wales in particularfor tonight eastwards. particularly from tomorrow. but for tonight, well, we're continuing to see these
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heavy showers just piling from the south and the west. and windy to see any kind of widespread frost. that area of low pressure. western channel coasts. as the low clears.
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through the morning, then that area of rain be a largely dry day, perhaps one or two showers just across the board as high pressure starts to edge in. there will be plenty of sunshine around —
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