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tv   Verified Live  BBC News  January 28, 2025 4:45pm-5:01pm GMT

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welcome back. president trump has praised a chinese firm that's developed a faster and cheaper ai service than its american rival. deepseek — which is
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designed to give answers to online questions — has already overtaken chat gpt to become the most downloaded free app in the united states, even though it's only been available for a week. mike butcher is editor—at—large at technology news and analysis website, tech crunch. he explained the imapct deepseek will have on the global ai race. this has really, um, totally sent a tsunami through the technology industry because most observers thought that in order to get artificial intelligence of this quality, then you would have to throw enormous amounts of computing power at it to literally crowbar out the aland make it work. and deep tech has come along and blown that out of the water.
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we thought that that it would have to be, like, a big american car with a lot of gas and a huge engine. but it turns out the chinese have produced a small little car that that burns it off the lights. and so it's really transformational. it's not just energy. it's the chips, obviously, which are such a vital component. how do you think have they done it? because openai spent $5 billion last year. this, if we're to believe the chinese, cost 6 million. yeah, well, i mean, the irony is that the trade export ban on high performing chips like nvidia's h100 might have led to this scenario because necessity breeds invention. so, this chinese firm has, as you know, managed to get a small number of these high performing chips and realise that they can produce the same results with a different approach.
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and i think this was being predicted by some experts in the industry, but more in theory for several years. but it turns out it is possible. and they've proved it. they used open source material. it said they also used sort of older versions of these chips and stockpiled those. what do you think are the implications, though, of all of this? well, there are two implications. firstly, it means that china is quite clearly very much in the race against the united states, in the global race. this is very much a space race, in fact, a space race and an arms race. in fact, some venture capitalists have called it the sputnik moment. the second implication is actually quite positive in a sense, because if this is possible, it means that america will not have the huge hegemony that it had over ai, that other countries,
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such as the uk, will be able to develop ai in its own fashion. because if this is possible as deepseek has proved it's possible then smaller countries which don't have the huge amount of computing power, don't have vast amounts of energy to throw at al, such as the us, will be able to compete going forward. what about the security implications both nationally and individual users? well, there are clear security implications. if you use deepseek, you are sending your data directly to china. very much an irony here because tiktok was, you know, causing problems in the us because they were concerned about the amount of data going back to china. if you download the deepseek
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app, you are sending your data directly to china. do not pass go and do not stop anywhere. it's going straight to china. you can also run it locally on your laptop. then therefore it's not going to china. it's staying on your laptop. and that's another aspect of it. so it's powerful enough to be able it's very powerful but it's not so energy consuming that you can't run it on a small, small machine. so but security wise, it's a big headache for the security services and for governments. a final thought, then, because donald trump has warned that it's a wake up call to the us tech industry, but we know in terms of his administration's approach to china, it is going to be the central challenge over the next few years. and this is going to be absolutely integral to it all, isn't it? it's hugely integral. and they just announced
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their stargate project, which is a massive project to really supercharge the united states in al. they won't be spending that money. they likely aren't going to spend that money. because as i said, really, this isjust the beginning. but the appearance of deepseek has really fired the starting gun on the whole industry, because prior to that, prior to this, only a handful of companies were capable of what we've seen in al so far. and now it's anyone�*s guess what's going to happen next. patients with terminal illnesses should not have to face unnecessary bureaucracy if they choose an assisted death — that's according to england's chief medical officer, professor sir chris whitty. he was giving evidence to a committee of mps who are scrutinising a bill to allow assisted dying for the terminally ill in england and wales. our medical editor, fergus walsh, has more. 50 witnesses giving oral evidence over the next three days. first up was professor sir chris whitty, the chief medical officerfor england.
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now, he pointed out that if this bill becomes law, there'd be a two year implementation period before the government would have to then offer an assisted dying service. and he said, really, it was better that they offered this in a fair, secure and safe way. and he'd rather there wasn't a strict time deadline for it. now, regarding safeguards, he said it was important that these were kept simple and easy for everyone to understand and follow. what we don't want is a system that is very difficult for them to navigate, so they spend their entire last six months of life if this bill is passed and they choose to take account of it, which is going to be a minority essentially stuck in a bureaucratic thicket, we do need to keep this simple.
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and my view is the best safeguards are simple safeguards. so over complicating actually usually makes the safeguard less certain to be honest. now, the bill at present allows doctors to raise the topic of assisted dying with patients. now there will be some amendments suggesting that doctors shouldn't be allowed to do that, and it must be brought up by patients. dr andrew green, who's the chair of the british medical association medical ethics committee, said that it was important that assisted dying didn't become a tick box exercise that doctors just brought up automatically, but equally he said there would be circumstances where doctors should be allowed to raise it with patients. it's very difficult as a clinician to know when to have those conversations. the last thing that we would want when we're battling with that internally is to feel the weight of legislation behind us. so please do not pass legislation that makes it harder for doctors to understand their patients, because that's why it's important that in particular circumstances, we should be able to gently raise the subject.
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now, the mps also heard from seniorfigures in the world of nursing and palliative care. there will also be evidence from senior lawyers and from doctors from overseas who run assisted dying services. now the bill has still got a long way to go before it could become law, including another crucial vote before the whole house of commons in may. cardiff university has confirmed plans to cut 400 full—timejobs due to a funding shortfall. the proposals could involve school and subject closures, with nursing, music and modern languages among the courses being dropped. the university and college union said it would fight plans against compulsory redundancies. here's our wales correspondent, hywel griffth. cardiff university, a prestigious uk university, one of the so—called russell group, announcing a cut of 400 staff, something like 7% of its workforce,
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and major changes in terms of what it will teach students. so the cuts coming, we understand in departments like music, ancient history, some modern languages and nursing as well. so a change in what courses it will offer students
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let tell you what is coming up. we will the from git). we will. set the latest for" democratic en. we will. set the leteet for" democratic of the democratic republic of congo. some of the pictures on 77 the chaos on the ground. the chaos on the was talking the ground; i was talkingte the: .,, ~ ~~ ~ food pregremmc said people there were facing and unimaginable challenges, and is talk of bodies on the unimaginable challenges, and is these bodies on the unimaginable challenges, and is these are ies on the unimaginable challenges, and is these are pictures ie streets. these are pictures from the been more protests a of embassies have been number of embassies have been attacked. we will have the from there and also the latest from gaza and we also a special report with
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have especial report with 500 reported reportsthat 500 reported of child exploitation took place in imam enland and wales hotels in england and wales last year. that is according to hotels in england and wales last year. the been :cording to hotels in england and wales last year. the been given lg to hotels in england and wales last year. the been given to :o hotels in england and wales last year. the been given to the data that has been given to the , from police so we have bbc from the pptice eowe have tig’f on that. now have the for most of us, the weather continues to quieten down through tomorrow, service for impacts there. which is a big area of low pressure starting to decay, as we go through tonight. some in northern ireland.
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and even a little bit of ice here and there. to go, tracking into france. we are going to see potentially phenomenal waves as high as 15m. for us, ours will be a near miss. average for this time
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in the year. most places dry. good, long sunny spells. around 5—8c. cloud to the west. sleet and hail snow in a few spots. but as high pressure builds into the weekend, the sign is for most places staying dry. morning fog too.
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live from london. in england and wales. that's according to police data exclusively
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back to northern gaza. by helicopter to gaza. by hundreds of injured people in goma, in eastern congo,
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