runways, railways and roads, the chancellor makes a speech on tim bleep tomorrow. and its growth finally about to touch down in the

live from broadcasting house each weeknight. tonight, bringing you insight and expertise is tech entrepreneur alex depledge, she introduced the chancellor on stage at the labour party conference last autumn, also with us — rupert harrison, economist and former chief of staff to conservative chancellor george osborne. in a moment, we'll talk to the ceo of sage, which provides backoffice software for small and medium—sized businesses and is one of the uk's biggest employers. he had breakfast with the chancellor and pm in downing street this morning. is he convinced by the latest growth talk from them? nick is also here. of course. news from the -- from the of course. news from the —— from the treasury. of course. news from the -- from the treasury. the of course. news from the -- from the treasu . ., . ., ., , , . treasury. the chancellor in a speech tomorrow says _ treasury. the chancellor in a speech tomorrow says they _ treasury. the chancellor in a speech tomorrow says they will _ treasury. the chancellor in a speech tomorrow says they will go - treasury. the chancellor in a speech tomorrow says they will go further i tomorrow says they will go further and faster on growth and she is going to announce that they are

pledging to add an extra £78 billion to the uk economy by 2035, by, she says, unleashing the potential of the oxford to cambridge growth corridor. better transport links, new services between oxford and milton keynes this year and upgrading the a4 to eight to reduce journey times between milton keynes

upgrading the a4 to eight to reduce journey times betwn confirmation ynes upgrading the a4 to eight to reduce journey times betwn confirmation of 5s but we think will be that'but'we think'that wewill be of airport thet'bbt'we think'thet we'will be of airport expansion, using ihearing—ef airpertexpensien, being emergency runway hearing—bf airpertfexpeneien, being emergency runway at gatwick hearingref airpertfexpeneien, being emergency runway at gatwick for flights 7' flights, more terminals at andets, more terminals at andéthez'nore terminals at andéthefbig e terminals at andéthefbig one, ninals at —m confirmed, but it looks like we will have a government saying ok to the heve e gevernment eeging 9k. tethe runway heathrow have a government saying ok to the third runway at heathrow airport. crucial thyegee , that, that the crucial thing about that, that not ucial thyegee , that, that is not starting to build at the end not starting gee , that, that not starting to ,, , that, that not starting to build that, that not starting to build at at, that not starting to build at the that not starting to build at the end is not starting to build at the end of this that is the of this week, that is the government ef thie week. thet ie the eeeernment yes and then saying yes and then it will be a ef thie week; thet ie the tieeerhrneht yes and then it be ef thie week; thet ie the eeeerhrneht yes and then it be a saying yes and then it will be a very, long process of very, very long process of heathrow airport doing that. we were talking 5 doing that. we talking airport doing that. we were talking last night here about if you are last night here about if you are about - rowth, really serious about growth, would about growth, would reverse the rishi you reverse decision $38 e??? the elefi' §efi§§ eeaelefi do you reverse the rishi sunak decision and do a form of hs2 north of $39 fee??? the elefi' §efi§§ eeaelefi do a of north of end be e ferre «f be} eerth ef ., , e" we, w bats birmingham, bats a cheaper version? end be e ferre of hezeerth ef ~—— —— — , —— batsa end be e ferre of hezeerth ef ~—— —— — , ,, bats a cheaper end be e ferre of hezeerth ef ~—— —— — , —— bats a cheaper version? we re we were told you can't do that wefe told you were told you can't do that because the land had been sold. from were thei you can't do that were the land can't do that were the land can been hat we; the land can been sold. were the land can been sold. from parte: be: egg eff another part of government we are 77'777755r'tzof , e pa rt of we e pa rt of we are another part of government we are told, no, the has not been told, no, the land has not been sold and the transport secretary, heidi zt= the transport secretary, heidi and the transport secretary, heidi alexander, would still like to do alexander, would still like to do aleee hetero; webte—etitl tlheteee it, still on the table for her and on aleee be. webte—etitl tlheteee on the aleee hetero; webte—etitl tlheteee on the for her it, still on the table for her and at the spending review in she at the spending review injune she

at the spending review injune she would like to have a would like to have a push on webte tilee te heee e ebeh eh thet knows it to the at the spending review injune she would like to wille a push on at the spending review injune she would like to will be push on at the spending review injune she would like to will be really in that knows it will be really difficult. ok. in a sec, we'll hear from our panel, but what does growth mean to you? do let me know — whatsapp me on 03306 784783 with name and where you are in the uk. what do you need to see in your life to convince you the uk economy is doing better? so the economy would look better to me and my company and the driving instructors if the fuel prices came down, if the insurances came down, if the maintenance came down, if the cost of dual controls came down. we wouldn't have to increase our prices for lessons. i think for me, i really need, i really want to see the chancellor introduce some initiatives to help mitigate the cost that employers are going to face, because ultimately i don't understand how we can see our economy growing when employers are reducing the workforces that they've got. at the end of the day, without employment rising, people have got less money to spend. well, i'm a pensioner and i lost.

the £300 this year because i don't claim any benefits at all. i would like to see that - reinstated for those people that really do need it. i think that that was i a terrible thing to do. l i would also expect people to be i spending more money in the shops, buying more goods in the shops. i think for me and everyone i know, the economy is really... it's really difficult at the moment for everyone i know. i think any normal working family that gets a salary, things have changed significantly over the last couple of years. quality of life and living is — we're making different decisions now. so whereas you might be able to treat yourself, you've really got to think before you're spending. so, that is what voters want. alex

depledge, rupert harrison, do you think rachel reeves�* plans are going to deliver that for them? ln think rachel reeves' plans are going to deliver that for them?— to deliver that for them? in the immediate _ to deliver that for them? in the immediate term, _ to deliver that for them? in the immediate term, no. _ to deliver that for them? in the immediate term, no. i- to deliver that for them? in the immediate term, no. i think. immediate term, no. i think ultimately, since 2008, we have not had, we _ ultimately, since 2008, we have not had, we have had very little growth. we have _ had, we have had very little growth. we have been talking about this for a long _ we have been talking about this for a long time. we put it down to lack of productivity. we can't agree on what _ of productivity. we can't agree on what is _ of productivity. we can't agree on what is causing a lack of productivity so i don't see any siiver— productivity so i don't see any silver bullets from anyone, not just this government but anyone, that will see _ this government but anyone, that will see us— this government but anyone, that will see us get growth in the next two to— will see us get growth in the next two to four— will see us get growth in the next two to four years. what i can see is a leading _ two to four years. what i can see is a leading indicator is starting to come _ a leading indicator is starting to come through in that time but i think_ come through in that time but i think we — come through in that time but i think we have to be really honest with the — think we have to be really honest with the british public that there is no _ with the british public that there is no silver bullet and growth is not going — is no silver bullet and growth is not going tojust is no silver bullet and growth is not going to just miraculously appeah — not going to just miraculously appear. but i think what is important is that we do something and we _ important is that we do something ahd we lay— important is that we do something and we lay the foundations now. for and we lay the foundations now. for a long _ and we lay the foundations now. for a long time, — and we lay the foundations now. for a long time, we have hazarded a —— hesitated _ a long time, we have hazarded a —— hesitated about doing that and these initiatives _ hesitated about doing that and these initiatives are a great step in the right direction. sill initiatives are a great step in the right direction.— initiatives are a great step in the right direction. all the things nick talked about _ right direction. all the things nick

talked about in _ right direction. all the things nick talked about in the _ right direction. all the things nick talked about in the speech - right direction. all the things nick i talked about in the speech tomorrow a good _ talked about in the speech tomorrow a good thing — talked about in the speech tomorrow a good thing is, _ talked about in the speech tomorrow a good thing is, the _ talked about in the speech tomorrow a good thing is, the oxford - talked about in the speech tomorrow a good thing is, the oxford to- a good thing is, the oxford to cambridge _ a good thing is, the oxford to cambridge arc, _ a good thing is, the oxford to cambridge arc, that - a good thing is, the oxford to cambridge arc, that is - a good thing is, the oxford to cambridge arc, that is the - a good thing is, the oxford to. cambridge arc, that is the right place _ cambridge arc, that is the right place we — cambridge arc, that is the right place we should _ cambridge arc, that is the right place we should be _ cambridge arc, that is the right place we should be focusing, . place we should be focusing, expanding _ place we should be focusing, exoanding the _ place we should be focusing, expanding the airports. - place we should be focusing, expanding the airports. the i place we should be focusing, - expanding the airports. the problem is, it will— expanding the airports. the problem is, it will take — expanding the airports. the problem is, it will take a _ expanding the airports. the problem is, it will take a very— expanding the airports. the problem is, it will take a very long _ expanding the airports. the problem is, it will take a very long time. - is, it will take a very long time. these _ is, it will take a very long time. these things _ is, it will take a very long time. these things take _ is, it will take a very long time. these things take decades - is, it will take a very long time. these things take decades andi is, it will take a very long time. i these things take decades and the problem _ these things take decades and the problem is — these things take decades and the problem is you _ these things take decades and the problem is you have _ these things take decades and the problem is you have a _ these things take decades and the problem is you have a government that is— problem is you have a government that is seven — problem is you have a government that is seven months _ problem is you have a government that is seven months in _ problem is you have a government that is seven months in and - problem is you have a government that is seven months in and you i problem is you have a government. that is seven months in and you had two people — that is seven months in and you had two people there. _ that is seven months in and you had two people there, what _ that is seven months in and you had two people there, what is _ that is seven months in and you had two people there, what is hitting. two people there, what is hitting growth _ two people there, what is hitting growth right— two people there, what is hitting growth right now— two people there, what is hitting growth right now is _ two people there, what is hitting growth right now is raising - growth right now is raising employers' _ growth right now is raising employers' national- growth right now is raising - employers' national insurance businesses _ employers' national insurance businesses and _ employers' national insurance businesses and taking - employers' national insurance businesses and taking moneyl employers' national insurance i businesses and taking money out employers' national insurance - businesses and taking money out of people's— businesses and taking money out of people's pockets, _ businesses and taking money out of people's pockets, like _ businesses and taking money out of people's pockets, like the _ businesses and taking money out of people's pockets, like the winter. people's pockets, like the winter fuel programme _ people's pockets, like the winter fuel programme. seven- people's pockets, like the winter fuel programme. seven monthsl people's pockets, like the winter. fuel programme. seven months on, scrambling — fuel programme. seven months on, scrambling for— fuel programme. seven months on, scrambling for some _ fuel programme. seven months on, scrambling for some growth - scrambling for some growth announcements, dusting. scrambling for some growth i announcements, dusting some scrambling for some growth - announcements, dusting some stuff that was— announcements, dusting some stuff that was put— announcements, dusting some stuff that was put up— announcements, dusting some stuff that was put up a _ announcements, dusting some stuff that was put up a couple _ announcements, dusting some stuff that was put up a couple of- announcements, dusting some stuff that was put up a couple of years i that was put up a couple of years a-o that was put up a couple of years ago and — that was put up a couple of years ago and say— that was put up a couple of years ago and say we _ that was put up a couple of years ago and say we are _ that was put up a couple of years ago and say we are going - that was put up a couple of years ago and say we are going to- that was put up a couple of years ago and say we are going to do. that was put up a couple of years ago and say we are going to do it after— ago and say we are going to do it after an— ago and say we are going to do it after an oral _ ago and say we are going to do it after an oral might— ago and say we are going to do it after an oral might be _ ago and say we are going to do it after an oral might be good - ago and say we are going to do it after an oral might be good in. after an oral might be good in itself— after an oral might be good in itself but _ after an oral might be good in itself but does _ after an oral might be good in itself but does not _ after an oral might be good in itself but does not really - after an oral might be good in itself but does not really risel after an oral might be good in. itself but does not really rise to the scale — itself but does not really rise to the scale of _ itself but does not really rise to the scale of the _ itself but does not really rise to the scale of the challenge. - itself but does not really rise to the scale of the challenge. you| itself but does not really rise to the scale of the challenge. you said ma be the scale of the challenge. you said may be decades- — the scale of the challenge. you said may be decades. nick, _ the scale of the challenge. you said may be decades. nick, did - the scale of the challenge. you said may be decades. nick, did you - the scale of the challenge. you said may be decades. nick, did you say| may be decades. nick, did you say 2035, 70 8 billion will be added to the uk economy by 2035? unleashing the uk economy by 2035? unleashing the otential the uk economy by 2035? unleashing the potential of the _ the uk economy by 2035? unleashing the potential of the oxford _ the potential of the oxford cambridge growth corridor to add...

2035 according to industry experts. i can remember, sorry, when i was —— he was in opposition, the labour party conference in liverpool, i pressed keir starmer on how long growth was going to take. i asked a couple of times. eventually he said, look, i believe we can do it quickly. how long? within months. we are seven months on, there has been no growth sincejuly, pretty much. our people, our voters, they are not going to wait that long, are they? l going to wait that long, are they? i think if we were an isolated case then— think if we were an isolated case then i_ think if we were an isolated case then i would have some sympathy with then i would have some sympathy with the argument that we need to do things— the argument that we need to do things quicker. but this is something that is plaguing the whole

of a global economy and we are all grappling — of a global economy and we are all grappling with this. so keir did indeed say that, i a little thet wee brebebtit’e’tittte’bit ’" "f "’ and naive. i thet wee brebebtir’e’titttebit _ and naive. i don't misguided and naive. i don't think _ misguided and naive. idon't thinkm - is— misguided and naive. i don't think... is a chronic problem think... this is a chronic problem that— think... this is a chronic problem that- been _ think... this is a chronic problem that been trying to solve and just don't think are any solutions. e i 2 solutions. we need 2 - solutions. we need to l ? solutions. we need to b about that. 7 didn't solve it and had pretty poor over ia they had pretty poor growth over ia years? its they had pretty poor growth over 14 ears? , years? that is right. in the centre a rlobal years? that is right. in the centre i a global issue. _ years? that is right. in the centre i a global issue. since _ years? that is right. in the centre i a global issue. since the - years? 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voters - reward the - voters going to wait that long? - voters - reward the government if voters going to wait that long? voters will _ voters going to wait that long? voters will reward _ voters going to wait that long? voters will reward the - voters going to wait that long? - voters will reward the government if sense there is a they sense _ voters will reward the government if they sense there _ voters will reward the government if they sense there is _ voters will reward the government if they sense there is a _ - sense there is a coherent - - sense there is a coherent plan, | they sense there is a coherent plan, it will— they sense there is a coherent plan, voters will reward the government if they sense there is a coherent - voters will reward the government if they sense there is a coherent plan, | they sense there is a coherent plan, it will— they sense there is a coherent plan, it will take _ they sense there is a coherent plan, it will. time _ they sense there is a coherent plan, it will- time but _ they sense there is a coherent plan, it will- time but they— they sense there is a coherent plan, it will take time _ they sense there is a coherent plan, it will take time but _ they sense there is a coherent plan, it will take time but they— they sense there is a coherent plan, it will- time but they are - ”ww-ww ’ ww w-] 7 ww the tou-h decisions and it will take time but they are - it will take time but they are taking — it will take time but they are taking the _ it will take time but they are taking the tough _ it will take time but they are taking the tough decisions . it will take time but they are i taking the tough decisions and w-— wewsiwonwsd they it will take time but they are - taking the tough decisions and they can see _

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when you have several years to come in with _ when you have several years to come in with a _ when you have several years to come in with a growth— when you have several years to come in with a growth plan _ when you have several years to come in with a growth plan and _ when you have several years to come in with a growth plan and they - in with a growth plan and they clearly— in with a growth plan and they clearly didn't _ in with a growth plan and they clearly didn't have _ in with a growth plan and they clearly didn't have a _ in with a growth plan and they clearly didn't have a growth i in with a growth plan and they . clearly didn't have a growth plan and then— clearly didn't have a growth plan and then seven _ clearly didn't have a growth plan and then seven months - clearly didn't have a growth plan and then seven months after i clearly didn't have a growth plan i and then seven months after being elected. _ and then seven months after being elected. they— and then seven months after being elected, they kind _ and then seven months after being elected, they kind of— and then seven months after being elected, they kind of suddenly- elected, they kind of suddenly cobble — elected, they kind of suddenly cobble together— elected, they kind of suddenly cobble together the _ elected, they kind of suddenly cobble together the oxford i elected, they kind of suddenly cobble together the oxford to| cobble together the oxford to cambridge _ cobble together the oxford to cambridge growth— cobble together the oxford to cambridge growth arc. - cobble together the oxford to cambridge growth arc. it's i cobble together the oxford to| cambridge growth arc. it's not cobble together the oxford to i cambridge growth arc. it's not very impressive — cambridge growth arc. it's not very impressive they— cambridge growth arc. it's not very impressive. they still— cambridge growth arc. it's not very impressive. they still have - cambridge growth arc. it's not very impressive. they still have time i cambridge growth arc. it's not very impressive. they still have time to| impressive. they still have time to put together — impressive. they still have time to put together a _ impressive. they still have time to put together a serious _ impressive. they still have time to put together a serious growth i impressive. they still have time to put together a serious growth planj put together a serious growth plan but we _ put together a serious growth plan but we are — put together a serious growth plan but we are about _ put together a serious growth plan but we are about a _ put together a serious growth plan but we are about a week— put together a serious growth plan but we are about a week into i put together a serious growth plan but we are about a week into it- put together a serious growth planl but we are about a week into it and we should — but we are about a week into it and we should be — but we are about a week into it and we should be seven _ but we are about a week into it and we should be seven months - but we are about a week into it and we should be seven months into. but we are about a week into it and we should be seven months into it. the challenge — we should be seven months into it. the challenge is— we should be seven months into it. the challenge is they _ we should be seven months into it. the challenge is they wanted - we should be seven months into it. the challenge is they wanted to i the challenge is they wanted to follow what you did with george osborne, which was blamed the previous lot for the so—called mess. they did that for the first six months, it all looked very gloomy and they have come back, clearly they have had a few extra weetabix with their turkey over the christmas period and have said we have to move fast and look like here is what we are going to do. it is clearly a gear change. are going to do. it is clearly a gear change-— are going to do. it is clearly a caearchane. , ., gear change. assuming they cannot walk and chew _ gear change. assuming they cannot walk and chew gum _ gear change. assuming they cannot walk and chew gum at _ gear change. assuming they cannot walk and chew gum at the - gear change. assuming they cannot walk and chew gum at the same i gear change. assuming they cannot i walk and chew gum at the same time. you could _ walk and chew gum at the same time. you could have — walk and chew gum at the same time. you could have come _ walk and chew gum at the same time. you could have come in, _ walk and chew gum at the same time. you could have come in, blamed i walk and chew gum at the same time. you could have come in, blamed your| you could have come in, blamed your predecessors— you could have come in, blamed your predecessors and _ you could have come in, blamed your predecessors and hit _ you could have come in, blamed your predecessors and hit the _ you could have come in, blamed your predecessors and hit the ground i predecessors and hit the ground running — predecessors and hit the ground running with _ predecessors and hit the ground running with a _ predecessors and hit the ground running with a growth _ predecessors and hit the ground running with a growth plan- predecessors and hit the ground | running with a growth plan which predecessors and hit the ground i running with a growth plan which is what _ running with a growth plan which is what we _ running with a growth plan which is what we did — running with a growth plan which is what we did in— running with a growth plan which is what we did in 2010. _ running with a growth plan which is what we did in 2010. we _ running with a growth plan which is what we did in 2010. we dealt- running with a growth plan which is what we did in 2010. we dealt with the deficit— what we did in 2010. we dealt with the deficit but _ what we did in 2010. we dealt with the deficit but we _ what we did in 2010. we dealt with the deficit but we cut _ what we did in 2010. we dealt with the deficit but we cut corporation i the deficit but we cut corporation tax,

the deficit but we cut corporation tax. there — the deficit but we cut corporation tax, there were _ the deficit but we cut corporation tax, there were incentives - the deficit but we cut corporation tax, there were incentives by- the deficit but we cut corporation i tax, there were incentives by people to employ— tax, there were incentives by people to employ people. _ tax, there were incentives by people to employ people, cut _ tax, there were incentives by people to employ people, cut regulations. i to employ people, cut regulations. it is mystifying _ to employ people, cut regulations. it is mystifying to— to employ people, cut regulations. it is mystifying to me _ to employ people, cut regulations. it is mystifying to me it— to employ people, cut regulations. it is mystifying to me it has- to employ people, cut regulations. it is mystifying to me it has taken. it is mystifying to me it has taken seven— it is mystifying to me it has taken seven months— it is mystifying to me it has taken seven months to _ it is mystifying to me it has taken seven months to even _ it is mystifying to me it has taken seven months to even come i it is mystifying to me it has taken seven months to even come up . it is mystifying to me it has taken. seven months to even come up with theirs _ seven months to even come up with theirs. ., seven months to even come up with theirs. . ., . . ~ theirs. fair enough. we will talk about that _ theirs. fair enough. we will talk about that in _ theirs. fair enough. we will talk about that in a _ theirs. fair enough. we will talk about that in a second. - earlier today, keir starmer was asked about the government�*s intentions over a potential third runway at heathrow — he had this to say. well, i�*m not going to speculate about heathrow and any decision there. what i will say is that growth is the number one priority of this government — economic growth, wealth creation, making sure that people are better off. of course we also have climate commitments, but growth is really important to our agenda. joining us on the sofa is the director of the good growth foundation, praful nargund. we�*ll talk to him about a new report from his think tank in a moment. but first, let�*s speak to one of those invited to a breakfast with the chancellor and the prime minister this morning — steve hare. he�*s the ceo of sage, which provide backoffice software for small and medium—sized businesses based in newcastle upon tyne, a big employer

with around 11,000 staff. welcome to newsnight. you were there at that breakfast meeting. were you convinced by what you heard from the prime minister and chancellor mark ella i think like some of the panel have already said, the intent is there. �* ., have already said, the intent is there. ~ , ., there. both prime minister and the chancellor had _ there. both prime minister and the chancellor had said _ there. both prime minister and the chancellor had said growth - there. both prime minister and the chancellor had said growth is i there. both prime minister and the chancellor had said growth is very l chancellor had said growth is very much hard—wired into the agenda. [30 much hard—wired into the agenda. do you believe him? much hard-wired into the agenda. do you believe him? we _ much hard-wired into the agenda. do you believe him? we need _ much hard-wired into the agenda. do you believe him? we need to - much hard-wired into the agenda. do you believe him? we need to see i much hard-wired into the agenda. do you believe him? we need to see thej you believe him? we need to see the outut. i you believe him? we need to see the output- i know _ you believe him? we need to see the output. i know these _ you believe him? we need to see the output. i know these things - you believe him? we need to see the output. i know these things take i output. i know these things take a long time but you need to show the intent, you need to show real deliverables in the short term. i think people need to see action. what will action look like to you? small and medium—size businesses are half the economy so if you want the economy to grow, as well half the economy so if you wa