a fragile ceasefire is still in place in gaza. over 10,000 palestinians,

proscribed as a terrorist organisation by the west is hamas ready to negotiate its own demise? basem naim, welcome to hardtalk. you've been involved since the beginning of the ceasefire talks. a permanent ceasefire? this is our hopes,

our main goal was how to stop this aggression, during the implementation. in the second phase, at least — to a permanent ceasefire and total withdrawal of the israeli forces from the areas occupied during the october — after october 7th.

and how that will happen? on day 16 after signing the agreement. but our leadership is today in cairo, with the egyptian leadership. the second round of the negotiations, because we know that it will be very difficult, which have to lead to a permanent ceasefire and totalwithdrawal, plus a final prisoner exchange. hamas, of course, has new leadership. many of the senior military

figures were killed. i think this is a hypothetical question, because palestinians have, for 30 years, tried through after the oslo agreement to achieve a political for 30 years, to implement its hidden agenda by annexing more land, by building more checkpoints, and gaza strip.

the un general assembly, that they are not ready therefore, this question has to be directed to the other party. ok, and the israelis would take a very different position, you said at the weekend, "we are not eager to be part of any government, "supported by all palestinian factions." i think this position of

hamas is not only in 2014 for a unity government, but unfortunately, it has failed. and we have repeated this... therefore, this is ourfirm position that we are not eager we consider ourselves a resistance movement. therefore, we are... these people, for a limited time, have well—defined tasks that — to prepare for election,

unfortunately, this has failed by the rejection, the president of the pa, we are not eager to be part and they say they are ready to go into gaza immediately, they have made plans.

a unity, or reconciliation agreement, which tasks this government have, who is mahmoud abbas. and they are not technocrats. except there are — it is a technocratic government at the moment.

"we have been involved," and you're having a hold do you still defend it? everywhere in the gaza strip, and when it comes to october 7th... but i want to ask you about october 7th.

it was clearly military that day. would you do it again, now that you know the consequences of it? look, palestinian people are people under occupation, and i think it is genuine, and will — inherited in the including armed resistance. is not about the resistance, because the resistance is an act of defence, is a response. why not call the israelis

dr naim, i asked you about october the 7th, look, resistance is a comprehensive approach. it could be political, it could be diplomatic, it could be by bds, it could be in the media, in the movement, in hamas, and with otherfactions, and with other palestinians who might have other approaches. the main goal is how to get rid of the occupation. to get rid of the occupation. we will come back to that. but what i'm wanting you to focus on, because you have never answered the question of the day itself.

since then, you've admitted there were mistakes — you can imagine. cutting people's heads off is a form of torture. hamas committed widespread torture on the day. un organisations

and human rights bodies — 20,000 palestinians were killed between 2000 and 2023. mm. is a response to a suffocating sieae. .. , , ., and occupation for 76 years. dr naim, i'm asking you, though, hamas is not responsible for that. because if you are suffocating me, i am defending myself. to resort to these tools. that day was not about defence. ..among the dead

were a0 children. international law is the reference have the right to use armed tools... so it was acceptable to kill children? ..in order to defend themselves... to take babies hostage? no, it is not acceptable — again, we are a people under occupation. no—one is talking about them. international mainstream media,

are keeping silent professor dr salman al—dayah, at the hamas—affiliated islamic university, for what he called violating islamic principles and he said hamas had failed in its obligations iam not... i am not aware about your conversation but, again, i can accept that someone here or there

might criticise any behaviour of hamas, not only on october 7th — but, again, it is about the main track of this conflict. we are people under occupation. and oppressed our people for 75 years, and we have the right to defend our people by all means. and one of the consequences, of course, according to the palestinian ministry of health. much of gaza flattened — he said, "you're talking about probably "and we just clean out that whole thing. "it could be temporary.

without his involvement. and his fascist government. it was a genocide from one party against the other party. the so—called international humanitarian law and killed people without any limitations, to so—called international humanitarian law. by the western countries and by the western media for a long time. palestinians have one of three choices — or to be killed, or to live

as slaves under the occupation. we have decided, if we have only one of two choices, and committed a genocide. so, you have to bring him to accountability... have you come up with names for this government?

how to form a palestinian unity government. to form an independent technocratic body, or a committee to run gaza strip in all aspects, supported by all factions, and it has been accepted by all factions — and by the way, through the talks to the egyptians, we are aware that they have talked to other arabic countries, to the americans, to some western european countries, we are accepting this proposal

from mahmoud abbas. therefore, we are still today negotiating, our leadership today negotiating or a government to run the gaza strip. we are not ready... just to be clear... including the us, is on board with this egyptian proposal in the arabic...

islamic—arabic summit, are you saying there cannot be some form of peace in gaza with president mahmoud abbas in place? because palestinian people are struggling for their freedom and dignity and independence now for more than 100 years. including any movement,

would hamas renounce violence hamas is ready to convert itself into a political party and our military wing will be part of the palestinian national army — but this is when we achieve ourfreedom and independence,

look, again, sarah, you are asking a very, very hypothetical question. you are asking the victims who are oppressed and suffocated the jailer is talking clearly in front of the un, "for any political entity except israel," second, plo, which is the legitimate representative have recognised israel. what is the result after 30 years? basem. .. gaza is destroyed and separated. _

who have conquered everything. the people and everything — can you tell me, is there any condition for any people to have their own state? not only israel, any country? this is the genuine right of palestinians regardless of recognition of any country, not only israel. basem naim, thank you for coming on hardtalk. hello there. it's looking like thursday is going to be the sunniest day high pressure moving

in across the country. it will be a chilly start, though, with some frost, scotland and northern ireland, but it will stay largely dry scotland to the northern isles, with a few showers, to irish sea coast of both england and wales, but the vast majority will stay dry. so that's how thursday's shaping up. ointment for friday's weather. it will be cloudier with outbreaks of rain, and we will initially see some

snow on the hills of scotland, scotland into northern ireland, wales, south west england, where we could see ten degrees, otherwise, where it's cloudier, towards the southeast. be up to around ten degrees for belfast. at single digits after a chilly start, with some mist and fog sunday we start to see this weather front move in, start to fizzle out. but again to the east of it

will stay dry with some weather fronts bringing some rain, for example, on monday night into tuesday, high pressure, i think, week, with cold nights with some patchy mist and fog.

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