of virginia do know it flew out of virginia and this is a military in we understand 7 we understand the which we understand the training flight came but training flight came from but also heavily involved in what is termed as transfers and is termed as vip transfers and flights of military personnel. me 77 mejust j to so, let me just return to jeffrey thomas, gonsultant who has joined us as �*as tedag; as far as the geoff, investigation goes, geoff, what's already happened and what's already happened and what's to happen over the what's goingrterhappen ever the hours? what's goingrtorhappen eve - ~ m ~ what's goingrtorhappen eve - ~ what's geingrterhappen eve - ~ coming hours? welleegegeetet; the coming hours? weueegegeetethe - the american i coming hours? weueegegeetethe - the american crati ntsb, the american crash investigation body, they are investigationbody, they are investigationbody, they are in dc and based in washington, dc and right on the spot so they will have investigators there now, looking for evidence from the

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from the airlines fromithe american airlines , and they will also similar from similarfrom the similar from the black have similar from the black hawk as so i think be quite quickly able to together what " 7 togietheiriwhazt ii; 77 | n in this terrible tragedy. i think we actually have images _ tragedy. i think we actually have images of _ tragedy. i think we actually have images of the - tragedy. i think we actually have images of the type i have images of the type of aircraft that the model, that would have involved in wegtd have igreen, invatved in military flight is an this military flight is an american airlines flight and it amerieeh eirtihee {tight end. it flight 5342 amerieen eirtinee {tight end it flight 531i2 and this is a was flight 531i2 and this is a j was flight 531i2 and this is a 1700 was flight 531i2 and this is a j 700 which is from ci] 700 which is departed from cancers and had been coming cencere end hed been earning in reagan national to land at reagan national airport to land at 8:53 eireert dee te tend et 55? ” ' that fatal before that fatal media crash with a military helicopter, black hawk took place. for now, will 7 viiftfiafik w " vail thainkyoiuffl " w " i will say thank you, jeffrey thomas, steve me and

thomas, steve harriman me and steve, a chief national steve. e ehief netienet' ” with a voice of correspondent with a voice of america and is in itself. steve, what if its| us steve, what if its| us first e, what if its| us first on what if its| us first on thet if its| us first on the key you update us first on the key points in this story.— pointsin this story. . pointsin this story. . point right now as we have key point right now as we have no confirmation of any survivors, they are survivers, they ere diving from the sdrvivers, they ere diving from the district of teams from the district of columbia police department and the fire department have the fire department that have been on scene in the water for hours now but with the some hours now but with the of the water just tempereture of the'weter just above slightly above the freezing mark, you can survive mark, you can only survive in such a water for mark, you can only survive in such a waterfor up mark, you can only survive in such a water for up to 90 minutes maybe and we are now than three hours pastor's more than three hours pastor's accident, there were some local media reports earlier of four survivors pulled out of eervivere edited eet ef the f " "fl ' ' 77 there is absolutely no from that 7 ——— from that an7 confirmation from that and as you we are waiting

a news airport 77 airport to 77 airport to begin 6 airport to begin at 77 national airport to begin at any moment, the other infdrmeti'onthet we have is the plane split into two that the plane split into two in the water, very shallow water and the helicopter is upside down in the water and have ifneide d“— in the teeter 71.2.4--. ' ~ ,- .-,- have last -:".�*e dc" in the e�*e end. * ' " fl " ,- .-,- have last report, trheide d“— ih the teeter 71.2.4--. ' ~ ,- .-,- have last report, we divers have last report, we had, they have not been able to get inside helicopter, are some unconfirmed there are some unconfirmed reports again, is reports again, this is secondhand coming from your sources that 18 bodies have been as you know, been recovered as you know, there 60 on american airlines badged that american airlines badged flight crew of four and then that american airlines badged flight crew three r and then that american airlines badged flight crew three soldiers in that american airlines badged flight crew three soldiers on uhc j uhcig uhc 15 black hawk the uhc 16 black hawk helicopter. the uhc16 black hawk helicopter.— the uhc16 black hawk helicoter. �* , w' , helicopter. if; e? when can we helicopter.§ - when can we expect l steve, when can we expect or daybreak? and how sunrise or daybreak? and how

hours? r . , many hours? 2%*e* have flashes m usually have flashes up on my screen, are least screen, we are at leastsix. end half hours screen, we are at leestsix. end half hours before sunrise, we a half hours before sunrise, we do �*that is ground do know that there is a ground stop, no coming in or stop, no flights coming in or going out of reagan national geing eutefreegen metienei which is just outside airport which is just outside washington, dc until at elf essfiifigtfifi. bi; efitit sf. five a.m.. sf hesfiingen. e1; gm. s. five a.m.. rr , least five a.m.. just describe the area _ least five a.m.. just describe the area where _ least five a.m.. just describe the area where this - least five a.m.. just describe the area where this has - least five a.m.. just describe | the area where this has taken place because for a lot of viewers, we are seeing that viewers. we ere seeingthete . -, . is viewers. we ere seeingthete . -, . is lots of viewers. we ere seeingthete , -, , is lots of flights and there he [sets at fl'ahtssfid they on the lights they can see on the screen so we have reagan eereen ee we heve iteeeen" ' airport, we have the national airport, we have the river and we the nearby area itself, 7 area itself, just 7 area itself, just describe city area itself, just describe the area us, please, we've the area to us, please, we've got up that we on for you for our yieyyers screen for you for our viewers but just describe the logistics. @ z- t legietiee isjust south of

airport is just south of washington, dc in virginia and if you look at the water line there, the potomac river right there, the potomac river is in of is actually in the district of columbia which explains why you have the dc fire and police department in the water department divers inthe water the aircrafts are because the aircrafts are apparently in the of the apparently in the middle of the river and just to across river, you have east across the river, you have a base, there is a ; there but it's h helipad there but it's not a real active military base in of aircraft and this army terms of aircraft and this army helicopter that you black hawk helicopter that you mentioned on a mentioned was on a training flight coming from fort belvoir in virginia which is a little tovthe of where toéthe of where the is. if you talk to airport is. if you talk to pilots about reagan national, pilots about reagan natienat. is pilots about reagan national. is perhaps the busiest in the states in of landings and a very narrow corridor,

it's a very narrow corridor, professional pilots consider it to be one of the most sfi—f 22:— l airports to land at challenging airports to land at an takeoff from, just because 90 seconds, there is like 90 seconds, there is a plane taking off or coming in 7 aircraft, the 7 aircraft, the american ”it... 7 77 7 7777 raging. airlines bombardier flight was using airlines bombardierflight was using 1—way 33 approaching using 1—way 33 and approaching from the southeast, the busier from the southeastthe busier way there is one way one, one way there is one way one, the long runway and so this 1—way it's not used as 1—way33, it's not used as because it's for smaller often because it's for smaller aircraft this bombardier jroo j 700 obviously i we will cr] 700 obviously is. we will back cr] 700 obviously is. we will - back i you _ cr] 700 obviously is. we will - back . you later - cr] 700 obviously is. we will - back. you later but i come back to you later but thank you �* now, chief thank you for now, chief netieoal-e--. �* the voice for america, i will take through matthew capuchin lives in a 7lives7in7a7highirise77777 7' who lives in a high—rise building just across the site of the crash and matthew, i of the crash andjvietthew, i you sitting at your believe you are sitting at your desk now, what have you seen,

have you 7 have you heard ?7 7 have you heard ?7you're out have you he fact7, (ou're out have you he fact7, tell re out in the balcony, in fact, tell us what saw, where you us what you saw, where you heard and was going on right now, what can you see? just set the scene — now, what can you see? just set the scene for — now, what can you see? just set the scene for folks _ now, what can you see? just set the scene for folks who - now, what can you see? just set the scene for folks who are - the scene for folks who are unfamiliar this area, dc 77 dcis 7 7 7d7c7i7s7ri7gh7t777 7 dc is right over 7 is ic is right over 7 is a is right over isa is capitol75r 7 isa is capitol7and7 here, there is a us capitol and then only 2.5 kilometres to the then only sls k'dme�*es te the is reagan then only sls k'dme�*es to the is reagan national south is reagan national airport, i have never so crews at once, many emergency crews at once, lining both sides of the river and just ingest the past 30 — 40 and just ingest the past 30 — a0 minutes, i've seen even more influx of light out of the southin influx of light out of the south in the river as they dive through continual right there. they can even just barely see [hem imm- the river into downtown dc, more emergency crews so they working77 working on working77on the7 brid-e, travellin- part highway bridge, travelling part right there on the north side e— 7the runway and then 77the runway and then the of the runway and then the airport right now on entire eirport right now on ' ' ~ . ,,, sgfe�* river and on eastern side and additional the eastern side and additional i've never seen so the eastern side and additional crews, neverseen so the eastern side and additional crews, ne�* otheren so the eastern side and additional crews, ne�* otherthing many crews, the other thing that was really striking was that it was really striking was

when happened, i live in ru nway runway 33, high—rise building, runway 33, the flightpath takes place directly to building but 77 7 since 9:30, it's been silenced other than the sirens which we've been hearing again, we've been hearing non—stop throughout the evening. 0ne non—stop throughout the evening. one thing that's to mention, we've got important to mention, we've got from the air traffic control and this black hawk recordings and this black hawk was told to wait and helicopter was told to wait and pass behind the originaljet the psa airlines from cancers, it appears that did not happen, the other tricky as well, the other tricky thing as well, as their previous guest mention, the main runway is a north — south the north — south runway the parallels river and in this parallels are river and in this case, the aircraft was landing te== the eirerettwee'le’ndins’wwwww” a see: the eirsrett'wee'lendins” ” ' ' " " a southeastern see: the eirerett'wee'lendins” ” ' ' " " a southeastern northwest on a southeastern northwest ru nway on a southeastern northwest runway that is only a dedfifi�*slrflnfi�*se t“? if only a mile dedfifi�*slrflnfi�*se t“? e 77 only a mile long dedfifi�*slrflnfi�*se t“? if only a mile long so shorter, only a mile long so 1.21.3 kilometres because of “m that, they have to look around on the side of the river and then bang to left at the then bang to the left at the last and in doing so, in the commercial banking ,'the commercial likely would not have aircraft likely would not have seen this military helieoeter -.,-..-.-..--

in seen this military helieeeterr " ' in from the north, it tenants in “earths nfirthth” ww - military helicopter entering in “earths nfirthth” ww w military helicopter with 7 based on the based on the air e this passage in plain to allow this passage in plain to its landing on allow this passage in plain to 33, its landing on allow this passage in plain to 33, the its landing on allow this passage in plain to 33, the otheranding on allow this passage in plain to 33, the other question| allow this passage in plain to 33, the other question i runway 33, the other question i haveis runway 33, the other question i have is there is a thing called cars, traffic collision tea cars, traffic collision avoidance system but the one in the military flight, the flight was active helicopter flightrwasr—activoee --. re if helicopter flightrwasr—actiyeee --. .- if the helicopter flightrwasr—activoee eer .- if the pilot helicopter flightrwasr—actiyeee --. .- if the pilot on helicopter flightrwasr—activoee eer re if the pilot on either and if the pilot on either aircraft and was aircraft and wanting this was about to happen but devastating ”about to happen but devastating and what temperatures as seen and what temperatures as we've mentioned round — two we've mentioned round one — two degrees realistically if there were any survivors, it is 7that 7 77tha77t7 7mm; 1&7 7mm; still unlikely that they would still be alive at this moment given the temperatures but i'm the water temperatures but i'm a scientist, i'm on doing wonderfully false and bbc doing wonderfully false and i have to say weather was not a ighgayeto say weather was not a is not a single factor, there is not a single in the sky here, club in the sky anyway here, visibility has been great all club in the sky anyway here, visibility has been have all club in the sky anyway here, visibility has been have been 7so really whether was 7 so really whether was not fine so really whether was not a factor, this may not even be

in a traffic control issue, this have an encouragement this may have an encouragement whether military aircraft did 77fo7l7low7777 7 7 77fo7l7low77th7e7 7 7 7 7 other about of other directions about traffic controllers. traffic kimble”: to living under essentially traffic kimball“: living under essentially a likzezliving under essentially a path by living under a flight path by living under a commercialflight flight path by living under a commercial flight path but also " flight7 afggefilndhi bath 9:1 this 7 7 7 7 7 7 flight parts as 53355? “are bath 9:1 this 7 7 7 7 flight parts as we've so, ina so, in a high—rise but i heard so, in a high—rise but i that one of the understand that one of the flight parts, the leading parts 7parallel 7 77 7pa ra llel to 77 7parallel to a 77 7parallel to a major 77 7parallel to a major highway, is parallel to a major highway, what's it like living with that? i people comfortable or used to it? is there ever any nerves? ., ., ., used to it? is there ever any nerve down , ., ., ,., used to it? is there ever any nerve down most of the around 12:30 in the traffic around iezée'inthe ...7....... . so it traffic around iezée'inthe " ~ ~ ,- so it taper off at morningsorit taper off at the tapers off the and in 77and infact, 77 777 77and infact, now,7 77 7 night and in fact. right now; ever but you can hear not to ever but you can hear the wind behind me, the wind rustling behind me, one of the copper getting factors with this the winds coming out of 77 coming out of the 77 coming out of the north are coming out of the north right now which is why the regional were using that sort

77heast — 7southeast — north—western so they land into runway so they could land into the to maintain that left the wind to maintain that left as a land but to �* point, airspace here is very busy, the airspace here is very busy, we are planes off land so 77 land so one of 7 14.3.1, 07.175} it; 77 7 land so one of the more and land so one of the more unsettling been unsettling things has been that silence but i work as an 7 atmosphere in scientist, or are aviation metereologist are aviation and all pilots nodes and all pilots love mineralogy and that reason, mineratogy'and forthat'reason. chose this apartment so i i chose this apartment so i can be near the airport and us us and sit and watch the 7 with so moments are fathered; 7 7 warranties 7 7 7�*7with7f7riendsan7d r." 7 7 �* with friends and we try to peer with friends and we try to guess, they are going on guess where they are going on this fight, 5342 on this particularfight, 53a2 came from wichita at in came from wichiteet 5:22 in i work in which the evening and i work in which in turn frequently, that the flight would have taken fl'fiht infield has? {thsfiméfie and everyone fl'fii�*t fifi�*ild has? tfhsfifi�*f"? and everyone says one 77 sit close7 7 sit close7to 7 sit close7to hom7e sit close7to home but to things sit close to home but to at my bedroom and 7-7 this ih what a...” what7s7hould 7 77 this hi what7s7ho7uld 57; 7 77 77 7 this if? what7s7hould 57; the 77 see this in what should be the tightly airspace most tightly covered airspace and the country but

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here, we can see more emergency crews responding right now icrews responding right nowfrom west are as well so we have so many from so many 7 departments 77 departments whether be marilyn, virginia, it be marilyn, virginia, washington, dc, you're site in a section of so many about in a section of so many differentjurisdictions so differentjurisdictions are so many faults been many faults have been responding but we said to responding but as we said to see this, it's incredible but to the point we were =t the airspace here, discussing, the airspace here, it's so busy, summer takeoffs and there are 1649 00:14:30,704 --> 00:14:33,