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being an atmosphere weather, being an atmosphere scientist, so often when we go review what 77 7 " ”irei/iewwhathapperied back and review what happened after the incident, it a long time piecing together the time for piecing together the investigation, but we are was look at whether weather is a factor. even this early on, in faster. even. this early en. in ”mi ”"7'" faster. even. this early en. if!" ,. fl w ' it is pretty easy faster. even. this early en. if!" w w w ' it is pretty easy to faster. even. this early en. if!" w w w ' it was etty easy to faster. even. this early en. if!" w w w ' it was not easy to say lightning was not a contributing factor. the wind been light but manageable, 2a; been light but manageable. further south ba; been light but manageable. further south to north ba; been light but manageable. furthe of >uth to north configuration of landing. visibility been great. we visibility has been great. we have had very clear i have had very clear skies. i seen single cloud in ghaven't gene—single cleud in visibility was not an the sky. visibility was not an issue. that portion of the investigation will be a investigation will likely be a quick one and instead it will shift more towards did shift more towards what did air control say, how traffic control say, how did two aircraft end up on the same path? it is very early say, and we to to say, and we don't want to speculate, but we say that traffic control did clear traffic i to trol did clear traffic i to land iid clear traffic i to land from ear this plane to land from which up. the collision
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it up. the collision occurred only 60 seconds before it only about 60 seconds before it would have touched down at the airport, which is essentially eifegft; ghish is; ====flflehg”www" all eifegft; sshish is: 5eesn2§ieii§" ' " " all the victims�* why all the victims�* families were at airport to pick up. twice, air traffic them up. twice, air traffic control side to the military centre! side to the military ~ —— . do you cehtret eide te the neititerv ~ —— . do you have a helicopter, do you have a visual this commercial visual of this commercial essentially, proceed aircraft? essentially, proceed behind that plane once the plane in for a we �*that �* that something went know that something went terribly wrong. there will be investigators piecing together exactly what air traffic side, what both pilots control side, what both pilots did was not piece did was not the other piece of the puzzle, and i know the 555515 aha! ! tihheh “155 been tee eeeele eee ! eheee heefe been of on news channel night the news channel all night long, was tcas z= z traffic collision being the traffic collision avoidance system. if all else essentially, the human fails, essentially, the human element, if someone makes a mistake, is technology on mistake, there is technology on board these aircraft are essentially like the aircraft talk to each other in an automated at first, automated way. at first, tcas will come on and basically say,
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hey, other aircraft in the if there not area. if there is not an immediate response from either area. if there is not an in both ate response from either area. if there is not an in both pilots, jonse from either area. if there is not an in both pilots, tcas from either area. if there is not an in both pilots, tcas willn either or hethpilets, teas will make that decision the pilots say one of pull up, move right. the 7 go down, 77 go down, move 7 go down, mov; left. 5 go down, mov; left. we gbggg. go down. move left. we �*that gbggg. go down. move left. we �* that tcas was likely on know that teas was likely an and in the board and functioning in the american flight, but american airlines flight, but was it in the military aircraft? was it in the was it in the military aircraft? v helicopter? we don�*t blackhawk helicopter? we don�*t know yet, but is only the blackhawk helicopter? we don�*t know yet, bu will )nly the blackhawk helicopter? we don�*t know yet, bu will )nly 1 to look investigation will have to look into down the road. it will be long time before we a long time hefare we really the granularity a long time before we really the granularity of understand the granularity of what happened. this is news with of the conti noing coverage of the news continuing coverage of the news from washington mm ”assener -lane has where a passenger plane has collided a military
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cellided with"a"h1ilitan§"' ' ' overnight. an helicopter overnight; an ~ ~ flight american airlines flight in medicare a collided in medicare with a helicopter in washington, dc, both crashed into the potomac river and that�*s what we�*re looking at, the rescue operation under way with around emergency in mode, we are mofie, we are told rescuemode. we aretold actually difficult, ”mdtfinf aftea'h! dffflelte . h w e—w—m — —— ————— dark, “mite“ aftea'h! d“=s“'h h h hh hhhhhhhh h hh hhhhh dark, ice on the windy, dark, ice on the river, to give information on the to give you information on the plane itself, the american plane itself. the american ' " ' " flight was coming from kansas, 60 wichita, kansas, carrying 60 passengers and four crew wichita, kansas, carrying 60 passenger: the i four crew wichita, kansas, carrying 60 passenger: the military aw members, the military helicopter had four us army soldiers on board. cbs news has reported bodies have been reported 18 bodies have been recovered but official recovered but no official update on casualties. this update on any casualties. this collision happened on approach ru nway 33 runway 33 at to runway 33 at reagan washington nationally airport
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to runway 33 at reagan washin 9pm nationally airport to runway 33 at reagan washin 9pm local ially airport to runway 33 at reagan washin 9pm local time. irport around 9pm local time. to the federal according to the federal aviation administration. us president donald trump has been president donald—tramp hashheen he has briefed, reacting, he has been briefed, called it a terrible accident, thanked emergency responders ; their the|r |ncred|ble w ”£52; inei’gjilizszrif w for their incredible work. wees getting some we�*rejust getting some in we�*re just getting some in the cnn information in the riots cnn moment before the crash information in the riots cnn air—trafficit before the crash information in the riots cnn air—traffic controllerie crash information in the riots cnn air—traffic controller can �*ash and air—traffic controller can heard asking the helicopter if it has the american airlines �*jet, seconds later bessehgerjet. secehee lets-”h h happened. the the collision happened. the audio has been published live a site focuses on 13ng ggite that focuses; on; communications for aviation communications for than 1200 airports. it has more than 1200 airports. it has not been verified by the bbc, it is being talked about on the network. the audio does not n: toork. the audio does not n: to include audio does not n: to include anyiio does not n: to include any response ot eeeeerte include ehv reeeehsehhhhhh hh hh h the helicopter to the from the helicopter to the warnings from air—traffic control. this is the first major us commercial air crash since 2009.
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good to have you in the you have been 77 developments on watching the developments on the last few tu the last few hours. tu what have here? happened here? it is a fairly ical happened here? it is a fairly typical dense _ happened here? it is a fairly typical dense control- typical dense control situation. a of traffic in the it is quite in the i 55 icaircraft: such ; �* aircraft such as icaircraft: such as the ; us for aircraft such as the helicopter to be given clearances avoiding clearances visually avoiding other aircraft. clearances visually avoiding otheraircraft. it clearances visually avoiding other aircraft. it is less “he ace“ !t we“ “a“ quite honestly. there ideal. quite henestly; th’ete"”"” been midair have been previous midair collisions, i think it 5a}; , san diego in the 19705 weeehw?, very very similar they put in
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happened. they put in procedures to prevent it. it is very hard to why the very hard to understand why the pilot of the helicopter was z—z to avoid the aircraft unable to avoid the aircraft and has your wsaid, he tcas 7 said, the tcas system guest said, the tcas system might have or it�*s quite e: -=2 77 the helicopter didn�*t possible the helicopter didn�*t have it. a possible the helicopter didn't have it. . have it. explain a little more about how — have it. explain a little more about how the _ have it. explain a little more about how the tcas - have it. explain a little more about how the tcas system | ' how," ' ' how,” 7 this worked and how. why this system not had it. it worked and how. why this svst .. not muff, : might not have had it fit on airliners and a standard fit on airliners and a helicopter may not be working in the same kind of environment. tcas is basically a system which is a transponder talks to air—traffic that talks to air—traffic control and nowadays it =4—e —— z talks to all 2 talks to all the talks to allthe other actually talks to all the other aircraft around you. when you are sitting on the flight that have e— j the aircraft are. you where the aircraft are. if you where the aircraft are. if you get, if any aircraft gets within the envelope, the tcas system considers to unsafe
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77viiisd7vi5; 77 7 77 77 7 77w7il7l7a7d7vis7e an” 77 7 will gins; an pilots7 7will advise both pilots to avoiding action to ensure they go in the opposite direction. i wouldee a direction. i would suspect a military aircraft won�*t have that fitted. military aircraft won't have that fitted.— military aircraft won't have that fitted. ~ , a, _ that fitted. when you say we will advise _ that fitted. when you say we will advise pilots _ that fitted. when you say we will advise pilots to - that fitted. when you say we will advise pilots to take - will adviserilots to take measures to a what is is a collision, what is it? is it a voice, what does voice, is it beeping, what does it do? it voice, is it beeping, what does it do? , ;, ;, ; it actually do? it is a voice it actually do? it is a voice it will it actually do? it is a voice - it will see _ it actually do? it is a voice - it will see and - it actually do? it is a voice - it will see and you - it actually do? it is a voice j - it will see and you will and it will see and you will see this visually the see thisvisually on; the it will tell you and screen, it will tell you and you on later advise you on later versions tell you to turn left or right, tell youtotturn; left or right, is an effective it is an extremely effective system and have no doubt it has many incidents. in
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eventuality7that is at the eventuality that is at midair collision the midaircollision and the is some way able the plane. 7 7 the plane. what 7 7 control the plane. what happens? we have all been on a plane and gone through the plane andgone through the procedures, is the emergency procedures, is the pilot able to, depending on the of the plane, you think state of the plane, you think they are able to it in it's impossible to tell anyway? fgfie this sta . e. anyway? fgfie this state. one must ammui i this stage. one must assume at this stage. one must assume not given the outcome. i would have thought would be hate theught it waiuta' tie’ ’ to recover, hate theught it tte'ute ”ee’ ’ to recover, but we difficult to recover, but we have no idea what of the have no idea what part of the aircraft are helicopter; s; with. terms jg terms an investigation? in terms of an investigation? still a rescue effort under way, 300 emergency at the site, we are responders at the site, we are in rescue mode.
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told in rescue mode. what will those involved the those involved with the investigation be doing? they, won't they7 will they, won�*t they will always do, most important always do, the most important thing is the recovery of any 7 —77 - survivors; sadly it deeee�*t h terribly hopeful. survivors; sadly it deese�*t h terribly hopeful. they lock terri—hly hopeful; they start very slowly piece by will start very slowty'p'ie'ce by putting the jigsaw th77ey wi7ll77obviously together. they will obviously be listening to the air—traffic control tapes. they will look at reruns of the scenario with the and then they the controllerstand then they be trying to will be eventually trying to recover both aircraft in order to get an idea of where they wear and how came both wear and how this came about. �* . , both wear and how this came about. �* ; , , ; about. ??hweehee hhhhhhh ; h aviation m about ??hweehee hhhhhhh ; h aviation m about ??hweehee hhhhhhh h h aviation those who have for'aviation'and those who have ones for'aviatio'n'and those who have ones the plane, on the loved ones on the plane, on the helicopter desperately waiting news, which we have very for news, which we have very little at the moment. thankfully, these of are very rare, it is
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crashes are very rare, it is first major the first major us commercial air crash since 2009. it is air crash since 2009. it is rare nowadays, _ air crash since 2009. it is rare nowadays, i- air crash since 2009. it is rare nowadays, i used - air crash since 2009. it is rare nowadays, i used to | air crash since 2009. it is i rare nowadays, i used to see late nowadays, i used;to see to the was the driving to the airport was the dangerous part of my day. most dangerous part of my day. 0bviously america very busy most dangerous part of my day. 0bv there america very busy most dangerous part of my day. 0bv there a the ca very busy most dangerous part of my day. 0bv there a the attitude, busy most dangerous part of my day. 0bv there a the attitude, we ;y a lot of aircraft crammed get a lot of aircraft crammed into a space and that can to problems. we really lead to problems. we really our lead to problems. we really _ your time - lead to problems. we really _ your time and i 77 7 thank you for being expertise, thank you for being with us. let�*s carry on looking at these live pictures coming into us from scene, an into us from the scene; an " ; w .; w w w search into us from the scene; an ;; ; w .; w w w search rescue extensive search and rescue under way on the operation under way on the potomac river, late into the night in washington, dc, chief has emergency services chief has these conditions are warned'these'conditions are rough saying there is little 7 7 7 77777l7itt7l7e777l7ight77 7 7 7 7 77777l7ittl7e77l7ightj7th7e7 7 7 very left little light, the likely conceals from emergency ;;,;;; ,,,,,,;, seeeaeceeeses “cane uehelyefi ; rescue temperatures.;rescue workers been seen
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as”, 7o7f77 a”, a; s, a, 7o7f7the7777 77 77 77 atthatahthtgréiat 7o7f7the7 tahthtgréiatfliuht broke 77 broke up 77 broke up in 77 broke up in a: 77we that broke up in the water. we are too far away to see that are too fanawayto see that it is more on bbc news but it is more on the bbc news website as well. all airport entrances are closed, the entrances are closed. the close until 11 this gigqgrtglose until 11 this local time. that could morning; local tiffié;"l7'i“t§t could pushed back as search be pushed back as the search and rescue efforts continue. p and feseue effefts continue; f " " have cbs lease officials have told cbs news that 18 bodies have been but no official recovered but no official update on casualties while a update on casualties white'a' ' was carrying commercial plane was carrying passengers, 60 passengers, four crew members and three us army we re were on the soldiers were on board the helicopter. military helicopter. the wreckage came down over the river 77 river the approach 7 7777777 approach to runway happened on approach to runway at reagan 33 at reagan washington nationals airport around 9pm hatiehal= alteertareuhefiem time. it was an american local time. it was an american
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airlines flight that collided in medicare with this helicopter. we have had reports cnn are re-cortin moments that enn are repo�*rting'n�*toments this before this crashing air—traffic controller can be mam-z- heard asking the helicopter if it has the american airlines if. bee eee fifiefiiefi; fiiflifiee �*jet if. bee eee fifiefieefi; fiiflifiee �*jet another passenger jet insight: another given by the 7 7 control control in seconds eifzefefiie eeeefel ifi; eeeeeee �* the eifzefefiie eefiifel ifi; eeeeeee �* the happened they are this 7which77 77 7which7focus77es which focuses on website which focuses on aviation communications for 77 tha7h777 7 77 thahizoo 77 thah 5505.50}? 77 thah 1726675505577 77 thah izooahlaottéait more than 1200 airport so it has not been verified by the bbc but it does to has not been verified by the bbc bu any oes to has not been verified by the bbc bu any response to has not been verified by the bbc bu any response from to has not been verified by the bbc bu any response from the inctude e" roe-"we fro"- the w w h w whww w to w'lde a" e':"'e fo'“ the w w h w www w to the w'lde a" etc-"e fo'“ the w w h w www w to the from helicopter to the warnings from control. we have air—traffic control. we have had a reaction from air—traffic control. we have hac ceo reaction from air—traffic control. we have hac ceo of reaction from air—traffic control. we have hac ceo of reaci airlines. air—traffic control. we have hac (justf reaci airlines. air—traffic control. we have hac (just listen reaci airlines. sorrow about these events.
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and our efforts now are focused entirely we�*re cooperating fully with the national and will continue to provide all the information we can. 0ur cooperation is without pause, and we want to a very difficult situation the 300 or so emergency responders desperately for any survivors. searching foranysuryivors; it been reported elsewhere has oeen reported elsewhere there are fatalities but that there are fatalities but that there are fatalities but that has not actually been confirmed by officials. cbs confirmed at; officials;'eee ' ' ” reporting 18 bodies news reporting 18 bodies have been 60 been recovered. some 60 on the commercial passengers on the commercial airline, �* crew passengers on the commercial airline, �*crew members and us army 7 7 77u§7arht7y77s7ataiéé7777 77 us army soldiers on three us army soldiers on board
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the us army a desperate’ttait’for’those on the we heard board the plane, we heard from the husband of lady the american7 7777777777777s7aying saying he is just saying he isjust for flight saying he is just for and hoping that his wife been rescued. been rescue77d. extremely time for 7 time for all of them.77 difficult timeuforallof thern; we wait for news we know as we wait for news we know some relatives have headed to some relatives haveheaded to airport some relativeshayesheaded to airport but don�*t have the airport but we don�*t have any more information at the moment as whether have moment as to whether they have been briefed and latest and those search and rescue efforts. president trump has been reacting. he posted a on his true social in it he said, "the aeroplane was on a perfect and for an extended period of time." "were blazing, why didn�*t the helicopter go up or down or turn?" "why didn�*t the control tower tell the helicopter he said, "this is
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a bad situation that looks like it should have been prevented." "not good!!!" all of those. so, need answered all of those. --- need answered and on the 77 on the scene and the are on the scene and on the eee page we can see newsline page we can see pictures, images, closershots pictures; images; closer shots . . the wreckage pictures; irnages; closer shots . . the wreckage of pictures; images; closer shots . . the wreckage of the plane of the wreckage of the plane with the commercial plane in pieces also upturned pieces and also the upturned fuselage of the helicopter as hearing about the 300 or well. hearing about the 300 or so and talking a so responders and talking a little bit earlier to matthew kikuchi. he said within minutes the were on scene it is to the air-ort that have those people7 on and we those people7 on and boats those people7on and boats able e people7 on and boats able to ieople7 on and boats able to go jle7 on and boats able to go out>n site andwhoats afie to go out the potomac river to into the potomac river to continue or certain starters rescue efforts. cbs news
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rescue efforts; cos hews ” ' ” 18 bodies had been reporting 18 bodies had been but no official recovered but no official update on casualties at the moment. really difficult time for those out as part of rescue efforts, people on those rescue efforts, people on boats, divers searching the those rescue efforts, people on boats, divers searching the water we water which we understand is waterwhich weunderstand is actually too but not actually too deep but not actually too deep but extremely difficult to see, it extremely difficult to dark, 7 dark7, very 7 not actually too deep but extre dark, iifficult to not actually too deep but extre dark, verlet to not actually too deep but dark7, very we7 extre dark, very cold. we were dark7, very we were [m1 pitch dark, very cold. we were [mama also hearing that the 77 cold would conditions being so cold would eefieitiefie eeifie ee eele fieele be very difficult to survive very eefieitiefie eeifie ee eete fieele very difficult to survive in. let�*s show you more about let�*s show more about search and rescue, the the search and rescue, the the search and rescue, the latest images we have had from latest images we have had from the scene. this first one scene. in this first latest images we h can see blue lights of you can see the blue lights of one i the you can see the blue lights of one �*the boats being used by one of’thetoats oeino’u’sed lot rescuers one of’thetoats oeing’u’sed ioy rescuers and also one of’thetoats oeino’u’sed lot rescuers and also can the rescuers and also can see part of the clearly see part of the broken in the wreckage broken up in the emergency services water. emergency services chief has warned if are has warned if conditions are extremely as we were extremely rough as we were talking there. in the 7 7 picture 7 77? 7777777777 77 777 7 7 pictu7reyou 7 77? 7777777777 77 777 picture you can see some
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second picture you can see some of the in people on
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