know aweay frgm landing, we, know, 7 ,, w 77 w ,,, ,,, control were air—traffic control were out to the helicopter n than 7 7 7 ”1 than they 7 7 ”1 than theyhéd 7 ”1 than they had viéuals to ask than if they had visuals on the plane. what can you tell us about strand of the us about that strand of the i say investigation? isay,, the focus investigation? isav,, the focus is on investigation, the focus is on rescue efforts now, but lots 77 lots of 7 obviously lots of people trying to work out very quickly what wrong. a lot of unanswered questions at this point about what led to this. there was some audio at this point about what led to this. ther online ome audio at this point about what led to this. ther online that audio at this point about what led to this. ther online that could be published online that could be from the from published online that could be froi air|e from published online that could be froi air traffic from published online that could be froi air traffic control from published online that could be froi air traffic control tower “om . at. n , ,, : atsthe 7 7 7 : atztheairport 7 7 : atzthe airport with those and that :——— involved. could have were involved. there could have been some attempts to out been some attempts to reach out to helicopter saying, "do to the helicopter saying, "do have a visual? do you plane that is nearby?" we the plane that is nearby?" we can't confirm the veracity or know the know whether the conversation took place, but we know there

some communication, or was some communication, or attempted at least, to get in touch with the military aircraft. otherwise, it is still unclear, but what we do know the footage we have know from the footage we have seen, it appears as though this was going to be fairly normal was going to be a fairly normal with that aircraft landing with that aircraft approaching the runway here. and it appears that the military helicopter was not in the right j will will all be place. this will all be obviously as this investigated obviously as this story continues. but what we investigated obviously as this story�* now nues. but what we investigated obviously as this story�* now n| this but what we investigated obviously as this story�* now n| this is t what we investigated obviously as this story�* now n| this is stillat we know now is this is still very much an investigation, much an active investigation, trying to put those details even as there are together, even as there are hundreds of people still combing the icy river and trying to get a sense of whether the 64 people the plane, the three crew on "t l�*:" 24-5; "jr-2 24-5; 24-52; ' ' " " crew on board the military crew on board the helicopter, whether any of them helicepter, whether any of them heljgeter whether anv. |�*|| 7 thank you very much. moment, thank you very much. let's what we �* about situation and around

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many other agencies are andmeny ether agencies are in their andrrnany ether agencies are in their teams as well. trump has the president trump has thanked the emergency responders for what president trump has thanked the emergen their ponders for what president trump has thanked the emergen their incredible rwhat we can hear that sorrow about these events. this is a difficult day for all of us at american airlines and our efforts now are focused entirely on the needs of our along with their families and loved ones. we're cooperating fully with the national transportation safety board in its investigation and will continue to provide all the information we can. dc, and i'll be heading there shortly as well.

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traffic control expert. thank you very much forjoining us on bbc news today. from what you can tell about yee can tett abec't this so far, what are your vac-can . sofar,wha ., m early thoughts? the tragic incident. _ early thoughts? the tragic incident, the _ early thoughts? the tragic incident, the airport - early thoughts? the tragic incident, the airport is - early thoughts? the tragic| incident, the airport is very busy at that time of night. and multiple landings and take—offs. a clear night, because there is a lot of video from cameras around about the

airport which show it be a airport which show it to be a clear and there is also which actuall looks as a video which actually looks as though it may have captured the 77 collisio7n. so actual collision. so visibility was unlikely to been it7sounds like, from problem. it sounds like, from the audio that has been released, it is unofficial audio, so that obviously has to be verified, but the pilots, american airlines on the american airlines and on the american airlines and on the black helicopter, were the etecls hawk. heticeeter'. were with same cemmeniceting with the’s’em’e’ ’” ”w the tower controller, the tower controller, the tower controller at airport. so centretter at the aireert. se was centretter at the sires-rt; se was all centretter at the aireert; se was all set up be that was all set up to be pretty indeed pretty safe and indeed dermal. suppose the question that i suppose the question that comes is, when the comes to mind is, when the helicopter was told about the

aeroplane on the and wa nted wanted to manoeuvre he wanted to visually manoeuvre around behind it, he around behind it, did he actually have the right insight? it aeroplane insight? it is that i have come something that i have come across quite a few times in career, and about eer, and about eer, aero-lane confusion about what aeroplane you are actually talking about yeu are actually talking abea�*t have come yeu are actually talking abeut have come into that. but may have come into that. but the will be well the investigation will be well way at the moment. the investigation will be well - way at the moment. under way at the moment. that is a really _ under way at the moment. that is a really interesting _ 77 that 7 77 that you7 7 77 that you7pose — the question that you pose — the pilot of the �* have pilot of the helicopter have the right aeroplane insight? because the traffic could the sfifitfellsrtfiuie�*ififii a nd o n sfifitfellsrtfiuie�*ififii and on two are and we have a m essa 9 es m essa g es of 7777m7e77s7s7ag7e7s7of7th7is7,77 7 7777m7e77s7s7ag7e7s7of7th7is7,7th7e air 777507550171;5r77th7is7,77th7e air 77777c7o777ri'7c77rol7ler a7s77ks757,7th7e air traffic controller asks the helicopter crew, you a

helicopter crew. "do you have a on this aircraft?" visual on this aircraft?" and then a second time, "that you have insight?" and then the crash happened just so 7 so preside7nt trump later. so president trump opposes in his truth social the 777 7 the question, 7 7 the question, "why 7 the question, "why did air post the question, "why did air traffic control ask, you traffic control ask, "do you have a visual? why didn't they tell the crew of helicopter tell the crew of the helicopter to move in one direction or are your on 7 777o7n7tha7t 27:7 7 with res-ect, president point? wi??? is not a trained trump is not a trained investigator, and there are ,...§..,,,c.,..c , , , 7777i>i7aeaai7e777777 7 7 7 "”;r'.;...;r'.’w'h.;” 7 7 7 7777of7people7whowill 7 7 7 "”;r'.;...;r;w'r.;.rir be 7 7 7 :e very very relevant asking very relevant professional questions, very good professionals are good professionals who are in this incident. the that aeroplanes are americans do separated, the americans do differently from europe. things differently from europe. so it is unfairfor me to make pronouncement who any pronouncement about who was right or who was wrong or

what it was that doing. but they more were doing. but they are more flexible the use of flexible with the use of aerospace and we would probably be in the uk. not to say that thatis be in the uk. not to say that that is unsafe, it is just different from what we do. and it sounded the air traffic it sounded like the air traffic tower operator asked control tower operator asked a very when very reasonable question when traffic information ze_ 77 h7elicopter, which was, the helicopter, which was, priority air flight. drieritv air transee't flight — ,. — were drieritv air transee't flight— — ,. — were told it was out of lan-ley. so i flight out of langley. so i don't know who was on board, but i'm that the crew e -m% crew 77 belooking 77 7t7he7ywould777 77 7 77 7 77 7t7h7e7y wouldbe 77 7 77 7 77 7t7h7e7y wouldbe {0137 7 77 7 77 7t7h7e7y wouldbe game; 7 eut they weuld be teld where 7 77 m, .. c e traffic eul they weuld be teld where 7 77 m, .. c , traffic is, and eul they weuld be teld where — —— ———— ~ r— — traffic is, and they would the traffic is, and they would look to position themselves behind the aeroplane or away it. so that is the area

from it. so that is the area that springs immediately —e for investigation, 7 for investigation, because mind for investigation, because everything else seems to have been running as you would have expected, the safeguards were eee’ec�*tedg'the safeguards were were ese'ectsdg'the safeguards were were talking ese’ectedg'the safeguards were were talking to the peofile-c eezw; s: sws people. was an air same people. there was an air traffic control system, albeit was giving advice perhaps to hel7icopt77er rather the helicopter pilot rather than a firm instruction. we would that probably in would separate that probably in the uk, whereas in the the uk. whereas in the american there is more system, there is more flexibility in the allowed 7to 7 7 allowed 7to operate7 allowed 7to operate 7by 77 7i7ts7elf777 77 7i7ts7elf7fr7om77 77 7i7ts7elffrom7th7e7 separating itself from the other aircraft on the final approach. 50 other aircraft on the final approach-— other aircraft on the final aaroach. , :, ,, :, : approach. sscsrff "w than approach. sgcsrff "w than a approach. 753:st "w than a firm approach. gzgigflefse—ju'!§ - than a firm instruction. have also heard a lot toda we have also heard a lot today about this traffic collision avoidance system. correct me if i'm wrong, basically, �* human i'm wrong, basically, if human judgment, so the pilot and judgment, so the pilot and judgment, doesn't see crew's judgment, deesn't see

the problem sufficiently what the problem is and order to take evasive is and order to takeevasive tcas comes action, this tcas system comes into to tell into play to automatically tell them to take whatever action is appropriate. there have been questions about whether some questions about whether the helicopter had it is the helice’eter’ had it’. it is that the the helicddter had it’. it is that the aeroplane, presumed that theaerdplane, passenger had it, but we don't know if the helicopter had it. would it be typicalfor helicopter to have the a helicopter to have the tcas on board? . is system an: beard ? the system en'iadardf the biggest system an beard? the biggest safety probably the biggest safety improvement in aviation that has happened in decades. it has been responsible �*saving been responsible for saving really difficult situations. it is a marvellous system that works incredibly well. the works incrediblywell. the airlines aeroplane works incrediblywell. the have rlines aeroplane works incrediblywell. the have been. aeroplane works incrediblywell. the have been fully rplane would have been fullyequipped the crew would have been it and it 7 77 7 7itand7it7w7o7ul7d777 7 7 77 7 7it and7it7w7o7ul7d7have trained on it and it would have been a serviceable, because have been mandatory that would have been mandatory for the operation of that 777 7 7 intowa7shington7 7 7 into washington airport.

flight into washington airport. the military helicopter i don't the military helicopter i don't �*what the military helicopter i don't �* what the the military helicopter i don't �*what the setup is. don't know what; the setup'is. i don�*t the configuration of know what the configuration of that black hawk it may not that black hawk was. it may not have tcas at all. in which -e—— the american airlines, 2—7 7 of having 7 7 of having a 7 7 of having a command of having a command to instead of having a command to or descent, it may have climb or descent, it may have just given traffic information just qiuen traffic informatiee— — ~— ~—— — : other pilots would just giuen traffic informatiee— — ~— ~—— — : other pilots would be where other pilots would be looking where the other aircraft was.— looking where the other aircraft was. ~ :, aircraft was. we must leave it there, aircraft was. we must leave it there. but _ aircraft was. we must leave it there, but thank _ aircraft was. we must leave it there, but thank you - aircraft was. we must leave it there, but thank you very - aircraft was. we must leave it i there, but thank you very much. maclean, air traffic doug maclean, air traffic control expert, thank you for your will you . to . to our 7 to our other 7 7 to our other breakihg back to our other breaking story today, the scene in story today, the scene there in khan younis in the south of gaza, where we are waiting on the release we understand, the release of, we understand, two more israeli hostages who have been held, not by hamas by islamic 7 by islamichhad. 7

by islamichhad. b7ut part but by islamichhad. but part of that group of hostages taken on the 7th of october 2023. earlier, we saw a large convoy of vehicles arriving with standing on of �*those �* those flatbed trucks. some of those flatbed trucks. huge crowds running alongside the as they arrived in area. our 7 area.7 ourmiddle 7 area.7 our middle east this area, our middle east” ”use use. yolande this area, our middle east” wee—e ”e— yolande knell was correspondent yolande knell was explaining earlier, it has a lot of significance for hamas because it is to the home because it is close to the home of the former hamas leader yahya sinwar was killed by yahya sinwar who was killed by israeli forces. in the last few israeli ferses: in the last fear .: ~ .. this is a group of uw group7of vehicles, a smaller group of has been to vehicles, has been arriving to this area a huge crowds this area where a huge crowds have gathered, standing on top of the rubble to get a vantage of the rubble to getayantage some them doing point. some of them doing that, others at ground level. you can ethers at areuhd leyel: yeu cart ~ :~ : satellite trucks as well

ethers at areuhd leyel: yeu cart ~ :~ : mediate trucks as well ethers at areuhd leyel: yeu cart ~ :~ : media gathers as well ethers at areuhd leyel: yeu cart ~ :~ : media gather to is well ethers at areuhd leyel: yeu cart ~ :~ : media gather to capture the media gather to capture what is about to unfold. a what is about to unfold. just a reminder that this is the first of the we are about the first phase talking about the first phase still. that is due last 49 and within that, days, and within that, there have number of releases have been a number of releases hostages already. a of hostages already. and a little earlier today, in a different part of the gaza strip, we �*the 20—year—old soldier agam berger israeli soldier-agam berger she israeli soldie—ragam berger she is now back in being freed. she is now back in israel. i'm not �*we can quickly show 7 quickly show you the very quickly show you the picture of herfamily picture of her family watching her release. we will try to pull that picture up for you if can. these are we can. these are herfriends, this is a different picture. these are �*friends im- celebrating her release. we will try to you the will try to bring you the photograph of her parents watching her release. but let's

go back to khan younis for the because we are waiting moment. because we are waiting to see if these and to see if these vehicles, and we have not able we have not been able to positively them yet, positivelyidentify them yet. they do belong to the if they do belong to the red cross. because if they do, we can't see the sides we can't can't see the sides “(we sent ~ whether they carrying the see whether they carrying the markings of the international 7 7the 7 7 the red cross, if are, that would indicate they are, thatiweuld indicate we getting close that we are getting very close to the at which the next to the point at which the next hostages will freed. in this hostages will be freed. in this case islamichhad, as i the? ther;r 2b=year=aid said. they are 29—year—old yehud. it was thought as arbel yehud. it was thought as civilian, a civilian, a civilian, a female civilian, she would be freed earlier. but she would'be freed earlier. but looks like it is happening it looks like it is happening today. and then as well as arbel yehud, 80—year—old gaddy

moses —— gadi moses, who is the first israeli hostage to freed 77 freed in 77 freed in this 77 7 77fr7e7ed7i7n t7hi7s7fi7rs7t77 freed in this first phase be freed in this first phase the ceasefire and the oldest to both 7777 7 7to7 7 77 77777both arbel 7and 77and gadi moses "mina agar macias 77and gadi moses lived in yehud and gadi moses lived in the same area when they were taken on the 7th 2023. sees a very very closely, as we watching very closely, as we see civilians, we see islamic jihad the flags of both islamic the hamas and islamichhad, the green and black flags flying. try 7 green and black flags flying. try to work out of the to try to work out of the vehicle, and to try to workout of the vehicle, and r7 can to try to workout of the vehicle, and r’ can see one in vehicle, and you can see one in top right hand corner the top right hand corner of the top right hand corner of the are a couple the screen, there are a couple more it, �*these indeed of vehicles belonging to are of vehicles belonging to the red cross. we have been you a little earlier telling you a little earlier w w www ww w w the telling you a little earlier w w wwww ww w w the very careful about the very careful arrangements that the red cross

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