period 77 period where 77 period where there 77 in a period where there is increasing flight increasing commercial flight demand and i �* it is demand and i know it is difficult to talk about that right now but i think if you right now butrl think, if yau to next couple look forward to the next couple of months, i suspect authorities will be eutherltmwu�*es lee'én�*a and eutherltmwu�*es leek"?! and more into eutherltmwu�*es lee'én�*a and more into that and more and more into that and certainly one of the conversations when you go to to airlines within talk to airlines ceos within the industry, they will say is more? technology 7 more? technology that there more technology that could potentially be used to try and issue rfincrieas’inglyi ’ increasingly? ”gags?” of increasingly busy skies. michelle, you much for that. michelle indeed for that. michelle fleury in new a little fleury in new york. a little earlier, i earlier. ispgke ts} qavié ~ a gaglicr. 1 smoke to david former gaglicr. l, spoke to david former military butler, a former military helicopter pilot and we spoke about how he believes this accident could have mm helicenter perspective. it is e , hawk helicppter perspective. it is e , hawk helicopter helicppter perspective. it is e . hawk helicopter which is black hawk helicopter which is the standard us military transport but there is a whole range of variations. tinge of different variations. correspondent gave a your correspondent gave a really insight into the

really good insight into the congested nature of that airspace and is very, very airspace and it is verv verv — +—~——— —— f.“ is controlled, airspece epci it is very, very controlled, class b which means . m which meansthat airspace which means that everything is under air—traffic however, the river is control. however, the river is a transit for helicopters it is likely the military se it is. tiestif'ths'ptititefif " helicopter was flying training helicopter was flying along the putter and have under 77 under what visual ' rvjisuzaliflight 7 étééfrgif' 1'%5 j? 3: that eziéet’rs. that although potomac. that means although they are under atc control, they are under atc control, they have to maintain visual they heve te peeipteierviseeet——— w— , . ———— other aircraft contact with other aircraft around and take mtgviggat'ound and take .. . .. as necessary avoidance as necessary whereas the airliner flight was on the eirtiher ftiahtvszéleq'l-ves en. ~ ~ . ~ , flight rules and so instrument flight rules and so therefore was in control therefpre was in tptel cpntrp�*t air traffic therefpre was in tptal cpntrp�*t air traffic control and of air traffic control and that airliner was furthermore, that airliner was on what's called short cm what's called short finals runway 33

on what's called short finals runway 33 means it was to runway 55 which meansit was about 500 high probably at about 500 feet high and coming into land and we 7 77 7.7311 7 allbeen 77 7 77 7all been 7on7 all been on airliners, have all been on airliners, is a time is that is a time where there is very little scope for the 777 7 to take any of 7 evasive action and it is likely that any collision systems that any cpllisipn. systems have been because it is so the ground. having been a to the ground. having been a military pilot, i am just imagining what it would be like 7h? 7r7717ight7t7ime 77 ' 7h} 7 7r7717ight7t7ime i7n777 77 ' 7h} 7 7r7717ight7t7ime in? 77 ' to fly at night time in a helicopter along that route. it z-l—= likely that me likely that the pilot... 2:2 pilots will 7 pilots will wear military pilots will wear helmets so there will helmets and although visibility is great through the visibility is great through the visibility is great through the cockpit, they will be on nig7ht—vision what's called night—vision goggles. this isn't confirmed, this is but it this is conjecture, but it is likely will be flying likely they will be flying these night—vision 77 gaggle; 77 7 7 7

77 goggles77 enhances the goggles. goggles enhances the so you can see fairly so that you can see fairly clearly at the problem of course is it your course is it reduces your peripheral vision by quite a lot so pilots will have had lot so the pilots will have had limited peripheral vision, they are helmets, they have are wearing helmets, they have these night—vision goggles on and on top of that, when they and on top of that. when they . because the very to ire very to the runway, very to the runway, they �*ery to the runway, they will all of all oi their all aii their lights all of their lights on and have all of their lights on and so what is has se what happens is that has a to appear se what happens is that has a bright) appear se what happens is that has a brightand appear se what happens is that has a brightand so appear se what happens is that has a bright and so it appear se what happens is that has a bright and so it is appear very bright and so it is difficult for the pilots to be able to ascertain maybe the distance or differentiate between aircrafts. lt distance or differentiate between aircrafts.- distance or differentiate between aircrafts. it is almost counterintuitive, _ between aircrafts. it is almost counterintuitive, - it? - between aircrafts. it is almost counterintuitive, - it? you | counterintuitive, isn't it? you would think a big right would thinka big right . . in the sky would be aereplane in the shy wesis�*s-s' " ~ " easy to aereplane in the shy wesis�*ee' " ~ " easy to but the way quite easy to spot but the way you are describing is that a sage... s- s ”a. 7e7f eighties; 7 7 7e7f eighties; makes it teyet of brightness makes it harder for teyet of brightness makes it harderfor the even harderfor the military pilots be able to see

not forget, they were let's not forget, they were also, according to that audio heard, they were warned it 7 itin 7 it in moments it in 7moments before. absolutely. the video is interesting. footage is quite interesting. the aircraft, the pilot of the the aircraft. the pilot of the hawk helicopter, it would black hawk helicopter, it would have been transiting lower than the approaching civilian aircraft and also going perpendicular to so there perpendicular to it. so there radio conversations between blackhawk 7 7 ”£5415;an 7 7 77elaek7i7ia7§y7ka7h2i7§ir7 7 7 77elaek7i7iah7ka7h2i7§i(hath; 7 7 the black hawk and air traffic control ,, where the air control tower where the air control tower where the air control tower where the air control tower asks if traffic'contro'l tower asks if have seen traffic'control tower asks if have seen the aircraft but they have seen the aircraft but at the same time, there would have been a number of movements so they would have certainly an aircraft but 7 an aircraft but it 7 an aircraft but it may 7 an aircraft but it may not seen an aircraft but it may not be, they not have seen an be, they may not have seen an aircraft that is basically 7 them coming 7 them coming into runway as them coming into runway as theyn coming into runway as they move ing into runway as they move perpe7ndiculary 33 as they move perpendicular this is conjecture from across. this is conjecture from my part, it could they my part, it could be that they visual on another aircraft has sisual sn ansther aircraft there had sisual an ansther aircraft there was an pecause there was an airpar—t ”we seesaw...” from pecause there was an airpert — ,, . .. .. . from runway

pecause there was an sirpsrt — ,, . .. .. . from runway one. they departing from runway one. they had visual on another aircraft that thought the one that they thought was the one that they thought was the one that was that air—traffic control was talking about and not necessarily flight which necessarily flight 53ll2 which was coming across path was coming across their path and reducing in height quite significantly they were significantly whereas they were flying low along the so flying lsw alsng the rivenss " ' feels to flying lsw alsng the rivenss'w' ,, ' feels to me, again flying lsw alsng the rivenssw' w ' feels to me, againjust it feels to me, and againjust from information, that this could have a situational and the pilots the hawk just may not of the black hawkjust may not have seen, because the aircraft coming into their was coming into their peripheral vision, and they mistaken who the have mistaken who they are reporting to atc that they have reporting to au. that they have clearance of. visual clearance of. interesting, isn't it? that was the opinion of david butler, a former military helicopter pilot. us of defence pilot. us secretary of defence pete hegseth posted on x saying cpete hegseth pasted an x say—g military

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granted — aviation battalion as of now is granted a _ aviation battalion as of now is granted a 48 hour operational on contin-ency missions pause on contingencymissio s pause on contingency/missions what is reviewed as what happened is reviewed senior investigative == deployed last ni - ht - deployed last night and . was deployed last night and already— was deployed last night and already is in washington, dc atread�*s is in he’ashinsiten. as te what atready is in he’ashindten. as ts _ what is going i atread�*s is in he’ashinsiten. as te anticipate lat is --oin ces— atread�*s is in he’ashinsiten. dc te anticipate the; --oin cs:— atread�*s is in he’ashinsiten. dc te anticipate the investi-ation we anticipate the investigation be we anticipate the investigation _ be able _ we anticipate the investigation be able to will quickly be able to determine whether the aircraft determine whether theaireeatt e at the determine whether the aircraft is. �*at the right at the time of the altitude at that , . as i altitude at thetirne of the as i mentioned, next incident. as i mentioned, next of kin — incident. as i mentioned, next of kin notifications are ongoing. it is a tragedy. a eilm—ee §—§m= -2 ee—mg— e horrible loss of life for those 64 souls _ horrible loss of life for those 64 souls on that a civilian this will: err-mate cisitia . and ea mule e'n'that 1a cisitian - and of ea mule e'n'that 1a cisitian and of course the airliner and of course the three _ airliner and of course the three soldiers in black ; waiteh ti“? stilt? 5”? 7§té7§7=7r=7 and their the families and their as people the families and their- _ as peopie are communities as people are notified _ communities as people are notified. i imagine. i -one from a know it has gone from a rescue mission — know it has gone from a rescue mission to— know it has gone from a rescue mission to a recovery mission are all the and we are with all the first _ that— and we are with all the first - the iat— and we are with all the first the defence actively. the defence department, �*thoughtsand department, our thoughts and prayers — department, our thoughts and prayers go we are actively

prayers go out, we are actively investigating to find out what “no! happened and why and as we get updates. — happened and why and as we get updates, you will have them. spdates. see csitt hase frr=tfl "www”w bless. sedatese §dd ssitt hose there's ' w w "w bless. . sedatesessd sdttttaee theta; w "w bless. . sedatese §dd ssitt hose there's ' w w' "w bless. ., ,, god bless. that was us secretary _ god bless. that was us secretary i defence i god bless. that was us secretary i defence in a secretary of defence there in a statement that he put x. we statement that he put on x. we are hearing that in over are hearing that in just over one hour's time, the us president donald trump will be giving press conference giving a press conference on this plane crash. he give briefing 77 briefing the 77 briefing thewhite briefing the white house gtbriefing at the white house iiam gtbriefing at the white house ”am eastern time, that is at ”am eastern time, that is for pm gmt. we will be hearing little more from a little hit—ef- fee— a president trump. a little earlier, he took to his truth earlier. he tooh to his trsthrw , . , ~ , platform and this. airline was on a the airline was on a perfect routine line of approach, and routine line of approach, the airport, the helicopter was going straight at aeroplane eethe elsetehl e�*.�* the sergeants—cg" —. ~ n , o w ~ an -�*—- stash-ht et the eeu-r�*e“; s. ~ s. . er a, —— an of -�*—- etreh-eht et the eeur�*erer re ee re e er rr ee an of time, for an extended period of time, it is a clear night, the lights the plane were blazing, why on the plane were blazing, why didn't the helicopter go up or down or turn? with a remarks we heard from thirst remarks we heard from the us on his truth the us president on his truth social website just like those were first remarks. we will

were the firstrernarks:we will a little bit more from him hear a little bit more from him during a at the white during a briefing at the white house just over one hour's let's cigdcse just over one hour's let's bring jigise just over one hour's let's bring you time. let's bring you up—to—date what we know so time. let's bring you up—to—d this what we know so time. let's bring you up—to—d this what we lnow so far after this accident. we have heard from two separate press conferences, we have that the crash happened over the river where that potomac river where thal , t... black helicopter military black hawk helicopter crashed into the american airlines passenger which airlines passenger plane which was carrying 60 passengers and four crew. the helicopter was carrying four military 777the 7 7 77 the 7 happened personnel. the crash happened over the potomac river, the plane and the helicopter which -':—e end the helieehte—r .e�*--�*- e e ee e eeee into -':—e eh?— the helieehte—r .e�*--�*- e e ee e eeee into the river, they fell into the river, they crashed down and since then it has been a rescue and then operation to and recovery operation to try and as of the victims of find as many of the victims of this crash we have find as many of the victims of this c that we have find as many of the victims of this c that 27 we have find as many of the victims of this c that 27 bodies we have find as many of the victims of this c that 27 bodies have have find as many of the victims of this c that 27 bodies have been from the -lane so far [ecovered from the plane so far one body been recovered

and one body has been recovered the helicopter and those from the helicopter and those efforts to recover more bodies offorts to recover more bodies ongoing. the situation is the 7 the conditions are that the conditions are freezing. at the time of the crash, the wind—chill cycch. the wind—chill factor a big factor in hampering was a big factor in hampering those efforts to recover and rescue and had there quite a bit of ice as well the potomac river. the in the potomac river. the pilots, are hearing, where pilots, we are hearing, where experienced in terms of the aeroplane. it was a clear night the investigators say but the investigators say they are focusing on why the are now focusing on why the was flying at that helicopter was flying at that location. the crashed over the aircraft crashed over the potomac river, they both potomac diver. they were both ~ ., , ~ . , over that river and investigators say that will be one of the big say thatwill he'one of the �*oig of the investigation focuses of the investigation going forward. we will bring of the very latest you of course the very latest with my colleague matthew at top of the hour here bbc 777 77 stay stay with us.

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odd centimetre or two in the but for the vast majority it is outbreaks of rain that will get friday morning, so a wet start to the day but brightening would expect bright or sunny spells, the best of these for the western areas of england and wales and scotland. the weekend sees a further week weather front is moving into this area of high pressure so there is a strip of cloud left. temperatures might struggle and

into sunday, cloud and drizzle south—west england, either side of that, writer and sunny so a relatively quiet weekend, and with high pressure often close to the uk next week, often the weather is going to be dry and bright with sunshine.

major breaking news — that an american airlines these are the live pictures from the potomac river — itsjust gone 10am — the alert was raised at 8.48 last night. at least 28 bodies have been recovered but local officials say they don't believe there are any survivors. emergency responders have been working through the night in extremely cold conditions — they say, they've now switched we understand that 27 bodies from the plane have been found, and one from the helicopter — which the pentagon says, was on a training mission at the time of collision.