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tv   HAR Dtalk  BBC News  February 3, 2025 12:30am-1:01am GMT

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my guest today was an icon of the �*60s, as famous — if not more famous — for her lifestyle thank you. your latest album, great reviews.
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no. not yet. they haven't realised. they still... but why do you think that is? why do you think that people can't move on? they can't. .. well, it's not... i mean, there's several things. they can't move on. they get an imprint of you, and of course i have... which, of course, i am...
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she chuckles ..i've changed. but when there's a very strong imprint, people... again, you think that they're still the same as they were do you still find it a burden around your neck? i mean, it's not... i don't feel like a burden. i'm absolutely, completely, blindingly i've become angry. i'm interested that you say... i do not like to be seen... first of all, i'm not a celebrity. it's... know what you do. famous for being famous? i think that's about the worst thing i know. ..than everywhere else. because they don't really
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care about all that and most of my audience are young, and they yeah, i'm interested in the youth of your audience... i couldn't bear to watch it. i watched a little bit ofjoe cocker, ugh! why? he laughs just the whole thing. i mean, what was really interesting, and...what we have to, or what i feel, and i talked to some friends about it, is how interesting and what credit one must give because i'm sure that they... and if you'd been asked? ha! are you kidding? and, of course, if i had been
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asked, i would have refused. i've been so ambitious for so long, i still haven't really accomplished it. i will not stop until i achieve it." well, of course. yes! i'm coming in, i'm coming in. "she's coming in! she's nearly �*round the corner! yep. is she going to make it?" 0k. she laughs "is she going to make it?" and you really... it's hard for me. it is out there, but... i was given a lot of handicaps. coming in on the rails. and then after that, boom! to be, but you don't
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sell a lot of records. and, on some levels, on a practical level, i sell enough records to have a wonderful life you don't think there might be a little, she laughs not a big one. "la saboteuse". .. and, yeah, i guess i have got that. of course i have. itjust makes it more exciting for me. do you think it's easier to be a working woman, female came...? but...
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what is it, if you were to characterise the difference? that is a fact, whatever they say about the army and all that stuff. you know, i'mjust about to start on a tour till next february. and that is going to be very difficult. tough, physically. yeah. so the "saboteuse" side of me has to really lie down but in the... yeah, and the same things apply. possibly be serious. if you have an interesting voice, as opposed to what's called a feminine, pretty
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voice, you can't sing. they can't handle it. and the fact that i can talk... i can't drive a car. it's time i look back, look back over my career "and think, �*haven�*t i done well?”' and there you are working with sort of beck and blur on your new album, whereas most of your contemporaries look like they're kind of getting... well, no, no, yeah, but that's so what i'm not into. i mean, there'll come a time... there'll come a time where i'll be happy to take
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so it's not time for nostalgia. and, anyway, i don't like nostalgia. are trying to achieve? iwant... i've always wanted to do really good work, have a really great time... and i've done that. what i never put into the equation, unfortunately, was make a lot of money. just going back, though, to when you started, and you were a young, beautiful, stunning, ravishing person who sort of exploded onto the scene,
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of course not! ..or was it a small group of you who were kind of given disproportionate... ? well, actually, i became friends with paul first. paul and peter and ash. yeah. with mickjagger... andrew oldham. and they write as tears go by. did you feel then that you were some kind of latter i didn't know all this till years later. well, then, do you look back
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on it as a sort of destructive period in your life? no! in reading. he laughs but... the same path that you did. you know, i went with paul mccartney, jane asher, bumped straight into andrew. of course it was. i mean, it wasn'tjust... it was love—hate, like it still is. it's still the same. what is your advice... because i think people do, people do come to you. one of my only sort of people
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i like and do talk to, things, is kylie. do you see some of yourself in her? oh, i think she's much more sort of... she's much more overtly sexy. it's an act. you weren't overtly sexy? no. it's much more attractive to be beautiful tell me, tell me, try. this is confessional moment. person, where... to get what i wanted.
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"from the age of 17 until fairly recently, my life has been one big sleepwalk." well, that is crazy. you're right. it's a bit of both. i mean, it really is. i grew up, and i still have it, with a feeling that there and that is one of the reasons that people started at the same time, i was highly intelligent, i did want to be an artist, very much. that's always been a problem. do i want to be a singer?
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am i answering your question? you are. no, you are. i mean, one of the areas where you were very unambiguous about what you wanted is that you seemed to know that i mean, you talk about when you read the naked lunch, was that theatre, or is that reality? you mean you were being suffocated... i was.
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..in your relationship with mick? i really didn't like my gilded cage. whoopee!" but when the chance came, i grabbed it. and what was that period like? nobody knew me, nobody knew where i was. occasionally i would bump into francis bacon, who would take me for dinner, which was very nice of him. and he had this, because he'd been there himself. you make it sound almost glamorous, being a drug addict. well, i'm really sorry. what can i tell you? no, i'm just interested. i was in agony, and i healed myself as best i could. one of the ways was with drugs, because they are painkillers. heroin is a painkiller. when i didn't need a painkiller any more, i stopped. i haven't touched it since 1985. the other thing that i really needed was anonymity,
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but you were also a mother, you had a son to bring up... i would go back to my mum and have a bath and a good meal i was much too sick at that moment, you know? i breast—fed nicholas for six months. i didn't smoke cigarettes, i didn't do drugs, i didn't we had a very, very good first seven years together. then he was taken away from me. but, yeah, after i left mick, i was much too broken and sick and unhappy. i couldn't do anything. when i would go home,
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after my famous bath or sit in the chair, my mother would be upstairs, hank williams. and i would play it very loud, and then... ..i don't know why, but it stopped. and... or i turned it down. and little nicholas came out and said, "mum, you... and you talk about this as being a healing period. do you ever wish that... "i wish none of that had happened to me." or maybe even... "i wish i'd never met mick. my life would have been so much..." but i like mick! still? yes! he's got his faults,
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you know, but... i mean, i hardly eversee him. but, occasionally, when i see him in a very private and i can't move. i'm not allowed to move. hours while we talk, and it's wonderful. because you... there was a... obviously... and i don't think i love him. but i like him very much. and he was... is he still a creative influence at all? on me? no. it's... that was when i let it fall away. well, i'm sorry,
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it happened to me. i was actually on mushrooms at the time, so maybe that might have something to do with it. but i had a realflash that this is a new century and i can write about new things now. and if you are... where you think... you were saying, you feel... no. we live in the past, present and future i know that. but for my work, anyway... just ending with the drug thing. when did you feel... i'm just wondering whether there was a precise moment i'm out of this period where..." 0h! the drug thing? yeah. i'm just interested,
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very interested in one which is anonymity. i wonder whether what you like most in life is to walk down a street and no—one have a clue who you are. it's great. do you still... do you really like that? mm—hm. but yet you still want to go around touring and... well, that's different. ..there's still endless newspaper articles written about you. that's to sell records. it's... performing is work. it's as mechanistic as that? i'm not there as marianne faithfull, but what about if those people come up to you and say, "marianne faithfull..."? they don't. so don't worry. i know the trick. you just don't put your eyes up. it's like being frodo or something.
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it's like having a hat on. he chuckles as long as you don't show your eyes, they won't see you. a way out. and you too? me too. i did it by choice. to understand? oh, do they ever! they find it hard to understand i walked out on all that money and mick jagger. i think they've just about begun to get that now, seeing things that have happened in the last yes. the, "oh! and that kind of behaviour is one of them. the drugs, the infidelity, kind of lack of moral basing... we were...
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before, this stuff. look at scott and zelda. one of them ended up in a lunatic asylum, and the other one was an alcoholic! but we didn't know that. but we will." but i bet you felt you were inventing the wheel, didn't you? of course we did. that's the fun of being young. you're just so arrogant and so ignorant that you think, you know... if you've seen any of my interviews from the period, girl who just... "i think i know everything." do you think... losing self—confidence?
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not for me. to really use my mind, and i have to work really hard. still quite autobiographical. that shows how clever i am. no? no. well, if we were to look at... they appear to be. yeah. but, you know, obviously, first of all, any writer, the lyrics to sliding through on charm. yeah. he wrote them about me. but they are lyrics that if — if — i could express my feelings about what happened to me and my total defiance
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but the fact that you still need to restate those it's notjust me that needed to restate it, and we all decided, "ok, this is enough now. we're going to change this game." and one thing only, normally. i really would rather not think about that. oh, but he will be... i know what he'll be remembered for. what about you ? i don't want to think about it. i believe it's here and now. think about me. and i don't really care now. stay healthy and keep my looks
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as long as possible... thank you. she chuckles hello there. well, for many of us, it was a fine second half of the weekend, with plenty of blue sky and sunshine on offer on sunday. and there's more winter sunshine around as we head through the first full week of february too. but it's quite a mixed week of weather ahead. it will turn briefly milder, with many of our temperatures in double figures to start off, but it's wet and windy, especially out towards the north and the west for many. frost towards the end of the working week.
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fronts approaching the far north—west of scotland. it's quite blustery here and it's also a mild but across south—east england, east anglia, we'll keep the largely clear skies here through the night. of sunshine developing for wales, up through northern grey — but with lighter winds, admittedly, across east anglia and south—east england. southwards and eastwards. but as we head through monday night, then ourfronts are going to be slowly slipping further southwards and eastwards, introducing some outbreaks of rain. really too cloudy, too windy, too wet for some to see any kind of frost into tuesday morning. now, our cold front continues to push further southwards
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north—west england, down through western wales and south—west england too. up nicely here. for south—east england. this is the colder air, of course, digging in then we see high pressure build in from the south, and that is set to stay with us for the rest of the week. but what you'll really notice is that the temperatures start to slip away. the rest of the week.
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