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the system - you how to operate the system and you believed you were permitted to it �*own education. own education. this �*own education. this may havezwn education. this may have: been ucation. this may have: been part on. this may have: been part or the is may have? been part or the reason well have been part of the reason and it was certainly a plausible . . but i am sure that sent excuse but i am sure that you sent some of what you recorded about falcon and in the course of your work to your there is :-= 5 that you had asked one of evidence that you had asked one of the handling you the agents handling you what information he was interested in, for example, regiment or for example, which regiment or sector and you told him you had to a defence gateway screen identify personnel. you collected the personal details of soldiers. you were an of 15 soldiers. you were sent an excel spreadsheet on the 1st of june. it the names of those 5; promoted ., 57 be promoted from . 57 be promoted from courtauld be promoted from courtauld to to be promoted from courtauld to sergeant in british the
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sergeant in the british army for the 2021-22. it sergeant in the british army for the 2021—22. it included special sergeant in the british army for the 2 soldiers, included special sergeant in the british army for the 2 soldiers, but uded special sergeant in the british army for the 2 soldiers, but notd special sergeant in the british army for the 2 soldiers, but not theircial sergeant in the british army for the 2 soldiers, but not their full by the? �*mobile names. by the time your mobile telephone was examined, the spreadsheet had been deleted, but on spreadsheet had been deleted, but cm of august spreadsheet had been deleted, but an of august 2021 g this. 513 if august. §q§15§§§fafi§§ details fee. 513 if august. §q§15§§§fafi§§ details of 15 fee eee ef eqqqef eqei'e'eeffeefee details of 15 of the soldiers compiled a list with and compiled a handwritten list with their number, rank, their service number, rank, initials, surname and units. notably, you uk special notably, you selected uk special forces soldiers only, including of the elite sas special air members of the elite sas special air service. laterthat members of the elite sas special air service. later that day you used to service. later that day ypu'used ta computer to log on to the pull computer to log on to the ministry of defence hr platform, the personnel administration is you are booking leave system is if ypu are bpski—ngleave yourself. by a system is if ypu are bpski—ngleave your flaw by a system is if ypu are bpski—ngleave your flaw which a system is if ypu are bpski—ngleave your flaw which i you to security flaw which allowed you to search for the details of of
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15 you had selected, the 15 soldiers you had selected. took tbgy 15 soldiers you had selected. took screenshots which included you took screenshots which included their full names. you took screenshots which included theirfull names. this information was secret. those promoted to have ten years sergeant’typ'rcattyhave ten years special service soldiers service, special service soldiers experience in other units and have experience in other units and temp two qualify with you may temp two qualify with you succeeding. the to succeeding. the promotion to is a significant sergeant is a significant achievement. they were in = -= trial as the j ” his;{he'séékbgn’e’m ' 77 up; cream”; 3? ' if grist; {rig baékbone lilia" ' if his; {rig baékbone li’t'héuio' the trial as the backbone of the nco country in the army. you you aegis??? z -—: you did this j you did this to j you did this to demonstrate said you did this to demonstrate there was a gap, a flaw in there was a security gap, a flaw in there was a security gap, a flaw in the system. you could have done that with one screenshot or even by telling that you simply telling someone that you expected its existence. the expectedits eeisteecee—eher— in expectedits eyelets [25:52 ibis . — in a printed copies of other containing printed copies of other material you admit having sent to iranians. knew that they the iranians. you knew that they in the access you were interested in the access you had to personal details, so i am
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driven firmly to the that had to personal details, so i am driven firmi ofo the that had to personal details, so i am driven firmi of that that had to personal details, so i am driven firmi of that list that had to personal details, so i am driven firmi of that list and that screenshots was of screenshots was all obtaining of the screenshots was all 2% the iranians. whether or not you did send it, that means this was a =— 7 of the offence very serious example of the offence under 50 a day of the under section 50 a day of the terrorism act 2,000 which terrorism act 2,000 for which the maximum sentence is 15 years terrorism act 2,000 for which the maximum senl in :e is 15 years terrorism act 2,000 for which the maximum senl in octoberears terrorism act 2,000 for which the maximum senl in october 2021 you imprisonment. in october 2021 you collected a payment of collected a second payment of £1000 cash, left you in a cemetery in cash. left fsrffiufia ferrets; in thenin cash. left fsrffiufia ferrets; in then in november you used in lpndpn. then inrnavemberypu used in" . phone to make to unregistered mobile phone to make to anonymous phone to the anonymous phpnecalls tp the service anonymous phonecalls to the service they anonymous phonecallsto the service they were security service m15. they were recorded. in the first you that she had been in volunteered that she had been in contact with the ramp is my secret services for two years having been approved through media, iffyld’ff'” , iii tifyzou spy if you spy form?" 7” 7 ifiyldm 7 ”spy forthem. claim that you -ive claim that you give them you claim that you give them some secret looking documents obtained from wikileaks for which they paid
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secret looking documents obtained fror twice. eaks for which they paid secret looking documents obtained fror twice. you for which they paid secret looking documents obtained fror twice. you said which they paid secret looking documents obtained fror twice. you said you 1 they paid secret looking documents obtained fror twice. you said you would paid secret looking documents obtained fror twice. you said you would like you twice. you said you would like to have the kingdom to have the united kingdom security services maintaining the ssrsisss es etaietaieiea tes' ' " ' attempts were made by yrelationship. attem pts— were made by... security services call on the security services to call you on the unregistered phone unsuccessfully. following second unsuccessfully. following the second call in which you said your relationship with the remaining had only for a relationships had only been for a year, �*you wanted an end to year. but now you wanted an'end'to because you are concerned about it because you are concerned about yourjob it because you are concerned about your job without specifying it because you are concerned about yourjob without specifying that it because you are concerned about your job without specifying that you xoei’ job without specifying that you a british soldier, the police are a british soldier, the police you as the user of the identified you as the user of the phone and you were arrested on the -..6%-.-..- . .- .......... wdflddddry of january 2022. in ofjanuary 2022. in between —|m —m those two calls to m15 you were internet searches those two calls to m15 you were internetsearches flights making internet searches for flights to tehran by british the to tehran by a british soldier, the police identified you the user of police identified you as the user of the phone and you were arrested on 6th of january 2022. in two calls to two calls us m15 two calls to m15 you were those two calls to m15 you were making internet searches for flights those two calls to m15 you were making ir via iet searches for flights those two calls to m15 you were making ir via let s( countries ' flights those two calls to m15 you were making ir via let s( countries and hts those two calls to m15 you were making ir via let s( countries and by to tehran via third countries and by iran and the opportunity to receive some training the activities you concerned in 55.1; tree—72.2— fir tire; irt.t;;~’r�* " ' " " concerned in and you continue to are concerned in and you continue to ask what specific information iran
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was interested in. in november 2021 created a document called you created a document'ca�*t�*ted options on a usb stick intelligent options on a usb stick which was also recovered from your they set out to be a room. they set out to be a high—level government position statements. you said that was incomplete and not been sent. 1 incomplete and had not been sent. 1 am unable to be sure that it was sent. you agree that if sent eco am unable to be sure that it was sent being igree that if sent eco am unable to be sure that it was sent being seriously if sent eco am unable to be sure that it was sent being seriously detrimental to gifts being seriously detrimental to the being made to secure the efforts being made to secure the release of a british citizen. the same month you had a conversation your 7-2522; your iranian in which said iranian in which said theyan in which said they wanted in which said they wanted to in which said they wanted to see which said they wanted to see you h they said they wanted to see you reach the top levels of yourjob. you said you were one of the top soldiers in your unit, worked harder anyone else and anyon; else and had ' ' " "iié'édd'ed' ' ' ' " "iié'édd'ed' i ' ' " ”iié'édd'ed i am 5 he added —— i am more promoted. he added am —— i am more intelligent than anyone here, i will promote very easily. limits of pyryomote very easily. the limits of �*claimed intelligence pyryomote very easily. the limits of �* claimed intelligence are your ::' es; ..- . your own evidence to apparent from your own evidence to thejury in which he
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apparent from your own evidence to the jury in which he boasted 22- ee-= of a repressive islamist speaking of a repressive islamist regime and a nuclear power that you speaking of a repressive islamist regir the 1d a nuclear power that you speaking of a repressive islamist regir the one nuclear power that you speaking of a repressive islamist regir the one in clear power that you speaking of a repressive islamist regir the one in clear p ofer that you speaking of a repressive islamist regir the one in clear p of your it you speaking of a repressive islamist regir the on with lear p of your it you speaking of a repressive islamist regir the on with lear p (agents : you relationship with iranianagepts quote, they were and! quote. they were not very because of the clandestine advanced. eecause efi—fee—eleeeeefeee. of advanced. eecausa efi—fee—eleeeeefeee. of most advanced. eecause ef—theclandestine of most of your nature of most of your communications and self—selected communications. and the self—selected—w—w records are kept for your limited records are kept for your own the investigation was owyby purposes,ythe investigation was to recover only deleted able to recover only some deleted communications. the court has an incomplete picture. myjudgment incomplete picture. in myjudgment he knew that when you're activities were either because you he knew that when you're activities were in either because you he knew that when you're activities were in gaining er because you he knew that when you're activities were in gaining the acause you he knew that when you're activities were in gaining the attentioni succeeded in gaining the attention the er - tr. services of the british security services or because you were caught, you would have to an account of what haddisclosed " zz'zhqeeizdsee'df it}? " zz'zhqiieizdsee'df 312175 " ”th eizdseeef 31317539" screenshots of some chat kept screenshots of some chat with remaining agents exchanges with the remaining agents as you versions and copies as you retain versions and copies of 17 on a usb stick and 1a
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17 documents on a usb stick end'fl't them in hard copy that were found of them in hard copy that were found in your barrick trim after you were z= -: 5 these documents in the aefted there dotmer�*tr e tee were aertec�* there dotmer�*tr e tee were designed aertec�* teere d”-mer�*t= e tee were designed to give aertec�* teere doc-meet= e tee were designed to give the main were designed to give the of intelligence material through your stark. through your yyork. some accessed through your work, some of he had falsely top or secret, but or otherwise an of open sources. as i amalgamation of open sources. as i have said i'm sure there was not a complete record of what you sent and you did not give a truthful account. for example the telephone handsets that you did was not in the that you did send was not in the folder or on the usb, but the fact folder or on the use. but the fact was sent emerges from a small it was sent emerges from a small image of it and the associated in one of the chats you discussion in one of the chats you to take a screenshot of. a choose to take a screenshot of. a hard copy �*the list 15 hard copy of the handwritten list 15 special services... special
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iiil forces soldier to promotion was in folder, although an the folder, although an evidently sending it or the seven denied sending it or the seven to iran. nor did the screenshots to iran. nor did the stick sent other folder or usb stick sent other material that you sent material that you certainly sent which cements my conclusion that the printer material in the folder a very limited range of ag at onzthe 77 onzthe 3rd 6 o’n'ftiie'srd’of’ " w 7' onzthe 3rd of december he made records �*information to the falcon system and referring to the falcon system and relating to united publications relating to united kingdom while you were kingdom intelligence. while you were on leave the christmas holidays -=e "red” 7 "with had with uranium j you had contact with uranium handlers, records of which you deleted. two days later you said that you had big documents to send on the 7 on the 30th on the 30tb of on the 30th of two sent and on the 30th of december two sent three documents which were three large documents which were kept on the ministry of defence? kept on the ministry'offlefence? portal to which you had secure portal to which you had access due to your security it is not necessary to clearance. it is not necessary to describe the of these notes
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describe the detail of these notes but you had made two of them look 5 significant than significant than they 5 significant than they were significant than they were by more significant than they were by marking as secret, rather than 77 designation 7 designation as their original designation as official. he later told jury at official. he later told the jury at your traffic you remember how 7 got those documents but it was the internet. i the internet. 1am the internet. i am sure from the open internet. i am sure that was untrue. the that was untrue. te’e’fnsestig’atie’n’ ""” ”’ ” computer records that was untrus. te’s’fnssstig’atis’n’ ""” ”’ ” computer records indicating found computer records indicating that you accessed the three doctrine notes via the defence gateway. you you didn't even read the detail these documents before you send of these documents before you send them. during the course of you them. during the course of 2022 you were police bail as the were on police bail as the investigation was carried he 7777— 7 7.75177 777-7777 77777 7 in with uranium remained in contact witbyuranium in may 2022 she travelled -== the iranian er77nbassy the iranian embassy injuly. the iranian er77nbassy injuly. your to the iranian embassy injuly. your evidence of your activities at this time indicate you were hoping time indicate that you were hoping to achieve some sort of identity at to achieve some sortsf identity at or travel document from the tea or travel document from the embassy. you told towards the
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7— of that year that the crown end of that year that the crown prosecution service was considering charges. some time before the 2nd of 2023 he went absent without january 2023 he went absent without leave from post nearly leave from your post spending nearly four weeks living in a van stolen from the army in november 2022 and not far from the base. he a i n u.r awaier—séii a in your room stating left a letter in your room stating that police had more evidence originally expected, charges anticipated 7 anticipated and 7 anticipated and you 77 anticipated and you said,77the were anticipated and you said, the uad is known to the police. they can m essa 9 es messages stolen cryp7to. with ages stolen cryp7to. with the; stolen cryp7to. with the timestamp en cryp7to. with the timestamp of cryp7to. with the timestamp of when >. with the timestamp of when it 7they know 7theyknov7vl 7777 7777 they know i sent7 7 occurred. they know i sent your options are suicide documents. your options are suicide or absconding. the also documents. your options are suicide orabscondin timeframe also documents. your options are suicide or abscondin timeframe for so documents. your options are suicide or abscondin timeframe for use of irefers to the timeframerfgr useref a awaiting and passportawaiting instru ctiensand �*once passportawaiting instru ctiensand �* once you' re passportawaiting instructionsand �* once you're in you could passportawaiting instructionsand �*once you're in you could manage haw grace yeu're in. yeu ceuld manage again travel haw anaa yaa'ra in. yaa aaala manage again travel to new enee yea're in yea eagle manage again travel to interesting life again and travel to interesting places freely. reference to
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places freely. the reference to stolen crypto is significant because in 2020 in conversation with iranian agent referred to an iranian agent he referred to having a stolen piece of crypto taken from team. this topic taken from another team. this topic is another example of where a aaaeaaa aahzsaa ea axe... ea. has uncovered evidence investigation has uncovered evidence indicating that the to indicating that the material to give to the iranians includes that which you gather during your life a young ayoung soldier; 77 ayoung soldierfwith 77 as a young soldier with privileged to military access to military locations, hardware and processes. the " ' ";;i;i,ligh£d " ' ”established on " ' fféqiabiigh'e’d on the investigation established on the 30th
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