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president trump's tariffs? of head teacher ruth perry. what does she think of the proposed new system? welcome to newsnight — live from broadcasting house each weeknight. your panellists this evening: editor in chief ofjoe media, oli dugmore, former conservative deputy for president trump's inauguration.

both lots of taxes were meant to come in tomorrow so the pause comes at the 11th hour. summit since brexit. is next in line for tariffs. what has happened over the last hour? we what has happened over the last hour? ~ ., ., , hour? we had the deal to pause the us on hour? we had the deal to pause the us - on - early - hour? we had the deal to pause the us - on - early in - hour? we had the deal to pause the us - on - early in the i us tariffs on mexico. early in the and in the last hour we heard day and in the last hour'we heard will day and in the last hour'we' heard will be paused, the that they will be paused, the american of the will paused. a lengthy tweet one will be paused. a lengthy tweet from trudeau, the concerns, saying banister, answering concerns, saying they will implement 1.3 billion

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now at least we aren't going up there _ now at least we aren't going up there but— now at least we aren't going up there but speaking to they there but speaking to analysts, they say, don't _ there but speaking to analysts, they say, don't underestimate the there but speaking to analysts, they say, this t underestimate the ::r::2 ,, there but speaking to analysts, they say, this kind ierestimate the ::r::2 ,, there but speaking to analysts, they say, this kind of estimate the ::r::2 ,, there but speaking to analysts, they say, this kind of negotiations ::r::e ,, there but speaking to analysts, they say, this kind of negotiation might i; ,, have done. 5-5; —ww qu. the w - have done. - us, the most well have done. the us, the most important — well have done. the us, the most important in the world, important economy in the world, potentially tearing up north american free radios. donald trump = -: = -e his first term 2 his first term —— z e-= e trade deals. it can't ? trade deals. it can't be good free trade deals. it can't be good for business investment. the fact that we _ for business investment. the fact that we ask the question, don't the importance of that. so, what were the economic stakes, that. so, what were the economic stakes. then? _ that. so, what were the economic stakes, then? potentially- that. so, what were the economic stakes, then? potentially very - that. so, what were the economic. stakes, then? potentially very high they might still be. - imf z: few years a-o ifew years a-o the impact modelled a few years ago the impact of a general fragmentation of é iw——7——=i7i wzww_=w— w? t ofthkindofwhich 77” 2 of tht kind of which thttf trade. of the kind of which these tariffs. _ trade. of the kind of which these tariffs, this trade might have to. they estimated led to. they estimated it could cost around $7 _ led to. they estimated it could cost around $7 trillion off the ;-;: economy. i think we can see that now _ economy. i think we can see that now about — economy. i think we can see that now. about of the global economy.

now. about 7% of the global economy. compare _ now. about 7% of the global economy. compare that to the two big compare that to the size of two big economies, france and national economies, france and _ about— national economies, france and _ about the _ national economies, france and about the same size. the germany, about the same size. the equivalent— germany, about the same size. the equivalent of losing those massive economies from the global economy. aren't --oin to -o hopefully we aren't going to go but hopefully we aren't going to go - but we _ hopefully we aren't going to go but we shouldn't that there but we shouldn't assume that this is_ there but we shouldn't assume that this is over — there but we shouldn't assume that this is over. it is there but we shouldn't assume that a 30 there but we shouldn't assume that — a 30 day- f on these mexican and w? on these mexican andnadian pause on these mexican and canadian a5 pause on these mexican and canadian - as far— pause on these mexican and canadian - as far as— pause on these mexican and canadian - as far as we _ pause on these mexican and canadian as far as we the tariffs. as farras—we hnow+her - m_ tariffs. as farras—we hnow+her - m— tariffs. as farras—we know the tariffs are still going tariffs. as far-as we know the tariffs are still going to = -25 = mg; into ni-ht and £5 - into night and he 7- icon-gigginto night and he, has to attend icogngiezinto ni-ht and heh. - . - n- tariffs against the european union too. so, nick, how does sir keir starmer try _ too. so, nick, how does sir keir starmer try and _ on | too. so, nick, how does sir keir i starmer try and _ on the uk? let's get into this. the view in uk? let's get into this. the view in - uk government _ uk? let's get into this. the view in - uk government is _ uk? let's get into this. the view in - uk government is that - uk? let's get into this. the view in l - uk government is that countries the uk government is that countries with whom the us has a trade deficit "magma.” t 7 77 t t mam; at t t "wheat; thetutkt t t t t lenterabltet. treetdtkt qejt t t t t vulnerable. treetdtkt qejt £565; are vulnerable. the uk, and i havea �*of economics here, has are vulnerable. the uk, and i havea �* of economics here, has a balance t balance with t t ttttbalancewiththet tt t balance with the us, t balance with the us, so we are so vulnerable. those comments not so vulnerable. those comments from trump overnight suggests from donald trump overnight suggests we are not their the we are not in their sites in the way he has but it is

same way he has others. but it is possible we could in his sights t—t tttthteridt tt ttt t tttthterideaytttt t he did say that t he did say that won't tt he did say that won't have and he did say that we won't have tariffs if we sign up to the any tariffs if we sign up to the trade we'd have have a trade deal. we'd have to have a think about it and it's no big surprise that any uk government, when there is possibility of when there is a possibility of tariffs, has come up the back of �* sleeves, in the �*sleeves, in the department, a —::t for potential t for potential retaliatory plan for potential retaliatory tariffs. let's talk to donald trump's former us ambassador to the eu last time he was president, gordon sondland. thank you for talking to our british audience. so, mexico and british audience. so, the mexico and, are paused at the eeheee eh“? efe eeeeeeehhe tt tt t tt hour. eeheee ieh“? efe eeeeeeehhe tt tt t tt hour. message said eehee�*e ief'ffe efe eeeeeeee�*he tt tt t tt hour. message said the eu the tt the uk t the uk take t the uk take from t the uk take from that? i and the uk take from that? i think messaue and the uk take from that? i think - message is — and the uk take from that? i think - message is very _ and the uk take from that? i think - message is very clear. - and the uk take from that? i think - message is very clear. we - and the uk take from that? i think| - message is very clear. we have the message is very clear. we have had a list of demands and of these friends for and in cases

friends for years and in some cases and the results are similar decades and the results are similar every time. they will take it under thety'll about it advisement, they'll think about it get back us. trump has and get back to us. donald trump has had of that. this is a little —= of thet carley only bit of the michael carley only all of the business bit of the michael carley only once. all of the business bit of the michael carley only once. the : the business bit of the michael carley only once. the tariffs business bit of the michael carley only once. the tariffs are business bit of the michael carley only once. the tariffs are designed; bit of the michael carley only once. the tariffs are designed to ,.,.....,-..,,.-..-,........,., if necessary if necessany they remain in place t remain in place until have =-=: bite but t bite but it t bite but it really some economic bite but it really... people off their backsides and t them to tthtetthtittht t tttabltettt t t t t them to table solve tthtetthtittht t tttabltettt solve the qeeejqeq�* to the table to solve the instead of talking and problems instead of talking and meeting endlessly. filth. problems instead of talking and meeting endlessly.— problems instead of talking and meeting endlessly. meetingendlessly. ,, , i wondered if them into action. i wondered then if them into action. i wondered then if the eu could give trump a the eu could give donald trump a kind of token something? what he's got -, canada kind of token something? what he's got? canada is kind of token something? what he's got ww canada is a fentanyl tsar got from canada is a fentanyl tsar and from mexico he has got more and from mexicoshe has got more on and from mexicoshehasgot more on the border, and there were troops on the border, and there were already troops is already 15,000 troops there. is that it? �* , ., , do

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said that the uk c�*:—o-:4 s-aesi-es use-u — ,, , to choose between the and eu. does he? m eu. doeshe? ., ,, us and the eu. does he? flies uk en'o s a us and the eu. does he? rafi - uk enjoys a very — the uk enioysa very soecial unlike other, and relationship, unlike any other, and that's not to say there that's not to say that there aren't going to be some a that's not to say that there aren't going friction ome a that's not to say that there aren't going friction here a that's not to say that there aren't going friction here there. a that's not to say that there aren't going friction here there. but a little friction here and there. but i think keir starmer ttwillonrkttt will work out. i trump will work something out. i don't think there's any question about that. don't think there's any question about that-— about that. what is it you think president trump _ about that. what is it you think president trump wants - about that. what is it you think president trump wants from i about that. what is it you think| president trump wants from the about that. what is it you think - president trump wants from the uk? presidehtrtrun'tp wants from the uk 2 made presidehtrtrun'tp wants from the uk 2 ma d e h is presidenttrun’tp wants from the uk 2 made his list i presidenttrun’tp wants from the uk 2 made his list again i presidenttrun’tp wants from the uk 2 made his list again is an think, you know, trade again is an enormous i think support think, you know, trade again is an enormous ithink support for of our defence stomewof our defence initiatives. he is asking the eu the uk where he is asking the eu and the uk to do more than they're doing to domorethan they' re doing we feel to dornorethan they' re doing we feel like to dornorethan they're doing we feel like we are because we always feel like we are the most. when you the 7= :-= tof the entire t tof the entire eu, t the

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panellists. damian green, are you worried it could end badly for the uk? it worried it could end badly for the uk? . ., , worried it could end badly for the uk? _, , ., uk? it could end .. . u the most uk? it could endbadtyfoiethe i the most interesting i uk? it new i the most interesting thing uk? it ww i the most interesting thing in world. the most interesting thing in ben chu's charts was that the 1930s are the equivalent of what the trump is threatening for tttwaedetttt t t t world, not just canada world, notjust canada and the world, notjust for canada and remember what happened in 19305, 1930s, the great depression, the 1930s, the great depression, mass poverty around the world mass poverty around theworld some of the most leading to some of the most unpleasant the planet has unpleasant regimes the planet has ever 2?” , not go unpleasant regimes the planet has ever 2?” . not go back there. ever seen. let's not go back there. do think i the ids.t think: that... lesseet the” ' thought ids.t think: that... laeeeet the” ' thought that ida think: that... laeeaet the” ' thought that isjust a trump thought that this isjust a tactic. it is a tactic can io can go wrong. i suspect t can go wrong. i suspect the that can go wrong. i suspect the chinese do a deal in 21; hours, chinese won't do adeat in gearhours. the mexicans and canadians and i suspect the eu won't a there's ect the eu won't a there's an:the eu won't a there's an underlying n't either. there's’an underlying of terribly damaging world prospect of terribly damaging world problems. prospect. of terriblydamaging wort:

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us president donald trump agrees to pause tariffs still set to take effect. the trump administration announces a major shake up of the us -!7, these, 7 . actions severely these, 7 actions severely har national 777; 57 7, reethey 7777 77 77 ’th’gypat""""” 77 national security. they put thousands of children around the at immediate risk of disease and death. and starvation, disease and death. and some of our finest civil servants.