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firstly, the gathered media. firstly, president donald trump saying this is the big take away, that this, isrtherbig ta keaway, that united states this, isthabig ta keaway, that united states to possession oi the gaza palestinians and other countries in the region, once palestinians and other counl repeating region, once palestinians and other counl repeating that)n, once palestinians and other counl repeating that claim ce palestinians and other counl repeating that claim that again repeating that claim that we heard, earlier that would not to palestinians would not want to go back to the gaza in palestinians would not want to go back to thw also a in palestinians would not want to go back to thw also said in palestinians would not want to go back to thw also said the n the president also said the states the president atse said the states should take over united states should take over area, take over the gaza that area, take over the gaza strip, buildings, strip, levelling buildings, dealing with unexploded adding 6 adding that the ammunition, adding that the united states will create jobs and housing quote, and housing before, quote, unquote, in the area. he unquote, people in the area. he also said that he the also said that he hopes the seize firewood in israel gaza war and when it to point of iran, came to the point of iran, donald a maximum qenatd tremp said a magma"- campaign be through maintained through sanctions and alluding to conclusion and'a�*t�*tu’ding to'tha conclusion saudi ancia�*ctoding to'tha conclusion saudi arabia ancial�*luciing to'tha conclusion saudi arabia and the gfésazaudi arabia and the abraham donald trump said he accords. donald trump said he more countries
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joining soon. at. a 7m? a”; ”a”, a”, ’ ivirinetanyah’ufi ’ mrinetahyahulistening 7 7ivi7r7n7e7ta7nyah7u7lis7t7e7n7ing to now, mr netanyahu listening to all of that in his comments to media so}; hailed77 7 77 so}; haile7d7pres7ident 77 the media hailed president trump, quote, as the greatest friend that israel has had in the white house and added that ames were unchanged ta'aal'a a"? case—a crechaeaaafl * 7 "w w 7' ~ it came to "as" a"? ea unchaflcaff f f ~~ w ,, ~ it came to what 7 "as" a"? as 34�*s??? * s ”w w 7, " it came to what sa7id, when it came to what he said, israel's aim was winning lsrsgllgalm wast/«inning the �* in lgrgellsalm wast/«inning the �* in gaza, destroying war in gaza, destroying and governing war in gaza, destroying and 1d governing war in gaza, destroying and achieve �*ning war in gaza, destroying and achieve that capabilities. and achieve that through his willingness to quote, think outside the box quote. think outside the hex, the ouotet think outside the box, the donald duotet think outside the box, the donald trump is and the donald trump is a president who, quote, cuts to chase. forfullanalysis president who, quote, cuts to chase. for full analysis on the chase. for full analysis on this i by tom baden this i am joined by tom baden who is at the house. who is at the white house. appear to be significant the 77 the united comments from the united states president. they are a fundamental shift in the states position on the united states position on notjust recent notjust the most recent conflict gaza and conflict in gaza and the
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deal but in cease—fire hostage deal but in 75 years or there as sears er tensercthsr's and 35 sears er lenaefcthsr's and the state of israel in the israeli—palestinian conflict, the israeli occupation of the where sing territories where sing president saying two 7 77777hé£iéau7y7 basically that 77 basically that the things, basically that the population of gaza entire population of gaza should be resettled and should be resettled outside and those interpreted by and arab nations palestinians and arab nations forcible transfer and and forcible transfer and and once outside, expulsion. and once outside, the us will take possession nf— a???” f , ,, gaza strip and the us will take possession of— ——————— — , —— gaza strip and dismantled and munitions of the ordinance and munitions of the ordinance and munitions of the vast s: a . are =z= =—e= _ american munitions which have been used israel during the hamas to level or war'against'harnas�*colevel or the gaza strip into a turn the gaza strip into a demolition site, in his language. and for the us to take possession and for it to rebuilt and what is be rebuilt and what is officials will say will be at
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a 15 year process 7 least a 15 year process and their riviere of potentially their riviere of east there and then the middle east there and then at the end of that when at the end of that'procsss'whan by a 7h7e7777 ,, ,. 77 777h7e7777 5&7 7 777h7e7777 hétgive 7 77h7e7777 not77givea clear a nswer clear answer and particularly clear answer and the international could live there including palestinians, but this is a fundamental shift in the united states position in the united statesposition decades �* its policy on decades of its policy towards and palestinians. ,, it begs the question, does unite7d united states have the unite77to tates have the unite77to ta1 this? ie the authority to do this? under international— authority to do this? under international law, - authority to do this? under| international law, proposals authority to do this? under . international law, proposals to transfer fereiblg transfer eeesla�*flfls ~ ~ ' ~ " strictly fereiblg transfer eeesla�*flfls ~ ~ , ,. ,. strictly prohibited. fereiblg transfer eeesla�*flns ~ ~ , ,. ,. strictly prohibited. it is is strictly prohibited. it is illegal and the administration framing this is a is framing this is a humanitarian gesture to palestinians and steve, his
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envoy and his national palestinians and steve, his envoy ar discussing 1al security palestinians and steve, his envoy ar discussing this ecurity palestinians and steve, his envoy ar discussing this in urity advisers discussing this in most rooms today, trying to give that sense of what here 77 here that this is a means here that this is a offer to the humanitarian offer to the palestinians. when being palestinians; eutwnenb’e�*lng ” " what he m said that he wants egypt and jordan to take and resettle said that he wants egypt and jordan to tai and id resettle said that he wants egypt and jordan to tai and they ettle said that he wants egypt and jordan to tai and they said; palestinians and they saline?” ” ’ ” have palestinians and they saiei’ne.’”” ” ’ ” hm any ass—s—s: palestinians and they saiei’ne.’”” ” ’ ” ha\ any such ”is palestinians and they saiei’ne.”’” ” ’ ” ha\ any such idea palestinians and they saiei’ne.’”” ” ’ ” ha\ any such idea and said "f"”w"i1n.4;;" 7 7 77 7 will7tai7
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leave gaza if that is indeed what is discussed here the position under and the position under law and the international law and the geneva conventions are profoundly clear on transfers of populations and conflict and their will is strictly against their will is strictly prohibited. and so, that is why we have seen arab leaders this categorically reject this over weekend in the run—up to mr trump and terms about that 1d terms about that it terms about that it would terms about that it would only is about that it would only cause it this thatitwould only cause �* greater destabilisation in this thatitwould only cause �* region. destabilisation in this thatitwould only cause �* region. endabilisation in this thatit i region. ation in thisthatit.~ . .. .7~ reuion. �* m thisthatit.~ . .. .7~ reuion. �* ., the region. and the fact that we have - heard - the region. and the fact that we have - heard from | we have already heard from leaders in egypt, jordan, for example that this is not example saying that thisis not they just somettdngtheyrsupport, just to somettdngftheyfsupport. just to was more somettungrtheyrsupport, just to was more about somettungftheyfsupport. just to was more about how talked to was more about how palestinians feel this 7:777they they have heard rumblings when they have heard rumblings of this and is there a that we suggestion that we have outright confirmation from
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that this is what donald trump that this is what he intends for the gaza strip and the, for palestinians, this is incredibly contentious? the vast majority _ is incredibly contentious? the vast majority of _ is incredibly contentious? tue vast majority of palestinians are registered refugees because those people in those people ended up in refugee camps in i9lr8 in the war surrounding israel's creation and the descendents of those people. this a in gaza. the east population in gaza, the vast majority of home are both the population in gaza, the vast majority of home a and �*th the population in gaza, the vast majority of home a and the he people themselves and the descendents of those who were, who fled or forced from who fled or were forced from their in the war their homes in the war surrounding israel's creation. that is an effective expulsion they were never allowed because they were never allowed and that, trump is 7 about it as a about it7as a hellhole. talked about—it7as a hellhole. was because �*the historic it was because of the historic conflict in the war surrounding
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creation. those peopl7e ferasl's creatisn. the's nee-“s ,, ”r ,,, , ww always said "as" “set" “a's seesls f , is w , ww always said that any have always said that any attempts to them off the attempts to push them off the land of historical palestine that they still occupy, the occupied palestinian is a fundamental territories is a fundamental ~——— ~ to territories is a fundamental w— ~— s— to their own the77 7 the7 palestinian 7 and the palestinian thatis and the palestinian that is a dispossession that is a driver the conflict. anything that of theconflict. anything that seen by palestinians to be that would 7 that would try to something that would try to them off even a expression or further expression or proposal for expulsion, they largely, of course, will adamantly resist and reject. and so, we have not the in 7 777th7e777777ir71the7 777 7 the in the region had the time in the region itself in the middle of the [tselj in the middle of the with the palestinian night. with the palestinian to this will be but he h iijjf77 777777 77777777 7 weekend with the palestinian authorities, the arab league ggthorities. the. arab league absolutely ggthorities. thearab league absolutely categorically ggthorities. thearab league a anyitely categorically ggthorities. thearab league a anyitely idea. >rically ggthorities. thearab league a anyitely idea. wheni ggthorities. thearab league a anyitely idea. when you reject any such idea. when you from mr trump reject any such idea. when you
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from mrtrump and reject any such idea. when you from mr trump and even the hear from mr trump and even the key today and he is a estate 7 estate guy 7 7 estate guy and 7 estate guy ahd allowed the real estate guy and allowed the language around this is been expressed in those the language around this is been expres of in those the language around this is been expres of the hose the language around this is been expres of the middle the language around this is been expres of the middle east the language around this is been expres of the middle east and riviere of the middle east and mitt building beautiful homes in palestinians being sent not elsewhere. and what has not expressed today in this is any 7777 isan7yof 7 proposition is any of the u--....z..z...z proposition is any of the' ~ ~ . ~ and how the historical depth and how the of any palestinian notion of any palestinian will play into disoessessien eittotas into " further dispossession eittotas into " further development of the the further development of the conflict {iii conflict itself. of course, this region _ conflict itself. of course, this region is _ conflict itself. of course, this region is so - conflict itself. of course, this region is so complex conflict itself. of course, - this region is so complex when 77it you look it historically speaking and the language being akin to perhaps more used used akin to perhaps more used in the world �* real estate you ?? you see that you see when you see that you see these comments which appear to be in what do you historic in nature, what do you think will mean for the thinicthatwill mean for the
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of and anticipating and getting way and anticipating'and getting way in delhi. you under way in delhi, do you think will potentially think that will potentially jeopardise or was 77777waéyéils7v7477777777 7 7 7 77777waéyéi15q7-7-777777 7 7 7 success was yellow —— doha. that and ii success was yellow -- doha. that - and— success was yellow -- doha. that - under d— success was yellow —— doha. that under the the success was yellow —— doha. that under the biden envisaged under the biden administration and the israeli and hamas who signed to the a 377—phase deal. agreement and a 3—phase deal. the first part was weeks the first part was six weeks long and the release long and involved the release of hostages in exchange for palestinian prisoners and taking place, two was the taking place, phase two was the release of the rest of the taking place, phase two was the release 0 and rest of the taking place, phase two was the release 0 and a est of the taking place, phase two was the release 0 and a permanent into hostages and a permanent into the �* so the withdrawal of from the gaza israeli forces from the gaza strip and more palestinian prisoners released and then a m -hase and that was - hase and that was the 7— after the planned. which is z �*s. eftsa ties _|:__;4 tedisie-is is." . ~ . . the governments of gaza
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securing it and running it and securing it and running it and securing it and running it and rebuilding it. underthe adminis7tration, administration, the terms biden administration, the terms and results talked about was that it had in the end, pi’ocess palestinian process and governance but you have governance but you may have arab nations involved in security forces from the region aisalfomlvatia number the fundamentally, the biden administration approach and that there be no tied permit israeii oi -. 777336777777 .--, a.-., . 77 77ahd7i7t77777 anditshould 77 7 7757n7d7i7t72i7137u13753€77 77 7 7 7 536 itéiisulebbi 7g7et7 7 gaaa and it’should hot’get smaller. gaaa and it’should’not’get smaller. we have that 7 out of the seen that blown out of the water as the end point for this 3—phase ---- and water as the end point for this 31mm, and instead you 3—phase process and instead you the united states taking have the united states taking over territorially gaza over territorially the gaza strip, it whilst the strip, rebuilding it whilst the palestinians are put elsewhere �* relocated in the language or relocated—inthe language mr trump wants use, that mr trump wants to use, expel it in the language that the arab leaders would, of course, see it. fundamentally changing the output or in the 77777 of changing the output or in the 7 77 . 7 . 7 ~ 7 of all of changing the output or in the 77 7 77 7 77 7 77 77 77 of all of which
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their when jeopardise their thinking when it comes to the current negotiations without getting ' phase two itself. negotiations without getting ' n " ' on ' ' ’ hase two itself. ., into phase two itselfg into phase two itself. in .... the white into phase two itself. in a... the white house bateman outside the white house and the conference has and the press conference has taking place president trurnp and lsraeli minister benjamin itdnieyiidioister benjamin tom, thank you so netanyahu. tom, thank you so much for your reporting tonight. going to genie; of 77 tonight. going to genie; 7: ofthe tonight. doing to soniotootieo - of the mfi tonight. doing to soniotootieo - of the middle east i adviser of the middle east peace process— adviser of the middle east eace roces . ., ., , peace process and laura, very iood to peace process and laura, very good to - you _ peace process and laura, very good to - you with - peace process and laura, very good to - you with us - peace process and laura, very good to - you with us and | good to have you with us and i want to by your 77thos7e 77 77 7 those comments 77thos7e 7comm77e7nts that have there on we have seen there on the podium from those two leaders. in decades, working in the region, covering the — -7— 77 7 the}; would 77 7 7 77 7 the}; would for 7 7 living there, working for hoping for better days, — |-— just never been so i�*vegiujstznever been so fresh thinking is surprised. fresh thinking 7is 7 7 7 77 7 �*they put it, far—fetched as how they put it, far—fetched as our most would respond. i have to say sounds like to say what sounds like nails on a chalkboard to many a". a �*i�*e'ifiuer�*i to nee" “son's“ 7 7 7 77 7 7 gci’oss
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a". a �*i�*e'ifiuer�*i to nee" “son's“ 7 77 77 7 7 across the region is = -: s: 77 7.7, 7767“ 6 joy ode to joy to beethoven's ode to joy to benjamin and his benjamin netanyahu and his coalition. i'mjust 72—7—7f=% ijfi=§ wondering if this is all part of wondering if this is all part .. of s negotiating wondering if this is all part .. of 7 negotiating strategy, the master hagler is going into room ;ter hagler is going into room and hagler is going into room and they er is going into room and they tried |oing into room and they tried to 1g into room and they tried to figure a room and they tried to figure out a way for each man to emerge victorious. and on that cease—fire benjamin 77 benjamin away7 7 benjamin 7 away7to give benjamin netanyahu away to say that the war is over but he is going to the by is going to end the war by ending the very people who live so, could there. so, that could potentially be a for ef�*t5nt'5ue 55 5 5555 5477 77777 77 7 7777777” netanyahu e5t5nt'5115 55 5 5555 t57t77 77777 77 7 777777777 netanyahu asking how c7an allay 7 77 c7an allay the7 77 c7an allay the7 of the he can allay the demands of the right—wing coalition without 77 so benjamin bolting? so benjamin netanyahu can declare the war over. donald trump is saying perhaps donald trump is saying that if the people are gone, z . .7.séesessaé 7a; 5707771; fight.7 7 there is nowar’ to fight. trump also he from 7 7from benjamin 7 7 7 from benjamin netanyahu wanted from benjamin netanyahu is the unequivocal love which is the unequivocal love song which you wanted to hear donald trump was the that donald trump was the greatest president israel ever saw and that is exactly netanyahu said. and benjamin netanyahu said. and the �*thing was donald
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a palestinian state for on a palestinian state for example in the gaza strip. donald trump say this donald trump can say this but do you think the neighbourhood arab countries would allow this? ., �* , arab countries would allow this? ., �*, ., ., . this? that's a fantastic question- _ this? that's a fantastic question. - their| question. before their meeting in the press asked 7 asked that 7 asked that question and trump said we solve donald trump said we solve problems and they won't say no. donald trump said we solve problems that they won't say no. donald trump said we solve problems that he y won't say no. donald trump said we solve problems that he y woi coming 3. 777 7 7lik7e7marl7or71777 77 7 77 7 77 7 7lik7e7marlor717br7ando7 77 7 like marlon brando. in sunday like marlon brando. in the human the godfather. human reference mexico, he's trying to do this “e“�*e he's. truina to �*ie�*ir' 7 77 77 77 7 777 77 you can't refuse approach offer you can't refuse approach foreign affairs and we'll in foreign affairs and we'll see how far that takes them. i ass l�*s fe' �*le" te'sfss. “so“ 7�*.7777 7 7 7 7 77777 7 a feeling you 7.5 feelin7g7you7m7i7ght77 7 7.5 fe7e7lin7g7you7m7i7ght7fin7d 7 have a feeling you might find his first door closed in the his first7door7closed in the but we will see. middle east, but we will see. in terms of a and in terms of a tactic and strategy from donald trump in of777 of77 what you face of opposition ,77what you that could look thifih th5t 55515 1555 “557 7 7 7 or t55555555591515551557 7 7 7 or something more? t55555555591515551557 7 7 7 orsomething more? i think, 7 think, the 7 7 7t7h7in77k,7ti'7teg7uy7 77 77 7 t7h7in77k,7 the7 guy donh-t 7 7 —7: 77 77t7o7fi7g7ht7,77 77 to fight, wa7s finance want to fight, wasthe finance incorporated. if this 77-—
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