the of chatgpt and that is rippled through valley rippled through silicon valley and concerns and raise concerns about censorship. understand 551529355; tg'gnésretané at! " " ' " issues raising, we've been the issues raising, we've been speaking to �*with speaking to reporter with deepseek is a blggmberg, deepseek is a ar—style start—up had previous default 5 those in the low default of those in the worst it released new ai worst and it released a new ai model earlier this that model earlier this month that was good. it says was surprisingly good. it says that it was surprisingly good. it says thatitis was surprisingly good. it says that it is competitive with of i} 5... us of is; ff us and some of the leading us and european ai companies so we are some of the leading us and europe about. impanies so we are

european ai companies so we are talking about. what you make of ?27 way way was the the scope, i'm paying media. the scope. err! paying to media. the scepe. err! paying to ai from all 5 from all over from all over the products from all over the world so it was bit less world so it was a bit less surprising with al insiders who had heard about deepseek, knew the were better the were getting better and better and was an aha moment better and it was an aha moment for the of the world of chinese take is our quickly chinese take is up our quickly chinese take is up and i we saw catching up and i think we saw be the first time that it catching up and i think we saw be the fi check e that it catching up and i think we saw be the fi check for 1at it was a reality check for major media in the us europe uk to say, we have serious theuktosay. wehaye serious here. been ggégggtition hexe. hasn't been. scepticism on deepseek done? " iiidionetitecthw " "doneytechfounder tlelfifl it'e em�*mhffiemfizr fox news tleififl it'e em�*mhffiemfizr fox news fallen for told fox news have fallen for chinese about the chinese propaganda about the

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as my beat, you know, over a year and a half ago, right? i don't know if... we saw, you know, drastic decreases in the nasdaq, etc. but already some of that's rebounding. than they say to produce this technology? on on us technology? please do stay with us, but i want to bring in the uk and europe.

hi. so in china, i think this has been a moment of pride i is talking about this, and... and have they got that information through the media? sorry to interrupt. yes, sure. stopped. there's, of course, _ the connection is being made with the us. so there's all sorts -

of different sentiment there. you very much. tiktok has links to china. its parent company, bytedance, is chinese. and, as we've discussed before on the media show, in washington, was really twofold — security concerns about how americans' personal data might be used, and then concerns around the influence that tiktok may let's understand that further with ciaran martin, intelligence agency gchq. we've referenced so far in the programme does pose a security threat to western democracies?

chinese firm, alibaba, that's come out today to much between us and china than tiktok, which at the end is a social media app and not really on a par with the balance of power. and one of the big uncertainties about deepseek we don't really know the answer to that and it's profoundly or they've done it themselves.

is so important to both countries, and other countries, as they compete to create the most effective advanced chips are essentially like the blood of ai.

like deepseek without. .. access to chips. most notably not under president trump, but under and both kathrin and shirin were saying, in effect, a major demonstration of chinese tech power. of how it came to pass. and what about the argument that we've heard in washington able to access? there's a lot in that, and it's a legitimate concern

and again, deepseek and tiktok are slightly different. in deepseek, if you put in sensitive information a lot of data. picture. tiktok, i think there are weak arguments for banning it and stronger arguments for banning it. the data security model for social media apps is so broken everywhere in the world that if you ban ..the... and not do anything else.

the stronger argument is about the way in which tiktok i think, if you look at the broad sweep of history asked in 100 years' time, at a time of great tension how it works? now, it's not going to perpetrate a massive deception. it's not going to persuade them about... i think is of concern, much more so than data

the influence of china via tiktok might work, you've been looking at the potential impact of tiktok on young people's views. um, yes. so i started discovering... ..that some people started speaking in ways that i hadj so, for those who are not i familiar with what taiwan is, people here speak mandarin too, but they speak it differently, - a bit like the two germanys before reunification, - that a long history- of separation has just led to different use of language. so i started discovering that. and then i became aware that especially the youngest. are becoming heavy users of chinese social media apps. so i was wondering i if that was connected.

and i started doing some reporting around that. i and what was quite striking i was that the young generation so taiwan democratised in the early 19905 afterl that had come over here in 1949 . after it lost the chinese civil l several decades of... war.

so after democratisation, | people were allowed again and so you would have young i generations that were becoming the young... and having a more positive attitude, are you saying, i think, that heavy tiktok use is playing a huge role. - so overall, the school age i population, primary school, tiktok.

and they watch - chinese soap operas. that's something... chinese tv shows, like entertainment shows. i so it's soft power, if you like. how has it gone down, then, it's a partisan issue, i because the former... it's now part of the democracy. so there is a part of- the political spectrum that believes... believes... ..still in a kind - ..still in a kind - of chinese identity. of chinese identity. they don't want to be part of the people's republic l of china, but they still - believe in some kind of unified chinese nation. chinese nation. so those people think it's - so those people think it's - overdone to panic about tiktok. overdone to panic about tiktok. i but then the ruling party here, i and people who want to preserve

taiwan's independence, taiwan's independence, are very, very worried l about this. are very, very worried l about this. they... they... the ruling party basically fear that they are using... - ..that they are losing i the young generation. and that could change - the entire political landscape here. it could basically mean that people are no longer... - ..will no longer be wary about china. i and keep in mind that - the people's republic of china has a standing threat to invade taiwan if taiwan doesn't - at some point agree to unify with it. - so... and is this conspiracy, or is itjust as much or more

but the way this app works is also that the user's - flow as much as on some other social media apps. | the...the tiktok algorithm has a quite strong push function. . so you will end up, maybe, if you're a 14—year—old - taiwanese girl, you got. on tiktok because you like about how taiwanese democracy is inferior to chinese _ democracy, for example, and we, i in our research for this piece, .

to them. that's been done to understand what is being pushed the next stage, the influence that content coming environment, do you go about actually measuring that? impossible. we've been struggling with this type of thing for a decade now. even with different forms

of cyber operations, you go back to the us presidential election of 2016, hacked into hillary clinton's emails and some of those they released them all. that influenced... ..that was decisive in persuading individual voters but i think the very sort of, the sowing of the seeds the disruptive effect is important enough to achieve an impact. about kathrin's work on taiwan. it is, about perhaps some of the curation in terms which is enough to arouse suspicion.

but the one thing that you can't... and then the thing that's completely unknowable cos they don't tell you. about tiktok�*s corporate links to china, theo bertram, tiktok�*s head of public policy for europe, the middle east to hand over data. way under the thumb of the chinese government "is completely and utterly false." now, competitive spreadsheets might not sound like an obvious spectator event, but the recent excel world championships yes, this is excel, as in spreadsheets. it's an e—sport. it's streamed online so you can watch it. it's proving popular.

# who is going to win? we allare! why does it exist and why is it popular? you know, a lot of people use it. in their day—to—dayjobs.

so you walk in there, carrot top is playing there, and there's all the usual las vegas stuff, people in cowboy hats. it's a typical... it's actually a very... so it's a dark room, sort of, um... ..massive screens on the wall. there's a...a place where the audience can sit. watching. big stage. on the stage. people, talking about this event as if it was, like, yeah, i confess...

the commentary is excellent. are the competitors doing? what... 7 do they get set challenges? isat there... but what do they...? are they being set challenges, or what do they have to do? well, ok, so they do a bunch of problem—solving, right? so they're... and these are all the ingredients, and these are the, you know, percentage of the ingredients you need to do. and the competitors have cut and pasted what the problems are, and you can kind of try and read them. and then there's... the numbers change. robert, it's katie here. you sound so

enthusiastic about it. you went in 2023. i can't believe you didn't go back for 202a. are they actually involved at all? they showed up. glowingly of the excel community, but it's actually founded by a company that i believe does training around various products around the competition. is that there is a day of very kind of, um... ..dare i say, dulltrainings that happens at a casino you've got to do the training... ithink you... and just in terms of the media, quickly, is it broadcast? is it streaming?

you can watch it on youtube. and plus, it's going on now. so you can...you can... ..competitive excel fix. ros, i've got an admission. go on. on an excel spreadsheet. no. and then quickly close them. but, really, the question on this item is whether you would watch other people building them. um... and my answer is yes. yeah. i actually... 0k. most of them are on youtube. they are for someone. bye. and if you'd like to hear a longer version of today's

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are a lot lighter further south and temperatures well, they're lower than on tuesday. we're looking at highs between 7 and 10 c. like a stone. scotland. they'll slowly lift and clear through the morning, but a lot of sunshine around, dry and fine. the winds picking up towards the channel coast just a little. there will be some low cloud across many parts of england

there will be plenty of added wind chill, into monday too. but at this stage, the details still likely to change and you can keep an eye on things on your bbc weather bye for now.

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