begin to comprehend that? and so all_ begin to comprehend that? and so all i — begin to comprehend that? and so all i do — begin to comprehend that? and so all i do know is that there are - a _ so all i do know is that there are a wrong here that we are such a wrong here that we have _ are such a wrong here that we have to — are such a wrong here that we have to do _ are such a wrong here that we have to do all we can to make it. and _ have to do all we can to make it. and i _ have to do all we can to make it and i will shut up and it right and i will shut up and hand — it right and i will shut up and hand over_ it right and i will shut up and hand over neil. the big point for me is that there are questions to be asked. the families spotted this obvious issue and were not not heard. very it is itisa it is a matter glggily. it is a matter that close to make those decisions at sure those decisions at the time stand and not a time stand scrutiny and not a fast—track that done soon after. was done very soon after. we can hear your frustration at the lack of accountability for what has happened. ijust want

know, how much of the blame to know, how much of the blame lies with and how lies with individuals and how much of the blame at du think is more organisational, or eifefli eased with eaten with the sereices nationally... i address it as a e’s-sill eddies; it. es s in the nhs, consultant working in the nhs, i will address it as a doctor consultant working in the nhs, i will a idress it as a doctor consultant working in the nhs, i will a medical as a doctor consultant working in the nhs, i will a medicalfamily>ctor consultant working in the nhs, i will a medicalfamily and ' consultant working in the nhs, i will a medicalfamily and what from a medical family and what i want people to understand is that when you go to work and i want people to understand is tha' geten you go to work and i want people to understand is tha' get your u go to work and i want people to understand is tha' get your u go to wori you do you got. your ooyohoouo. you oo"””' ’ ” with responsibility to do best 5 best for your patients. the best for your patients. psychiatry is one branch of medicine where of a does not just impact patient does notjust irooootw "w w w. ”of” patient does notjust irooootw "w w w. ”of” patient and the patient and their well—being, it can the around it is ee-= w 7 {555ng w 7 7 7 7b7rar71ch7of777 77 7 777where 77 7 7b7i’a7i'71c7h7777df 77 7 7 77wherea only bronoh'of medicino'whoro a can be ionly bronoh'of medicino'whoro a can be hurt, where third—party can be hurt, where a member of the family can be killed, where a patient can take their own life, a patient can take the life �*a complete can take the life of a complete stranger, where the patient can

take life of a where com plete complete stranger can take a complete stranger can take the life of my child because choice on �* choice on treatment. if their choice on treatment. if you have cancer and you decide disease is curable, i 7 disease to cur7able, i 7 disease to (treatment, is your choice that is your individual choice but within the psychiatric that is your individual choice but within ite psychiatric that is your individual choice but within it has ychiatric that is your individual choice but within it has to |iatric that is your individual choice but within it has to be ric speciality, it has to be remembered, it is notjust the patient�*s health that is = :——— it is public safety affected, it is public safety at and i think for that at risk and i think for that reason, the accountability is incredibly important. if any of those individuals thought that calocane would go and student 77 student accommodation share student accommodation with their child, i suspect their choices may have been changed. if any of the health their choices may have been changed. if e that the health their choices may have been changed. if e that the valdo care workers that that valdo calocane was the next neighbour of their ithink of their parent, lthink, there may been slightly lam differently informed. i am concerned about the i

differently informed. i am cor thinking jout the i differently informed. i am cor thinking and the i differently informed. i am cor thinking and ti course i differently informed. i am cor thinking and ti course risk i am thinking and of course risk assessment, i there is =§ laziness, i think all of this contributes to the that contributes to the fact that on an is essential. �* levgl is $4. . — the mm— level is essential 7 the day, it is individuals of the day, it is individuals who make up the so don't 7 77d7o7n't7hold7 7 7 77 7 77 don�*t7hold7in7di7v7idu7al7s 7 7 7 you don't hold individuals responsible, this system will never change. to your question neyer change. to your question changing systems, i about ehanging systems; l " " f ' only about ehanging systems; l " " w ' only way about ohanging ayateroag l " " w ' only way of about ohanging ayateroag l ,, ,, w ' only way of doing is 777 is by ' isbyholding 7 5 7 ' is by holding individuals aroma—tab“; question, how did you feel a question, how did you feel when you read report and 7 do you do you now 7 do you now feel? how angry do you now feel? apaned how angry do you now feel? appalled because i think was appalled because i think cqc had already done a the cqc had already done a pretty job, pretty thorough job, really, and pretty thoroughjob, really, and i was quite satisfied with the work from the cqc and i like to thank him would like to thank him for thisr are the this work. they are the regulators and their other this work. they are the regulators an the air other this work. they are the regulators an the future er this work. they are the regulators an the future of how oooolo ahaoo tho futuro of “now system oooolo ahaoo too futuro of “floor system look. reading

a system should look. reading report, i was there were 7 there were gaps, there because there were gaps, there was responsibility by any of was no responsibility by any of the �* any of the the clinicians or any of the care workers. no in health care workers. no one in trust has actually made any professional 77 professional bodies and no the professional bodies and no one this report has been one in this report has been responsible. be one in this report has been i’e where's e. be one in this report has been i’e where's treating, e one in this report has been i’e where's treating, i will asking where's treating, i will be asking him to ask the trust their position on 77 77 77 i7t7hink7the7re 7 7 7 i think there are here to this people here to blame. this man was sectioned four times and fooeef was no change four times there was no change of tack, there was no change of there was no change community care. in fact, 7 7cor7n7r7nthity7c7a7r7e7.77i7n7fact,7t7i17e of community care. in fact, the risk assessments that did —: = -: for their own 7 for their own staff. 7 boob—for their a" "a“ the“ ' w ~ . ' ww ' .. staff boob—for their a" "a“ the“ . ww .. w . ..,.. . .. staff are quoted ieieerter their a" rte“ 1t'heirw w ww ww . w wwwww w ww staff are quoted in this own staff are quoted in this report as saying, not going to visit because report as saying, not going to visi escape because report as saying, not going to visi escape route because the escape route from his apartment is too but he

e-=: fine live 77 fine live in 77 fine live in student is fine to live in student accommodation. it is absolutely so i thoroughly _eport. 7777777777777 77 short 7 7 short 7 �*me. 77 short 7 �*me. as eéee—z—e egeéii eeeéii it does not answer my the nottingham post. i am from the nottingham post. i am from the nottingham post. i wanted to ask a i wanted to’asirabout a certain of i wanted to’asitabout a certain of the report, to any of it 7 it talks 7 15 the families. it talks about 15 instances of extreme violence the trust involving patients at the trust involving patients 2019 and 2023. these not 777 7 not properly not properly acted on by were not properly acted on by board members and ijust wonder to get your thoughts on that because includes three because this includes three fatalities as well. i because this includes three fatalities as well.— fatalities as well. i will start but _ fatalities as well. i will start but i _ fatalities as well. i will start but i don't - fatalities as well. i will| start but i don't - if fatalities as well. i will - start but i don't - if james m s-eak because

iiil 7.72 m 7-7 reside in nottingham. as i have and i'm horrified to quoted and i'm horrified to hear, 50 people died since hear. 50 people have died since and alone through mental health issues and the 15 that were and the 15 cases that were used, i don't know if it is it is part of ey all investigations, they all failed. the word, failure, is coming up again and again and comingupagainandagainand .. . and like sinead said so again and like sinead said so well, the risk is to others here. these are this well, the risk is to others hl danger, e are this well, the risk is to others hl danger, risk a this well, the risk is to others hi danger, risk to this well, the risk is to others hi danger, risk to life. this well, the risk is to others hi danger, risk to life. you this hgggagnger. risk to life. if you have public safety, then don't have public safety. then i got? james, you want what i got? james, did you want to say anything from a local from 777—— perspective? from my perspective, we loved when the body be when nottingham, we 7 what 77 7 what an 77 what an amazing 7 what an amazi7ng city! now i found 7now i found it 7 77now i found it hard 77 7 77now i found it hard to 7 7now i found it hard to see even now i found it hard to see it because for me, it is

ee%we:zc fzéiw? and destruction 77 7 destruction of 77 7 destruction of our 7 destruction of our family �* to think about the thing to think about the my dad future. my dad had grandchildren in the next four years— grandchildren in the next four years that would be going to years thatwou. e o' .o and years thatwould be going to and university, college and university, possibly a nottingham, and college and university, possibly ithattingham, and college and university, possibly lthat they am, and college and university, possibly i that they could 1d college and university, possibly i that they could be the same situation that and grace i and grace were, i 2 and grace were, it is :—= and it breaks your there is nothing heart because there is nothing as an — heart because there is nothing as an - you _ heart because there is nothing as an you can do to as an individualyoucan .- it. as éfi'ifid'ivifiuélyqt-i'fiéflfim - it. you as anifidividualyoucan do to it. you cannot follow as anifidividualyoocan do to it. you cannot follow them e= e——— help them. they are to. beta them 74.14; m to. lleld them they are and have to as well but people there to protect them, the police and nhs, there the police and the nhs, there are - in _ the police and the nhs, there . are - in _ the the police and the nhs, there are supposed the the police and the nhs, there are supposed to the the police and the nhs, there are supposed to help them :he the police and the nhs, there are supposed to help them and ones supposed to help them and keep— ones supposed to help them and keep our— ones supposed to help them and keep our minds at ease by the :-—=: 2—77 77 7 77 7 77 7 2—77 7 77 7 77 7 2—77 7 77 7 -7 i 7 7 ones that failed and they will continue _ ones that failed and they will continue to fail until accountability. can i “ust add in rel

accountability. can i “ust add inlreplylthat_ accountability. can ijust add in l reply . that question. l about7 7 7 about77re7s7p7ons7ibility7 7 about 7re77sp7ons7ibility7and 7 about7re77s7p7ons7ibility7and i77 igalgout responsibility and i it igabout responsibility and i it is a wider question think it is a wider question across society public across society and public bodies and even private organisations around people 77 organisations around people . . and draw a salary that sit and draw a salary from nonexecutive position and a nonexecutive position and don't accept responsibility necessarily that with it. is a real here and in other occurs here and in other places. while we have your u.. u.. .. do . ., i places. while we have your u.. u.. .. do . ., i places. while we have your” 7.7 ..- .,.- .., i the families grateful the b the nottinham support onion by the. dottinonam to their suooort gifiéfi. by e75? fififfifigfiafi to their plight over bbbbbfb giyofi by ebb. fififfifigfibfi to their plight over the post to their plight overthew ww ww wwwww w ww 18 months. is important last 18 months. it is important that we that this that we recognise that this morning. this is something that you have reference to inculcation with eference to inculcation with me �*ence to inculcation with me over to inculcation with me over the nculcation with me over the last :ation is with me over the last week orso is with me over the last week or so but what are your thoughts on the refusal by nhs england up until the last to publish this report minute to publish this report in full? �* , ., ,

minute to publish this report in full? speak— minute to publish this report in full? speak - than i minute to publish this report in full? speak iior�* than words actions speak louder than words and everything has been a battle. have reached out = 777777w7e77ha7d 7 777777w7e77ha7dti71is777 77 try... we had this report delivered to us about weeks and at that we had asked repeatedly .pe°pl7e77 eaeccccrci 7 �* people from the zi— —— e— to us e-e 7 to us by the decided to us by the investigator and the consultancy firm that undertook this. hours and hours sat reading this wretched, and having it presented .:..—;—.csss—.s—o us, and are an to us, and we are an afterthought, and annoyance, is how appears to that is how that appears to have been. it should not take tortured endlessly to us being tortured endlessly to try and get clarity, answers and truth. it should not and the truth. it should not take the times newspaper

it on their page” rs wr we page’ii717e7 .. is "' 77777pa7g7e,77the7nh7s7 7 7 77 77777pa7g7e,77th7e 7nh7s7are 77 z7- to release 7to release the report therfzo release the report therfas elease the report therfas a ease the report therfas a u—turn e report therfas a u—turn at'eport therfas a u—turn at the rt and then as a u—turn at the 11th hour and that of the pressure, the because of the pressure. the . awareness, and it is public awareness, and it is just not right. this just just not right. this is just one example. without the nottingham post, the nottingham post, breaking the media briefing 7777the777chi7e7f777 77 77 7 the 77chi7e7f7bons7tab7le77 7 the 77chi7e7f7tons7tab7le7of police nottingham police force held, none of that rubbish have none of that rubbish wouldhave out, none of the cover—ups come out, none of the cover—ups the misconduct and with the misconduct and the negligence of her not negligence of her officers, not all of them, but some of them. how dare they that. you are =-= and you7 said, no brave and you said, no comedy spoke but all of this is a spoke out. but allot this isa ' ' and we sooise out. but allot this isa ' ' and we have had fight and we have had this until yesterday, do we until teatime yutedagdene ..,.....,...,.., the break the nondisclosure agreements we were forced to

sign with mike we sign with mikewehave been by nhs, we have also to sign nondisclosure e-e with the 7 with the iron pc agreements with the iron pc with regards to the outcome of that has been suggested us that has been suggested to us from the leicestershire investigation. i don't know how much longer that we be a... .......u ....u.u.... .. a w ee 7 if you knew gagged because if you knew what we know about it, you would be as aghast as we are, that is bubbly enough from me. bubblyenoughtrom me. just to do a follow—up ijust wanted to do a follow—up the question of a murder on the question of a murder having seen this report trial, having seen this report and knowing now what you know about about valdo his about—aboutyaldo salosanee his . .. and his capacity and his over densionrmatinoooernis do densionwmatinoooernis do you densionwmatingooernis do you believe that treatment, do you believe that the psychiatric at the -iii! -mh kringle court misled the judge and what do you should be and what do you think should be done rectify i i

done to rectify that? i think i will say - it _ done to rectify that? i think i will say - it is _ done to rectify that? i think i will say - it is certainly . done to rectify that? i think i wi issue i it is certainly . done to rectify that? i think i wi issue thatt is certainly . done to rectify that? i think i wi issue that needs tainly . done to rectify that? i think i wi issue that needs to nly . done to rectify that? i think i wi issue that needs to be . an issue that needsto be— ...w .. a- and ventilated and properly examined full within what say should be remit of 7inquiry so the public inquiry so the relevant people 12” evidence people that provided evidence during process are during the'orooess'are: to come explain compelled to some and esplain basis of gcompelled to some and esplain basis of that. e7tolisi7iv7—7u7p7to that, 777 i737fo7ll8i7w7—7u7p7to that, is just a tollow—up—to that—sis . . any that you aware of to the are aware of to revisit the sentencing, given that he did get hybrid. and. also ask 7777plan7s77 77plan7s7to77 7 77 7 plans7 to meet 7 77plan7s7to7rr71e7et7pe7ople77 7 77 7 7 ton; to holocaust... next ca n the government next week, can you give us about are meeting and 7 7 are meeting and what who you are meeting and what you expect to be fin you expect to be discussed? on the the families the first point, the families expectations are well managed we sentencing does not that we sentencing does not appear to be on the landscape.

second point, as i said on the second point, as i said in the press statement area, we were reassured by the offer to meet with next week. were reassured by the offer to r think with next week. were reassured by the offer to r think it h next week. were reassured by the offer to rthink it is next week. were reassured by the offer to rthink it is a next week. were reassured by the offer to rthink it is a natural next week. were reassured by the offer to rthink it is a natural desire eek. on the part of the families to get there as quickly on the part of the families to get there the uickly know that on the part of the families to get ti thingsl uickly know that on the part of the families to get ti things take ly know that on the part of the families to get ti things take ly knov very these things take time and very a... often a... this is a news conference given often a... th the a news conference given often a... th the a news i to ference given often a... th the a news i to the nce given often a... th the a news i to the terms ien often a... th the a news i to the terms of nottingham killer, t7here who t7h7ere who stabbed calocane there who stabbed together barnaby webber, in codes and money, back codes and grace money, back in june 2023. we are saying goodbye to our viewers on bbc you777 ?:’wewi’i rs. fw’. ;. 7 r you can carry on watching b737c a. . bb7cnews. 7 7 to be on the basis oii we wanted to be on the basis of

being teeth and being meaningtul—wit—h teeth and led. i beingimeaningfuliwith teeth - - = judge led. i do think it is time that _ judge led. i do think it is time that he _ judge led. i do think it is time that he get - judge led. i do think it is time that he get to - judge led. i do think it is - time that he get to - with time that he get to meet with the prime minister and the the prime minister andwwthewwrnos. level the prime minister andthemost -m_ the prime minister anthhewwmost �*level of cabinet senior level of cabinet ministers. is time now. as ministers. it is time now. as well— ministers. it is time now. as well briefed as will be, well briefed as they will be, they— well briefed as they will be, they do— well briefed as they will be, they do not have the full delail— they do not have the full detail and we have to do everything we can to sure detail and we have to do ever are ig we can to sure detail and we have to do everare given can to sure detail and we have to do ever are given that 0 sure detail and we have to do ever are given that opportunity they are given that opportunity so i they are given that opportunity so i do — they are given that opportunity so i do hope that is afforded, we so i do hope that is afforded, - we i have _ so i do hope that is afforded, we have the chance to a very emotional news conference given the

conference given by the families of the victims of that killer, valdo dottinonam tiller. yalo�*o gave a press calocane. they gave a press conference following a major review �*his..- he review of his nhs care. he stabbed death, as we were stabbed todeath. as we were barnaby stabbedtodeath. as we were barnaby webber, stabbedtodeath. aswe were barnaby webber, grace hearing, barnaby webber, grace kumarand hearing, barnaby webber, grace kumar and ian coates injune and the review 2023 and the independent review that have been talking that they have been talking about found there after error, systemic failings in exposing systemic failings in the system carrying, orfailing the system sarryihgt—or falling for the system partying—for failing for him, the system partying—for falling for him, in to care for him, resulting in him stabbing to death their ones on the streets 7 7 77or7tés7on7the streets of loved ones on the streets of in the early hours nottingham in the early hours of in 2023. a ot the merino in be 2o23a' ~ ... ~ . . emotional news ot the "m““c in be 2o2z�*a w ww www ww . w emotional news conference very emotional news conference held there the of three. let's talk to my three who ; talk to my three who was (to my that colleague who was outside that press —— ——— — can press conference. youcae lust—e ..- —— . --. anger press conference. youcae just—e ..- —— . ee— anger as well as press conference. youcae just—e ——— —— . ——— anger as well as the hear the anger as well as the grief in families

the relatives there giving the it news conference today. sees s re news conference today. ses§z - pretty clear _ news conference today. ses§z - pretty clear from - news conference today. as- ’ pretty clear from that was pretty clear from that report from nhs england that were a number of it came to the i treatment he f—fib’ itreatment of ii” i treatment of valdo lb” health treatmentwotww�*a’aldo w ww ww ww killed grace webber ian we webber ian 7777777we7heard7l7ebbbii7 ian we heard from r ian we heard from the ian ........ .o..f. ..- -. . .. 77o7f7the7 77 7 77 7 7 7of the account 7 the 7ofthe account 7 the attack ie account 7 the attack in account 7 the attack in the account in the attack in the news as well as the conference, as well as the �* representing them. i lawyer representing them. i think the takeaway think the overarching takeaway notjust think the overarching takeaway not just there on think the overarching takeaway notjust there on your and was notjust there on your and frustration at the failings by the health fiat? es tbb fibfifai bbaifb 77 who came fibbb by tbb fibfifbi bbbifb 77 who came into but what they say a contact, but what they say is a of accountability. we last. of amounts blity. sets from last. of aseountablity; sets from grace kumar�*s heard from grace kumar�*s father, speaking as

7 hi7n7is7e7lf7, 7 hin7iself, saying professional himselt, saying . needs to be are named and held who are named and held accountable. it was a similar theme that we got from a burnaby weather's mother who also spoke. one of the things most striking in that report which ran in a number of pages fa ct fact that 77 7 7f7acttha7t\7/7;l7do77 was the fact that valdo calocane was sectioned four times, the first 1669 00:17:28,509 --> 00:17:28