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by a paranoid schizophrenic. outlines major failings. isn't good enough. hello, welcome to newsnight live

from broadcasting house. we have interviews and insight for you as always, and later we'll be discussing sir keir starmer�*s lockdown visits from his vocal coach. as the met say they won't investigate, what will the opposition do next? but we begin tonight with a report published today that details the painfulfailings and errors in the care of a paranoid schizophrenic who, in the early hours of onejune morning in 2023, attacked and killed three people with knives, two 19—year—old students and a 65—year—old school caretaker. we'll talk live to the mum of one of the students in a moment,

i think they're dead. oh, that was awful. were found here stabbed to death. one has been named locally as barnaby webber. he tries to break into a building housing vulnerable adults, but is pushed off by a resident. from knife injuries. 65—year—old caretaker ian coates. at members of the public. the man went up in the air. there was such a bang.

valdo calocane was sectioned four times, the first in 2020. _ at all by mental health services in the nine you very much for being

this evening. i know you have had a thiséevening. i know you have had a long day. lona da . ,, thisyevening. i know you have had a long day. you. what is gsrylana day?" ' ' main thing 555"? long day?" ' ' main thing you from gory long dog?" ' ' main thing you from this tho moin'lning wo�*oko�*rfim thio it tho main'thingyootalsofrom ...fo tho main'thingyootaloofrom ...fo tho moifithifigyootoloofrom ...fo report? it is an appalling horror show. report? it is an appalling horror show i is— report? it is an appalling horror show i is part _ report? it is an appalling horror show. i is part of _ report? it is an appalling horror show. i is part of failings, - show. it is part of failings, negligence, mistruths on such an epic level across multiple agencies, police 77 7 police an 77 7 police an entirevmental two7police forces. an entire mental trust, who failed so health trust, who failed so appallingly child is not any more. opportunities, horo any moro. mioso’d’opportdnitioo. ones. and hora any moro. mioso’d’opportdnitioo. ones. and hearing what horo any moro. mioso’d’opportdnitioo. ones. and hearing what you countless ones. and hearing what you had to say, it into my had to say, putting it into my words, just didn't do their wofdoothoyrioot didn't do thoir properly. and wofdoothoyjdot didn't do thoir properly. and so what we have jobs properly. and so what we have had to go through today is part of 2172 very 7:2 svery long, very longipainfulz, tortuous very, very long, painful, tortuous process. very, very long, painful, tortuous rocess. ., ., ., ., ., ”a; ”£6300 1 7 full300 page report to be made

yes. wide? that is a really public. yes. wide? that is a really aood it public. yes. wide? that is a really good - it is _ public. yes. wide? that is a really good - it is shame - public. yes. wide? that is a really good - it is shame on - public. yes. wide? that is a really i good - it is shame on the... wit ”shameful?” " ' ' wit " gha'fii'e'fhlis" ' ' 77w 7”? it shamefulto nhs. shameful, it io ohamodetothomhso. single part of this pass, slngle ' single corner, every we have wevhave had 7 77 wevhave had to 77 wevhave had to fight 77 wevhave had to fight forf = -: we have 77 7 we have 6 fight to listened to. we have had to fight have the 77 have the investigations, 6 have the investigations, the 77 to have the investigations, the reports. have had reports. we have had to fight against the terms of reference. we e— tofight " 77 to fight to get this unredacted had to fight to got thio dnrodaotod like we should have been foi' ” z for three 1 for three weeks ago when it great for three weeks ago when it was presented to us. we were told in no terms that the nhs no uncertain terms that the nhs would not go against the law �*the would not go against the law of the and provide this detailed land and provide this detailed report into public and e—= the 11th "iii; iithrho'uriw ' " w the 11th hour, only yesterday, because we we have they did because we thought. we have put ourselves out there once more to ensure clarity happens, = -::z truth happens, 7

truth happens, and 7 truth happens, and that truth hap and, and that truth hap and individuals are organisations and individuals are held account, notjust the nhs. held to account, notjust the nhs. yes and when you say held to account, it is not about you wanting to name and shame the professionals who treated ida. to name and shame the professionals who treated — who treated calocane. no, absolutely not. i am who treated calocane. no, absolutely not- i am really _ who treated calocane. no, absolutely not. i am really glad _ who treated calocane. no, absolutely not. i am really glad you _ who treated calocane. no, absolutely not. i am really glad you - that l not. i am really glad you asked that it is so important that it because it is so important that it is a witch hunt. are not here is not a witch hunt. we are not here with pitchforks. i don't want to �*the people that have so badly know the people that have so badly in their decision—making failod’in tho'rrdocioion—making and what do and 7 7a7nd7i �*7t7heothe7r77 77 7a777nd7i 7 7the777l>the7r7f7ami7l7ies domand and i know tho othor familioo in complete agreement is we do accountability, 7 7 77 gogu’n’t’a’smt’y,1;n’a�* 7 7 allajatqbnetyfé573153 7 77 accountability, and 7that means, you don't do your properly, if you don't do yourjob properly, you held to for it by you are held to account for it by your professional body, by your youtprojessional body. by your by whoever. so 7gurx,|;ofye .|. “lég'iw. of b whoever. . employer, by whoever. so are you sa in: employer, by whoever. so are you saying there _ employer, by whoever. so are you saying there ; who saying there are some people who failed? .. saying there are some people who failed?- and _ saying there are some people who failed?- and they _ saying there are some people who failed?- and they are - saying there are some people who failed? yeah. and they are still in failed? yeah. and tho; aro otitt in ' . roles? to the failed? yeah. and tho; aro otitt in - roles? to the best of their roles? to the best of our knowledge. — their roles? to the best of our knowledge, yes. _

their roles? to the best of our knowledge, yes. right- their roles? to the best of our knowledge, yes. right right. l their roles? to the best of our l knowledge, yes. right right. we don't there's been don't holiooo thoro'o hoon any action against don't holioyo thoro'o hoon any action against anybody in direct action against anybody in the nhs, in nottinghamshire mental “juc in �*j*“""“a~'hro "no-“fl . ......, ~ ,,, trust, e they have acknowledged now, is another report 7 is another report lays this is another report which lays out failings? i am going to read you the statement from 77 health 7 health care nhs 7 trust health care nhs 7 trust which care nhs 7 trust which wasl nhs 7 trust which was released 777 777they say, they say, "once again, our deepest condolences go out to the families of valdo calocane's victim grace and and who died, ian, grace and barnaby and the victims injured by the victims who were injured by him. we unreservedly for the we apologise unreservedly for the opportunities we in the opportunities we missed in the we accept the report in cabin. we accept the report in its entirety including its and entirety including its findings and we are making clear recommendations. we are making clear progress a trust wide plan progress with a trust wide plan which is already key which is alroady dolivoring'koy in like risk iméffig§m§fit§ inaroao like} “1573; and imétfi¥§m§fit§ inaroao like} “1573; and discharge assessment and discharge processes. i �*this assessment and discharge processes. i �* this will never undo assessment and discharge processes. i �*this will never undo the i know this will novor dndo tho damage caused i know this will novor dhdo tho damage caused by these catastrophic damage caused by these events but we will everything events but we will do everything possible to prevent similar

happening again". is em em 777 isoundso anuiu that? i 777 i sounso an: iu tried? i the emotions because it is control the emotions because it is really important that we come across as reasonably as possible. but this the first report. if ion't tho first rooortl lf edd mafia...” as a ion't tho first rooortl lf too . ~ as a charity, ion't tho first rooortl lf loo . ~ as a charity, set to families, as a charity, set up to support families, victims and murder othoroiicido'a'ndnndrdor throdoh health like othoroiicido'a'ndnndrdor throdgh health like this, it is the mental health like this, it is the calocane. there are 600 reports on = -: that nhs reports the last 30 they all say 7 thins. it 7 thin-s. it is 7 �* things. it7is repetition, 7 but what doesn't happen, is no action. doesn't get there is no action. it doesn't get any if anything, it's any better. if anything, it's getting worse. find that so to have unreserved :7-= 7 the lessons 7the7le7ss7or71s7wil7l77 77 7the7le7ss7ons7will7be 77 apologies, the lessons will be learned. it is noise. enough

learned. it is white noise. enough is enough. learned. it is white noise. enough is enou:h. .. learned. it is white noise. enough is enou:h. ., ., learned. it is white noise. enough is enough-— is enough. can i ask you how you rationalise _ is enough. can i ask you how you rationalise bringing _ is enough. can i ask you how you rationalise bringing up— is enough. can i ask you how you rationalise bringing up a - is enough. can i ask you how you rationalise bringing up a little - gettjn; no no a: o as; 7 gelling him 7 77 7 7p7r7imary boy, getting him through primary school, getting him through 7 school, 7 7 school, getting7him to secondary school, getting him to university, in his year, and university, in his first year, and he is taken from you? university, in his first year, and - he is taken from you? then he is taken from you? yeah. yeah, his... _ then he is taken from you? yeah. yeah, his... his— then he is taken from you? yeah. yeah, his... his life— then he is taken from you? yeah. yeah, his... his life was- then he is taken from you? yeah. yeah, his... his life was not - then he is taken from you? yeah. yeah, his... his life was not lost. j yeah, his... his life was not lost. he was stolen. he was taken. he was —7 in by in our opinion, taken by somebody, in our opinion, who knew exactly he was doing who knew exactly what he was doing what was mentally but had what was mentally unwell but had insight and he was not to e— 7 for murdering my child. i account for murdering my child. i said earlier today, in september saidgearlier today. in september. calocane discharged with 2022, calocane was discharged with no risk assessment. you have alluded that. i won't go into more ...h.e . he was 7 7 7h7ewas7just 7 7 7 he was7just released he was just released into detail. he was just released into the in �*22, was 6! was a warrant issued tor his there was a warrant issued for his arrest because of violence one of many, this previously, one of many, this time an emergency but

an emergency worker. but importantly, for us, in september 22, we took 18—year—old to a city that was nottingham, a city that was not safe to have him. we didn't know we to havo'him; wordidn't'knowthat; wo' know that six months and a later, evil would be waiting in shadows 7 shadows for 7 7 77shadows7for7him77 77 7 7 77shadows7for7him7a7nd 77 7 shadows for him and grac7e 7 7 7shadows7for7him7a7nd 7grac7e and the shadows for him and grace and then later, for you can't help then later, for ian. you can't help but feel guilt.— then later, for ian. you can't help but feel guilt._ you| but feel guilt. you feel that? you know - irrational, _ but feel guilt. you feel that? you know- irrational, i - but feel guilt. you feel that? you know - irrational, i know - ggpévgthat's irrational. i know irrational i'm a parent, ggpévgthat's irrational. i know his �*rational i'm a parent, ggpévgthat's irrational. i know his mum. al i'm a parent, ggpévgthat's irrational. i know his mum. i i'm a parent, ggpévgthat's irrational. i know his mum. i i not parent, ggpévgthat's irrational. i know his mum. i i not stop nt, ggpévgthat's irrational. i know his mum. i i not stop this. i'm his mum. i could not stop this. have to with that everyday. i i have to live with that everyday. i �* is irrational. i i have to live with that everyday. i - is irrational.— know is irrational. i don't actually think is. know is irrational. i don't actually think. is. |think_ know is irrational. i don't actually think. is. | think it _ know is irrational. i don't actually think. is. | think it is _ know is irrational. i don't actually think i is. | think it is really - think it is. i think it is really rational. it is the parental but rational. it is the parental _ but from - rational. it is the parental _ but from myi perspective but from my mother's perspective, it is that invisible umbilical cord. never underestimate, as calm as i may appear, as calm as as caln’! as ! may appoar. aocalnn ao kumar as caln’! as! may appoar. asacalnn as kumarfamily 7as calm as ! may appoar. asacalnn as kumarfamily may appear, and the tgozyiggmar family—may—aoooar, and tho boys appear, the white

thgyigdmar family—may—aoooar, and tho boys appear, the white hot coates boys appear, the white hot fury that runs our veins of to? that “in? thtfiflohfiflroo'fis of the injustice, fef§ that “a"? �*hfe�*eehe�*eroo'hs of the injustice, the mis, fef§ that “a"? �*hfe�*eehe�*eroo'hs oft mistruths r, the mis, fef§ that te"? �*hfe�*eehe�*eroo'hs oft mistruths the e mis, the lies, the mistruths the negligence. we can't get to grieve our catastrophic loss because we are just fighting to get the truth. you said... calocane _ just fighting to get the truth. you said... calocane has not been held to for the �* of barnaby to account for the murder of barnaby and and ian. he is in and grace and ian. he is in hospital indefinitely. it a hospital indofinitoly. it is a hospital he was convicted of gderyyheyyas convicted of on the of 777 777777 77responsibility. do yo7u diminished responsibility- do you see that as him being to a tool’ a oorinvestiaation, a oor investiaation, a of a poor—investigation: aflawod and a investigation and a woak there is investigation and a weak there is evidence prosecution. there is evidence in here that goes against what here that goes directly against what was in court by the expert was presented in court by the expert witnesses, those doctors. reason

witnesses, those doctors. the reason he is not in of a hybrid he is not in receipt of a hybrid order, which is he should be order, which is what he should be having, is because he deemed to resista nt, 7 resistant, which resistant, which means medication didn't work, the the medication didn't work, the level of medication he needed, as thejudge level of medication he needed, as the judge says level of medication he needed, as thejudge says in level of medication he needed, as the judge says in he thejudge says in his summary, he could never be in a prison, he could serve any time in a prison never serve any time in a prison because he would not his becadse he wodld not respond'to his and would pose too much treatment, and would pose too much of risk so he had to be in of a risk so he had to be in hospital. to hear words like, hospitalrfo hoar'words like. will �* be released", "i-inllkely hoolill—everhe released". order", "indefinite hospital order", again, thatis "indefinite hospital order", again, that is a complete and utter mistruth. the stark facts that mistruth. the stark facts are that indefinite hospital 98% of iven given indefinite hospital are out within years and orders are out within 20 years and over 80% are out within ten years. [elm talkin widel we were talking widely this country quite rightly recently about we were talking widely this country quite righti about 1tly about

we were talking widely this country quite righti about 1tly e getting we were talking widely this country quite righti aboutitly e getting 52 n coiooooo’oi 777i 77 7777i7t7 7 775; a whole order, life order, that monster should never come out. but we are faced with our sentence of this murderer, responding to treatment, he is getting better already, that has been evidence, he did respond to treatment whilst he was sectioned, the four times, single time the four times, every single time but it is likely he will be how but it is likely he will be out. how can be right? but it is likely he will be out. how can - be right?— but it is likely he will be out. how can - be right? you 777; _ou very = you ver7y for talking to our audience. we appreciate us and our audience. we appreciate the .. ~ , ., the it. thank you, i appreciate you me. the it. thank you, i appreciate you - me. nottinghamshire - the it. thank you, i appreciate you i - me. nottinghamshire police inviting me. nottinghamshire police commit sense _ inviting me. nottinghamshire police commit sense of— inviting me. nottinghamshire police commit sense of your _ inviting me. nottinghamshire police commit sense of your criticism, - inviting me. nottinghamshire police| commit sense of your criticism, say, commit sonso of yoor'critic�*isnn'says with existing but we are unable to protocol but we are unable to comment directly on matters which comment directly on. matters which included in independent are incloded in an independent investigation which is police investigation which is into the matter is that we ongoing ifif-iii tili- fiétte-f is. that iii?- discussed". thank ongoing into tho. motto? is that tits discussed". thank you very in the care of calocane.

she's talking to us anonymously and we're calling her son "robert" — he wasn't moving forward and i felt... we felt useless, really. and when i read about the... i was sat at home reading the calocane case thing, and i thought, "that could be robert." there's nothing's changed, he's not getting any support and i can't see any future for him, really.

what do you mean by that? he just... you can... he becomes psychotic, really, in his ways, very aggressive. within the hospital. himself and anybody else. he could have, you know, done something that was worse than just hitting them. so my worst fear is that he'll... it'll spiral when he does get ill and he'll hurt somebody, one of the things that came out of the calocane report that's been published today is that calocane's family were not involved

enough in his treatment. are you involved? are you part of it? we tried really hard. that's a longer acting injectable? anti—psychotic. .. anti—psychotic injection. and gave him oral meds to take. we said to them, "don't do it." so they gave him tablets instead? and we could see him getting very, very quickly... behaving more erratically, not being very attentive, becoming more aggressive. he had a job. and we kept contacting

the mental health team, seriously, 100 times. you contacted the mental health team who were looking after your son 100 times? and they wouldn't speak to me because he said, don't speak to me. they told... he told them not to speak to me. he was detained by the police. he's not taking his tablets, and you're saying they're not listening to you? he is really, really bad." that's very interesting." and that was it. you'rejoking? no, that was it.

the keys in the door so at night time, we didn't... we felt safe, we could sleep. what do you say to that? i mean, the head of clinical... for their lack of response, basically. and he did say he'd do more when he came out. so now he's being seen twice a month. but really, ifeel as if it's not enough. they're not... this is robert? this is robert. no trust in the service.

getting for his psychosis? inadequate, really. they've just not... they've just really not done enough and they should be thinking more outside the box, trying to help him move on with his life. i don't want to be nasty with them and i don't want to be pointing fingers. so they've really, really got to think about how they deliver their service for each individual. and this really feels like a warning from you to them about your son? definitely. is that fair?

thank you. comment on indiviual cases, but say... to borisjohnson's brexit deal? all covid rules were followed by him and the voice coach. here was his reply.

that's what i was doing. leaving the cleaners to remove red wine stains. that's the difference. i was working, they were partying. dehenna davison, and labour mp for great grimsby and cleethorpes what is the claim against sir keir starmer? this comes from scooter a new about the labour in a new book about the labour called getting, keir government called getting, that keir starmer had a voice coach in star’m'or�*nao�*s’ooito coach in and star’m'or�*nao�*s’ooico coach in and she

stafm'orhaoa’ooico coach in and she told the authors opposition and she told the authors that opposition and shotoldtho authors that boo, as you reported, that of that boo, as you reported, that in christmas 2020 she went to london with a facemask and advised him on his response to the brexit deal. at that london was in tier 4 covid thattimelondon was in tier 4 covid which meant everyone restrictions which meant everyone must work from home unless they are —: = _z to do so. this 7 to do so. this coach7 she was a key worker. i have said she was a key worker. i have the list of key under that tholist ot'koy'workors under that key public services, you i were7 key 7 i were key workers, we could i were7 key workers, we 7could go work7, ire7 key workers, we 7could go work7, itr77key workers, we 7could go work, it looks vorkers, we 7could go work, it looks vork where7l 7could go work, it looks vork where7she ild go work, it looks vork where she was o to work, it looks like where she was covered if you were covered as if you were of administration deemed essential to delivery of the covid response, the delivery of the covid response, so ministers making statements in opposition politicians parliament, opposition politicians making statements in their support team, seems to be where it is team, that seems to be where it is today we lead police 7777r>7°ii2e77§41777ii77i as 7 7777polic7e7w77il7l his} look7 metropolitan police will not look into this because at fault outside three �*time frame, it three �* time frame, it was the three year time frame, it was more years ago —— more than three years ago —— because it falls outside three

it falls outside the three year time it looks like there is no frame. it looks like there is no legal challenge but legal challenge to keir starmer but there are political questions. is keir who was so strict keir starmer, who was so strict about being strict covid, did about being strict during covid, did he really feel that a voice coach an essential key during was an essential key worker during the pandemic? that is where this has was an essential key worker during the pa up. nic? that is where this has was an essential key worker during i the pa up.- is where this has was an essential key worker during i the pa up._ere this has was an essential key worker during i the pa up._e this has was an essential key worker during i the pa urn—is has was an essential key worker during the au. ~ ., ,,, as ended up. melanie onn, is sir keir starmer a _ he - ended up. melanie onn, is sir keir starmer a _ he was i starmer a hypocrite? no, he was very clearly working. _ starmer a hypocrite? no, he was very clearly working, in _ starmer a hypocrite? no, he was very clearly working, in stark _ clearly working. in stark ---. --. the clearly working. in stark contrast the conservatives who know to the conservatives who we know were _ to the conservatives who we know were conducting parties at that limo _ were conducting parties at that time. , ., , ., , were conducting parties at that time. i. , .,, ., time. do you think people who were allowed to time. do you think people who were - allowed to see _ time. do you think people who were - allowed to see loved _ time. do you think people who were | - allowed to see loved ones during accept 7 accept that 7 accept that a 7 in his advising him on 7777bre7xit 7 77 brexit was necessary for to 7 to do 7 to do his job? 77 77 7dif7fi7cu7lt7 7 77 7dif7fi7cu7lt7to777 7 777 7d|ff|cu7lt7tooo7mpare 7 777 7dif7f7i7cu7lt7tooompare those two very difficult to compare those two things. _ very difficult to compare those two things, being in opposition at the things;beinginopposltiona. .- that things;being—in—opposltionatrtho -m_ things;beinginopposltionat the that was part his wider time, that was part of his wider team — time, that was part of his wider team do— time, that was part of his wider team. �* ., . time, that was part of his wider team. �* .,. .. time, that was part of his wider team. �* .,. .,, time, that was part of his wider team. �* .,._ team. a voice coach was necessary for him to — team. a voice coach was necessary for him to do _ team. a voice coach was necessary for him to do his _ team. a voice coach was necessary for him to do his job? _ team. a voice coach was necessary for him to do his job? it _ team. a voice coach was necessary for him to do his job? it is - team. a voice coach was necessary

for him to do his job? it is very - for him to do his “ob? it is very difficult when — for him to do his “ob? it is very difficult when it — for him to do his job? it is very difficult when it is _ for him to do his job? it is very - difficult when it is - members, difficolt’whon'it'ia familg'momoora. difficult'whon'it'ia family'momoora: it was really —7 -o —— challenging for people who did not see their— challenging for people who did not see their families, i did not see my family— see their families, i did not see my family for— see their families, i did not see my family for a — see their families, i did not see my family for a very long can see their families, i did not see my family for a very long z: -:z how a voice would unoorstano hot? a ooico coach ooulo necessary? unoorstano fist? a ooico coach ooulo�* necessary? i uooacstaoo hoof a ootco coac; sou.- necessa ? .., , be necessary? lea-n. ur�*r dude are em be necessary? lea-n. ur�*r dude are m it! be necessary? lean. . _ are and is a occasion iifl big occasion that support in delivering big speech was dealt delivering a big speech was dealt with in— delivering a big speech was dealt with in the way that it was. you think - was _ with in the way that it was. you think. was a _ with in the way that it was. you think. was a key _ with in the way that it was. ym. think was a key worker? with in the way that it was. you think. was a key worker? i i with in the way that it was. you - think. was a key worker? i think think she was a key worker? . police have there was no the police have decided there was no furiher— the police have decided there was no further action take... further action to take... both _ further action to take... both talk at do you think she both talk at once do you think she was a key worker? ni7ck�*s ni7ck's those about nick's description. in those guidelines. does it smell to i think if there is an issue you? iygtggk-if .~ ~' ..' ~ rm you? iygtggk-if .~ ~' ..' ~ mam you? cerium m- you? iygtggkjf ' ' keir starmer will absolutely 7 issue, let's investigate further. he has - clear— issue, let's investigate further. he has - clear if _ issue, let's investigate further. he has clear if he has ever has been very clear if he has ever accused _ has been very clear if he has ever accused of— has been very clear if he has ever accused of wrongdoing that he will tackle _ accused of wrongdoing that he will tackle these things head—on. he

accused of wrongdoing that he will tackle these