former harrods employees accuse mohamed al fayed's brother for the department store. they're aiming to "make europe great again." on staff working for the international actions targeting the us and its close ally, israel."

mr netanyahu called the court "anti—american" and anti—semitic. the icc — for its part — alleges that israeli prime against humanity in gaza. the icc has promised to continue to function despite the executive order, which it says seeks to harm its independent and impartial work. on the court's staff. crimes against humanity and war crimes. atrocities to account.

russia, and the united states. in november, it issued arrest warrants for and former defence minister, as well as the military commander of hamas. let's go to the hague now and speak to our she has covered of the cases which are covered by the give 7 give us a sense icc. give us a sense of the level of concern there at the court. ., ., , ., level of concern there at the court. ., ., . have had a statement from flit/e have had a statement from icc flit/e have had a statement fram icc saying flit/e have had a statement fran’i icc saying the could stand the icc saying the could stand by its personnel and firmly by its personnel and pledges to continue providing justice and hope to millions of victims around the innocent victims around the world, we call on our 125 states, parties and nations to

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for more on the implications of this row we can speak now to sir geoffrey nice — a barrister who worked at the international criminal tribunal for the former yugoslavia and led the prosecution of slobodan milosevic, good to have you with us on the programme and as an i was saying, there were lots of details we do not actually have yet, based on what know, yet, but based on what we know, what level �* impact could this what level of impact could this have on the of the i have on the work of the icc? i hope very little. i hope hope very little. indeed i hope it may rebound and the it may rebound and persuade the 125 countries that are state parties to this court to stand one and 7 president as one and decline president trump power he so enjoys wielding by instant diktat,

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