hundreds take part in an anti—knife crime march after the fatal stabbing of 15—year—old harvey willgoose and south africa's president cyril ramaphosa says his country won't be bullied after us president donald trump criticised south africa's land laws on bbc news, newscast. a birthday party of sorts. yes, fifth year commemoration

of the newscast daily edition. do you think we'll get our own party when it's our own party when it's some anniversary spuriously over the weekend editions? well, i think... mlel' re late 43.135! but anyway, we did have a newscaster, which is always keeps us honest. on the celebration. that's impressive. i have been trying to find the celebration programme on sounds and iplayer and failed." oh, dear, we're so sorry! "can you tell me where to find it?" well, there is a link to the iplayer version in the episode description on sounds if you want to watch it in full. newscast. newscast from the bbc. it's paddy in the studio. because newscasters will remember one of the promises made by candidate donald trump of being inaugurated, which he didn't. newsflash — it hasn't happened. but he did, over time,

start to kind of modulate that. he then suggested maybe three months, maybe six months, the vice president, jd vance, will be there, not him himself. not him himself, at the munich security conference, that's coming up this week. i like the phrase the grand reveal. they roll the pitch for ideas in advance of big set pieces. being floated, which were at the extreme deal for ukraine with russia, united states

and ukraine all involved. so that's why we're going to turn to our expert witness, friend of the podcast, james waterhouse. so, james, you've been the ukraine correspondent now there for quite some time through the whole of this conflict, so you really know this in and out. what do we know about the hints and nudges how seriously are people taking it? the best barometer here is the people you is the people you speak to president zelenskyy himself. and on the latter, it's the first time we've seen him embrace the fact that american therefore western help a transactional one. where he sat there with a big map pointing out all of his country's natural

resources, critical minerals and he is saying to america, to donald trump, "look, yyou can have a slice of this as long a slice of this as long as you keep helping us out militarily." so we are seeing president zelensky, engage in the deal. zelensky engage in the deal. he's also saying that the next few weeks are it's the first time i've heard him say that. is putting on solving this war seems to be of things going around. in terms of foreign troops being on the snowy ground frozen conflict, and for economic longer and at the moment, there is no sign that

when this war is frozen. as for russia, there is a tangible benefit, of what it has taken. were encircled, bombarded when children were killed out of radiators to stay alive as russian forces moved in. it seems as that moscow will be rewarded for the full scale invasion it has sustained. and as for the conversation itself, we've got this kind of diplomatic triangle, haven't we? and president zelensky is trying to get a what they won't be able to see is that there's a bit of a rustling, i think, because if you're a big, sensible, warm jacket and your gloves that you are wearing. so that's the sort of mysterious rustling.

sorry about that. no, don't be. say time and time again. most wars end round a table with a map and the key players. so the questions you ask is where is the table? who's at the table and what does the map look like? that's the lesson of history, and we've tested that view. it sounds flippa nt. we've tested that view with the best experts all of ours and all of the independentjournalists, and that is how wars end. and if you go back maybe six months ago, was it when we spoke to jens stoltenberg, and one of the things that he just said so

but it was one of the first moments when you which was always, "i will not give an inch. no. you know, it is here in dnipro, laura, where it was hoped before that, it was a hub for refugees displaced by that. for refugees displaced by that, the shock and awe of russia's full—scale invasion. there is heavy artillery on the horizon, and i think ukraine's counter—offensive... i was in the first village that was was liberated. it was a it was a more of more of a hamlet reduced to rubble,

and the russians were still in in three directions going all the way to the sea of azov further south. and they haven't really gone any further. in that the kremlin is trying to max out. it is continuing with its attritional tactics of launching wave after wave of attack underman ukrainian positions to try and take to target major motorways and supply routes, which is leading to more territory falling so, you are not hearing now the idea of complete liberation, 1991 borders. in the detail, and the focus shifts once again to the political stage, rather than the grinding

it's a large swathe of the east of ukraine, all the way down to crimea, which vladimir putin already have been killed or wounded. the economy is hobbled, he's a pariah, and inevitably, that is something that if you are as well if it is a deal. but it's hard to imagine vladimir putin imagine vladimir putin reverse gear because he hasn't to this point. donald trump's peace

vision, such as america vision, military support, such as allowing russia to keep hold ukraine to challenge it on the battlefield later on. for russia because it's about concrete outcomes. and if you have you know, we're talking about maps that is easier to recognise than what ukraine gets. however, we are talking about president zelensky, who stayed when many expected

he would be killed that is quite something, three years on, when many expected that russia would take the whole here and talk to you. and again, we began by saying, balloons are floated. "yes, there will be a phone call call between yes, there will be a phone call call between president putin and zelensky. are you hearing anything about that? with donald trump. is there a meeting happening? president trump himself

was asked in the white house, he said, "probably i'm not going there in if donald trump is already ruling out notjust a visit to the munich security conference, and it feels like what's more likely to happen moscow red unare before he will engage in ukraine. its own interests in, in trying to form some kind of peace deal. now, you can never generalise, and it's daft always to think that people all think the same thing in the same country. but as you suggest, it is in a way remarkable on paper with where we started three years ago. they have managed to hold off russia. to hold off russia,

he has been feted around the world as an incredible political leader. because i remember we were lucky enough to go to kyiv a couple of years ago and then again later, but how does it feel now? the willingness to keep fighting from a very for some time. that, alongside the toing and froing of american support, having to be consistent against an autocratic russian regime that has been hellbent on taking speak soon. exposed to on social media. done a lot of work with families, which has really

reduced us to silence. trying to hope that the lesson of the loss of their child can to protect other children. would ever want to report on. that there were things that they were children we've talked a lot about how the government but there is a new development where there are a group of four british families, four british parents —

and they as a group, are suing tiktok in america. because you have british families seeking redress, about what happened to their children by using the american courts. isaac, archie, julian —jules, he was known as — and maya died like a sort of 21st—century version of dares — people might remember the ice bucket challenge, something that looked like it was much more benign and actually was a fun

viral craze online. but in these cases, these parents firmly against tiktok that's been filed says and that its algorithms push dangerous content like pranks to children in a way that is completely unacceptable. and i sat down with the four of them together this morning here at the bbc to hear their stories, and also why they hope step to take — notjust for them, but also to raise themselves in these kinds of terrible situations. they need to have to look at... and we want tiktok

to be forthcoming. wanting to help us, why hold back from why hold i've tried various support groups and things before and it hasn't worked for me. i haven't found it helpful. and actually a friend i said to me yesterday, in the same situation. complete opposite. to pick up the phone — and we've all done it where

where you it's very difficult to function and to pick up thank you for bringing that laura to the table. in grief, and they want it all to mean something. they all did the right thing. these weren't kids who had gone off and were doing things terribly in secret. liam told us powerfully about the moment when maia came to him and said, "oh, hey, dad, can i download tiktok?" you know, they were checking their kids' phones. they weren't people who were completely ignorant about what was going on.

and yet these terrible events took place you know, these were not the parents of children who had already been very troubled children who'd already been finding life very, very difficult. 7 these cases from their parents' testimony, happy—go—lucky kids who were dabbling now, as you say, see, tiktok have said, look, tiktok says it prohibits dangerous content or challenges on the platform, but it does feel at the moment, almost on a on a weekly basis, there are families "are around internet safety." the phones in the sea, turn off the internet. which some politicians think should happen for partly for different security reasons. but it's so powerful to listen to them and to hear their stories. and one of the things that they are angry about is they feel

to the united states, to get the answers to find in their own country. when technology changed. motor vehicle on the road, someone was killed by a motor vehicle. on metalfatigue. then there was seat belt introduction. cigarettes killed my dad." they went, "no, it's healthy. here's an advert. so what's happening is it looks

a great deal like governments and companies are running retrospectively to catch up with the harm that technology can do. they're trying to say, look, there weren't the protections searches for the blackout challenge now. but it's about what happened when there wasn't a ban journalistic colleagues, told the times this week in his view, he thought that social media for kids was like looking at smoking and cancer back in the �*50s or �*60s. he made that comparison, right? he said, this is something. but for children who might be radicalised, young men in particular, who might be radicalised, most senior police officers putting his hand up and obviously, here at the bbc, we're not expressing views is taking on more and more power almost as each week goes by.

and the angry algorithm is what drives engagement. marianna spring, our colleague, does a lot of work on this. "well, this is what actually happened, guys." ploughing this furrow, dedicatedly because it ploughing this thorough, dedicatedly because it keeps happening. happening all the time. on this story about tobacco in another era of my life. in the 1950s? no, in the 1990s, actually, because it was there were big tobacco cases when i was a business journalist in the states.

to try to grapple with keeping people safe online — it is now a piece of legislation, but the the regulator ofcom hasn't finished off yet, writing its codes as they're called the rules and regulations. there's a lot of kind of disquiet and concern in fact, the home secretary, yvette cooper, said that to us on the show last weekend when we were talking about young men viewing potential terrorist content or violence online. but we're in this sort of wait—and—see moment. so, will the online safety act actually do keep people safe online? but i think a bit publicly, but a lot privately in government as well. there is an acknowledgement that this legislation is going to have to keep up and keep being reviewed because the technology races ahead and nothing happens very fast in westminster. and i mean, we can check what differentjurisdictions do.

and in the case that you're mentioning, was cancelled in australia because you could not view it here in the united kingdom. well, in australia is an interesting one and actually, we've been trying to get the australian government to come and talk to us about that. so if anybody from the australian government about it from you. but also any newscasters who might be in australia or have australian relatives. that other countries aren't. well, the government here always sort of says, "well, we're not sure," but the online safety act is a mammoth piece of legislation. it is a big deal that it finally came into force. anticipating moment to see how much difference what are you going to do tomorrow? i'm going to ask, how do we triage trump? so, the most powerful man in says things that are very important. but he says so many things, it's called flooding the zone.

going to be on gardeners' question time? what does the new white house mean for your petunias? right. today, our gardeners' question time — the garden at the white house. then what will donald trump mean here on desert island discs? what are donald's favourite desert island discs? so, obviously, you've got to find a filter. how do i find out what's important, in personal memos, which private diplomatic memos which were leaked. donald trump a chance.

he negotiated the abraham accords accords in the middle east. and there is substance that we have to pay attention to, so that's one of the subjects. nato countries to pony up more money on defence by threatening president to send more troops, or to put together a package that sounds at least sounds like more troops. go to the border. it is a huge challenge. that's really interesting. and i will tune in retrospectively tomorrow. retrospectively tomorrow shortly about the government's plans for housing and a few other things besides. couple of days has made a lot of headlines by her decision that the grenfell tower should be taken down. so, we will speak to her about that and we'll have that on bbc1 at nine tomorrow morning. and then we will be reunited on sunday's newscast tomorrow afternoon.

and i will be watching you retrospectively. of course, that's the advantage of the technology if you're and anyway, enough about us to you listening. journalism from the newspapers, our rivals, ourfriends in other broadcasters, and we'll be reunited on sunday's newscast. hello. saturday has been a dull and cloudy day for the bulk of the uk, with rain and drizzle around. if you went high enough into the hills, yes, we have seen some wintriness over the last 2a hours. above sea level and that kind of height, yes, there have been a few flurries here and there, but for most it's just been in scotland, meanwhile, not a cloud in the sky for the highlands. a beautiful day here. we've had a ridge of high pressure with us, and we're going to keep those clear skies throughout the night. turning misty with outbreaks of rain and drizzle and for the most part, temperatures stay just

but in scotland, a widespread frost for northern areas. now this ridge of high pressure is going to get and that means more of scotland should have broken cloud and spells of sunshine. there'll be fewer showers as well for eastern areas of scotland. of cloud to start the day with mist pretty extensive, and drizzle around. now, much of the damp weather will tend to be really focussed temperatures, for the most part about 4—6 celsius. high pressure stays to our northeast, continuing if you're out and about. another grey, cloudy, misty start to the day. through the morning, particularly towards the far southeast. could be a resumption of some showers towards the east coast.

for tuesday, it's a case of spot the difference. a weather front does try to come in from the atlantic but makes little overall progress towards the south live from london, this is bbc news. after almost 500 days in hamas captivity — the red cross, and are now back in israel. cheering. an outpouring of emotion — family and friends of the released hostages watch on live from tel aviv as their loved ones return.

seven have been taken to hospital in khan younis. by sir keir starmer. whalesong. and what do whalesong and human language got in common? find out later in the programme. as part of an internationally brokered ceasefire deal. has expressed shock at what he described who were paraded on stage before being handed over to the red cross. israel's ministry of health

says they had all had suffered severe weight loss.