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and north—west of scotland. and the breeze making it feel cooler in the west. but outbreaks of rain then start to become more wintry over higher ground. things icy on the hills, as well. for the start of the weekend, not only have we got cloud, we've got a greater chance of chance of rain from this weather system, which isjust slowly working across central parts of the uk. south—west england into wales, the midlands, northern england in northern england and even to lower levels for a time in fizzles out in situ.

still a little bit damp and drizzly with some drier than saturday. a brighter day in northern ireland, wales as we go into next week, there are changes afoot. for england and wales, but rain in scotland, for the rest of the week. your full forecast is available, of course, on the bbc weather app. see you soon.

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