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comes co m es after comes after the vice president spoke yesterday. later on today, shortly in the j j the foreign 7 fact, the foreign secretary will be speaking alongside ministerfor germany's minister for foreign and the foreign affairs and the polish foreign minister. �* chief corresondent is arseniy yatsenyuk and asked him if he was concerned about we are living in an abnormal
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normality. are dermatitis; eereesahs a�*sr ' the dermatitg; ee'eesahs a�*sr ' the latest shocked with the latest developments the european developments in the european — american relationship. i was not. we need to circle. to europe and ukraine. defend europe and ukraine. where is a chance that can leave this (fight. ve this (fight. we 1is (fight. we have righteous fight. we have to realise that we to do our realise that we need to do our to back. it realise that we need to do our to me back. it realise that we need to do our to me putting :. it 7 77 champagne or777 now is having champagne or champagne would be the e!!! ste - because he next step because he would like to leave the he is to leave the sanctions. he is urging president trump to get talks as seen as these talks as soon as possible. do you think that -hone possible. do you think that i phone _ president as.” agas.ss..s...e , 56766577
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ganglia” too litugin and putingave away too to the russian hat this diplomacy does not smellggpd , by president zelensky expressed by president zelensky is that what matters a lot is 7 7 what security guarantees, what are your security your worries about security guarantees? the us is indicating it will only be responsible that. in his in in his in terms in his in terms of his in terms of security speech. in terms of security guarantees, i strongly believe that only security that the only security that the only security thatis that the only security that is solid and is article five �* the viable is article five of the nato. .. ,, ., , viable is article five of the nato... ,, .,, ., ., nato. .. the us has not agreed. that is an _ nato. .. the us has not agreed. that is an issue. _ nato. .. the us has not agreed. that is an issue. i me - nato. .. the us has not agreed. i that is an issue. i me remind that is an issue. let me remind united states government tar—aim and all nato allies follow the united states was a guarantor serenity7
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thaf that7is independence. that is second, in 77777777r7est to the 77 bucharest to the nato issued a 'oint plea issued a joint plea and allies issued a joint plea and have been committed to f 7 ukraine nato77member making ukraine a nato member state. i do believe it is not making ukraine a nato member state. the believe it is not making ukraine a nato member state. the us .ieve it is not making ukraine a nato member state. the us .ieve ii to not making ukraine a nato member state. the us .ieve ii to reject aspirations and ukraine's nato aspirations and i believe that the new us i do believe that the new us administration needs to realise russia is an arch enem that russia is an arch enemy and arch rival to the united and security of the states and the security of the american people. the stronger would 7 77 my; 7 77 77 7 77 agaiaigghe' 77 77 7 "agaiaig,1’he'””“ihe nato would be, the stronger the would in terms of us would be in terms of security, economy and the rest. leaders of are you hearing from leaders of as a ukrainian wants �* about your to hear about solidifying your future? fin to hear about solidifying your future? ., to hear about solidifying your future? . ., future? on one hand i i am insnired — future? on one hand i i am inspired with _ future? on one hand i i am i inspired with _ of friends. they the threats and see understand the threats and see the challenges 2:1; like
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find a fix. on other to find a fix. on the other hand, we have to undertake to find a fix. on the other hand, we effort» undertake to find a fix. on the other hand, we effort in ndertake to find a fix. on the other hand, we effort in orderike to find a fix. on the other hand, we effort in order to enormous effort in order to persuade the american administration. they still have $3575??— iii administration. they still have 7' e , if the chance. if “�*..".“�*i777777 don't, the chance. 95 “witt""f" don't, the the chance. 95 “xiii"w" don't, the world the chance. 25 25; 4m“? - don't, the world always fl : leaders : {5&5};th on the hand, and emerge, qn the lane hand; and has emerge, qn the lane hand, and has prevail, emerge, qh the ehe hehdt ehe has prevail, on democracy has to prevail, on the other hand, if the § now win. trump has to realise would like to that putin would like to humiliate the united states. humiliate the united states, korea, iran and the other north korea, iran and the other pariahs of this world. lets go live now to munich and join a with david join a session with david lammy. and otherforeign
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lammy. and other foreign ministers. lammy. and otherforeign ministers. this is germany's foreign minister and they are currently answering the currently answerihgrthefiw l , l of currently answerihgrthefiw l — l of whether europe is question of whether europe is facing an crisis facing an existential crisis �* europe will be able have a seat at tozhave a seat at the table the us negotiates along if you arejoining us the z” bbc news. we the world this is bbc news. we are new live to the security the conference where the existential crisis in europe is being discussed and whether it have a seat the table will heve e seet'et the table trump and will heve e eeet'et the tehte trump and putin when treme end utedihtir fetih i when trump end viedimir ' when treme end viedimir ' discuss. i would like to clarify. _ discuss. i would like to clarify, when _ discuss. i would like to clarify, when you - discuss. i would like to clarify, when you think| discuss. i would like to - clarify, when you think about how at this stage is not how europe at this stage is not around the in of
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around the table, in terms of negotiations for ukraine, your how can 2— -e putzto the 77: putzto the content at the make the united table and make the united states president to table and make the united sta' want esident to let table and make the united sta' want from 1t to let table and make the united sta' want from these to let table and make the united sta' want from these peace let negotiations? well, we are here and we will _ negotiations? well, we are here and we will not _ negotiations? well, we are here and we will not - our- negotiations? well, we are here and we will not - our own i eh}! iee e'“ “efleeeeeweeh and eee eee ee'“ hefleeeeeweeh and i can ehe ee e'” "eheeeeeteeh and i can only repeat continent end i cen only repeet be any there won't be any lasting peace if it is not european peace. have heard agreed peace. we have heard agreed peace. we have heard a speech on this stage would 6 would like toébe yesterday, i would like to be crystal clear, this is a moment of truth. everybody the of truth. everybody in the world has decide whether you world has to decide whether you on the side �*the world has to decide whether you on the side �* the free stand on the side of the free world or you stand on the side those 5 those who against the of those who fight against the . . we are standing on the side of the heuteuhnethe side of the free sheaking my own we are so we are so lucky we arg so lucky my country, we are so lucky in my generation and that our generahmandthat edr etties. �* polish partners, and uk, they have
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france and uk, they have brought democracy to my country we vieit"' we it resilient j j we it resilient to: j and we call it resilient to democracy, that if you resilient ou fi . ht enemies of your the enemies of your democracy and our enemy, this is and our biggest enemy, this is where i disagree with the ehcrc�*i dwearccmfn the from ehcrc�*i dwearccmfn the from our enem? enemy at the moment ehemi; at the moment is rusher put in's rusher because he has declared war on our european peace and our european this is why i swore democracy. this is why i swore as a politician a as a politician in a european to defend ggmoggagy is to defend the against enemies from democracy against enemies from and to outside and to defend it against the enemies againstthe enemies from this is also called againstthe enemies from t democracy. illed againstthe enemies from t democracy. if ed resilientdemostaty, !f the extreme right or radical extreme right or are 'f'amct "after ee cause ~ ~ , ~ , ~ ~ against our is 7 is strong sweetest; ”see, e we,” *tth ’ fizfiwrtothisisthei you??? iiz’e 7,77: you have to pick side
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the liberal world, for the free and liberal world, world of this is the world of democracy. this is what europe is all about. the words president was threat is from within, but minister is irii’ihiéieii; highlighting z iiiéfieii; highlighting 5 13255 $6 highlighting z 7” 7 thatte an external :ing 7 how do you assess where j where the: where thezthreats? ih we have no doubt edgedeeduhtt ’ e ’ ' ’ ' ’ ' ’ t h re a t edgedeeduhtt ’ e ’ ' ’ ' ’ ' ’ threat to the threat to europe and liberal_ the threat to europe and liberal democracy comes from putting's russia. numerous war crimes been numerous war crimes have been and numerous war crimes have been _ and putin— numerous war crimes have been and putin is an committed and putin is an war criminal. ree— the late than the late soviet union. there _ than the late soviet union. there are more political in russia than ever prisoners in russia than ever before — prisoners in russia than ever before i_ prisoners in russia than ever before. i am too heteree i am net tee werried * meshed” w” w heteree i am net tee werried * meshed” w” r” not havin- been about europe not having been consulted before the call. i think— consulted before the call. i think the call was a mistake, i think—the oatlwes—a ,.
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because it vindicates ? president putin and lowers morale _ president putin and lowers morale in when morale in ukraine. when president trump says that as part— president trump says that as part of— president trump says that as part of a _ president trump says that as part of a deal will have part of a deal there will have to european troops, it to be european troops, it will have — to be european troops, it will have to — to be european troops, it will have to be asked to supply sooner or sooner or we will i sooner or. we will have l so seone'r'er taterwewih a, be so sooner'er taterwewithfivr- i be involved. in a i so sooner'er taterwewitt have be involved. in a broader to be involved. in a broader sense _ to be involved. in a broader sense, this is crisis, a sense, this is a crisis, a crisis _ sense, this is a crisis, a crisis - a _ sense, this is a crisis, a crisis a result of crisis and a result of europe having — crisis and a result of europe having consumed peace dividend for too _ having consumed peace dividend for too long. in we have fortoo long. in poland we ~ a for too long. in polendweheve .w had a super law guaranteeing - defence _ had a super law guaranteeing defence ministry to a the defence ministry to a percentage of gdp for years. 27:2 we are enough. scared enough lasllue m = -=
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operating which the russian's call reconnaissance battle, you push and you see what — battle, you push and you see what happens and then you what happensand thendfod -m what happensand thendfod what happensandt , ,, - your it is a change your position. it is a legitimate tactic. �*13— to legitimete testis. we need te ”” ’” "e and legitimete teetie he need te ”” ’” "e and i legitimete teetie he need te 'ee eee "e and i am -lad that fee�*e�*uhe she's“ filed ti? 777777 7'”’"" r=’—�*e't�*"e eee ! erfl filed ttfit 7’ 777’ 7t’t' ”’ has called to paris and i leaders to paris tomorrow and i expect— leaders to paris tomorrow and i expect them to relate to this a very serious a ve serious in a very serious fashion. one ofthe in a very serious fashion. one of the comments _ in a very serious fashion. one of the comments from - in a very serious fashion. que: of the comments from president macron has been that we : buy buy european... cannot external pean. .. cannot external defence, cannot external defence, he :annot external defence, he has ot external defence, he has a buy external defence, he has a strong opinion towards buying 7 w w defence: ,,, 7 w w defericerhowr 7 77 77 oo'fo'oojho’w' you etr'eeeen defense, he see". a r” , , 7's ~ 7 european colleagues escses" de�*e"'e he see c, r" , , d, " s european colleagues to more european defence? some buy more european'defenee? some them believe that the to 77777777d7on7al7t7i7 77 7 77 77 7 77777777don7al7t7i7tru7mp7 77 77 7 7 7 donald trump is 7 7 7 donald trump is to 7 further deals. 7, have further deals. iii find auainst [m
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7— many of us are proud to say that— europe - many of us are proud to say that _ europe is i many of us are proud to say that _ europe is a i 2 where as; was é effectively. ? _t :— _t a: _t a: —it military- of is concerned, technology is concerned, europe has - seen _ technology is concerned, europe has - seen for— technology is concerned, europe has - seen for a _ technology is concerned, europe has - seen for a long - technology is concerned, europe has - seen for a long time i hes ideen seen fer e tend tir'ne' 'e'eeee"eeeeeeeee la n u in. hes: ideen seen fer e tend tir'ne' 'e'eeee"eeeeeeeee la- -|n- behind, hes iseen seen fer e tend tir'ne' 'e'eeee"eeeeeeeee la---in behind, i cannot notice $ 22:77 last week, help but notice that last week, this week_ help but notice that last week, this week in _ help but notice that last week, this week in paris _ help but notice that last week, this week in paris on _ this week in paris on monday - b“lion— this week in paris on monday - billion were _ this week in paris on mondayi - billion were committed this week in paris on monday. - billion were committed by from 7—7 7 7 7 _7 7 7; 7—7 7 7 7 7777m7_7 m177 77e77 7; investors from all around the world — investors from all around the world into _ investors from all around the world into - to - world into europe to develop massive _ we lost some battles, m we lost some battles, we have lost some battles, we have lost soi the rattles, we have lost soi the war, s, but we have not lost the war, even — but we have not lost the war, even the _ war. l but we have not lost the war, i even the _ war. if even the technological war. if you are —
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even the technological war. if you are still— even the technological war. if you are still not _ even the technological war. if you are still not convinced - ar-uments, look at outside of europe and much 727— 777 7 7:7 72—2 5 much the desire foriope ——————————— ~—— ————— —— s— — —— s; is strong. if the ukrainians are — is strong. if the ukrainians are still— is strong. if the ukrainians are still waging _ is strong. if the ukrainians are still waging a - is strong. if the ukrainians are still waging a heroic. is strong. if the ukrainians. are still waging a heroic war resistance against russia, ef resistsnee seeinst edss’ie; e'eeeeeee eeeee" all started it all started with the european _ it all started with the european flag - it all started with the european flag in - $7: 2—— has taken their - has taken their place i —: = -: it is geor-ian today? it is the—fieolgjan -w_ today? it isthegeolgiatl - who every - today? it ist , f, -who every a 72: -:= 72: -= 7:= wisest? h e m — z 7777777- h e m - ro m 7 z pa st eeejeéi ?2— they 7 past, they are wavin- european past, they are waving their— european past, they are waving their european— european past, they are waving their european flag _ european past, they are waving their european flag - singing | eheir edreeeen flag and smetrrgr .w eheir edreeeen flag and smetrrgr - european anthem i eheir edreeeen flag and smetrrgr - european anthem because i the european anthem because they— the european anthem because they see — the european anthem because they see that _ the european anthem because they see that i is _ the european anthem because they see that i is democracy, | they see that it is democracy, freedom — they see that it is democracy, freedom and _ they see that it is democracy, freedom and i is _ they see that it is democracy, i freedom and i is i superpower freedom and it is a superpower can freedom and it is a superpower - can - them - freedom and it is a superpower - cah- them once - freedom and it is a superpowerl - can - them once they thst esn pretest titer-hem - w— thst esn pretest titer-hem - m_ that ean pretest titer-hem - further on the _ that ean pretest titer-hem - further on the part - that ean pretest titer-hem - further on the part of - that ean pretest titer-hem - further on the part of the i union. there are bi- lforn. there are bi- lfor europe! are bi- challenges for europeand-my —m— challenges for europeand-my _ here have - challenges for europewle , , _ here have mentioned :-— 7— m 7— 7 am 7 course, if we have to spend one or two _ course, if we have to spend one or twol three _ course, if we have to spend one or two . three additional- course, if we have to spend one or two . three additional gdp l or two or three additional gdp
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points— or two or three additional gdp points irrto _ or two or three additional gdp points into defence _ or two or three additional gdp points into defence spending, | points into defence spending, it will— points into defence spending, it will only— points into defence spending, it will only be _ points into defence spending, it will only be accepted - points into defence spending, it will only be accepted by - points into defence spending, it will only be accepted by our it will, entsr ise aeeeotedeisgteeedre e eee it will, enty iae aeeeetedeisgteeedre - if createsjobs in people if this createsjobs in europe _ people if this createsjobs in europe if— people if this createsjobs in europe if it _ people if this createsjobs in europe. if it creates - people if this createsjobs ini europe. if it creates - in europe. if it creates value in - this— europe. if it creates value in - this is— europe. if it creates value in - this is why- europe. if it creates value inl - this is why president eereees this is ehe president ”eras”? since eereees this is she president ”eras”? since 2017, has because it is a question of sustainability of the - we _ question of sustainability of the - we need - question of sustainability of the - we need to - the effort we need to sustain. applause _ clarify point on earlier 7 earlierit 7 earlii we was more. mghlioned that we need'more. , ,, ,, french 7 7777t7hink777777777 7 think we are egg 757 it is 7 it is notjust guesses, it is notjust about but guesses, it is notjust about - but also— guesses, it is notjust about - but also quality. i quantity tee-t 3's - .....j... are across wi our leaders and because we realise, ourselves because we realise, we - aware _ ourselves because we realise, we - aware that- we. arm, ”seaweeds; . f . . .. 7... .e... . of peace we. arm, ”seaweeds, . f . . .. 7... .e... . of peace dividends we. arm, ”seaweeds; . f . . .. 7... .e... . of peace dividends is we. arm, ”seaweeds, . f . . .. 7... .e... . of peace dividends is over. z £77—— —£= —- spend 5% of gdp on defence we spend 5% of gdp on defence _ we even-
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spend 5% of gdp on defence _ we even went - spend 5% of gdp on defence l _ we even went i to spending. we even went up to seven— spending. we even went up to seven or— spending. we even went up to seven or8%_ spending. we even went up to seven or 8% l the _ spending. we even went up to seven or 8% l the 1950s. - spending. we even went up to seven or 8% l the 1950s. wel 7—7 715-7777 77777 .radually efe efeeueue eeff'f'e feee fif in efe efeeuehe eek'ee feee? eef - in i of capabilities i that in terms of capabilities and — that in terms of capabilities and - that— that in terms of capabilities and - that we - that in terms of capabilities and - that we need - that in terms of capabilities and - that we need a l and these that we needsi european and these that we needs european level, m financin- we need to invent - we need to invent or. 2 we need to invent or give thatwe needtoirwentergive m— thatwe needtoirwentergive m thatwe needtoirwentergive - an m thatwe needtoirwentergive - an - order effort. ainl sooha a'.'o as o .. foreign secretary, where does the uk itself in . .....°f . . . ;—~ ofall ~— —:—~ ;—~ 7777o7f7al7l7o7f7 —:—~ 7777o7f7a7l7l7o7f7th7i7s7?77 7 7 7 7777of all7of this?77you7have 7to7 .. ... 7to7be7 to be some °.f . ofbridge of bridge between the us sort of bridge between the us the how do you look at and the eu, how do you look at the current of the current state of now? do fit into that you fit into that picture? let's go back a bit to the beginning of this it .e ehd usw7orking was the uk and the us working side by that side by side that demonstrated intent and provided the
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saeaeitit�*g ts say he is geing attack i'm to invade. to attack i'm going to invade. united there is in the united kingdom there is a cross—party that in the united kingdom there is a cross—\ to ty that in the united kingdom there is a cross—\ to support that in the united kingdom there is a cross—\ to support ukraine. i continue to support ukraine. i in just two weeks ago, wasin tejusttwo weeks ago. i . wasin tejusttwo weeks ago, i saw wasin tejusttwo weeks ago. i saw apartment what i saw were apartment to buildings blown to 'smithereens people sleeping in their ; er 75137- and overnight. isaw bedsrand'dying'overnight; i'saw devastating effect that has its h towards its h towards the its h towards the ukrainian grlgslles towards. the ukrainian supply. in past i energur sdeely. in theeastal . .. ., .-.. . met have met paramedics rushing to save lives and know this is a brutal war of that this is a brutal war of m. . russia making that this is a brutal war of m. . we i.ussia making that this is a brutal war of m. . we havei making that this is a brutal war of m. . we havei mak clear that this is a brutal war of -... . we havei mak clear in advances. we have been clear in the uk, 3 commitment every year as long as it for every year as long as it us be clear, lasts. let us be clear, successive us presidents have successnfiteoafessenrs nae allies in
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successi�*lfifjoamfsenff nae allies in it successfllfif.§etefsenff nae allies in it was asked alliesrin—nato. it was that long ago, the the not that long ago, the us the uk and spending uk and one other spending more than 2% on defence spending. = -:2 is 23 countries 7 is 23 countries are now it is 23 countries are spending "pee on spending more than 2% on defence spending we spending more than 2% on defer that iending we spending more than 2% on defer that we iing we spending more than 2% on defer that we have we spending more than 2% on defer that we have to we spending more than 2% on defer that we have to go upward. uk is absolutely 7 2.596 2.5% and will set out a to 2.5% and will set out a to 2.5% and will set out a to 2.5% and will set out a to 2.5% in a few time 7 7 time it 7 7 fi7m7e.7 it i; 7 ti7m7e.7 it i; gigs." ti7m7e.7 it i; clga7r77to ti7m7e.7 it i; c7léa7r77to me months' time. it is clear to me there also, the us has that there is also, the us has been clear about that, big threat in the a big threat in the indo—pacific. people have given impression euro and the indo—pacific atlantic and the indo—pacific are as if it is just are tied as if it is just at this moment. it was tired "g.— the world war, during the secondvworld �*a’ar. british men lost their 30,000 british men lost their lives in the indo—pacific in the second war, it has the second world war, it has always been tied. pacing threat as the
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issue. of course europe has to do more. then there is a m .7e question for uselwieare w. e .- . question for uselwieare. ..- - - we are committed money on spend = -=22 the 7 7 now is toward—the ukraine. 593414 new is europe in terms of coming from europe in terms of aid to ukraine, we pathway for ukraine towards to ukraine, so we overall aid to ukraine, so we have stepped up. is a overall aid to ukraine, so we have stepped up. there is a have stepped up. there is a ' ' ' ' ” ' ' for europe, if question for europe, if we look question for europe, if we look at gdp combined, it is about at gdp combined, it is about 0.01% that we are on 0.01% that we are spending on 77777fight7i7n 7 7 7 77 fight in ukraine. 7 the fight in ukraine. we know fight in ukraine. we 7 fight in ukraine. we know that it the fight in ukraine. we know thatitis the fight in ukraine. we know that it is the front line for 7 is front line ukraine and europe. we know europe. we know ukraine and europe. we know that when we get also that even when we get to glsgulhhtugven—when we get to negotiated peace, putin will peace, negotiated peace, putin will go away. this is an not go away. this is an not go away. this is an existential question for question we europe, we meet that question united states alongside the united states and alongside the united states and at appropriate time we will at an appropriate time we will get into a debate about a debate about get into a debate about security will security guarantees. there will security guarantees. there will be an arrangement, of course, be arrangement, 7—= 7 quite ri-htly we say but quite rightly we say that quite rightly we say that e irreversible there is an irreversible
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there is an irreversible pathway ukraine towards pathway for ukraine towards nato. that is the cheapest and best mechanism to secure peace, notjust in europe, but across the euro atlantic.— the euro atlantic. when it comes to _ the euro atlantic. when it comes to nato _ the euro atlantic. when it i comes to nato membership though, i would like to get your thoughts on some of the comments we have heard here at the conference suggesting that perhaps the best way, the best
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the conference suggesting that perhaps th there way, the best the conference suggesting that perhaps th there was the best safeguard. there was a monitoring mechanism that was breached 20 times by the russians. we cannot go to russians. we cannot go back to that won't work. it is also that when we look at the true that when we look at the border, this 777 currently facin- 7 currently facing off brigades currently/facing off each this would against each other. this would take tremendous �* and against each other. this would take trem this us �* and against each other. this would take trem this is �* and —m theatre of conflict where we have seen and rone and the ca-abili technology and'the'capability tremendous and it assist us the rare heed. rare need. in the end. will haste will hate to will haste to haste to come we will have to have to come to an whereby ukraine guarantee and we have guara guarantee e have g7uara guarantee7that le breaches guarantee, can act. if decca beaches a c,33”�*eé ~ ~~ ~ ~ ... can act. that is of a
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we can act. that is enough of a that they don't are the theses dsnnenf j; 7 that we those are "ens those are the o'er. the guarantee, those are the questions that we will need to 7 t7h7a7t7we77wi7ll7 7 7 t7h7a7t7we7wi7ll7nee7d77 7 {roow'gw’inga’ to get into in the months questions that we will.need to into in the months questions that we will need to ge eee - to come in on we both asked to come in on this. . ., , ., , this. ukraine already has that this. ukraine already has _ that proved l this. ukraine already has| _ that proved to this. ukraine already has - _ that proved to be guarantees that proved to be empty — guarantees that proved to be empty. gave up what empty ukraine gave up wha .. the empty ukraine gave up whalwas i m_ empty ukraine gave up whatouasc i the time the empty ukraine gave up what was the time the third largest § to russia in nuclear arsenal to russia in return — nuclear arsenal to russia in return for— is
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