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was growing criticism of there was growing criticism of his real�*s conduct and a lot of dissent within the biden administration itself over america's pro israel policy. that transfer of heavy weaponry was blocked. donald trump then reversed that block and there weapons have arrived here in israel. that has been warmly welcomed by the israeli defence minister and another sign of just the pro israel policy, extremely pro israel policy that this trump administration is leading. that this trump administration is leadin: . , that this trump administration is leading-— that this trump administration is leadin: . , ., is leading. they mentioned the release of _ is leading. they mentioned the release of the _ is leading. they mentioned the release of the latest _ is leading. they mentioned the release of the latest hostagesl release of the latest hostages yesterday. three more. the fifth time that there has been a release and palestinian prisoner swap in the past four weeks. the first phase of their ceasefire deal. where are we at in terms of negotiations for the second phase? when is that
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russia and the us military leverage could assembling teams for a meeting in saudi arabia where you will they include the secretary of state, marco rubio, meeting his russian counterpart, sergei lavrov. dmitry peskov, describing a future meeting between donald trump and vladimir putin as being special, significant, so you can see both sides warming up. but of course, i'm leaving out a third side here, ukraine, where president zelensky last night said that he wasn't aware of this meeting and therefore wouldn't be going. he is in the region for a visit, but at the moment we don't know, you know, on what level each side is going to be going to be represented and what is going to be discussed. so we wait to see what concrete details will come out, but it makes it no less consequential for ukraine, for europe and the broader region. and what about europe's role here?
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i mean, we heard from president zelensky saying that ukraine obviously had to be at the table for any negotiations, but also insisting that europe did. european leaders planning on holding a separate meeting in the coming days, possibly as early as tomorrow. but but what can they do to insert themselves into the negotiations? i mean, this is the glaring question off the back of quite a serious sounding contradiction. you had the us vice president, jd vance in munich, say that europe had to step up and that europe had to pay for security in the region and for ukraine in its support. and then in the same breath, we've heard this weekend that europe will not be involved in these talks. they will simply be updated or asked for input, which has angered many in these parts, to say the least. the us has softened its stance on ukraine's involvement, insisting it will be there, it will be involved after pressure from
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those european allies. but we've got this emergency summit being chaired by emmanuel macron of france tomorrow, where you have europe basically looking at each other, saying, what are we going to do? what can we do? how are we going to fill a void left by america? and i think, you know, when you look at this speech president zelensky gave yesterday in munich, where he addressed a room and he called for a european army, a proposal, one unlikely, that was met with applause. he talked about russia wielding influence over nato in terms of how it has resisted deploying troops in ukraine for its fight. and these are significant moments for both europe and ukraine. now, of course, donald trump deliberately tries to be unpredictable in these scenarios. he has been on occasion. and so this could be part
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where the us and the russian negotiators are going to be sitting down, excluding ukraine, excluding europe. so i think, you know, i'm going to come back to the analogy i've used before here at this summit in munich, at this conference, which is that it's a runaway train. and russia and america are on that train. it's heading towards some kind of a deal. it's no good talking about it's very early days. it's moving very quickly, and president trump is in a hurry to secure a deal with putin and end this war. and europe and ukraine are scrambling to catch up, trying to catch that train and trying to have some kind of stake in this. meanwhile, of course, there's the whole debate about defence expenditure. about defence expenditure. the americans essentially giving europe notice that don't rely on us, you can't automatically rely on us to defend you. europe is going to have to step up its game on defence.
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it's going to have to spend a great deal more. mark rutter, the nato secretary general, has said that 3% of gdp should be a kind of minimum baseline, not just 2%. now, there are still countries that are not even paying 2%. britain is agonising over whether to raise it from 2.3 to 2.5, and won't commit to a time where most countries who live closer to russia like the baltic nations, poland, estonia, etc., they are spending well in excess of 3%. and they're saying, actually, we need to spend even more if we are going to face up to the challenge of a rebuilt, resurgent russian army once the ukraine war is over. meanwhile, the business secretaryjonathan reynolds has told the bbc, the uk government recognises the need to increase defence spending in the wake of the comments from the us defence secretary pete hegseth. earlier this week, mr hegseth told nato members to bolster military spending by �*considerably more than three percent�*. currently the uk only spends two point 3%
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of national income on defence. for more on this, our political correspondent harry farleyjoined me in the studio earlier. i've just been talking about about ukraine and the new language coming out of the white house around european defence spending and these possible talks, peace talks between russia and the us — tomorrow sir keir starmer will head to an emergency summit in paris that has been hastily arranged, essentially to coordinate the the european response to these possibility of these talks in ukraine, and particularly, ithink, the fact that these talks have been so hastily arranged reflects the concern among european leaders that they might be left out of those peace talks. jonathan reynolds is the uk's business secretary and this is what he said about that possibility. well, us defence secretary has also said that everything is still on the table. we shouldn't rule out potential outcomes. everything is on the table, but you're not there. well, look for a peace
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settlement to be durable, it will simply have to have the involvement of european nations and the ukrainians themselves. there's been an incredible contribution from europe alongside the us to the defence of ukraine. and ultimately the president is someone who likes to win and winning would not be rewarding a war of aggression. on that thought that you that you heard from victoria derbyshire there, that the uk is not at the table, that europe, is not at the table in these peace talks. priti patel, the shadow foreign secretary, was also asked about that. this is what she said. i think, victoria, if i may say so, those statements- are deeply premature. we've heard a range i of views in recent days, right from the nato conference that took place in brussels - a few days ago and also over recent days here. i we all have to have very, very cold heads right - now, primarily cold - and calm heads, primarily because this conflict is still raging. - this war is still hot. there is still conflict taking place at sea and on land. l ukraine has had such terrible losses. - russia has as well.
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we're all heavily, heavily invested in this conflict. i and i think right now we need a degree of calmness - as these new initiatives take place, and also. as this new range of talks take place, whether it's. the discussions that take place in paris tomorrow. and there'll be many, - many, many other debates, discussions and dialogues that| will be forthcoming in the days and weeks ahead. and all this very much focusing minds on uk defence spending. do you see that changing? absolutely. well, the government has said that they will set out a path to spending 2.5% of the uk's gdp on defence. i think we should be careful about the language that they say set out a path, not necessarily that they will reach 2.5% before the next election. they haven't set a date of when that would happen.
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