europe some recognition within europe and may be within ukraine with the pressure on supplies that it was unrealistic to hope that ukraine could return or restore is 2014 borders, but it seems what you're saying of crucial importance now is ukraine's sovereignty, a durable that guarantees that southern tree. what does that look like on paper, does it mean european troops on the ground? does it mean a ceasefire line of, i don't know... a piece thatjust endures with russia and part of ukrainian territory?— ukrainian territory? ukraine has no military _ ukrainian territory? ukraine has no military potential - ukrainian territory? ukraine has no military potential to| occupied territories release occupied territories and people who live there but ukraine will never give up these territories. what i am worried about is that politicians discuss natural resources, ceasefire territories, but they don't

speak about people, they don't speak about people, they don't speak about people, they don't speak about the human dimension of this war. they don't speak about what will be with more than 20,000 ukrainian children who were legally deported to russia. thousands and thousands of detained civilians subjected to the italian torture. what will be ukrainian women under russian occupation of constant threat to be raped. the people of occupied territories in general? we have no rights under russian occupation. i don't know if you have seen details of what the americans demanded in terms of repatriations, but the daily telegraph here in the uk says it has seen detail of that. one of their editors compares it to the demands that were made, in fact in excess of the demands made on germany in the wake of the first world war, the versailles treaty. what you make of what the americans are asking for? let

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positive terms, quite upbeat it describing a four about it describing a four agreement they have to take further discussions forward. in terms of the plan the americans are talking about, what they are talking about, what they are saying now is that they will first of all work on restoring diplomatic ties, that starts with embassies. then go through this process of trying to negotiate an end to the war in ukraine. there was a lot of emphasis on restoring economic relations between the us and russian. this would be one of the big wins for moscow, because of course what vladimir putin wants to do is get rid of the sanctions that the americans have been imposing from the west. i think that will worry the europeans and others. there was a luck of focus on that in the comments i was just hearing from marco rubio. finally, they will keep this five principle, five person team going to take these negotiations forward. clearly they feel like they have made progress on this. but remember,

europe and ukrainians are feeling very sidelined that this is happening at all, in the way that this is happening, so a lot of the outcome of this is only going to raise some of the anxiety that europe and the ukrainians have.— ukrainians have. tom bateman aaivin us ukrainians have. tom bateman giving us his — ukrainians have. tom bateman giving us his initial— ukrainians have. tom bateman giving us his initial reaction. i giving us his initial reaction. let's show you live pictures of saint sergei lavrov froth —— sergei lavrov. translation: when we had a meeting with about our bilateral relationship and how important it is to win sure the great powers to maintain a normal professional dialogue and to try and hear each other. and

draw lessons accordingly from what is going on and prevent any conflicts and crisis. that is a position of the crown prince it was in fact reflected in our talks with the american side when marco rubio at the beginning stress the fundamental importance of international relations for each side to be driven by their natural interests. we completely agreed with that and we agreed that these national interests will never and not always coincide, but when they do not coincide we should not let them run aground or provoke confrontation of a military or other kind. but when national interest do coincide, we should

do everything possible to join our efforts and realise mutually beneficial projects in the political and economic spheres. so the conversation, i think, was very useful. we did notjust think, was very useful. we did not just listen to think, was very useful. we did notjust listen to each other but we heard each other. i have every reason to believe that the american side understands our position, is beginning to understand our position better when we set out again president putin's position citing concrete examples. what did we agreed? the first agreement is not the most complicated one and possibly the most urgent one, is to ensure the speediest possible appointment of ambassadors to russia and to the united states. secondly, to

remove the barriers that for many years, first of all, the biden administration in the last four years, erected in between our diplomatic missions, , between our diplomatic missions,, complicating their missions, , complicating their work. missions,, complicating their work. the expulsion of our diplomats that we had to

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certain issues that could be of benefit russia and the benefit of russia and the united states could be settled i’m ready iior your reporter: we are positive notes, we hearing positive notes, we would like to clarify where are standing the closest? is it you standing the closest? is it the bilateral russian/america track or the russia/ukraine track? and what has been agreed for the meetin- to prepare for the meeting the presidents of between the presidents of russia and the united states, russia'and't'ne united states. meetings are you planning? what meetings'are'you pta nning 2“ what meetings'are'you pta nning 2“ what meetings'are'you ptanning? what meetings are you —:: alarm-n as the libra-mass treat? " ’ " we 7 treat? " ’ " we reached 7 we reached mutual which we reached mutual understanding, it doesn't mean are standi7ng are standing closer. are standi7ng closer. but as said, we

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and 7 and the of foreign affairs ministers of foreign affairs and the security and the national security advisor were asked to work on needs to be what needs to be resolved before presidents can before the presidents can begin to agree a date for the summit. reporter: there has been a lot information from sources to the diplomatic process three stae -lan for fabout so'n�*re'three stage plan for settlement in the settlement in ukraine. this the us the settlement in ukraine. a this the us the settlement in ukraine. a questionnaire the us the settlement in ukraine. a questionnaire to e us the settlement in ukraine. a questionnaire to the; the settlement in ukraine. a questionnaire to the eu what europe can provide asking what europe can provide terms security and there eras a folukraineand there was a on contingent fqlukraineand there was a on contingent in question on contingent in ukraine, a military contingent. on yourfirst question

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