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thllesiégw-q and it, $9915; the prime minister petttetieew-h end it ehewe the prime minister benjamin e -e w "ih'k'ina’gi ” ' w ' "ih'k'ina’éan ” ' in kind of a vicious netanyahu in kind of a vicious caricature blood dripping caricature with blood dripping from his lips. so the message that hamas is trying to give is that hamas is trying to give is that benjamin the that benjamin netanyahu is the one for the deaths $15 fes— e§fi§fi§l§ f? f the si §§§h§ the fl“? f§§efifi§fi§l§fm the ii??? the hostages. fih? f§§efih§'hl§ffif the §§§th§ the hostages. is of the hesteges, that is that israel of the hestages, that is that israel would gmething that in israel would as �*sign of what be seen as another sign of what they is the cruelty and the palestinian 7 hamas and the palestinian factions tell us about climate at the moment from what we have in the last ”inrtheilastfeww ’ w 7 in the last few weeks heard in the last few weeks trump with his with benjamin 7 how i 7 how much expectation there now that second is there now that the second phase of of this will phase of all of this will actually continue? that is a very difficult _ actually continue? that is a very difficult question. - actually continue? that is a very difficult question. as l actually continue? that is a very difficult question. as i | very difficult question. as i say, the process was supposed to have further, i think, to have got further, i think, by this stage. those negotiations conducted by mediators in qatar, and us
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mediators in qatar/anathe u5 israel and mediators in qatar/audible u5 israel and hamas, mediators in qatargandfthe u5 israel and hamas, should with israel and hamas, should really, one would have thought commissions and progress by now. one is due to end now. phase one is due to end next week and phase which next week and phase two, which does essentially tackle the lasting blocks real lasting stumbling blocks between israel and hamas, hamas wants complete end to wants a complete end to hostilities and complete israeli troop as i israeli troop withdrawal, as i was saying. the israeli government as far as we know wa nts to wants to have the still wants to have the possibility of being able to in a security manner = -: that goes on in gaza everything that goes on in gaza militarily zit: 7 77 77itfe7els7 77 7 7 77 77itfe7els7justifie7d, 7 7 77 77itfe7els7justifie7d, when when it feelsjustified, when it feels it is necessary. also wants to 7 also wants to 100%7 be it also wants to 100% be sure that hamas is demilitarised, disarmed and plays no totally disarmed and plays no further role in the governance of i think for now of gaza. and i think for now hamas is not accepting that. we have had different viewpoints, different comments from various figures that they
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prepared 7777 7 1 prepared, for example, to7 are prepared, for example, to allow the palestinian authority to over but to take over governments but thats, government will still that these deserhh'teht eitt stitt ,,,,,,,,,,,,,_ w, a that the; deserhrtteht eitt =�*ri' ' ~ 77 ~ ~ " a role that the; asserhh'teht eitt =�*ri' ' ~ 77 ~ ~ " a role and that the'g deserhh'teht eitt =�*ri' w ,, .. ~ ., " a role and are that the'g deserhh'teht eitt =�*ri' w w w w w w a role and are not 77—7 7 to disarm. that is where going to disarm. that is where we stand at the moment. the government rejected we; that idea that the palestinian could take over in authority could take over in gaza. the trump intervention gaza; the trump intervention than gaza; the trumpintervention than a week ago, he more than a week ago, when he suddenly presented his plan for gaza, which would be the removal essentially of the removal essentially of all the palestinians there and the rebuilding that will be to recreate gaza as undertaken to recreate gaza as a resort and one in palestinians might never which palestinians might never be able to return. that obviously a huge w: �* into the works7from who support president his advisers, trump, his advisers, they have spokespeople, they have said that, know, maybe spokespeople, they have said that, happen n, maybe spokespeople, they have said that, happen but1aybe spokespeople, they have said that, happen but when is won't happen but when it is done, is to change, shift the equation, change how people are
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done, is to change, shift the equatior about ge how people are done, is to change, shift the equatior about whatiw people are done, is to change, shift the equatior about what happens are thinking about what happens next. happens in phase next. what happens in phase three, is supposed to three, which is supposed to come after phase which come after phase two, which will be future of gaza, and will be the future of gaza, and saying that at least in the z— z= 77- short—term it has spurred arab countries, which will now hold at least two summits, into come up with an trying to come up with an alternative solution. will alternative solution. we will have a summits in which have a summits in riyadh, which should happen on friday, and they should be a formal arab summits later in the first days of what arab countries, of march. what arab countries, egypt, qatar, the saudis in are to come particular, are trying to come with this e-= 77whic7h7will7 "wharton” "manual” the plan which will allow the to stay in gaza palestinians to stay in gaza while the the while the infrastructure, the been buildings whiahhave been right across the buildings whiahhave been the ght across the buildings whiahhave been the enclave, s the buildings whiahhave been the enclave, i the buildings whiahhave been the enclave, i rebuilt whole of the enclave, i rebuilt and might take to yea rs years ra7ther years rather the five years rather the longer than period that people than period that many people have said is more likely. going back essentially to the two state solution, as which state solution, as well, which has been for long
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has been for so long something which has been talked about but hasn't at the really hasn't been at the centre, certainly in israel and among palestinians, even among palestinians, but'even as a driving —ea of where7 77 of where7 they 77 go force of where they should go next. that is the arab are trying to do. countries are trying to do. we are seeing — countries are trying to do. we are seeing looks like the is being erected around screen is being erected around the vehicles of the cross screen is being erected around the hamas; of the cross screen is being erected around the hamas said he cross and hamas said earlier, four copies on the displayed four copies on the stage before the handover of stage beforethe handover of hostage bodies. tell us a these hostage bodies. tell us a little about how israel is preparing for this moment. preparing7 77777 preparing7for7 77: 7 77p7repar7ir71g7for this 7 preparing 7for this moment are preparing for this moment as a deeply sombre moment. the prime minister benjamin netanyahu said this tatsbé ,, ,,,,,. . bea v7er7y77777 7 be 7a veryditficult 7 be 7a very7d7if7f7icult day would be a day of m but would be a day of shock and a day of sorrow. the four bodies be by the red bodies will be taken by the red cross, they will be handed over to the israeli authorities, and they be to a
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they will be airlifted to a forensic department, where the forensic department, where the forensic tests will take place which could take many hours, to identify formally oossiblyt to identify formally—tr ., fl ,, as. these bodies oossiblyt to identify formally—w w w w w w ww these bodies belong to. who these bodies belong to. until israel will not tintil then. lsrael wilt net? ~— ~ ~ identify them, tintil then. lsrael will. net. ~— ~ ~ identify them, they formally identify them, they not fags w these are of the macro family —— —e family and oded bibas family and oded lifshitz, the man in his 805, on biba5 family and 0ded lifshitz, the man in his 805, on the the man in his see. also an the" "” ” ’” had the man in his soe. alee en t�*he'” "” ” ’” had presented, the ifiah in his soe. alee eh t�*he'” "” ” ’” had presented, amongst bodies. in the previous these bodies. in the previous hostage �* i5, these bodies. in the previous hostage �* is, has a mixture of 37 mixture ofjoy at seeing returned alive hostages returned alive from this desperate or they have undergone. with undergone. the reunion5 with theirfamilies have been shown very quickly and, again, there has been bittersweet when the of some of those
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77—7- ve oor. at least very, very poor. at least three of the prisoners in one we re were emaciated, 7 were emaciated, looked —: if they have suffered deeply their time. some at the during their time. some of the others looked 77 77 7h7ealt7hy.7 77h7as77 77 77 7h7ealt7hy.7 77h7as7been healthy. has been a more healthy...t.here has been a between the slight shift between the different handovers and how slight shift between the differi has iandovers and how slight shift between the differi has greeted s and how slight shift between the differi has greeted them, ow israel has greeted them, but there is no doubt i5rael israel has greeted them, but there is no doubt israel has been bracing for been bracing itself for this moment, when the dead mgnlegg when the first dead were to be handed mgnlegg when the first dead wi willo be handed mgnlegg when the first dead wi will be e handed mgnlegg when the first dead wi will be no anded mgnlegg when the first dead wi will be nojoy, d mgnlegg when the first dead wi will be nojoy, of over. there will be nojoy, of course, in there course, in israel today. there will a sense that the will be a sense that the family, the biba5 family, shiri bibas, and her two young bibas, and'her two young who i5raeli5 had children, who i5raeli5 had against hope would still hoped against hope would still come alive, that this seems come out alive, that this seems vanishingly unlikely now and have become the symbol not they have beeer'ne'the egmbel'het of october they have beeer'ne'the eymbel'het of october the 27th 2023, only of october the 27th 2023, the hamas led attacks on israel, but the hostages israel, but what the hostages went through after that. their pictures featured today in all
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the newspapers, one the israeli newspapers, one headline talking about the angen headline talking about the anger, pain and sorrow and that e-= 77whatw7ill77777 7 7 shethiuhe 77 7 7 77 7 chethiuhe 77 in7 7 77 7 ghethiuhe 77 in7i5rael £07339. 7 throughout today. sebastien, thank yom — throughout today. sebastien, thank you. we _ throughout today. sebastien, thank you. we will _ throughout today. sebastien, thank you. we will - to l throughout today. sebastien, i thank you. we will - to you thank you. we will speak to you again shortly a5 thank you. we will speak to you again shortly as we to 77 7 �*of 77 7 �* of the 77 �* of the four watch that handover of the four is hostages who lost is really hostages who lost their in captivity in their lives in captivity in gaza and we have seen in the last few minutes hamas militants displaying four black coffins on stage. you can see on 77 on the 7 77 on the stage now. these them on the stage now. these have photos on them. the caskets have photos of the that hamas it would bodies that hamas said it would handover including shiri bibas, head two young sons, kfir and ariel and also 0ded lifshitz. this has been the quiet this has not been the quiet time that people have
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for. there are crowds, hoped for. there are crowds, handover. you see staged handover. you can see the coffins on the stage and the coffins on the stage and the red cross had asked for the ehh hfhhh hae�* hhkhh fhf it thh ehh efhhh hhh hhhhh fhf it called a dignified what it called a dignified handover and was trying give handover and was trying to give dignity with a screen erected in front of the vehicle that we the coffins will that we assume the coffins will be transported in back to and if you havejust israel. and if you havejust joining usjust now, this beenjoining usjust now, this is the first time hamas to is the first time hamas is to hand over dead hostages since ceasefire began last month. the ceasefire began last month. it is a moment the israeli minister benjamin prime minister benjamin netanyahu has described as the 7 the heart 777the {a}; 77 777the some; 7 77 7 the heart of the entire tearing the heart at the entire w w w . . w . w . adding that israel was nation. adding thattsrael was with monsters. ina in a statement the bibas family has said it is in turmoil and
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that until receive that until we receive confirmation, �*journey is confirmation, ourjourney is not over. be a examination of the forensic examination of the once they are back in bodies once they are back in israel and at that point only will there be official confirmation of their identities. what we think from what hamas is saying is that the family of 7bib7as, 7 7bib7as, her two 7 7 777bi7§a57, her the thildieh shiri bibas, her two children is to be returned. the family taken 7 7 7 7 takehalong 7 7 7 7 takehalong with 7 7 7 tekehelong with their were taken along with their father from were taken along with their fatherfrom kibbutz were taken along with their father from kibbutz �*0z were taken along with their fatherfrom kibbutz �*0z when father from kibbutz nir 0z when hundreds of hamas gunmen burst through the border with israel on the 7th and... the �* was released on �*was released on the ist father was released onthe lst with two of february along—with �*w�* . . �* hostages. he did not know other hostages. he did not know at stage that family been killed. the know
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had been killed. we also know that 0ded lifshitz, retired was also taken nir journalist, was also taken nir 0z with his wife who was 0z along with his wife who was freed by two weeks then freed by hamas two weeks later, we keeping an eye on those pictures, where it seems we armed, have armed, masked gunmen the as it is surrounding the coffin as it is moved into the red cross vehicle. there was a signing of that 7 7 that happen7ed 77 paperwork that happened earlier with the red cross representative this representative and now this moment, when the first of the dead hostages start ba c7k to back to israel.
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and you can hear, while this going on, the somewhat incongruous sound of. music playing in the background. this is the of the dead is the release of the dead hostages as well as those who but”? a: teat! a: “flea “pw ww ww www ww , wwww been released “m�*a'e' as teat! ae the-e iv» —— 7— ww w — —ww been released so but”? a: e" a: “flea “pw ww ww wwww ww w wwwww been released so far. part an exchange deal between of an exchange deal between israel and hamas where they will exchange 33 hostages for around 1900 palestinian by the end of the prisoners by the end of the six weeks of the first six weeks of the ceasefire. so far that has been holding, but ceasefire has been holding, but progress on between progress on any talks between and israel not hamas and israel have not restarted, as we it,
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restarted, as we understand it, so far, on the next of so far; won the next phase of ceasefire, which is the ceasefire, which is supposed to lead to a lasting and ..... 77 7777 and the return of 7777a7ha7t7h7e7r7e7tjfn7ef7ait7 7777777a77ri77d7t77he77r77e77tt7717r7n7o7f7all7o77f hostages. that's vehicle the heetagee. that�*s’eehiele " ' 5:25’ be moving. and they have been, in the past, in anger in israel over 7777v7vay way these handover of the stay that handaeeretf " "w carried out, hostages have been carried out, with often these crowds in jostling and pushing, with often these crowds in people ostling and pushing, with often these crowds in people were g and pushing, with often these crowds in people were being pushing, with often these crowds in people were being handed, the 7 the live 7 the live this over, the live hostages. this time the crowd appears to be being held back. nonetheless, the red cross had hoped for at the red cross had hoped for at the ceremony to be held in
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private entirely, for the brit-rate entirety. fa- the to erieate entirety. fa- the to be eriyate entirety. fa- the to be held in private that has not happened. and that has not happened. hamas wanting to show it is in charge still, in spite of 77 months months war and many months of war and destruction of their military machine add- deaths of many fiheh'hh hhhehh hhhfh§ ht fihh’y �* leaders. fiheh'hh hhhehh hhhfh§ ht fihh’y �*leaders. they fihhh'hh hhhehh hhhfh§ ht fihh’y �* leaders. they are fihhh'hh hhhehh hhhfh§ ht fihh’y �*leaders. they are keen of their leaders. they are keen to portray as to portray themselves as still in charge in the gaza strip and in �*this certainly in charge of this handover of hostages to israel. so this is the photograph that was released and that we had of was released and thatwe had of family. this the the family. this was the release of the father of the
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bibas family, he had no idea wife 7 wife and7 7 wife and two 7 77wife7 ah}? 77tw7o children77 wife and7 two children were his wife and two children were dead. this was yarden. the his wife and two children were dead. this v says irden. the his wife and two children were dead. this v says itien. the his wife and two children were dead. this v says itien. only government says it will only confirm the names of the dead forensic but after forensic examinations but is the family here. this is the family here. shiri bibas, and two sons who this is the family here. shiri bibas, and be two sons who this is the family here. shiri bibas, and be aged sons who this is the family here. shiri bibas, and be aged son: and > this is the family here. shiri bibas, and be aged son: and two would now be aged five and two and they have become emblematic of the fate of the hostages and suffering 77 suffering of 77 suffering of the 77 suffering of the fam7ilies the suffering of the families who are waiting for �* so the suffering of the families who e months g for so the suffering of the families who e months while so the suffering of the families who e months while what so the suffering of the families who e months while what went 777and7777 7 7 7 ”may: and now some of 7 7 7and 7no7w7some of relief on. and now some form of relief for those who are the 777: s77 who are alive in heetagee whe afe'aliee'eutih'" " ' " case, the family this case, the bibas family to have the return of expecting to have the return of the bodies in this exchange hamas has orchestrated or least has been arranged as at least has been arranged as part of the ceasefire deal. the return of the family members,
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both the dead and alive. is back 7 7 77 7i757ba7ck7w7ith77 is back with us. an sebastien is back with us. an sight with the extraordinary sight with the black coffins up on the 77 then being moved a to7 7 to th7e 77 to the red cross it has. i mean, hamas vehicles. it has. i mean, hamas and the - factions _ vehicles. it has. i mean, hamas and the - factions are - e as if they behaving due 7 and deferen7ce -e—’—ee the fact 77 7the7faett7hat'7 7 77 7 the fact that are 7the7faet a; 7 77 7a7re7 dead this time, living. have done it 7 7 7 7 7 have done it as 7 7 7 7 have done it as if 7 7 7 7 7777haje7den7e tam 7 7 7 7 have done it as if this is 7 7 7 7 they have done it as if this is a ceremony that shows that. i in israel obviously it be greeted with ho7rror, will be greeted with horror, essentially, these images if are watching 7 are watching them at people ae atcbna the" at is people ae atcifl�*a the" at is not people ae atcbna the" at is not being shown on all. it is not being shown on israeli and i think around it will also be seen 77777772”- way. this is very that way. this is very different from we
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different from what we have so far. we have had six e!_7 events previous events we saw living hostages who some of in very 777in 7ve77ry7 777777p7hy2i7cai7 them in very difficult physical condition. no doubt about that. we have not seen coffins but we have not seen coffins being taken from a stage and taken to the ambulances. it underlines for israelis just �*5ombre and underlines for israelis just �* sombre and sorrowful underlines for israelis just �*5ombre and sorrowful a day is, as the 7 is, as the prime 7 is, as the prime minister 7 this is, as the prime minister benjamin was saying he described it a very difficult day and a as a very difficult day and a day of sorrow shock as a very difficult day and a day of sorrow sh
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