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eliya cohen, qmerrshem igv and al—sayed. as in the hisham al—sayed. as in the previous exchanges, we got previous exchanges, we have got scene where crowds are the scene where crowds are present is much i’éiég); by hamas as j by hamas as an opportunity seen b'fhafiésas an eppgrtunity the eeen �*e-fihefieeee é?! eppertenity the strength to demonstrate the strength despite 15 months of war, were their strength has very 7 3&5}-.- 7 fandalsioth’eir assassinated. in assassinated. in at assassinated. in at these ;sinated. in at these hostage they in at these hostage exchange situations continue to exchange situationsecantirmeete to exchange situationsecentirmeete to try exchange situationsecentiruaeete to try to project continue to try to project their force with armed fighters to 77 to hand 77 to hand over 77 to hand over the 77 to hand over the hostages ready to hand over the hostages the red cross. tal wenkert were by gunmen on october 7, 7 hamas gunmen on october 7, 2023. hisham al—sayed and avera
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eeea. hiehem elée�*gee end efer’e gets to eeee. hiehenn elfde�*ge'd end deer’e gets to seized by then gets to were seized by hamas since entered gaza hamas since they entered gaza over a decade ago. in return for this exchange, 602 palestinian prisoners and palef�* “aerate ee’e e 15 a re peleet—�*e�*eeferieeee’e end are to pa'efteaflrueee" e"d are to be detainees are to be released. it is also on the day !t ie elee “the deif-ehf-fl " ' was confusion earlier in there was confusion earlier in week when four bodies were there was confusion earlier in wet over an four bodies were there was confusion earlier in wet over an f hamas es were there was confusion earlier in wet over enf hamas es it said of them was shiri bibas. it one of them was shiri bibas. it turned out that was not her turned eut that was nether salute or turned eut that was net her salute or a new body was body, salute or a new body was handed on friday, and handed over on friday, and the family have now confirmed that ”eii'i'iif'rfi'bzsff” ' ' 5h|r|b|baswho ' ”eifi'r'i’ei'bzsfihl was ' th};’§rsz;”�*;h1;’wgsei;’ is shiri bibas, who was the mother of the little boys mother of the two little boys who also died in captivity and will return to israel earlier this week. but today a much this week. but todayjs a much affair in some less sombre affair in some ways, but because at least the coming out are alive. hostages coming out are alive. we now expect the next four to "’hs'nde’a"”"" " handed over
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"’hs'nde’a';§;}i,'y’ " handed over by hamas in a be handed over by hamas in a choreograph scene we have seen in it week, where the in it last week, where the are taking on a hostages are taking on a stage a of andthen arrepresentetive ef international committee of the internatienal cemmittee ef dead is given the dead grass is given paperwork to sign, and the is complete. —— of the handover is complete. —— of the red cross. the people are then taken by red cross and over to the border, they taken over to the border, they are then to where hostages are gritty by the the hostages are gritty by the military. meet israeli military. they meet theirfamilies israeli military. they meet their families there they their families there and they are also given a brief medical ”s 77170777” . ”was, a. to it???" 77 ti; the qaiék and then it will go for 77 forfurther 77 7 for7further7che77cks7 to hospital for further checks their condition.
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we have been following this. tell us a little bit the we have been following this. tell this little bit the we have been following this. tell this is :tle bit the we have been following this. tell this is happening, thee eeg thleenedeerdndztne ' n of eeg thleenedeerdngztne ' n of these handover is a 7 stage—managed an very much stage—managed in an effort by hamas to project their force spite effort by hamas to project theirforce spite all the their force in spite of all the months of war.— their force in spite of all the months of war. hamas is taking this chance _ months of war. hamas is taking this chance - week - months of war. hamas is taking this chance - week to - months of war. hamas is taking this chance - week to show| are lay7ered, they 7 7 7 to say, we still have continue teeey; we'still have decision about continue to'eey; we'etill have decision about gaza. they thedecieion about gaze. they that very thedecieton about gaza. they that very clearly last in at7 7 7 inat7 7 handover. in at7 7 handover. we week in at the handover. we have seen them week after week organising this and also taking méan'i'né “5 and alifi fatflné 7 7 chance to �*their this chance to show their capabilities of still gaza. forsome controlling gaza. for some palestinians, it is a miracle are the end 777a}; 77 7 ih; gag; 777a}; 77 7 it]; e7nd7o7fweek we are reaching the end of week six given the amount of obstacles, problems and
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challenges. every single move the seaside was taking hours resolve, and sometimes days. to resolve, and sometimes days. —— in this that had —— in this ceasefire. that had teams meeting they won of —— in this ceasefire. that had teams italks 1g they won of —— in this ceasefire. that had teams italks to they won of —— in this ceasefire. that had teams italks to make �*on of —— in this ceasefire. that had teams italks to make it| of —— in this ceasefire. that had tea the talks to make it| of —— in this ceasefire. that had tea the feelings make it| of —— in this ceasefire. that had tea the feelings among 21 of e e—eje’zi is �*the next 77 is �*the next ag77e palestinians is if the next age is going to happen or not. it is going to happen or not. it is very important for people in gaza that the second stage people 77 people everywher7e people everywhere have starts. people everywhere have been saying they have been having mixed they're been saying they have been having that ed they're been saying they have been having that hundreds they're been saying they have been having that hundreds people happy that hundreds of people from gaza will be released in at those families who have been waiting �* 15 to at those families who have been waiting �*15 to know 7 about their 77 about their people, iii ee 617797), 77th77e7y 7wi71717 7 77th77e7y wil7l7be77777 77 {hey t7~i71717bé iéufiited. 777777a7re {hey 7wi71717bé hinted. 777777a7re hépjfyflbé iéufiited. 777777a7re héppyfiahi reunited. 777777a7re héppyfiahi t7h7e7 nited. 777777a7re jfipfihi t7h7e7r71ited. 777777a7re jag] i7n7h7e7r71ited. 777777a7re japfi’ i7n7g7a7za7, 5d. 777777are7 japfi’ i7n7g7a7za7, 5d. 777777are7 f7e7arin7g7787 i7n7g7a7za7, 5d. 777777are7 f7e7arin7g7that 7g7a7za7, 5d. 777777are7 f7e7arin7g7that thea, 5d. they are fearing that the
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second stage could not happen, it i7mporta nt for them which it is important for them that israel withdraw from gaza allow building material in. and allow building material. in. 65% of buildings in gaza about 65% of buildings in gaza are destroyed. a hamas official me 7&17e77y7e757térd3y77777 7 7 7&17e77y7e77s7térd3y77£i£y 7 7 7&17e77y7e757térd3y77t7éyaré 7 told me yesterday they are expecting talks about the second to start next second stage to start next week. ., ., ., m1 anxiety among people about without the second stage will go ahead. obviously part of was to increase the amount aid to go into the gaza of aid to go into the gaza strip during this exchange of strip during this excbenge ef ~ , , ~ ~ ~ for prisoners. how hostages for prisoners. how much of that has happened? we seen a significant amount have seen a significa'nt'an�*tount crossing �* from of trucks crossing over from egypt into gaza carrying food and medical and and medical supplies and water. but this not enough for the but this is net eneugh fer the aa...assessessxx part but this is net eneugh fer the . ~~ ~~ ~~ , ~ part of the first people. part of the first stage, should have about ca rava ns
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caravans for 60,000 caravans for the people and 300,000 displaced people and 300,000 since. we haven't seen any of entering 7 entering gaza 7 entering gaza except from 12 tering gaza except from 12 unicef 3aza except from 12 unicef caravans p77t from about 12 unicef caravans yesterday. are still yesterday. people are still struggling,. yes, that is no daily yes, there daily killing. yes. there is food, more markets are more food, more markets are open. food is allowed in the north. but are finding north. but people are finding difficult to get clean 77th777977777 .. the for7 7 7 the 7f7or7 hehte water, the queue for hours every day to get clean water. so, the ceasefire is there about the war is not �*for pe°ple77 - people of 77 77 77 77 people of gaza. 7 people of gaza. that 7 the people of gaza. that is why they haven't these and happy and sad and there are mixed that7 7 77 that7the that7the second stage feelings that the second stage might start, because we :-= not seen any sign 7 not seen any sign of have not seen any sign of negotiation taking place for second stage. 7 send stae. ~ 7 send sta7e. ~ ~ .,7
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the second stage. we know in the second stage. we know in the meantime _ the second stage. we know in the meantime there _ the second stage. we know in the meantime there have - the second stage. we know in | the meantime there have been ghemeantime there have been �*the ghemeantime there have been �* the arab states to efforts of the arab states to to come up with an try to come up with an plan to glternrative plan to president plan for a gaza. trump's plan for a gaza. they had a meeting in riyadh there we have any yesterday. there we have any progress that at all? we progress on that at all? we heard from _ progress on that at all? we heard from the _ progress on that at all? - heard from the egyptian heeafrenn the egydtien nnedie and many objection here and many objection that the arabs have a officials that the arabs have a plan to rebuild gaza without said they displacement. they said they a plan keep have a plan to keep the people inside gaza and rebuild it. it all initial plans we have a seen al plans we have a seen any ans we have a seen any proper have a seen any proper plan not seen any proper plan in place. yesterday there was a eleee; yesterday there wees . ~ meeting in significant meeting inriyadh arab leaders and we are an arab in the expecting an arab summit in the first week of march to put in place what they are currently planned to rebuild gaza. tell us a little — planned to rebuild gaza. tell us a little bit _ planned to rebuild gaza. tell us a little bit more _ planned to rebuild gaza. tell us a little bit more the are hostages who are being released, two of
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released, because two of them have ashley been in gaza for hate eshley been ifi. sees fie? �* a hate. eshley been in. base flit? �*a decade. can you explain evera decade. can yeu exela'ln. - www. w. .w about why evera decade. can yeu explain - ------. w . ..- about why that a little about why that happened or how the game to be a little about why that hapj of ed or how the game to be a little about why that hapj of this r how the game to be part of this hostage exchange? there are avera and hisham and hisha m7 al—sayed �*roaming is �* roaming is to cross over from aaron israeli checkpoint 7 7 that; and he was taken 7 7 7 77 7 ehdheheeteitehhy into gaza, and he wastaken by and they that he hamas, and they claim that he is a reserve soldier. the one is hisham al—sayed, an arab israeli. he has been to gaza twice before.
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�* claimed that he was iii! a soldier and a captain in gaza a soldier and a captain in gaza a very time. before for a very long time. before october 7, there was always talks about exchanging the two �*roaming is �* roaming is two szjgelis. other roaming is two hisham al—sayed, and also and hisham al—sayed, and also the body of an israeli soldier 7 7in m. 7 7 7 7in 2014. her7 7 7in 2014. her 7mass killed back in 2014. her mass was always insisting that hamas should return the two israelis and also body of the let's speak to our correspondent, mark lowen, who's in hostages square in tel aviv. the first two of those six hostages to be released today are now in the the are now in the hands of the israeli forces, they are at the reception point in southern
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israel and they be taken israel and they will be taken helicopter here to tel aviv by helicopter here to tel aviv to undergo medical we have had a examinations. we have had a from the family of statement from the family of tal shoham, who said we must seize this opportunity to secure a to bring fathers secure a deal to bring fathers back to children and return all the hostages home. very much applying pressure on the applyingpressure on the government to stick to ceasefire deal. the the ceasefire deal. within the next few we are next few minutes, we are expecting the release of the expecting the release ef the �*four hostages in this other four hostages in this area it —— cross ateajt." nuseirat. red cross ready to receive vehicles are ready to receive there and they the?! thete end they gill fieee to then! these. and they gill mass to here then! these. end they gill mass to here in israel. thejourney to here in israel. it will be a —— ofjoy it will be a jolly —— ofjoy the families of fer thefei�*fl'ss sf the were released fer thefei�*fl'es ef the were released today hostages were released today after a week of agony for many of the �*families. on of the other families. on hamas handed over the thursday, hamas handed over the first four dead bodies of hostages to israel. the remains
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bibas was correctl of shiri bibas was correctly handed to israel. the handed over to israel. the body was that of fourth body was that of oded lifschitz, he was 83 when he was seized by hamas, a retired was seized by harness. retired who actually is to sick gazans over the drive sick gazans over the border to israel to receive medical 15; israel. a medical care in israel. a cruelly ironic fact that he was erdsll'e' irenie feet thethsfi’e: ’ we... .u.. s ' .- and erdsll�*g irenie feet thethswesn ' m n ”n and caught in this targeted and caught up in this october 7 attack, having and thought so believed and thought for so much of his life for peace with gaza. we can speak now to the grandson of the late oded daniel. thank you lifschitz, daniel. thank you forjoining us, to shh fam|ly 77 7and 7 family. justtell you and your family. just tell us been going through us what has been going through your mind this week and confirmation that your grandfather was sadly one of
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those four dead bodies. tide grandfather was sadly one of those four dead bodies. we were very worried _ those four dead bodies. we were very worried about _ those four dead bodies. we were very worried about the _ very worried about the situation of an 7 my --erreat—randfath. iimy --erreat—randfath. the 2:7:_ war has become a reality. i never— war has become a reality. i never- in— war has become a reality. i never in any place, never believed in any place, any— never believed in any place, any culture can be any 84—year—old man would that an 84—year—old man would be something be kidnapped, something if be kidnapped, something _ if he - be kidnapped, something if he was unacceptable. if he was _ sure - unacceptable. if he was _ sure hei kidnapped, for sure he should have — kidnapped, for sure he should have been released immediately, even _ have been released immediately, even before my grandmother was he died in -oor, -oor 7-777 77 7 7 7 7 7_7 7ith777 77 77 77 7 7 7 7 7_ 7t7777o777ih conditions there, without food, without — conditions there, without food, without medication. he just felt bad, really faint, and then_ felt bad, really faint, and then he _ felt bad, really faint, and then he had nobody to take care i him. — then he had nobody to take care i him. and _ then he had nobody to take care him, and theyjust threw him
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on the floor of some there on the floor of some apartment in khan —= = not thay 7 not thay anyone 7 that's not the way anyone should _ that's not the way anyone should die, that's for sure not 7 way in 84—year—old the way in 84—year—old grandfather who thought for peace — grandfather who thought for peace all his he knew peace all his life. he knew that— peace all his life. he knew that sometimes what is evident, peace all his life. he knew tha he metimes what is evident, peace all his life. he knew tha he knew1es what is evident, peace all his life. he knew tha he knew that that is evident, peace all his life. he knew tha he knew that fighting vident, peace all his life. he knew tha he knew that fighting forint, but he knew that fighting for peace — but he knew that fighting for peace is— but he knew that fighting for peace is the most important because 7 because the roots - because the roots of l gggge are stron er routes. gggge are stronger than any �* routes. and he gggge are stronger than any �*routes. and he is gggge are stronger than any �* routes. and he is the one other routes. and he is the one that_ other routes. and he is the one that has— other routes. and he is the one that has been offered 504 days. what _ that has been offered 504 days. what has — that has been offered 504 days. what has this week been for you and your who and your grandmother, who was released by hamas? sets as we were very, very much as we were very, very worried — much as we were very, very worried we knew it worried and weknewthatrit - come, worried and weknewthatrit - m- worried and we knew that it come, the knowledge could come, still the knowledge that my— could come, still the knowledge that my is not with that my grandfather is .... was that my grandfather isn'mtwt'i'r iw that my grandfather is net with was really heartbreaking. i
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that my grandfather is net with w to eally heartbreaking. i that my grandfather is net with w to the y heartbreaking. i that my grandfather is net with w to the y heartb in king. i that my grandfather is net with w to the y heartb in re'im, = -= ——— 7 first place were - first place were . cars l z w—ith the came with the bodies. i wanted to see — came with the bodies. i wanted to see my— came with the bodies. i wanted to see my grandfather and - him _ to see my grandfather and - him on_ to see my grandfather and him on his last way. i est-art him an his last way? ! """"*’ with the car estdrt him ran his last day?! with the car after m.- them, and all at the junctions isaw— them, and all at the junctions i saw how— them, and all at the junctions i saw how all the people cried when — i saw how all the people cried when the _ i saw how all the people cried when the car and it was when the car passed, and it was emotionally, heartbreaking emotionally, but is heartbreaking emotionally, but i is also — heartbreaking emotionally, but i is also a _ heartbreaking emotionally, but is also a closure. tell heartbreaking emotionally, but i is also a closure.— it is also a closure. tell me how you're _ it is also a closure. tell me how you're remember - it is also a closure. tell me how you're remember your| how you're remember your grandfather. retest intelligent ' " ' ' " i z grandfather. retest feteltidfi ' " ' ' " | %e man who grandfather. retest feteltidfi ' " ' ' " | f; man who alwa s for his children, gave the time for his children, grandchildren. it was amazing to see — grandchildren. it was amazing to see how he always gave so much — to see how he always gave so much attention to everyone. he built— much attention to everyone. he built a _ much attention to everyone. he built a cactus garden that was 64 years— built a cactus garden that was 64 years old, which shows how dedicated _ 64 years old, which shows how dedicated he was to
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= _:7 7 i did. he was a journalist, . he did. he was a journalist, always— he did. he was a journalist, always a _ he did. he was a journalist, always a man of conversation. always a man of convers-.'. - always a man of conversatien. and welcomed anyone w....-w s... s.--..-...- es; his home, no in his home, no matter if it wasn't _ in his home, no matter if it wasn't right—wing, wasn't left—wing, right—wing, - culture. _ wasn't left—wing, right—wing, culture, any he any culture;'any~re.". . . my any cultureg'anyreligion. he my grandfather, grew up was my grandfather, i grew up intheir— was my grandfather, i grew up in their home, they were parents _ in their home, they were parents for me, my grandfather 7 ii and my grandmother. i learned everything i know from my and my grandmother. i learned everything land n from my and my grandmother. i learned everything land i from my and my grandmother. i learned everything land i from n is grandfather and i feel he is with— grandfather and i feel he is with me _ grandfather and i feel he is with me everywhere in the he with me everywhere in the - he is— with me everywhere in the he is their whispering -= me some -ood to me, giving me some good advice — to me, giving me some good advice of— to me, giving me some good advice of what to do. i am - honoured to - honoured to present him tried to brin- and tried to bring him home for so - i — and tried to bring him home for so - i i tell— and tried to bring him home for so i tell you, he was 7_7 7 on otober 205ix, murdered on october 20 six, 2023. — murdered on october 20 six, 2023. just— murdered on october 20 six,
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2023, just a few days after my return. i know he grandmother return: i' farm to grandmother return: i' know—he - m— grandmother return: i' know he to stay as strong as tried to stay as strong as possible to know she was fine. when — possible to know she was fine. when he — possible to know she was fine. when he was kidnapped, everyone = -7:: = _7:: us that he was? 7 us that he wasvn- - us that he was77ng for - told us that hewascalf- he told us that bewas callingiol - m_ told us that bewas calling for he was worried about her, he was very worried about hen _ her, he was very worried about hen i_ her, he was very worried about hen ithink— her, he was very worried about her. i think i he her, he was very worried about her. ithink i he knew her, he was very worried about her. i think i he knew that she back, and after that gagjgbgck. and after that he said, i let go. i moment he said, i can let go. i understand _ moment he said, i can let go. i understand i can't survive, he had _ understand i can't survive, he had blood _ understand i can't survive, he had blood pressure lung had blood pressure issues, lung disease — had blood pressure issues, lung disease. they should have just released — disease. they should have just released on the first week. released him on the first week. now— released him on the first week. now we — released him on the first week. now we have a small opportunity continue the release of the to continue the release of the hostages and the ceasefire, and the community the international community have — the international community have a — the international community have a huge obligation, because we miss that point if we miss that point i don't know— if we miss that point i don't know when the next point will knew when the net... -...7 to i m— l m— lender when the nest paint still to have a ceasefire and be to have a ceasefire and release _ be to have a ceasefire and release the on behalf release the hostages. on behalf of my— release the hostages. on behalf of my grandfather's name, at
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bring all the least. bring all the hostages ..... s .w... w.. .. . .. start least. bring all the hostages ..... e .w... w.. .. . .. start the ceasefire, and home, start the ceasefire, and he — home, start the ceasefire, and s’: "is. he was the eradicate hamas he wast-he ........-,..,...-z...z fi-ht a-ainst hamas, as biggest fight against hamas, as you try— biggest fight against hamas, as you try to amplify the sau trs ta reeds amt-tint“ .......z.... that see. trs te made emptifstns '”””'”’ that hamas see. tre te matte amt-lint": "”””'”’ that hamas is see. the ta reette e’metits'the - that hamas is the most voice that hamas is the most _ thing _ voice that hamas is the most _ thing in— voice that hamas is the most thing in the middle dangerous thing in the middle east. — dangerous thing in the middle east, and he was right unfortunately. he was a fighter hamas, unfortunately. he was a fighter - hamas. but _ unfortunately. he was a fighter - hamas, but i was - unfortunately. he was a fighter| - hamas, but i was also against hamas, but he was also against hamas, but he was also a for coexistence e feetet fer' easement: israelis and between israelis and palestinians. you now, palestinians. do you feel now, as the grieving family of oded have still lifschitz, you have still got that belief? do you feel lifschitz, you have still got that beli
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