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a sixth hostage has been privately handed over. this is the scene live in the occupied west bank where more than 600 palestinians set to be ;;:—:: part than 600 palestinians set to be 22:71: part of released as part of the ongoing agreement. us president trump has carried out a purge of senior officials at the pentagon, including the highest—ranking military officer, the chairman of thejoint chiefs of staff, general charles 0 brown. election are holding their final rallies today, democrats party is leading in the polls, with the hi, i'm ros atkins. this week on the media show,
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we'll look at how diplomacy plays out in the media with the help of a former we've also been catching up with david remnick, editor of the new yorker, which is celebrating its 100th anniversary. that's coming up on the media show. what european summit in paris, and the military alliance nato has been conducting a series of meetings. and the different parties have been communicating in different ways, including via the media. to understand this, i've been speaking with three guests — 0ana lungescu, former nato spokesperson, between 2010
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and try to sort of get a sense of what people are thinking that morning. said something quite outrageous the night before, and everyone's just trying to still work out exactly you know, some people... this is quite striking. some people will message me and say, they might be like, a government... ..someone in a government, and they're actually asking, you know, "what are you hearing?" and i think it's leaving quite a lot of countries a bit so it might be that somebody messages to say, "do you know
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anything that's going on?" you know, very political. protagonists within this story. hearing behind the scenes, off the record, is quite different to the public pronouncements that you hear from the same people. absolutely. because the british government has been extremely nervous they're nervous that anything they do say,
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will be happy to say something about, you know, their genuine but they're not willing to go on the record of doing so. larisa, stay with us. preparations would be done well in advance. years, periods when we had to move very fast. and of course, the 24th of february, 2022, the start of russia's full—fledged invasion of ukraine, it was a shock, but it was not a surprise because we had ukraine.
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and we, in fact, used our communications to call out so for the first time ever, we declassified, together to call out what russia was doing, to warn our publics, ukraine and supporting strengthening nato defence. of february, around 4:30, obviously, we'd had our media is notjust about meetings for meetings' sake, especially for nato.
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as a sign of agility, of speed and of unity. the munich security conference and we were getting a lot of rather frantic messages and whatsapp and signal messages about who was in and who was out of the meeting, if they were out. with those who were not in on the original meeting. so there is, uh... sometimes it's not possible, but you can see it also from the images, the visuals. and visuals are quite important, as we know. they're not just about logistics. they do send political signals.
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sir keir starmer, around the table at the elysee palace, they all look a bit awkward. some of them look quite stern, serious. others are actually smiling. so that does not convey a sense of unity. so it's always difficult to take pictures of people, but it also shows that not enough thinking was put be there, which diplomatic senior figures should be there. about which journalists are given what access
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at these summits. how does that work? to report from within a summit or a meeting, such as the one and the americans, or the one we saw in paris with the europeans? it completely depends on the situation. get inside the hotel where all the meetings to the sort of, you know, the hotel. whereas this year, actually, the media were sort of in this... and if you wanted to actually get into the hotel, you had to be escorted, which was quite unusual, um... actually get a question.
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the ones that get it. and often this is worked out before the conference actually takes place. organising the press conference? well, yesterday, for example, i went to one withjohn healey, in a whatsapp group, and the mod just sent us a message and said, "who wants to ask a question?" and i was... ihad my... i replied very, very quickly and got to ask it. i mean, it was as simple as that. and, 0ana, you'll have been in situations where
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you're the one deciding. yes, we tried at nato to have a balance, obviously if they weren't in one media pool, for instance, to be in another one, in the next meeting, for instance, at a summit or a ministerial meeting. from the delegations of those countries, because of course, media come as travelling press, say, with president erdogan the president of france. their own cameraman. i'm sure you... as spokesperson in 2010 at lisbon, one of my toughest jobs was to negotiate with the russians, who were then part of the nato—russia council. dmitry medvedev was then president. "before the secretary general of nato and president obama," because the russians were pushing for them
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and this is how they negotiate, both inside, but also in terms of media. and that desire to have the first move, you say at the summit in lisbon. would they try and do that more broadly, wherever absolutely. and you can see that in every meeting at all levels. and you could see that in riyadh. that was very clear to me, you know, from the pooling arrangement, you could see that the russian foreign ministry, the russian media pool, was the fastest news agencies were using the russian pool images. is this image of russia and the us on a par, sitting at the same table,
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a single interview during that visit, and that was with fox news, because we knew, fox. a lot of the senior officials were actually fox anchors or fox commentators. of media reports about how president trump had that was a very serious discussion. he was actually right that nato allies were not spending enough on defence, that message had been heard, and nato allies were going to invest $100 billion more messaging from trump.
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united than ever. so, he'd seen it. that message was delivered. listening to you both is david remnick, editor of the new yorker. we're going to talk to you at length in a minute when the briefing is going on around fast—moving stories such as the one that we're seeing this week, do they pay the new yorker attention? of what's happening?
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a much more likely to, - on a minute—to—minute basis, correspondent from the times, and a seasoned and wise - about these issues, - when in fact what hangs is a deeply chaotic president of the united states. - as we speak, as we speak, donald trumpjust said, i have a country left. " "i love ukraine, but zelensky has done a terrible job. - "his country is shattered "and millions have - i must tell you, as a citizen, which is a higher office - than journalist, i think. and what's going on here is you have a president . in the united states, i
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elected by the people, who is notjust moving - the overton window about our understanding about what happened with ukraine i conferences and so on are, i think larisa would agree, | here is you have a president of the united states siding i with russia in the most overt way and turning american - policy, morality on its head. and that's deeply concerning, i think, to all of us. _ our way in terms of the detail of what is happening, one of the calculations forjournalists and for editors
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the scale of what we're seeing? because in the moment, it can be hard to assess. and you hear this- conversation all the time and elsewhere in europe, is not to grab at the shiny object. - you hear this phrase . all this time, you know, trump will tweet something and we shouldn't _ overreact to that. so when donald trump goes in front of the world and notj to the world that he would like to, in a sense, - ethnically cleanse gaza and to build a beautiful riviera in gaza, and speaks of a term, of an issue -
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that is so historically- troubled and blood—soaked as the arab—israeli conflict - in terms of a real—estate deal, and in the language l of a real—estate deal, whether it's a diplomat from nato with great. basis and a weekly basis and a monthly basis, - it is not an easy thing, - because it's not without... long time here. anniversary. to long reads, to its cartoons and to its arts coverage too.
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hunched over a manuscript, | deciding whether the proper there are grammatical rules for that, but whatever. - that's, for me, - that's for night—time. during the day, i'm thinking about the pieces we need, i the writers to push, i the podcast episodes to broadcast. or longer term. break the news that an atomic bomb had been dropped - on hiroshima — the wire - services did that, or the radio
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but it was ourjob to send john hersey to hiroshimaj and write a 30,000—word piece about what had happened. - but also it's something that people read to this day. - now, we can't achieve i that every week, that's a pretty tall order. but i want to make sure that, just as, say, - europe in the late '805, - that we were doing that kind of work, and investigativel reporting as well, that has the process of making them. as a writer goes through the process, butjust
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the writer sends in the first draft, its 10,000 words who's read it at least once right away, and they have| wildly, ok—ers. ok—ers? what do they do? but the mission is clarity, | not to rob the writer of his or her voice, but clarity. this is a very high premium here. i and the other very high premium is accuracy and fairness. - people who not only — - and maybe ms lungescu has to her distress or inspiration, i can't tell which — _ the job there is not just - to make sure that you spell that you said this? is it true...
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the instruments that l than that, i think, as we all have come to recognise. i or some people, ora lot of people, are hungry. where the highest value . is on accuracy and fairness and deep reporting. what's thick on the ground is partisanship, banality, l misinformation as a weapon. that's not the business i'm in. damn right it's hard. and now it's 1.3 million,
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and i hope it'll grow. i you can subscribe | at newyorker.com. i need an ok—er in my business. sojust help us... help us understand the role. an ok—er is a higher version of copy... i and misspellings and sentences. that much clearer. these are people... people who are really tuned| into language and repetition
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that is being thrown. we will do you proud. please come back on the media show again soon. i really appreciate it, | thanks for having me. that wraps up this edition, i'll be back thank you very much indeed for watching, we'll see you soon. and if you'd like to hear a longer version hello there. at this time of year get light winds coming year we get light winds coming but make the most of
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in, but make the most of today's lovely sunshine. it is not expected to last the second half of the weekend. we change gear once again and see a return to some windy weather. it will bring heavy rain and gales perhaps, severe gales for a time for some as well. more detail. the wettest and windiest of the weather in scotland and northern ireland. gusts of winds 60 to 70 miles an hour in gradually clouding over with rain pushing over to wales. to the east of the pennines, there will be some sunshine and light winds and into the afternoon, east
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and strong winds continues to dominate. weather. anyone travelling during the early evening and overnight sunday, the heaviest of the rain will be across channel coasts and to the south—east of that that will linger for a wet start on monday morning. that way will clear away. looking ahead, quite a messy picture. time to time but there will also be some dry interlude as well. temperatures at about the average for this time of year. the weather story will change. if you want more details don't forget to download the bbc
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