complete blockage which this complete blockage which will mean there is no future in the dialogue with putin because there is no ceasefire that the ukrainians would be willing to accept? that is a dilemma for them as much as it is for the europeans. them as much as it is for the eumpeans-— them as much as it is for the euro eans. a, ~ , i, , europeans. 0k. thank you very much for _ europeans. 0k. thank you very much for coming _ europeans. 0k. thank you very much for coming on _ europeans. 0k. thank you very much for coming on the - much for coming on the programme and lending much for coming on the programme and [ending is your expertise. thank you. you make thank you. zelensky will meet the prime minister as we were talking about there in the hours ahead. this all before a crucial summit of european leaders on sunday. of course, it follows yesterday's fiery showdown with president trump in washington. trump accused zelensky of gambling world war iii. let's take a listen to a bit of that exchange the oval office. in exchange the oval office. in 2019i exchange the oval office. in 2019i signed with him the deal. i signed with him, mccraw and anglo—american, a ceasefire. all of them told me that he

will never go. we signed. but after that, will never go. we signed. but afterthat, he will never go. we signed. but after that, he has broken the ceasefire. he killed our people and he did not exchange prisoners. we signed the exchange of prisoners but he did not do it. what kind of diplomacy are you speaking about? what do you mean? i’m about? what do you mean? i'm talkin: about? what do you mean? i'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that is going to end the destruction of your country. mr president, with respect, _ country. mr president, with respect, i_ country. mr president, with respect, i think it is disrespectful for you to try to litigate — disrespectful for you to try to litigate this in front of the american media. right now, you litigate this in front of the americ conscripts right now, you litigate this in front of the americ conscripts to ht now, you litigate this in front of the americ conscripts to the ow, you litigate this in front of the americ conscripts to the front 'ou forcing conscripts to the front lines — forcing conscripts to the front lines should be problems. you should be thanking the president for problems. you should be thanking the pres end t for problems. you should be thanking the pres end to ii’ problems. you should be thanking the pres end to this trying to bring an end to this conflict _ trying to bring an end to this conflict. ., , ., , ., , , conflict. you see what problems we have. conflict. you see what problems we have- i've — conflict. you see what problems we have. i've actually _ we have. i've actually watched and seen _ we have. i've actually watched and seen the _ we have. i've actually watched and seen the stories _ we have. i've actually watched and seen the stories and - we have. i've actually watched and seen the stories and i - we have. i've actually watched. and seen the stories and i know what _ and seen the stories and i know what happens if you bring people, you bring them on a propagated tour. do you

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ex—president said his behaviour, and the ex—; he.ident said his behaviour, and the ex—; he is ent said his behaviour, and the ex—; he is very aid his behaviour, and the ex—; he is very happy that that he is very happy that someone finally gave proper dressing get down to zelensky, pig- whom he called an insolent pig. you can definitely tell that this development is very welcomed in russia. i think vladimir putin, even in his wildest dreams could not imagine the scenes we saw in the white house. i think is imagine the scenes we saw in the white to use. i think is imagine the scenes we saw in the white to notice think is imagine the scenes we saw in the white to notice that is important to notice that vladimir putin himself has yet to say something about this recent development, and a generally he has been very cautious in his is going to how this situation is going to play out. he has been very cautious talking the cautious talking about the tension growing in it the and relationship between kyiv and washington, dc, about any prospects of meaningful ceasefire, in the midst of prospects of meaningful ceasefir and the midst of prospects of meaningful ceasefir and the white of prospects of meaningful ceasefir and the white house. he

be in summit between them may be in saudi arabia. the date has not been set yet, there have been talks but not much happened after that. we need to see concrete actions to actually say that yes, it is a completely different environment. but again, definitely this environment suits vladimir putin much better and he is in a much better and he is in a much better position than one year ago or that he would be had to joe biden won the election last year. joe biden won the election last ear. �* . ~' . joe biden won the election last ear. . ., ~ , ., year. and talk us through some ofthe year. and talk us through some of the reaction _ year. and talk us through some of the reaction that _ year. and talk us through some of the reaction that we - year. and talk us through some of the reaction that we have - of the reaction that we have been getting through from different european countries. i different european countries. i think in europe, that mood is very different and we saw that european leaders have been very sympathetic and actually praised zelensky for standing up praised zelensky for standing up to jd vance praised zelensky for standing up tojd vance and donald trump in the oval office. still, we see that there are a lot of discussions and it is hard...

it is a difficult situation for europe right now, because for weeks they have been trying to pressure president trump that europe and ukraine both deserve a seat at this negotiating table, which is going to be much harder to do after what we send the white house yesterday. moreover, some european countries like slovakia, hungary, actually openly say that they are the president of

imagined that the president of the country, that has been attacked, would actually be disciplined by the leader of the free world while at the same time, the trump team is very cosy and nice with the

russians, the country that has attacked ukraine and killed thousands of ukrainians. so i think that this contrast, this very strong feeling of injustice in us. the whole situation, where we have been basically punished. we have been accused of not wanting peace while nothing has been said about russia. we have been forced into the deal, the conditions of which are unclear, and the president was basically humility the in the oval —— was basically humiliated in the oval office. that was a very emotional moment for all of us. trump accusing _ moment for all of us. trump accusing zelensky _ moment for all of us. trump accusing zelensky of - moment for all of us. trump i accusing zelensky of gambling with world war iii. do you think he is right? if with world war iii. do you think he is right?- with world war iii. do you think he is right? if there is any nation _ think he is right? if there is any nation in _ think he is right? if there is any nation in the _ think he is right? if there is any nation in the world - think he is right? if there is| any nation in the world right now that does not want the word to continue that would be ukrainians. the only president that wants the world war iii to happen is president putin of

russia. we want to the war to end, we wanted to end so that it does not restart in a week or a month or a yearfrom that moment. so claiming that ukrainians are at the war mongers isjust absurd. we ukrainians are at the war mongers is just absurd. we are people who are suffering from this word daily, and we want nothing more than peace. we are paying a very dear price for this piece right now as we are speaking. claiming that we are gambling with world war iii is just... absurd, as i said, i think it is completely incorrect to state that. and again i will say on behalf of all ukrainians we want peace. just peace, just peace for us. the head of nato basically said that it the head of nato basically said thatitis the head of nato basically said that it is imperative that zelensky repairs that relationship with that

zelensky repairs that re| their ;hip with that zelensky repairs that re| their behalf. i that zelensky repairs that re| their behalf. andt zelensky repairs that re| their behalf. and i also on their behalf. and i also think that we should find the right mediator, somebody who both sides can trust, who can mediate between