deal with france and present it to the us. the united kingdom, along with france and possibly one these are live pictures from downing street where we are expecting some leaders to talk to the prime minister. of ukraine — president zelensky will also meet with king charles later. in other news.

welcome to the programme. next few minutes we are the arrival of the prime minister, she to trump ahead �*today�*s yesterday ahead of today's summit here in london. crucial summit here in london. to out the issues that to iron out the issues that could lead to a peace agreement and a end to the warin and bring a end to the war in ukraine. a european leaders summit

in london later today and the presidents of the european commission and european council will also attend. earlier this morning, the prime minister sir keir starmer, he was asked for his reaction to what happened lets have a listen. clearly, you know, there's a lot of tension. the cameras were on. nobody wants to see that. i spoke to president zelensky. and i spoke to president macron after that and then to president trump. been to bridge this, if you like, and get us back to the central focus.

president trump on the phone. we've now agreed that the united kingdom, along but it's really important that we keep our central nobody wants any more bloodshed. of what the proposals might be that you are trying but what happens matters so much, because it's about president trump. president trump said

it's difficult to do business like this. in that moment, very much sympathy for ukraine. he was berating president zelensky, telling him and i think, prime minister, anyone who's known you for did you? yes, i felt uncomfortable. nobody wants to see that. one is to ramp up the rhetoric as to how outraged we all are or not. pick up the phone, talk to president trump, talk and president trump afterwards. because my reaction was,

we have to bridge this. conflict now. a number of times. i've met him twice. we had a long session on thursday. i'm absolutely clear that's what his motive is. i agree with that. and in the end, that remains the central most important was asked what she thinks

about keir starmer�*s plan british troops on the ground. where was the money coming from? and, you know, looking at the scenes from last week, is having today goes well. and his successors, and we want to make sure interest at all times. honestly, my heart went out

to president zelensky. conversations in front of the cameras. and we have to remember that president zelensky is a hero. let me bring you a couple of lines from the leaders before set off to london, the they set off to london, the polish prime fetish prime minister. saying it will be a real test of that it will be a real test of the intentions and european if” iheuroipfiean state n if” iheuroipfiean state to 7 of each european state to have more troops in more european troops present in baltic states and z 2153562??? ’ poland on.the border with and he also is russia and belarus. he also is a saying that he supports the

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vladimir zelenskyy and your on thoughts on that. first of all, never thoughts on that. first of all, - never seen _ thoughts on that. first of all, - never seen anything - thoughts on that. first of all, - never seen anything like | his never seen anything likelli ' in f155 heifer eeen anything tileezi ' in a0 leeneeef eeen anything tileezi ' in a0 odd years of —: it was once in a zz= 2—25”: t——’ generational thing and i don't want to see again. second want to see it again. second thing it looked basically thing was, it looked basically like a coordinated dressing down by the president and vice president of the lenski in of the cameras. we have front of the cameras. we have to wonder about the purpose of —:: it was -7- that whether it—was'a'signal to than 60% thatmore than 60% of voters who think us rezoublican voters who think us to ukraine should stop. you rezoublican voters who think us t( it kraine should stop. you rezoublican voters who think us t( it was 1e should stop. you rezoublican voters who think us t( it was planned, stop. you rezoublican voters who think us t( it was planned, it op. you rezoublican voters who think us t( it was planned, it was you think it was planned, it was don't want to intentional? tdon't want to too much intentional? l'don't want to too much into 5st::f:.”i’t" '” ” "’ ——; theories, it to me it felt a bit premeditated, - theories, it to me it felt a i bit premeditated, especially that open question from one of the journalist about why he

wasn't wearing wires, it'll looked e premeditated, looked a bit premeditated, the thing now, what i important thing now, what i the prime important thing now, what! the prime minister seems think the prime minister seems to have achieved, to move on from to take the from that, to take the temperature down and to focus matters which is what on what matters which is what of a deal might be kind of a deal might be possible to bring this war to an end. i think said possible to bring this war to an e morning ik said possible to bring this war to an e morning on said possible to bring this war to an e morning on the said possible to bring this war to an e morning on the bbc aid possible to bring this war to an e morning on the bbc about this morning on the bbc about uk and france with one or others trying to work up o proposals; to work up the ttt! eh?— e’eeee ee’th -—e 55, ... f ... ~ .,,, —— o proposals for work up o proposals for that, up o proposals for that, it) o proposals for that, it is some proposals for that, it is actually for me the best news that has emerged in the last 72 that. nee emerged ifi. the leaf. §§ what i'm hearing, hours because what i'm hearing, there isn't really hasn't really been anything like a american for detailed american plan for this, the ideal of the british the french working and the french working together to try to produce that plan is te tn; te efeduce thet'el’en’ie'” " ' good way to go forward i a good way to go forward i think. ,., , think. keir starmer saying he didn't want — think. keir starmer saying he didn't want to _ think. keir starmer saying he didn't want to get _ think. keir starmer saying he didn't want to get - up| think. keir starmer saying he l didn't want to get - up in didn't want'to get caught'up in outrage, getting ididn�*t want'to get caught'up in outrage, getting on out with a when

coming out with a plan. when summit in london today was up e 1.1’* up’of ” "’ ' ”we? ” up of course, 5 775 up of course, they hoping the were hoping that the meetings between keir starmer and the french r" feet— in french president also in washington this week would lay the groundwork for what they the groundwork for what they doing here the groundwork for what they doing here in london were doing here in london today. they now in to what j to what 5 had hoped achieve to have got 7 7 7 7 achieve to have got also 7 7 7 achieve to have got also to? 7 7 to achieve to have got also to work out how to repair us, work out how to repair that us, uk to a certain uk relationship to a certain extent as well. just extent as well. i'm just looking see if there's any ofanything, i had camferas sign of anything, i had cameras but it was larry, the clicking, but it was larry, the downing cat. just on downing street cat. just on that point, where or how, do the people gathered here starts the? 553515 aaeeeree here eearee think the 553515 aaeeeiee here eearee think about the eeeee aaeeeiee hefe eeafee think about that's to think about repairing that's relationship? i to think about repairing that's relationship?— relationehia? i would say there's any this, i would say there's any need to zelensky and trump in a room within

next few 7 next few days? i would work the next fewrdaysgl would work first the next fewrdaysgl woold work first of all, i would hope out, first of all, i would hope from this summit you get a fr’erfifhteeum’mitfeu get a statement that tr’erfifhteeum’mitfeu get a statement that you collective statement that you will continue to support like what ukraine, i like what the cheque prime minister is saying, ukraine is more assistance from military assistance from europe. and that there needs to be a peace. if you be a just peace. if you get that of outcome, a . reements from collective agreements from today's treatment, then ukraine france can work out and france can work out what they think deliverable, 7 to and sellable to zelensky, and in the e:- h :to putin. 2—7- —: = -: to the americans 5 to the americans about if a . reed to the areed to the deal, unions they agreed to the deal, unions that are diplomatic... persuade russia that this is the way someone i s-oke to forward. fie??? sa in: that m recently saying that what we're looking from the us

looking up from the us is respect a perspective is respect for a strength —based international order rather than a rules —based international order. would you agree with and —based international order. wouli how agree with and —based international order. wouli how do ree with and —based international order. wouli how do you nith and —based international order. wouli how do you nith the and it ee herer de veu thine'theee' , , " w what will the next move will, what will the next move is for donald trump's ie for qanald trump ' w administration? there is evidence _ administration? there is evidence piling - administration? there is evidence piling up - administration? there is evidence piling up about| evidence oiling up aeeut— —based as to strength —based as opposed to rule—based i don't think rule—based but i don't think they are there they are definitively there yet. i think trump yet. i think president trump has been a great fan of has never been a great fan of nato and has said in his nato and has said that in his first that nato was a scam first term that nato was a scam in which europeans got to pay for the americans to pay for the european defence americans to pay for the has rpean defence americans to pay for the has been defence americans to pay for the has been chronically spending has been chronically low too many years. low for too many years. so, three get a set three stages, let's get a set of �* that we of proposals together that we think can be way for think can be a way for going forward. second, get some forward; eetenet lef�*e’g’eteeme’ ”w with the united agreement with the united states on the backstop which i think will be us troops

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that uk and france as keir says one or two others, starmer says one or two others, go away and try and work viihat t t lehat the t t vt/hatttthtet t tttoft t lehat the of some sort out what the basis of some sort ceasefire proposal of a ceasefire proposal might be. if you can get all of that, it will be very successful meeting. it will be very successful meeting-— it will be very successful meeting. it will be very successful meetinu. ., ,, ., ., ., meeting. you speak from a lot of experience, _ meeting. you speak from a lot of experience, and _ meeting. you speak from a lot of experience, and we - meeting. you speak from a lot of experience, and we will- meeting. you speak from a lot| of experience, and we will wait and see how unfolds, and see how the day unfolds, thank you very much. just thank you very much. i'm just glancing down towards the gates �* downing downing street, i can see of downing street, i can see some flags some ukrainian flags flying the gates we are on t on the arrival of on the arrival of the waiting on the arrival of the italian prime minister. think any time now, but let me take t to to an interview i t to an interview i did the last hour. the head of regional security & conflict studies, democratic initiatives foundation.

of pro—ukrainian coalition like it was before. the main problem right now is to speed up not as well as a whole, but on the level of those who are ready for, brave political mission to ukraine. and from this point of view, the position of trump to isolate from the russian—ukrainian war in terms of like it was before, in terms of support of ukraine. from this point of view, trump has been pushing basically european

countries to be, to be, you know, more advanced in their support of ukraine because they will face the russian in its own defence, in the defence of ukraine. that might alter his approach and make him more amenable to providing some kind of backstop? yes, i do think that we might have a good take away the prime minister be greeted by its �*starmer. greeted by its keir starmer. for cameras but posing for the cameras but apparently determined not to

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they are in a with they are in a major crisis with they are in a major crisis with the us on to how to deal with ukraine and they are swapping notes, we know for ukraine and they are sw