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moment, that got the bilateral track to the us, with the 7 in track to the us, with the . in istanbul, that's discussions in istanbul, that's being moved forward. this 7 the foreign minister morning. the foreign minister also reiterated the russian is that position. which is that there be no european forces in wiltioet no european forces in pa rt wiltioet no european forces in part of a peace ukraine as part of a peace 77 ukraine as part of a peace . . i think all agreements lthink'it�*s'att " ' ,. " well for agreements lthink'it�*s'att " ' w " well for europeans to z e 7 to talk about around ce'. csce" 5“ the truer-e th www ' n' w w to te issuerut around ce'. csce" 5“ the truer-e th www ' n' w w to te issue and around 7 to te issue and with 'ound 7 to te issue and with the d ukrainian issue and with the united but of if united states. but of course if to get russia to the you want to get russia to the they are also to table, they are also going to have agree to certain things have to agree to certain things and they have now insistently indicated that they will no indicated that they will be no foreign forces in j— for possibly in 77 for possibly in this 7.77 $02: ofa un 5 of a un mandated police idea of a un mandated police force. c ., i. monitoring force. z??? ,, a.-. would monitoring force. iii; ,, a, ,, would it monitoring force. if; ,, a, ,, would it take monitoring force. iii; , , a, ,, would it take to monitoring force. iii; ,, a, ,, would it take to net monitoring force. iii; , , a, ,, would it take to net an guarantee from sort of guarantee from russia and for ukraine and europe to have faith that guarantee have faith that that guarantee would hold because that is something that we have seen brought up in the oval office

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talking about now in terms of what do militaries what do the various militaries sac—aces. in what do the various militaries their; in the us what do the various militaries fie/wee in the us and in �* parts of the world as other parts of the world as well, what do intelligence agencies do? and, as the euro a lot of focus is on the focus is on ramping up defence spending, also the question7of present question of procurement, how did they get ml==nn= all 77 7 m 77 7 7371175?” new missions, tanks, all of those things that i needed to fight a war to defend the 77 how do they ramp security, how do they ramp up that the security, how do they ramp up that with the the security, how do they ramp up that with the us :he security, how do they ramp up that with the us is: relationship with the us is somewhat uncertain at the moment? absolutely, i think this i going _ moment? absolutely, i think this i going i be _ this is going to be another track of the conversation that's taking place in the summits today. maybe one of the important, in fact. that's most important, in fact. that's really how to more money most important, in fact. that's real the »w to more money most important, in fact. that's real the »w to industry oney most important, in fact. that's real the »w to industry in ey into the defence industry in sustainable ways. heard sustainable ways. we've heard lots of i n in recent

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comments. we just saw the secretary of nato secretar" general of meta beino— se'eta renea' of “at“ bench by the se'eta renea' of h'ata bench by the uk prime greeted by the uk prime minister, sir keir starmer. it miqisss’s'si’ "ers�*a'rser't ~ interesting going back to is interesting goingwwback to mark was saying when he what mark was saying when he became of nato, which became the boss of nato, which was �* to became the boss of nato, which was �*to donald trump be but of course at that elected but of course at that point, he was very much alive to the possibility that it 77be 7 7 be donald77 77backin white house. i at the white houseth , mark �* then he7told 7 77 777 777he7told the he7told the theh777 777 he7told hie thehthat 77 7 he7told hie thehthatehe he ti much then that she he ti much thinking it she he ti much thinking about was very much thinking about �* to was very much thinking about �*to ramp was very much thinking about �* to ramp the was very much thinking about �*to ramp the european how to ramp up the european block of and block of nato and acknowledged the fact that they would have block of nato and acknowledged th be ct that they would have block of nato and acknowledged th be ct increase would have block of nato and acknowledged th be ct increase in>uld have block of nato and acknowledged th be ct increase in defencer to be an increase in defence spending within that european to7fa ce the block to face the challenges ahead of course since tru m7p trum7p plasma tru m7p plasma collection, donald trump plasma collection, since all of the conversations that been taking place that have been taking place on theissue that have been taking place on the issue of ukraine how to the issue of ukraine and how to an end to the war, it is bring an. end to the war. it is c all of bring an end to the war. it is c all of that's a

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precisely how much humble pie at mr_ precisely how much humble pie at mr zelensky has to eat to -et at mr zelensky has to eat to get - into _ at mr zelensky has to eat to get into the white house get back into the white house and to— get back into the white house and to get in some kind with americans, i the th the presidentericans, i the president of cans, i the president of finland asked the presiden, o ' a this asked the presidenteofefiihlanul - this this asked the president of finland this this morning in about this this mornin ' a and about this this morninge'rna-r -m- about this this morning ii'7i an and i said what did 27—77—777777ééézz— sw—e7—w7777 ' " " 7—ézw— it is likely have to do? he said — it is likely have to do? he said i_ it is likely have to do? he said i like english pies that not --oin 777 : not --oin to advise 7777. has are not going to advise . u - l - what are not going to advise anybody i what they are not going to advise anybody what they should �*should m .w7 scczcewweeceeews ?l eh.— = that will be certainly pie. that will be certainly a key— pie. that will be certainly a key issue. i think the 2 issue is going i be what key issue is going to be what can europe do more. the - has _ can europe do more. the has made it very minister, has made it very - that _ minister, has made it very - that he _ minister, has made it very �*that he wants europe - reater take greater ownership of this if take greater ownership of this - if you _ take greater ownership of this if you think about it, have - have been have been largely by the we have been largely led by the americans, led their initial americans, led by their initial conversations by the russians, and i much _ conversations by the russians, and much conversations with and not much conversations with - ukrainians _ and not much conversations with ukrainians. i what e = -222 =:-: we want to, we saying, we want to, we need to -et saying, we want to, we need to get i dog — saying, we want to, we need to get i dog in— saying, we want to, we need to get dog in this fight, they getg do- in this fi-w. ,t - e to getg do in this fi ht. ,t - to come getg dog in this fight. they to come up with �* own need to come up with their own ideas. — need to come up with their own ideas. the — need to come up with their own ideas, the minister said and eventually to have

he and eventually to have a for he and eventually to have a - for their— he and eventually to have a for their own ideas of a 777hat willinvolve - reater -reater commitments - reater commitments than do europeans make - do europeans make to - do europeans make to future security guarantees for ukraine in a scenario? in in a post—war scenario? in other— in a post—war scenario? in other prime minister other words the prime minister 7 otherwords the prime minister be looking for other words. the prime minister be looking for gritty spendin- in -eneral, 7 also spending in7eral, 7 also greaterg in7eral, 2 also greater commitment 2 also greater comment by 2 also greate to »mment by 2 also greate to pfiment by other countries to put military force — other countries to put military force on— other countries to put military force on the ground in ukraine terse an the argued in u'ra'"e 777 future, to teree 9h the areehe ih u're'"e 777 future, to keep inihéfijt’iii�*é’; ,- . , the in the'future; to keep the the british and peace, the british and the french_ peace, the british and the french will set thee up at = -: -: 2 on the ground,7t other goods on the ground, what other countries — goods on the ground, what other countries will do not countries will do that not everybody the prime everybody will. the prime minister toppled by the coalition of the the zif if the prime hope is, that if the prime minister_ hope is, that if the prime minister and the europeans can some decent iiome deent plan forward, -et some decent -lan forward getsome decent plan forward then that getsome decent plan forward, then that to the they then present thattcrthe they then present that to the saying look, this is americans, saying look, this is _ plan, _ americans, saying look, this is _ plan, can_ americans, saying look, this is plan, can you a workable plan, can you change - mind — a workable plan, can you change - mind is _ a workable plan, can you change - mind isia— because at fibecause at th guarantee because at the president of made it moment, president of—made7'rt -_ moment, president of—made7'rt - clear that moment, president of—made it clear that he does to provis § to provis militaryi § to pr tws militaryi § to pr tplem litaryi § to pr tplem is aryi backstop. the problem is this, you can — backstop. the problem is this, you can have as many european put on _ you can have as many european put on the — you can have as many european put on the ground, but if you

not have air cover, do not have american air cover, _ logistical— do not have american air cover, logistical support, american logistical support, and american intelligence cover, _ and american intelligence cover, any of reassurance may not have the punch it force may not have the pu- - ', to force may not have the punehrit - m_ force may not have the punch it to deter future russian needs—ta deter futur so, needs—ta deter futurefiussiah needs—ta deter future russian so, what they are -w- - is - today is - is today is the hoping, is that today is the key— hoping, is that today is the key that_ hoping, is that today is the key that can not keythat can pgtggt'glly pg; - m_ keythat can dotentially not resolve transatlantic just resolve't ,--s,,,, but just resolvethansatlantie -m- just resolvetransattantie but also potentially relations but also potentially unlock— relations but also potentially unlock a _ relations but also potentially unlock a peace plan for m- uznlockpapeace plan for that is hugely a-enda ii: _ t -timistic a-enda that has ”nw, optimistic agenda that has ,, ,,, no pre—glitz might absolutely no pre—glitz might guarantee it will work. as this summit is getting way, i want to ask you proposal”: 7; 1 broposal th; eu about the proposalfor the eu summit... any idea about that how 5 that might ——§i happen? there is no sense sf, timin: happen? there ie he eehee efr timin: on happen? there ie ne eenee efj - timing onfi happen? there ie ne eenee efj 1“an any timing on that yet, i have - doubts _ any timing on that yet, i have doubts about that my doubts about whether that is going _ my doubts about whether that is going to — my doubts about whether that is going to happen fast. what has eerie. irerif. ciear in 7 f-wmmi—f 7 77771-7777777777—7 days is not 'ust mr gegntgays is not just mr antipathy to gegnjtdays is not just mr antipathy to europe in

trump's antipathy to europe in but general, but his antipathy towards the eu in very specific terms — towards the eu in very specific term he _ towards the eu in very specific terms. he said the other day eiezi.:*2 777777777777777 —p that he said that ellwas se . . - that he said that ettwa s setup the states. to screw the united states. that — to screw the united states. that is _ to screw the united states. that is incorrect. —= = -= eu was was - eu was was set up. - eu was was set up to| war in europe. e prevent war in europe. that is his attitude towards the european it does not european union. it does not have — european union. it does not have fond _ european union. it does not have fond views it. he european union. it does not have for the aws it. he european union. it does not have for the eu it. he european union. it does not have for the eu is it. he european union. it does not have for the eu is ripping off believes the eu is ripping off america _ believes the eu is ripping off america it trade. summits and like multilateral sum