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place. with the aim of trying to - consensus _ place. with the aim of trying to - consensus on - place. with the aim of trying to - consensus on how . place. with the aim of trying to - consensus on how to | to find consensus on how to move forward to help ukraine, reset little. it has been to reset a little. it has been an intense week of viable activity, we saw on monday president of my �* france president of my crown of france go to to meet go to the white house to meet donald trump. on thursday we had the uk prime mr had the uk prime minister. mr starmer, meeting had the uk prime minister, mr starmer, meeting donald in washington? in washingtonjand then trump in washington. and then they had hoped to lay orooodwork for whet wes—— 77—— on drooodwork for whet wes—— 77—— on that happening on friday, that between president meeting between president of ukraine it know happened, turned into a meeting between very fractious meeting between the two men. the today already 5 already planned, j already planned, but 5 addition tot in to find a in addition tortrying to find a forward to the in addition tortrying to find a in irward to the in addition tortrying to find a in ukraine, they he in addition tortrying to find a in ukraine, they are fighting in ukraine; theyare , - ~ ,,, ~ , �*also grappling with the z: a question of how to build a terms of the bridge, in terms of the between relationshipbetween ukraine states. what that 7 w 7' ' whatthatrelationship

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would t would backgtgp any deal. that would backstop any deal. just peace, as we so often hear from leaders here in europe. so, when you say you do not necessarily see a clear path what possible options 71; getees is f’ ”i wtee get to wwtee get to the wa nts to get that europe wants to get to, that europe wants to get to, that ukraine to get to, that ukraine wants to get to, that ukraine wants to get to, that trump says he to t to get to t to get to as t to get to as well, tpeace wants to get to as well, peace i wantstogettu. .~ -~.~ that the t t t thht the euroeans that the europeans on the ukrainians are sitting down, coming ukrainiansare sitting down, coming out firm and coming out with firm proposals. let us tooting come and coming out with firm pro more. let us tooting come and coming out with firm pro more specifics, )oting come and coming out with firm pro more specifics, ) think:ome and coming out with firm pro more specifics, ) think mr e out more specifics, i think mr starmer is quite right. it is time to words into action. i!!- peace and peatce and floating 2-2 the americans t to the americans and having and voices the is with the americans is important. but i think america inoportantt weot tthin's e—eca not wanted to has not wanted to be committed ukraine to goarantee uhraine” w since tindependent in 1991. became independent in 1991. america has always had

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an agreement, to a deal? couple of weeks ago people were 110,000 trgops, that talking 110,000 troops, that total fantasy. talking 110,000 troops, that totalfantasy. i the was total fantasy. i think the wording the british side a reassurance force, was a reassurance force, ukrainians are on the front line, they will be behind line, but they will be behind it to help against it to help ukraine against russian aggression. the problem have got as webavegot is thatas people webavegot is thatas people we have weioavegot is thatas people we have spent years europe and taking all the sort t all the sort of t all the sort of force t all the sort of force you t away all the sort of force you be a credible need to be a credible deterrent. it even ' british " br1t1sh itself we are more although we are getting more money now �*defence, is not money now for defence, is not in the peacekeeping in shape. the peacekeeping it the process of task, it is in the process of transferring. it has to be credible and think the problem is there might be troops there, but what about signals, air defence, engineering, artillery, and air cover, it is without air cover, it is going to hollow. and the without air cover, it is going to know ow. and the without air cover, it is going to know that. nd the without air cover, it is going to | know that--

without air cover, it is going to | know that.— without air cover, it is going to | know that. witt know that» eeeeeeee witt knewthet — — — �*time today. he has publicly criticised the us for how it handled trump and zelensky. he gave me his analysis on this week's events. not only that particular meeting, but it's been a horrible week. in, well, in modern times. where the americans lined up with the russians and then it continues with sort of president trump calling president zelensky dictator. and it culminated with this horror show of primarily sort of criticising in every single way.

do you think in europe, countries have been is gradually sinking again. to be what it used to be.

pressure on mr putin. sorry to to interrupt. president trump was given a mandate by the american in its fourth year, that europe hasn't been i don't think anyone thinks it's going to i mean, if there is no pressure

whatsoever on russia, mr they continue the military offensive. of ukraine, remains on the table. and then to believe that it can just say to mr putin, please, could you give up, is, in my opinion, amateurish. so for the leaders gathering in london today for this ukraine you . e -e—e e.e you think deep, [mike]- we know that they want to also try to reach out to to try to reach out to america to try to reach out to america to try to reach out to america to try to repair relations with t to to to to ensure t to to ensure that america, to try to ensure that the us is involved in at some of security guarantee of security but rantee of security but do tee of security but do you also going forward. but do you also think that alongside that,

eucope— a think that alongside that, eulope- a strategic europe needs a strategic rethink of how it does things? i do. i think, short—term, rethink of how it does things? i do. ithink, short—term, it is absolutely what i understand i do. ithink, short—term, it is ab mr tely what i understand i do. ithink, short—term, it is ab mr starmert i understand i do. ithink, short—term, it is ab mr starmer is understand i do. ithink, short—term, it is ab mr starmer is trying stand i do. ithink, short—term, it is ab mr starmer is trying to nd from mr starmer is trying to do, we are trying to see if we can repair the damage. but 7c7an.repair the damage. .but that, strategic 7c7an.repair the damage,..but that, strategic rethink, tare t dealihg t tare tdealihgwith t tare t dealihg witha t we are clearly dealing with a trump administration that has fundamentally different outlook that defines interest �* the united states fu nda mentally differently before. differently from before. what on friday was notjust happened on friday was notjust a hiccup. it was a lot bigger at of what we have ddring the t ddring the last: ddring the last few weeks the donald trump from the donald trump if you see vice advance in president advance in that encounter, is not a encounter, that is not a temporary thing. that is tgmggrary thing. that is that we would to e-e with, tfor at least live with, for at least some years, possibly longer. will live with, for at least some yearr to tossibly longer. will live with, for at least some yearr to adjust1 longer. will live with, for at least some yearr to adjust to inger. will live with, for at least some yearr to adjust to it. er. will

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