that the king - a pariéffwvmv ”w = he is head pro =——f he is head ofst he is head gf state, he course he is head of state, he is the fray and will is above the fray and will not enter the fray, is above the fray and will not enterthe fray, but enter the politicalfray, but it shows when it comes to international diplomatic ok, for 0k, forthe ok, for the moment, alex, thank you very much, alex a you very much, alex dunlop, a reporter outside sandringham, resertsr fi�*:"=ié; �*éfi�*é�*sla— royal resertsr fi�*:"=ié; �*éfi�*é�*ala— royal estate worth resertsrss’saiés �*éfi�*é�*ala— royal estate worth king the royal estate worth king charles will be receiving who ”7 7” w” ”7 whio left a �* minutes lancaster house a few minutes ago and is now travelling by ago and he is now travelling by helicopter. to norfolk where the sandringham gift; is. ' ’ 7 helicopter. to norfolk where the sandringham gift; is. so ’ 7 the sandringham estate is. so president macron departed. still a few we expect to stillafew peoplerwe expect to i stillefew peeplerwe expect te i don't stittefew peepterwe expect te i don't think we have seen rutte, mark rutte, secretary—general of nato, leave yet. will he ef nate. teevergetc wilt—he— , —— ~ ,, a word for us? ef nate. teeveyetc wilt—he— , —— ~ ~ a word for us? maybe. then have a werdfer—uerlmeybe; then are up the we are building up the news conference with sir keir starmer, uk prime minister. is where we are going to the 77 77 the substantive 77 77

the substantive detail of hear the substantive detail of what on inside lancaster we heard our diplomatic james landale say earlier it is the a little earlier it is the and has long history hosting like 7 w ”likefthisffi 7 w ”like; this, qt; 7 77 77l7ike7 this, 1&5} summits like this, lots of rooms and corridors can have those where leaders cenheve these fa ce—to —fa ce and i think conversations. and i think it is important, conversations. and i think it, it is important, conversations. and i think it, for it is important, conversations. and i think it, for europe 1portant, conversations. and i think it, for europe to )rtant, isn't it, for europe to demonstrate that it is talking to one another, the countries, the nations are talking to one and 77 and trying 7 and trying to 77 and trying to reach a another and trying to reach a solution, even if there are points of difference because have a multitude of you have a multitude of countries today, notjust canada 7 canada is 7 7 canada is here as7well. yofi eeeee; e ii�*i e; you have the united states one administration, of america, one administration, and then hear so different and then hear so many different administrations. so is a administrations. so it is a challenge for a larger group of like this to up nations like this to come up a plan. so i

with a unifying plan. so i think going to be think it's going to be really important we listen to impfirteflt ghee tee lletcfi te ' ' ' starmer to find out keir starmer to find out if he got that message has got that message of unity from the group, if there are things that they all agree on, because there are different and it's approaches. and it's that he talks about interesting that he talks about the coalition of the we know that 77 we know that not 7willing7o7r7ha7s7 7willing7or7ha7s7the gygryoneis willing or has the to put boots on the in ukraine as 7in ukraine as part of a 7 deal, 7777d7e731fr77777 7 7 7 pi; mat; 7 7 7 7d7e7al,7 mag that detential deal. if indeed that, , , ~ , the basis petential deal. if indeed that... , , ~ , the basis any formed the basis of any security going security guarantee going forward. i think useful forward. i think it's useful now to listen the nowjust to listen to the president of the european ursula von der commission ursula von der leyen. she left �* house leyen. she left lancaster house a while ago. she had some a short while ago. she had some words for the gathered media. i had ihada i had a very good and frank discussion. we discussion. basically, we discussed is discussed everything that is around piece and and course guarantees —77— of support no

are of utmost support no �* ukraine but we importance for—ukrainebdt we comprehensive security need comprehensive security this includes that have in a we have torpat ukraine in a �* strength, we have torpat ukraine in a �*strength, that it position of strength, that it has the 75” to protect itself. let's talk to matthew _ protect itself. let's talk to matthew savill, _ protect itself. let's talk to matthew savill, director . protect itself. let's talk to | matthew savill, director of matthew savill. director of at the royal military sciences at the royal united services institute. thank you for your time. you be7 7 be aware be7aware t7hat be7aware that we will be aware that we are keeping a close eye on who is leaving. here comes rutte, leaving. here comes mark rutte, matthew, bear us, he is leaving. here comes mark rutte, mat1 over bear us, he is leaving. here comes mark rutte, mat1 over to ar us, he is leaving. here comes mark rutte, mat1 over to have us, he is leaving. here comes mark rutte, mat1 over to have a us, he is coming over to have a word. we willjust coming over to have a word. we will just told �* a �*a moment. european countries are up, — european countries are up, first— european countries are up, first of all to make sure european countries are up, ukraine 1 to make sure european countries are up, ukraine has make sure european countries are up, ukraine has got (e sure thatti’k’raine’hae o. " a. '. i that ukraine www—if - i think it thatti’kraine’ has got what it i think it was a good needs. i think it was a good meeting _ needs. i think it was a good meeting a very good meeting. because — meeting a very good meeting. because what you see is a european country is stepping up, european country is stepping up. first_ european country is stepping up, first of all to make sure up, first of all tomaicssme -m_ up, first of all to'r'nake sure ukraine has got what it

that ukraine has got what it needs— that ukraine has got what it needs to _ that ukraine has got what it needs to the fight, as as it has to continue. and long as it has to continue. and i have — long as it has to continue. and i have seen. _ long as it has to continue. and have seen, for example, long as it has to continue. and hav' but an, for example, long as it has to continue. and hav' but an, fthe (ample, long as it has to continue. and havn but an, fthe united, finland but also the united yesterday making big kingdom yesterday makin ' i kingdom yesterday making—big _m- kingdom yesterday making big i have every announcements”! h. to announcements”! have every to believe more reason to believe that more announcements will what m is european rampin- rampin - up we also see is edrdpean ramping up to we also see is edrdpean re guarantees help with security guarantees for when a peace for the moment when a peace deal— for the moment when a peace deal would be struck. obviously there _ deal would be struck. obviously there is— deal would be struck. obviously there is deal yet. deal would be struck. obviously there is dealyet. there is there is no deal yet. there is no ceasefire yet. but we have there is no deal yet. there is nc prepare e yet. but we have there is no deal yet. there is nc prepare forat. but we have there is no deal yet. there is nc prepare forat. e moment 'e there is no deal yet. there is nc prepare forat. e moment and to prepare fo'r'tha't'mome . . sure to prepare forthat'momentand -m_ to prepare forthat'moment and sure that european ee -1.72 are willin- to help countries are willing to help out with _ countries are willing to help out with the security outwiththe - ritv e a: 7= -7 7= _7 7— gag-uh. -. n | - . table. saws -m_ ggvg quite a few countries at table. of course the this table. of course the - being - this table. of course the being taken by the initiative being taken by the kingdom and france, wantin- to help. sol that's important. and t come nportant. and t come on thant. and tcome on defence nd thirdly come on defence spending. also today the “1:75:255522525 and i'm 77:25? _d i'm not announcements, and i'm not going _ announcements, and i'm not going to — announcements, and i'm not going to to you going to announce them to you because — going to announce them to you because they should do this, but this— because they should do this, but this was very good news but u .. -;-u-n=ws more european that more european countries

- ramp— that more european countries - ramp up— that more european countries ramp up defence spending. course announced i course i announced this i of course uk announced this last tuesday and wednesday but i last tuesday and wednesday but i- that _ last tuesday and wednesday but i that other countries i believe that other countries will follow. and this is important, not because only -- important, not because ontywe mm— important, not because only we of fair balance needmoreofaf.’ -..- . the needmoreofafatnbalanee - the us needmoreofafair balance the us terms of defence e spending, but also because we know_ spending, but also because we know that our security knowthat our secur' e knowthat our secur'tg m knowthat our security is such that we need situation is such that we need to— on _ situation is such that we need to on defence, particularly now on the _ and - particularly now on the and canadian side. . europeans rely on the us the europeans rely on the us for security? _ for security? tia? this mornin: for security? tia? - this morning in for security?% - this morning in the starmer this morning in the interview, that discussion is going — interview, that discussion is going on_ interview, that discussion is going on and the will going on and the americans will say going on and the americans will - say first— going on and the americans will say first need a rightly say first we need a peace _ rightly say first we need a peace deal before there is a peace deal beforetheren'sa needs peace deal beforetheren'sa m peace deal before there is a needs to be kept. piece that needs to be kept. but at — piece that needs to be kept. but at the same time we in sure that when deal arises and dear and distraw deaf and distrat a deal arises and distract that we stand _ a deal arises and distract that we stand ready and in europe will we stand ready and in europe witt- big _ we stand ready and in europe will big role here to sure ::_ua ure that that -m— make sdre'that that deat. that peace can maintained. that peace can be maintained. sorry? —

that peace can be maintained. sor ? �* , �* sorry? tueuetet- is sorry? luaueleea is for soi’i’y? lfléleqb—le'eé . is for tia- sorry? tdeuetets . is for them to i l is for them to announce that it is for them to announce that but it— it is for them to announce that but it was— it is for them to announce that but it was positive to hear so many — but it was positive to hear so many countries at the table. you — many countries at the table. you witi— many countries at the table. you will have to speak to them. _ spoke _ you will have to speak to them. _ spoke to _ you will have to speak to them. spoke to them already maybe you spoke to them already leaving _ maybe you spoke to them already leaving the meeting.— leaving the meeting. inaudible obviously if _ leaving the meeting. inaudible obviously if you _ leaving the meeting. inaudible obviously if you need _ leaving the meeting. inaudible obviously if you need a - leaving the meeting. inaudible obviously if you need a peace i to be remained and to deal to be remained and to make sure that — deal to be remained and to make sure that putin will j= ever again try to attack ukraine _ ever again try to attack ukraine post a ceasefire or - deat _ ukraine post a ceasefire or - deat you _ ukraine post a ceasefire or deal. you will have peace deal. you will have european peacekeepers in ukraine _ european peacekeepers in ukraine to make sure that the is kept, that it is piece is kept, that it is sustainable, that it is seem 77— seem that one can doesn't seem that one can work without the other. at this moment. _ without the other. at this moment, this _ without the other. at this moment, this is - without the other. at this moment, this is exactly l without the other. at this| moment, this is exactly to without the other. at this - moment, this is exactly to the = -: interview the british prime minister starmer gave this minister keiretarm . we minister kmrstarmalgathis - we are i out i ::7=—7777 mean of course particularly of course the countries involved.- particularly of course the countries involved.£an v; us to countries involved.£an v - us to commit countries involvedéan v - us to commit to countries involvedéap v - us to commit to be part of theus to commit tobe part of security guarantees? those security guarantees? . . you have seen the

again. you have seen the _w- again. you have seen the _ visit last - again. you have seen the visit last week of 7 77777 fre n7h pre 77int 77 fre n7h pre77int and77 french president and the § 7 _7 7777—77a777777 77777—77777 myself, i had a very positive phone — myself, i had a very positive phone call president trump phone call with'president'trump - thursday so phone call with'president'trump thursday so that is last thursday so that debate is ongoing — last thursday so that debate is ongoing. and the ongoing. and rightly the americans saying, hey, you how to a ceasefire and a ma i nt fa“7..a.;..'.:::..a.;:.a deal, maintaiuuasreasem - deal, . first - maint ' a rea ' - deal, first have peace deal, but first we have to - sure _ peace deal, but first we have to sure we get there to make sure that we get there and - are _ to make sure that we get there and are on but and they are right on that. but at the — and they are right on that. but at the same time we have do at the same time we have to do this in— at the same time we have to do this in parallel make sure this in parallel'to makesore i m_ this in parattelto ma' , - — stand we stand ready. the baltics have smiled _ we stand ready. the baltics have smiled - said - we stand ready. the baltics have smiled - said they l we stand ready. the baltics - have smiled - said they have neighbour. 7 a bad neighbour. 3? ifii times a bad neighbour. 3? ii—g—i times with a bad neighbour. 3? 1—77 - times with president many times with president trump, _ many times with president trump, we have worked for eight years— trump, we have worked for eight years together, for four years e7::: 777— -7 777— _: when he was present the first time — when he was present the first time and _ when he was present the first time and we in touch time and we stayed in touch when — time and we stayed in touch when he _ time and we stayed in touch when he was out of the presidency of we presidency and of course we have — presidency and of course we have now _ have now re—engaged very actively— have now re—engaged very actively and he is actively again and he is committed, as he said times, to article - times, to article five, l many times, to article five, and — many times, to article five, and nate, _ many times, to article five, and nato, so please let's gossiping about what the us or might not do. they are

might or might not do. they are in nato, — might or might not do. they are in nato, committed to nato, 7777777 77777 five, this committed to article five, this is what — committed to article five, this is what they consistently say, committed to article five, this is what ti pete nsistently say, committed to article five, this is what ti pete hegseth, say, committed to article five, this is what ti pete hegseth, the, including pete hegseth, the defence secretary and resident himsett— defence secretary and resident himself and — himself and others. inaudible this is a step-by-step - himself and others. inaudible this is a step-by~ the l - himself and others. inaudible this is a step-by~ the uk - himself and others. inaudible this is a step-by~ the uk and l approach clearly the uk. and — are takin- approach clearly the uk and — are takin- a lead. approach clearly the uk and - are taking a lead. thank so much. it is -ood - so much. it is good that. 2 so much. it is good that we you so much. it is good that we have _ you so much. it is good that we have this — you so much. it is good that we have this meeting. goodbye. mark rutte, secretary—general of nato. few really of hate antsy: really things to pull interesting things to pull out of what he said he of course that he and mentioned of course that he and donald trump are good friends. he said, because he a good he said, because he had a good relationship with in his relationship with him in his first term in office but when was out of office he in he was out of office he in touch with him and now he is talking to him again. mark rutte has sometimes been to as the trump referred to as the trump whisperer. he having ongoing whisperer. he ls baylngongoing us conversations with the us and he said of chatter around article that chatter around article five of nato, the mutual defence said stop 7 about

about because gossiping about that because the part nato. he also the us is part of nato. he also about a number of talked about a number of countries in there today saying they are going to 7777 777 77 7 77s77pen7ding. gpeering. we have their defence spending. we have not seen the detail or heard the detail of that yet, no doubt that will come. but of course that's something that europe very much europe is very much recognises needs to do and something it needs to db and semething the us it needs td dd end sdmething the us wants that the us president wants europe to do as well. let's in matthew savill, thank bring in matthew savill, thank you very much for your patience from the royal united services from: the royal united services mark rutte appearing institute. mark rutte appearing just as i was about to ask my institute. mark rutte appearing just question bout to ask my institute. mark rutte appearing just question if )ut to ask my institute. mark rutte appearing just question if you. i ask my institute. mark rutte appearing just question if you. i hope y institute. mark rutte appearing just questio to you.» hope y institute. mark rutte appearing just questio to hear» hope y institute. mark rutte appearing just questio to hear whate y institute. mark rutte appearing just questio to hear what mark was 7 was what was what did 5 was what did you of 5 what did you of his what did you j of his wha there? i make of his cdmr'nents there? like make of his cdmments there? like the leaders who sounds like the leaders who have assembled have been page assembled have been two gage assembled have been two things bsye assembled have been two things that are discussing twe things thateree” ,, m- ., we . e if both necessary if europe is going to force its way into the over the future of debate over the future of the first ukraine. the first is is h ukraine. the first is offer, is a

ukraine. the first is offer, both around european offer, both around numbers, ceasefire and peace deal and potentially military forces. the other is the thing underpins which 77 underpins which isf underpins which is; that underpins that which is a broader sense of european defence investment. and it needs to do that because first of all it needs to be more credible in the eyes of the us and president trump in but also because particular. but also because europe cannot increase investment in its own forces and support ukraine at the same it is = -5 and fact it 5 and fact it is j doing. and in fact it is doing. and in fact it is doing both, as probably doing bothfneither as as it would like. so well as it would like. and so improving the .____——:.size? feendations for edrdpe and ~ ~ ,, ,. ,, . .. defence are a fedndatiens for edreoe and ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ , ~ defence are a both necessary prerequisite, both for improving european security, but also for for improving european security, [30 : also for for improving european security,- for. for improving european security— for improving european security countries come european countries come forward and yes, we will and say. yes. we will increase defence that that our defence budget, that that might help the sort of in which president would be more to trump would be more likely to say that he

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z— 7 itasa it as a positive day described it as a positive day a positive saying are given ukraine theé that we are given ukraine the ability keep on fighting. ability to keep on fighting... ggiglgifty to keep on fighting... significant is that? we how significant is that? we don't know how long this process, this attempt to try to get to an end to the fighting take. 50 in the is geflngg ts tekef; sabin. the " ukraine is geflngg ts tetef; sabin. the " ukraine wants is ssfls’g ts sets; ss'in. ths " ukraine wants to is gsfls’g ts sets; ss'in. ths " ukraine wants to keep meantime, ukraine wants to keep itself in a strong position as du think 7 comment releve nt sis t'ninirthettsmment it relevant du thinkthatt- . was? it is a sign of political will it was? it is a sign of political will. it needs _ was? it is a sign of political will. it needs to - was? it is a sign of political will. it needs to be - was? it is a sign of political l will. it needs to be backed will bbt'ft'ne'eds'ts' be beskes something all up by something because all the supportive tweets in the world are no substitute for more ammunition, more artillery ammunition, more components for drones, more armoured europe armoured vehicles. europe cannot replace us support in the near it simply has the near term. it simply has not got the production capacity the hist fist tfis effis�*jfi'fifi esssafs the moment. set fist tss siss�*jfi'sfi esssafs the moment. but sst sst tss sssssssss'ssss’sifs the moment. �* at the moment. but if it can extend - long _ at the moment. but if it can extei auoin , lona 2. 22:2: at the moment. but if it can extei auoin , there 2. 22:2: i at least ne-otiations in i negotiations in ukraine's

but ' but i ' butido bu “hm but ] doithiniktisisiialil fevbbr. bet i do think. this ell that they fevber. bet i do think this ell that they can influence assumes that theycagnginfluence trump not president trems eie net negotiate a fair essentially negotiate a fair everybody�*s head cut some everybody�*s heed ensi'set ssme of everybody�*s heed end'set ssme of deal with russia —— kind of deal with russia —— negotiate over everybody�*s head. that is europe is trying to force its way back into the debate because this will - ..... .....,....-.- if effectively they fruitless if effectively they cut out. ,., fruitless if effectively they cut out. e, ,, ~ fruitless if effectively they cut out. i. ~ ., fruitless if effectively they cut out. ~ ., , ., cut out. do you n“. .- !.-.: -.. matthew? cut out. do you thjnthathel _ matthew? is - cut out. do you % _ matthew? is that serious risk us and e seriees risk thet the u5 end could negotiate over russia could negotiate over ukraine's and everyone else's i ukraine's and everyone else's heads? ! think the etsblest le——— .-. ~—————— the moment at the moment trump doesn't have patience. to be fair have much patience. to be fair i he want to stop i think he does want to stop the fighting and claim the credit for that. but what is credit for that. but what he is doing is trying to to doing is trying to rush to some sort of agreement. and putin ee play alongii play alongiaind because at the sound interested because at the moment what he is doing is making it sound like or seem like zelensky is the problem

likeggelgensky is the emblem zelensky wants terms are favourable. i , that are favourable. i757: what miaht that are favourableg . what might happef- that are favourableg . what might happen next l thieius : ii ithieiusand i the us and russia, give your sis ’ :* 1 f; us your thoughts. obviously we thought at one earlier thought at one point earlier week that this week thet presisshtf " was going to . toi e i toisigri a toisigria deal i toisigria deal on washington to sign a deal on minerals. and then vladimir putin, the russian president, saying we can also was sayi