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i am alexander ivanovich vishko, deputy chairman of the organizing committee for the creation of the democratic union party hello , elena slav and victoria popova are on the air, and alexander deshko is our guest. hello, i'm very glad to see you. you are not the first representative of the democratic union in our studio, we are always happy to communicate with you and listen to your point of view. ah. in a nutshell, for those who do not know yet, well, maybe not

watching our programs, but the demon union is an initiative that involves the creation of a party from those who did not support at first, power, but then changed his mind, that is, changed. strictly speaking, their point of view on a more constructive one, that is, an attempt to create a constructive position. i wonder why you changed your mind because it is clear that in the twentieth year you were on the other side. yes, i was at the headquarters of the central bank. that’s why i was tenacious, uh, i’ll say right away, because uh, firstly, it was probably one, the only one of the candidates of future future candidates who, in principle, was in power of some time. he was the us ambassador, he led the kw he, in principle. uh was close to the president, and i thought that this person would probably be a worthy candidate for the president, since he knows, in principle, uh, how power is arranged, how decisions are made

and it can be seen in connection with this i was. well, it was close to me, especially since he was from rodin and his friends asked for more, he says, pay attention, he says, if there is such an opportunity, help. than you can. well, what could i do to help? well, just some questions about security and everything else. well, this is the head of the security guard in front of the company's kamchal. it's just too loud. why because, first of all, uh, he was very, uh, amazing about security in general. he didn't understand it at all, what is it? to which he always waved his hand and, well, he was absolutely careless, then i myself waved my hand and more. i studied. it's okay in the office. here i looked so that they didn’t penetrate there. uh, outsiders who, again, could cause some damage and so on. that, in principle, is all. all my function, which was at that time for a political consultant. we

also guarded the putty at the beginning of our careers. well he was to me a presidential candidate, and now an android-like political figure. well, a question for you. what do you need politics for now here is the experience that i gained during the period, e of the election campaign. that's talking to people. we talked with andrey blankin test, in principle. that's when it's all uh, the company ended. it was already, probably, somewhere in the month of december. we met with him. eh, we got into a conversation and such a general idea came up flashed, what am i saying? look i say, we wanted to do something good, in principle for the country for the people. here, yes, we have a little bit. maybe a different look at all this, but something needs to move forward somehow and such an idea will be born to create. eh, demon, the union, and, uh, when we started, uh, this conversation, it was unambiguously

decided right away that we would act exclusively within the legal framework of our state. why because again, uh law. eh, elections, we studied it in principle, ideally. uh, the electoral code is ideal for legal political parties, it is normal. well, they found there, then small flaws, which we are now trying, uh, to change. yes , construction. the only thing he wants is a little. eh, well, to summarize. and i asked you, why did you change your mind and decided to go into some constructive position, and you continued to answer questions forever. talk about what. yes, you are from lanka well, let us explain, yes, this is the head of the initiative to create, or rather, the organizers of the party, but the demographic union and that is, you decided, uh, well, or something, how not to stop, but in this activity you were clinging to disappointed we will talk about some reasons, then for what reasons you decided to go into politics anyway. that is, i want to understand, what is your impulse that you wanted to be very useful to society, but you could, and , as a matter of fact, i don’t know,

start your own security agency, too, be useful to society at such a moment. for example, someone is not attracted to politics. and you were drawn. why did you start to create a party? eh, oh they wanted to. uh, to involve, uh, those faces of those citizens who, uh, voted against the president in these elections. that is, there was a big gap in the candidates, and so and so that these people, uh, well, roughly speaking, here, it was my thought, as a military man, did not fall under the bad influence. er, well, the original field is absolutely correct. and uh. they are essentially normal. people are sober. you assess the situation well. they have their own thoughts in their heads. and normal and we wanted to unite them all a little. so that they don’t run around, they didn’t shout in the yards with lags, there, uh, they baganba and everything else. well, because all this does not bring any results. now here's a good one abstracts in the program. uh, there are separate

blocks of economic blocks, there is a political block. uh, well, something like that, and uh, we have our own vision, for example, on the same economic issues. well, we are a little different from the economic process that is going on now, because we want to improve and increase it a little bit, for example, social assistance. eh, we know. e. how to do it? perhaps? here again, but this is necessary in order, it is necessary to do this to create your own party once. eh, so that he interferes. forgive me for interrupting you, just to be clear in thesis, what prevents you from creating your own party today. kohl is good for us. now, if we are still recruiting 1,000 founding members in accordance with the law on party activity, but this is the required number, the required number for registration, and we are

recruiting people, uh, who come on their own, who know about us . uh, through someone these are the people who really want to convey their aspirations, like me i speak the aspirations of the people. and so they can be heard. it would be easy to recruit some students there, some other ones out there, promising them some money and everything else, but it's dead souls. uh, and the party must be alive. that is, you haven’t gathered 1,000 of these people for another year and we don’t have any more. uh, while uh such an uh, sharp target. that's it here today and make a thousand. no, it should be 5,000 founders, who will actually work later, and around whom the party will grow in the regions in the future, a maybe alexander this suggests that people do not need your party your views. and not

only yours. i know there is a problem of this kind, many initiatives no one can, especially collect. it hasn't come to you yet, first of all, many people have it. e. after the twentieth year, there are some fears in my soul for myself there for my career and so on. well, you can't get away from it. here it is, uh, what it is. uh, people prefer to keep their heads down somehow . come on, i say, we are not in a hurry, we do not shove anyone. uh man must himself make a decision for yourself. that's how i made the decision and started moving who i would like to see party party. i would like to see, firstly, decent honest thinking patriots of belarusians, who are not indifferent to the fate of the country. who would not want to see, probably these are negative people who do not like our country, who want to derive some personal benefit from what they are trying to do here. i want good people to

surround our party here, well, if we talk about the committee, a safe enough place to express our views, because everything very well, as if law within the law how do you say legal, uh, look, there was an organizing committee, including, as i understand it, not only the demon of the union but it, as it were, could have been appropriated. maybe it was a general idea among the cdu, but an attempt to free citizens who are in places of detention for v. in general, well, some ordinary crimes related to the violation of public order. and it seems to me, well, as i follow your activities, the initiative has bogged down and moreover, now we are seeing some new repentance of people, who are there in july of the twentieth year, wrote something on facebook, that is, the process continues. that is, it turns out something like this. well, in general, well, it didn’t work out. yes , as a look, why not? in my opinion? it worked out normally. look after all. uh, more than twenty people have been sparing baths and

are at large. it was already much more than 20 people. the list is understandable, but uh, it is as it is. it's even if one person, it's already good, who returned. more than 20 people have come to the family and to whom more than 20 people have come to the family work continues lists are compiled and sent to the authorities, and so on. well, again, you will understand that, let's say the pardon commission, but ours does not sit every day. it could be that the problem is that people don't want to, uh, don't feel guilty about asking. this is purely their questions, they want to return to the family, they do not want the initiative to continue. she will gradually pick up her momentum. and in general, she did not stare blankly anywhere. what letters come in every day. and there is a constant work going on and widely discussed. today, the death penalty for attempted terrorist attack, how the land the union relates to this is difficult to say, as they say to this, why.

because we did not discuss this topic, uh, at the level of my aunt and in general with the founders, but i will tell you my subjective point of view. on the change in legislation, i read the articles that were introduced. there are quite serious articles and an attempted terrorist attack with the use of nuclear substances, chemicals , bacteriological substances there - this is so much in our time. dangerous and serious that i'm sorry, it's necessary that the one who prepares this everything. he knew what would happen to him. why because that is the damage that he will cause. eh, he will be irreparable for our country and for the neighbors surrounding us . let him calculate, well, let him know what a death will be for him. execution. it somehow stops the one, as if they would stop. but it seems to me, you know, on the contrary, but

there is such a moment, you know, when, if there is nothing to lose, then for god's sake, you can already not only uh, well, try. excuse drunken eyes to unscrew the nut on the rails. yes let's say. so, in general, in principle, these are performers in the main. yes, we have customers. we know so far not installed are outside our country and so on. and if , well, there is absolutely nothing to lose, i don’t care, well, as if anyway, a person has already done this and he will still be offered such a moment. well, you understand, there is an article, by the way, in those articles it is clearly defined there. uh, the list for what will be, uh, the death penalty is there for a nut. uh, don't be afraid, well, it's clear your point of view is that this is a measure it is restrained uh to secure, though so yeah, that's a plus, of course, the work of the relevant intelligence agency to prevent all this. interestingly, a split. i know happened in your ranks. uh, hmm i understand that this was primarily due

to the events that began in ukraine on february 24th. and you supported the special operation, you support it. i would like to understand why there was no split, as such. just a vision , uh, of the events in ukraine, they uh, became diametrically opposite, but again , no one began to fight each other out of this. they just split up and that's it. and as i say, each has its own war. no, just people came out. from uh set up, then, of course for god's sake, we didn't do anyone. i don't think there's a lot of discussion there, anyway it was here look it was very well done that the pussy was posted on the site where uh basically. we spoke in favor of an oh, peace settlement. e of this process. uh-huh that's how it just started. yes, some peaceful dialogues went on there. uh, negotiations, belarus

participated, as if within the framework. uh, good meeting rooms. well, something didn't work. here, well it is clear. we now know why not it came from whose submission this peace process did not go, the negotiation process was going on on the territory of belarus, russians and ukrainians came and talked. well, says something did not go the process was already after the start. yes? i'm interested in the date. there are two fourths in your life . they went out happy. you said immediately told sasha, well, you hear, this is how the story began. oh my god, finally, or what happened? why because it was so fate that i have relatives from lugansk with them, i knew the situation that, uh, happens every day in the donbass. so i believe that, uh, the special operation is a forced measure of the russian federation . an absolutely forced measure, uh, which is the

result of what could not be solved. uh, everything, uh, all these questions peacefully, that is, in the minsk agreements that were in 8 years they were not, none of them were fulfilled, there were no changes to the ukrainian constitution with them the federal status of these two republics, and so on, and the geneva bombs on for eight years, everyone has been silent about this. why couldn't they just keep quiet about it? russia was not silent russia told everyone the west was silent. he did not notice all this, that's why i started the special operation. yes, that was my pure subjective opinion. i said, yes, that's right, more than three months have passed today. what will you say now right wrong whether you expected such a development of events, what sources the children came out for the development of the situation, i will say from different sources. television belarusian and russian television telegram channels here is but

again, uh, talking with their relatives who live there in the lugansk people's republic now uh, they sighed calmly. they said, it's a blessing that russia has come, that we now have a world of order, something that always worries me, then, especially the argument includes the phrase, where were you for 8 years, i'll tell you where it was 8 years. i carefully sat behind this conflict and did not understand. why is calculated not included, but we were not interfered with for a long time, that this is an internal ukrainian conflict and russia was not there. that is, it was not. ta the story, as with crimea, yes, that is, although, i ’m sure that your relatives and the guys from lugansk and donetsk could also support there by referendum, probably, perhaps, i’m an amateur in this matter, this problem should have been solved a long time ago. i'm purely indignant, maybe in some way - such people are not at all like a specialist. please explain to me what i'm wrong about. are they really

right that it was necessary to stop all this in lugansk donetsk long ago and then deal with it, demilitarization there, where there is civilization, and so on. and so it turns out, no it was nadezhda that all this could eventually be settled by implementing the minsk agreements, but here i want to note the following: if the special operation had not started on that date, then literally on the next or there in a day or two. eh, it would. i hope it is a massive strong blow to donetsk to luhansk. that's where there would be a colossal number of victims, including among russian citizens who at one time received citizenship over these 8 years. there, almost the majority of russian citizens are was a necessary measure. and putin went for it in order, first of all, to protect as much as possible, uh, the citizens of the russian federation who are pressed there peacefully to resolve the issue was nadezhda

, who, in principle, died died. yes , because they rely so much on intelligence that a blow will be struck precisely on donetsk and your relatives that you are telling you now, they do not find that the special operation somehow dragged on, like many belarusian political scientists. today they are going according to plan. as i understand, what is the least amount of damage that can be done? uh, well, to the civilians of ukraine. so, if possible, cause as much damage as possible to the military forces, and it is, uh, over the battalion, which is practically fascistized on the territory of ukraine, and yet about your relatives, what do they say they are. well, probably already very tired after 8 years. and maybe euphoria - this is already subsiding a little, because after all, 3 months is not clear. in which direction e. well, because the messages are different

people have hope. it is most important. how much time you know the plans. take away, you say, follow from different ones. well, analyze the year there. no i don't think so. i think it may be closer to the middle of autumn. this will all end. well, i guess from what you draw such a conclusion? see more? what a story, i also follow information from various sources. i see some kind of reproach towards belarus, including even belarusian political scientists or representatives of the belarusian authorities, that, well, in the sense of how it is, what are you saying, the operation dragged on. need in the one impulse to scream anyway. uh, forward for russia and so on. otherwise, you are not partners or allies. how do you feel about this point of view? what hmm uh? well, it seems that belarus is not involved in this conflict. yes, but, nevertheless , our closest ally to the military, including a partner. e. well, something like you, they say until autumn, and maybe longer. yes, that's all the stories. well, as far as i know, all these

calls are blogged and we do not hear them officially. okay, i discuss. uh, some emotional cries, but no. there is about power. well, as if among the sequence also a point of view about what might be worth somehow well. to this topic, the side does not express any specific point of view about what dragged on there, well, that is, either negatively or too positively, as you think, it is worth being carried on. well, how should belarusians relate to this story in general, because the story, it seems, is not ours, it seems to be somehow. well, until the fie touched us or touched us, how should belarusians treat this situation? and anyone could even here from e? belorusov, in general, could project this the situation on ours on our country, so that it could be here, if in the twentieth year, in the elections, tikhanovskaya won, let 's take my forecast, here it was, now here we are the

forecast. it's pretty clear here. if the western secret services trampled on our earth, they would unequivocally remove all the monuments here. there would have been rampant anarchy and tikhonovism at first, as i say. here it would, then, and it would immediately start to happen here scary, the same natsiks from ukraine would come. wait, they didn’t register to choose from. do you think that instantly everything would be decided in favor of, uh, nazification unequivocally, it would be uh, that is, belarus would suffer. ah, massive damage. and it could happen so quickly. why not? just look at what troops were concentrated on the territory of poland and how close to the border. what kind of troops were concentrated on the e, lithuanian direction , exercises were carried out, demonstrative exercises are not

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this is, well, let's say the power unit of the border troops. yes, in which you served, i understand correctly. ah, that is, in order to understand you a little bit, you would come across armed content during your service, would engage in knowledge, in in principle, you are a person, well, experienced with weapons familiar. tell us a little about this service in general. what are you doing there? firstly, you get to asan and twice had the good fortune to serve under the command of such wonderful people as rachkovskaya gary anatolyevich kadatsky alexey yuryevich indeed, these are professionals, these are people with a capital letter, to whom i am generally grateful to anyone . service amazing interesting lived on it went with great pleasure did not want to go home. the noblemen worked

a dangerous service. they are human traffickers illegal migration smuggling of drugs and weapons and so on. yes, you had to participate in such operations. and how often does it seem to me that this is something out of the ordinary or not? the fact is that you understand that, uh, this is a service, in general, the border guard service. she daily daily detention, along the entire border there are daily. uh, some operations and so on. it's just, uh, well, it's not on display. well, somehow it was established that they detained, detained, reported upstairs, reported everything, as it were, yes. just such a legend of the secret border this is something like this, but in fact, uh, almost here in my service you yourself uh. we left on monday and returned. well closer to the weekend and almost every week. we detained

someone, criminal cases were initiated against someone. no, this is what they are doing, and he himself is engaged in organized crime on the border of half his life. i gave the programs to the troops of the border service. these are the golden years of my life. and uh, i served with wonderful people as border guards who surrounded me and therefore, the border brotherhood is help, mutual assistance, support for each other, both during the service, and after the service already, being on a well-deserved pension. today we have a lot of them. or maybe we don’t know fakes, maybe there isn’t any that there is already a dangerous situation on the ukrainian side near our borders. you tell us how this border is arranged and whether we should worry, there may always be a danger from the border of ukraine in relation to the belarusian danger, well, in my time, when i serve, this, uh, the border was.

uh, she just, in my opinion, passed where marking delimitation then. either it was already ending at that time, here, somewhere, somewhere like that, well, at the moment i believe that there is such a concept. uh, the most probable movement of the nvdng border trespasser, the so -called here on these most probable ones. uh, the most likely movement is violating boundaries. there, most likely, at the moment it is already, uh, equipped with some kind of engineering structures. there are certain sensors and so on, in theory. yes, why because starting here in the fourteenth year. i think there's always been an escalation at the border uh, the current situation. here is a recent performance. e of the secretary of the security council that even, reconnaissance and sabotage groups sometimes even enter our territory, and this already causes some anxiety. if sometimes

they are created to enter our territory. they made a mistake and we don’t know the address, what tasks they have, but uh, in any case, the border guards will always stop these you, well, encroachments. i understand you, well, is it right, uh, i'm talking about the fact that the borders with ukraine, uh, a little conditional, especially in the chernobyl zone. no, it's clearly marked and everywhere and uh. it is protected in accordance with the charter. uh-huh. just used to often communicate with the frontier grandfather. time, read about the fact that some lovers of savages wandered there, then other lovers of savages, then somewhere they buried fat, then some tights there, then loads there. well, it was always such a job. well, a little, well, with humor. yes, because well, what, there, can be happening on the ukrainian border? yet they still go back and forth, as to there were no issues at home. well , they don't really go back and forth. uh, in any case, the violation is stopped and uh, well, at

the moment, administrative responsibility has been introduced for violation of the border. here before. this is my life as well. it was the criminal responsibility of the supports, in your opinion. this is how poland builds fences now. it solves some problems. or is it a trick to treat. it will solve absolutely nothing. look how in america they built a huge wall there. and that from this migration has decreased? of course not, it's just me i think that this is simply luring money into the european union a. accordingly, it comes later. uh, to strengthen our security at the border accordingly - what can we do? well, not build a fence. what to do? yes, she is well protected. there is no need to increase it further. if there is some kind of uh, well, i'll tell you this, if there is some kind of tension, some kind of threat there and so on, then in any case, it will intensify. there is a concept of strengthening the protection of the state border. it can be

reinforced, as well as by internal troops, as well as there it was assembled by riot police and so on, some specific areas can be strengthened by this human one. well, these are people. yes, these are groups reinforced with weapons. this is more people at the border, of course, i will ask a question so that you can simply explain. eh, because the question is you are really televised. i mean, like now, uh, i 'll show you how artillery works. and that's just teaching. yes, that is, the technology of its time of war. this is what it looks like, let's see. south, 333 fire ki

well, relatively speaking, this is what war looks like. today, at our borders, frankly, it works, and artillery, and it seems like all these moments with the border guards. yes, no matter how many people are there, when, uh, artillery fire is fired, in general, everything is already useless, but you said about the degraded group, which, that is, it turns out that some preventive measures now depend on the border guards, and you said, that it is possible for saboteurs to penetrate our territory, what can they do now, because now well, god forbid, it’s not great, patriotic yes, when it was possible to cut the cable, there’s something else there. well, we know the whole story. yes, samples - brandenburg, 800 and so on, what are saboteurs with themselves now what can we be afraid of, we need to understand, eh? what's going on in the neighbourhood, and this, uh, again, it works, like the border intelligence and military intelligence. what are the challenges ahead? uh, those

units that are deployed directly at our borders, and so on. and uh, based on this, you need to understand what kind of threat can be coming from them. after all, look at ukraine, uh, all the facts that have already been revealed that existed there and still somewhere. there, perhaps, still exists, or before the stage of closing the laboratory of biological weapons, which prevents the test tube from being brought to be sprayed in the same water and somewhere else in some. well, that is, you need to understand what tasks alexander faces before you can ask for a test tube and send it by mail along the way. and why well , because everything works well for us, right? well okay this way. i do not beg in any way, of course, military intelligence did not work, no intelligence, not border guards, but harmful i try to understand why we are preparing. uh, they are talking about what is possible, uh, a threat from the ukrainian side to shelling or here is really some kind of on the spot. i don't know

terrorist attack. well, i don’t really understand all this history, that is, our, uh, law enforcement agencies. you have to be ready for anything and they are ready now. they are well prepared in case of some kind of challenge. i think we are able to answer accordingly . as yuri khadzhimuratovich explained to us - it's good, lena is working. well, okay. well, you understand the question of what, uh, in principle, you evaluate in some way. how much of a threat is belarus drawn into this hot hot stage of the conflict. it's hard to say, but what does chuyka say? well, i think that attempts will still be made by the ukrainian side, as well as by the polish side. why because most likely in the plans of america and the single-sucking world in general. this is, uh, to infringe on russia as much as possible in all its uh, from all sides, including dragging

the conflict into belarus in the hope that here, perhaps, because, uh, it will suddenly stir up some kind of fifth column. and then the same thing will begin, that in ukraine there is no such thing, there will be no war here, you never want to, but uh, there are such moments. e in life in the fate of the country, when it is necessary to take up arms to go to defend and, if necessary, then give our lives, probably, for this we first swore an oath to the soviet union and then to the republic of belarus, journalists who worked on the border in february during the migration crisis. they believed that this was also, among other things, the beginning of those events that we we are experiencing. now you have participated in the activity there, the forces in the work with the refugee. and what do you think about this situation, do you think it's the beginning? special operations or , uh, what was the informational agenda, then

i is it different from the one that we are experiencing our first, probably such a message to myself and published it was the very first thing i would do on facebook and called it. i just don't know which country. so i wrote about the fact that i don’t know such a country where i would go, uh, the usa with its democracy, and so on and so on and there paradise on earth has come, we all know that there is a difficult situation in the middle east, refugees and so on. how did someone exacerbate this situation with refugees? this is purely my subjective opinion, but i think you will understand it. uh, the secret services use their diasporas, which are under their control, what they do is call relatives, finance their visits and that's it. the rest of the people did not come here to stay in belarus. but to go to europe for what? in order to allegedly

live well there, but the command is given first, it's all gone to lithuania that is the first streams. the lithuanians went to lithuania, began to restrain them, that is, not to accept them. he demands money. from the european union to strengthening the border and so on. sitting here. poland looks at lithuanians and thinks, ha, we have so many problems with judges who are pregnant with gays, for which we constantly pay some kind of incomprehensible fines . and now, you understand, such a terrible precedent has been created, when the flow goes, to which those people are some kind of those people, we don’t we can refuse to fly. there is no reason to refuse, and at the same time, they want to leave in accordance with international standards, declaring their refugee status at the border, and so on, they are not accepted well, then we lose

sight of those in this chain who provoke them to moved removed from the place, that is, those people who organized these diasporas and paid money for their movement. how do they react to it, that is. here they put a block dam. yes, you are talking more and lithuania, for starters , a situation has arisen. but she understand formed and stop, the machine is of no use. it didn't develop for a very few months. because i got what i wanted from this situation. that is, she began to receive money from the european union, they did not need these at all, they needed grants, a crisis on the border was provoked so that the european union would forget about their problems, for which the poles had to pay every day. the main goal is to create a migration crisis in belarus, in principle, at the initial stage, they succeeded, but at the initial stage, they allegedly succeeded, but under this case. they also

pulled a lot of money from the european union. and let them say it again, poland had something else that everyone forgot about those problems. with which the european union approached them and for which poland paid a million euros every day. that is, it was all stopped, i agree, with you, alexander still wants to again, uh, to return not only to war, to war or a special operation. in general, to such a story, when some kind of unification is required yes within the framework. uh, i think martin luther king said that all we'll remember in the end - it is not uh the words of our enemies default to our friends in this regard. uh, there are views of this kind that, uh, we all slavic peoples should unite a little immediately, maybe in, and not in favor of our identity , unite around russia and, uh, move by leaps and bounds into some kind of common russian union. i heard from your colleagues that you, in principle,

somewhere you share this point of view, because you really like e moments of a certain power of the union of the ussr empire and so on, but share your point of view. the soviet union is of course, it was a good power by and large . it was easy to live here, i say. daily life it was e for people. it was normal. they got free apartments. they got free education. social security was decent, in principle, here are the memories that i have from the soviet union that belarus will become part of the russian federation within the framework of the union state within the euroses e, csto and be part of russia what do you think, i think not. and even such conversations at the highest level do not take place, and even no rumors

fly that some issues can be discussed there. you know for me somehow. here, maybe it flies a little modified. i hear about what needs to be returned to london and the ukrainian people are our big slavic family. and it seems like we are going all the way, like the union and the state too. well , the slavs should unite with the center in russia as a spiritual one. well i guess it not bad, but in any case, we should not lose our, uh, belarusian identity. why because we have our own country? in principle, for uh so many years, uh, being independent, we uh also achieved something good by and large, our economy, uh, has more or less gone nowhere. uh, i think so, but the fact that, let's say unite around russia, uh, is spiritual. yes, why not for the special operation of the ussr strongly, prosperous belarus, including by itself, but also spiritual unity with russia. that's the program.

let's take a moment. let's break remind us there is a telegram channel. say be quiet, where can you ask questions? leave your comments. see you soon. on the air again , say the program, do not be silent at a party. we have alexander deshko alexander and as far as i know, that, in principle, is the program of your party. it is written on your site at the top how it sounds so strong, belarus is strong, belarus or some other adjective there. here. well , if belarus is happy in itself as a citizen, then the country is also happy, that is , somehow you set it up like this, but nevertheless. and here we are after e how much more, right? or how many 2 years have passed since the company, we are all in some other split state. i wonder if you communicate with those colleagues who remained under the other side of the barricades, because more and more often i hear disappointment. it’s just that the wild leaders of the protest,

including svetlana tikhonovskaya, were already circulating there, because , as always, everything rested on the fact that on the day of money posts. the skins of an unkilled bear and so on. please tell us how, under these conditions, when some people are in in a depressed state abroad to build some kind, well, somehow create a happy belarusian and a happy country. we will start with the fact that they themselves went there, most of it is incomprehensible. why and for what? well, apparently there were some good reasons and so on. but it was with him. they were afraid in the twentieth year. we wanted some kind of change there. that's it, again , it won't work out any other way. you are in our country, but to go within the legal field, there is no other way. we look what e is doing now. eh, valery certain at a certain moment. why me in general, he was disappointed in his circle of friends.

they also organize a certain union of democratic forces hold a forum in warsaw and a type of dm force - it is you who understand the view, as you always respect. why am i disappointed in him? well, maybe i'm alone, first of all. uh, an incomprehensible relationship has already begun. the moment of the beginning of the election campaign, when he , being a certified diplomat, allowed himself to, uh, say, uh, negatively, moreover, personal personal in relation to the president, and so on. i me it's just surprised. how did it happen? what is it for? on the contrary, you should talk about your program there about what you want to change and so on. and here is some kind, so she is incomprehensible to a rag. that's when it started to touch me a little. then, when it was all over. he left, for no

apparent reason, some incomprehensible fundraising began in order for one of the security forces to arrest lukashenko here. well, again, well, delirium of power, as it was, well, this is completely a crime. he has committed a crime. he doesn't stopped before, but went further. he is the same terrorist attack that occurred during the arrest. uh, when was the alpha employee killed? he also said that this is how every belarusian should act . well, like terrorism, so that everyone was given a task and went to kill someone, but it's generally absurd that you become with him, and you become a guard when he is a system candidate, and today he is, well, an extremist, well, it turns out, yes, a behold, when this change took place with him. i cant understand when he went there, and when he really became a target for e certain special services. why because in any case,

such people are of such roughly speaking flight. they do not remain without a curator in the relevant, i suppose, because i am so familiar with the activities of the special services, for sure he is under the wing and for sure. he fulfills someone's order in any way. why? because he actually needs to live there, eat, rent a house, and so on, if only i asked tsekalo . i don't i accidentally asked you about the fact that some of the people there are depressed, because hmm, in addition to the disappointment of outright rudeness in their relationship, which the protest leader allows himself. uh, well, to those who, in their opinion, are only ready to beg for money, from these structures there, which somehow manage cash desks, from this side. there's also pressure about only crawling on your knees, and all this rhetoric, it's so fair when it's possible, wait when it's human. says he calls everyone shoot belarusians. uh, employees. they

say now procycle. i'm talking about all the rest of those who are already disappointed there, but do not want to crawl here either. i would like to hear your point of view about these people will come all torn. well, why break apart, everyone makes a decision for himself, if he wants to return, but let him return well, we have returned ilya the runner, who was also related to your, uh, headquarters. yes, as far as i understand, roman protoseevich returned to us, and the role he still plays. well , i personally didn't know. can she tell you if make up your mind, well, well, as if conditionally speaking, uh, how do we get these people back, as i understand that you are in favor of dialogue, that's why i'm asking. it seems to me about tasevich. returned justice to the dialogue. it is possible or everything is already possible. it is always possible, in your opinion, it can build, because i know that you are very dialogue with the authorities. somehow they somehow listen to us, somehow they accept us, and then we try to build a dialogue, but they don’t hear us at all, they do

n’t want to, probably they don’t want to hear, because they don’t need us. of course they don't need us either. need not. uh, a normal developing calm belarusian. and i thought that in the time that has passed after the company, there is already so much disappointment there that they also turn to you with questions. what can guys do, especially in the legal field , maybe, well, or contacts are generally excluded from those contacts of your former colleagues. uh , even as far as i remember, uh, they tried to get uh, no ugly individuals into a video conference to talk these things over with them. but people just refused. apparently they didn't get the right approval, some questions were prepared in advance for discussion, so that people would also be prepared. well, you can see that the topic that was interesting to us is free, belarus is

developing, belarus is some kind of economic issues that naturally had to be raised and discussed. they were not interested in it; most likely, it would be interesting to run with flags. there, in the yards, write all sorts of appeals on the walls and so on. what can you say about what has happened in these 2 years? how far have we come at first was euphoria oh now split. well, let's walk towards each other. let's unite, but it turns out with the further, as it seems to me, the further, the deeper and deeper and deeper this ravine is and stands still. uh, she uh, every day. maybe it's some adjustments. here, uh, nothing foretold. but once again, a special operation in ukraine, again, some uh, some other moments. what about walking far? i have a sister. uh, my dear eldest lives in warsaw, it so happened that she came to her mother's funeral and it came to such a very tough conversation. then he said. wait i say

we have a completely different reason to say, and your position is incomprehensible. this is my position. i say, everyone has their own war, everything, the topic was closed, but they were on the verge of such a very serious one, this is a family. and what to say about e others what to do? again, there is such a good concept of belarusian torpor, one must take a position to understand, firstly, to understand the position of everyone. here and uh, take it out, i guess. some normal such benefit, mutual benefit , so that in the end there would be no such confrontation in society, why are we creating our party in order to avoid this tension of confrontation as much as possible, so that as many people as possible who want to change something, i say, unite and accept some. ah, conditions. eh, they wrote some abstracts in their program, everything was discussed in a normal way, they were discussed in a normal way, well, as i run, i talk from house to house. well

, i agree. i am very, uh, glad that you have, uh, a very respectful tone towards all participants in a possible dialogue or, uh, some kind of round table, where are we going to go? thank you very much alexander was very nice to chat with you. i hope that the democratic union has everything ahead and the party. your all-??? will organize on the sly and organizes. thank you. and we, yaroslav and victoria popova, say goodbye to you today, goodbye, because our program is completed, as a rule, by a guest, so now alexander deshko is speaking. it so happened that our program will be released on the eve of the day of the border guard in connection with this. i want to congratulate you from the bottom of my heart. e veterans of the border troops veterans of the border service. i want their family members congratulate uh, acting border guards who are currently guarding the state border. i have such a

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