the older daughter works as a doctor in the ivanovo region. less and studies at the faculty of biology as a biologist. so everything has to do with nature. this is where i grew up. was born about the porcini mushroom everything, it was planted forest crops previously here. at the present time

is shorter and to take into account it, this forest is my wonderful forest, of course, in general, otherwise, after all, i accidentally string it, and for nature, the birth of a person and a leaf can be equivalent. i was generally drawn closer to nature. that is , it turns out how angry polissya did not always pull back to my homeland, all my roots are from here, and by my wife lines, they are all here i am tied to this earth

i am pyotr petrovsky a political scientist will teach an employee of the institute of philosophy of the national academy of sciences we will probably talk about many things but the death of the loss of a close enough person daria dugina about political and immoral terrorism about the bacchanal that exists in the world about the crisis west and why the belarusian civil society should be proactive, creative and have autonomy?

hello, you are watching the program of distortions be silent in the studio of victoria popova and tatiana shcherbina and away. today we have political scientist pyotr petrovsky good afternoon. good afternoon, peter of sad news has died. even daria dugina died, and you knew platonova with her. well , what else can i say, but, unfortunately, we cannot express sympathy to you. but tell me, how are you in general, what thoughts do you have today about what happened? look, i met alexander dugin in general, somewhere, probably, in the year 2009 i will be there now at a conference of the sociological faculty of moscow state university . i met daria dugin. later somewhere in year twelve. she should have been,

in my opinion, only 19 years old, then we corresponded with her, and the saddest thing is that she wanted to come to belarus this summer, everything did not work out. we agreed on the fall, but it turned out it was not destined to be. in general , this is a terrorist act, it is quite symbolic for me, and you understand what 's the matter? i can even imagine who in ukraine, from the former associates of oleksandr dubin , had such an idea. we see that this is connected with the regiment. azov, i'm not surprised there, because alexander dugina had such an idea to reforge bandera, back in the 2000s , by the way, with the leadership of the ideological leadership of regiments. i met back in the ninth year. he did not even know the conference. well, no one knew, probably, what they would be like. but where are they after

the fourteenth year. what will they become. and the worst thing is that look e is not an official, not some kind of civil servant, but they took a person. uh, hmm ex actually. eh, we read our teacher's daughter. yes, why is this, on the one hand, personal revenge, on the other hand, how mr. korchinsky, right in his stream, also once at one time dugin’s associates, e.g., leftist years, said that it’s me in which you envy him. it's a certain kind of jealousy. well, let's be direct. that's who these students are ideologues, only azov, how many books they wrote, they talked there with kisenger with fukuyama from the great e, debate. henri levy with, uh, the main philosophers thinkers of the west yes, they did not

communicate and did not translate in the book, moreover, i can name the ideologue of the hmm regiment. azov a. lena semenyaka. uh, she made a certain scandal at one time when went, either for an internship, or for postgraduate studies in austria, and everyone found out that she was a neo-nazi and she was asked to leave austria or a tester. these are, uh, such feelings, when you know, who practically guesses would not say you know, but they made the decision, the same arrest officer sat with dugin in 2,000, in my opinion, the fifth sixth years at the same table and broadcasted what a disgusting west, and he's close to making a decision. he is a narcissist, we see it, he is, uh, despite his distant incompetence in military matters. yes, he is saying something. says propagandizes hmm and i think they were

jealous, because he's not putin's ideologue as some paint him. this is complete nonsense. he is more free. we can calculate its product. especially somewhere in the last 15-14 years. by the way, in the fourteenth year he fell into disgrace, he left the sociological faculty of moscow state university precisely for his tougher position. and he criticized the leadership of russia that it did not then solve ukrainian issues, that this banderaism would grow there, neo at the same table and approximately imagined. in what direction it would develop, he understood that it was impossible to agree with them, that he was trying. he is the same, that his logic is very simple. here is your bandera. you are against, uh, the liberalism of the collective west of their values. well, against we are also against then. let's cooperate. you will have an independent ukraine, it will be in the

eurasian union, everything will be great. everything will be fine. it turned out that not everything is so simple why he let's remember who the bandera people are, they are not independent people. it there have always been people on uh, hmm, working for western intelligence agencies. and now they are working. they killed dugin, among other things, because dugin is better known, in the west than in russia itself, in russia itself, this is a man. a meme for the majority of the population they wanted it for themselves. well, how to make your claim, and he, uh, convinced them of the image, and in this process, ukraine knows even less of the biological about him, mmm, he knows about him. here is a small circle of uh who went to his conferences, who communicated with him and for which he means. and here they are by themselves with their decision. they gave out the whole chain. here is my personal feeling and my opinion, your opinion that the

goal was dugin, of course, my opinion is that the goal, uh, could be not only dasha’s arc, because uh, look, the family is traveling in the same car. it was by chance that dugin was transferred from this car by the one who blew up translated, uh, into a dental device into action. and he knew that she knew that dugin was not in the car, but the decision was made anyway. we don't know, knew or didn't know, because there now many versions had two people in the car, one person in the car. i think there was some logic there. next inflict, irreparable. that's the damage. he was inflicted. understand when you become a victim is one thing, when your children become a victim. this is a completely different result is obtained here, i do not know what alexander gelievich. now in the shower. dasha, she mastered the french language perfectly and knew the political situation in france very well. uh,

knew a certain political circles in france . hmm, studied ancient greek philosophy. yes she was only 29 years old. and she has great prospects. she was just starting to open up. yes, i agree, this is alexander gelevich already. as they say, everything that, well, the vast majority of everything that he could write and express his formed worldview. yes, and hmm, he already knew him and knows, probably, that if such a fate befalls him, then after him there will be tamai, his books, and for a philosopher for a thinker, hmm, it is an idea, it is not killed, but it cannot be. eh, what is written with a pen? you can't cut it down with an axe. i would also like to note here that many opponents write that she was just an application, voiced the thoughts of the assessment, not at all

so daria was a completely independent personality and was completely engaged. as you said with other questions, she was more concerned about the conflict of civilization. she developed in that direction. yes, she generally took the pseudonym platonov because she was engaged in the neo-platonism of ancient greece on the one hand on the other hand. and how can we judge a person at the age of 29 and say that she is there appendix, uh arcs, well, let's take the classical philosophers that alexander or else loves very much and see where he is. here is martin haida, 29 years old, he wrote a dissertation on phenomenology for his teacher. and if god forbid martin heider at 29 years old. such a fate befell and i can say, well, you are an attachment to your teacher guserl or karl marx, you are an attachment to hegel, because he was then

young to the hegelians, if we remember karl marx, that is, at 29 years old, you cannot judge a person, especially a thinker deserves special mention comments political opponents. yes and uh, even under your post and her death. that is, they write absolutely wild things. excellent, even better than if you fried dugin himself well, and so on and so forth, we will no longer voice. this is peter, who are these people, when i saw, i realized that, uh, comrade suckerberg or mr. zuckerberg, i don’t know what to call him, his system works very well for various kinds of bots. i looked at all the pictures of everyone and the page. this is purely bota farm, which ran into my page. and after that i closed my post for non-friends and all of a sudden it's perfect. uh-huh that is, this is one of the indicators, the second point. there were some of our positioners who i don’t know, runaways

, not runaways, but this is their essence, that is , logic for them. ah. such a stealthy struggle is normal, when these positioners worked there, i don’t know the academy of sciences, they scribbled at me there, you are such a bastard, well, listen, and onanimka. so you take write your first name last name. what don't you like? let's debate. they can't make any arguments. no, because they unfortunately, this must be acknowledged. uh, they don't profess the ideology of liberalism. so they say, yes, and propaganda is some kind of hard-hitting, these propagandistic tampas, which they themselves do not understand, they relay, but they do not understand them. uh, that 's why they get pissed off like that, because their level is not the level of dugin and bernard levy in their discussion. they know that they

will never be invited to the west or to the east no one will discuss with them, they are not of intellectual significance and er in this respect. of course you can agree alexander gelich. you can disagree, i can immediately say that he had a strong enough influence on me, e . uh, probably students, because i read student years. e for general knowledge e for general outlook in order to have a methodological lip, no base and probably dugin when there was a trend i recall the years of the trend of human rights. uh, democracy is liberalism, which aroused my sympathy for the fact that he did not go along this trend did not begin to take western grants to print these books, which

the former leaders are not leaders, the ideologists of the central committee of the cpsu began to draw everything from repainted to liberals began to print. no, he began to criticize. he was not trendy. he has always been a nonconformist in this regard. even when he later supported both putin and the authorities, that is, he was of a certain dialectical importance for russian public thought, because in any society there is a contradiction everywhere, but where do children come from clichés opponents, well, a piece breaks out to kill, kill and kill, yes, and spread like a fan across all telegram channels. look who dugin is. and what do you say to a friend who will read these books, besides them , those who need it will read them. and those who read memes or slogans taken out of context, they will read the slogans. unfortunately, there are leading all led by this fact and uh. uh, a

critically thinking person will immediately look and say so. and what is it all quotes him, he is like that. uh, wrote so many books, more in addition, they were translated into many languages, even into the most exotic ones, he met iran recently, literally. yes, he met with erdogan there and certainly a philosophical star, so to speak, in the modern language of thought, what is the signal for us here? well, this terrorist operation, that the bloody flywheel has already been launched is terribly different, that it is launched precisely against the most unprotected, but at the same time quite significant part of society against people who do not have social and humanitarian meanings. i think it's in danger children or culture, including those that show certain. images and through images through aesthetics to broadcast these meanings why because in relation to civil servants you can make protection, and in relation to expert

political scientists, philosophers, sociologists, cultural figures , journalists, the same thing. yes, you can not put under each guard and use it. we already have a colleague. aleksey dyanov also demonstrated that he had already been threatened, that is, this flywheel. unfortunately it has been launched. we began to see him even earlier than the twentieth year. i remember, the seventeenth year, when there was a breakthrough of the border with ukraine, and moreover, unfortunately, in the nineties in the early nineties, and the ukrainian elites were then generally post-soviet and relied on the formation through the sbu of such structures as we have, since the ninety- sixth year they came to minsk overturned this car intimidated people remember. uh, the seventeenth year, when they were here anarchists of some right-wing radicals, whom he not only tried to prepare to take out to his camps there after the twentieth year. so he in general we can see it, how it is

put on stream. and this is one of the central tasks. unfortunately, yes. and that's what many experts said about the kiev regime, because i can't call it ukraine, but it's not ukraine at all, it's the kiev regime, which is located there, it has become a terrorist regime. this must be acknowledged. let's at this point, maybe go back in time, because they're not good enough for everyone, okay? how it all began. this is the confrontation between russia and ukraine, and at the same time in the end it may be to sum up in this case, is putin ready, is zelensky ready, after all, here at the table, negotiations, confrontation began precisely with the collapse of the soviet union why because the ukrainian elites? and they decided that they have the richest post-soviet state, and that they need to go to europe through a certain deception of russia in the nineties - it was, as it

were, imperceptible. uh, in such a clearly political sense, well, it was noticeable in a cultural sense. yes, but ukraine did not decide to follow the path of balance. that is, they speak russian the population is very large, that is, at least 17 million russians during the collapse of the soviet union lived on the territory of ukraine and plus a russian-speaking one, and plus another let's remember the romanian-speaking bulgarians, pagan hungarians and pagans. all this was they decided to build an ethno-nationalist state. first , in 1992, galicia was cleared of anti-fascist monuments, a myth was created that there is truth, the ukrainian piedmont of the golitsy, and this galicia should be considered as a bandera repair, that is, correct ukrainians live in galicia. they are as they saw, they see muscovites, and all the rest are masked. yes, here is the second point

, what is right for treatment is bandera. now, this is a certain canon. and they had such an inquisitive director. yanchuk, he took samples of soviet films and i make them under bandera. e meaning there. uh, there’s a hundred licked up there about poshukhevych, where the glorification of shukhevych goes right there , and in such a classic e-style of a soviet film about partisans about the great patriotic war, they were only replaced with meaning, but let them go this way peter no way. why will i explain? look here ? let them go, we have that masonry that is terrorist in essence, not even the state regimes that will try to make sorties on our territory, which has at least two nuclear power plants near our borders. uh, with whom we have a border moreover, i have no

doubt that if it persists, why do i say that it is impossible to negotiate with the universal they are priori impossible, because then we will have a southern border with nato came to pass sleep, then this is the first moment second moment. well, let's be frank, russia will agree that it is not known there, who will hold these pipe valves that go to hungary, slovakia, the czech republic, if it 's not putin, nickel, who is now at the negotiating table. i think that they will not sit down at the negotiating table. it will never end in something for some reason, because, uh, the main task of russia is for ukraine to become a neutral state, at least the kiev regime is not ready for this, on the other hand, we see the appetites of a certain poland the transfer of even part of western ukraine poland -

this is the transfer of nuclear power plants to this , russia will not go, therefore, i think that the special operation will end in a chop question, when will it end a private security company - this is the westernmost point of ukraine and the soviet union through this settlement e, passed way of communication from moscow to budapest vienna. from bratislava and prague, let's take a short break, i remind you, we have a telegram channel. say don't be silent. there are nice bonuses just for subscribers. and we are in touch. today our guest is political scientist petr petrovsky petr let's discuss one american grandfather and he is called the architect of expansion. but this is dale fried recently things, if russia did not conquer ukraine if it fails to hold belarus,

the new leadership may want to revive russia itself and build a better russia for the russians themselves and there will be a great political opportunity in them if it becomes obvious to everyone that putin has lost a prerequisite for future change is that putin must lose in the eyes of the people, he must look like a loser. but we see, yes, here, that this is laid down even by the way he speaks, the way he broadcasts new meanings to the script, how they would like the americans at the moment to me a phrase. i jumped right up a few times and listened to it again, if russia fails to keep, belarus which means that they absolutely give a clear signal that they will still try to split belarus from russia more than once. you are natural, because belarus is more than 500 kilometers, a geo-strategic territory on the way to moscow. imagine

nato base vorsha this is the first moment the second moment. this is the closest union state to russia - this is an image blow. well, the third point, if this blow is made then russia, uh, actually becomes a simple regional country, which is what the west is trying to achieve from uh, the end of the eighties and the beginning of the nineties, they need russia not to be a geopolitical pole, they need russia to turn into a model turkey the sixties and seventies, where it is possible to carry out coups d'etat through some kind of manipulation, when the west needs it, uh, to take cheap resources to use russian territory in the fight against china, such terrible scenarios are being written or spoken out, i think that many belarusians

are concerned about questions. will we have mobilization, that is, will belarus be drawn? in this war, well, at least, they are already trying to draw the president back in march, he told the case that they tried to hit us with missiles. uh, to fire at us, and provocations, how much we remember even before the start of the special operation, uh, helicopters flew in and so on and drones. more than that, mmm. i remember, which is still in the twentieth year. uh, in such a building there were no illegal links-poles to belarus as a gloss , a huge article was published on the departure, but one polish political scientist who was thinking. and what should belarus do? yes, and there were only two scenarios, which here among themselves they were conducted by a political scientist reflections. the first scenario is the complete occupation of belarus or

the second moment of the creation of a puppet. the government and the transformation of belarus into a protectorate and all this was very clearly geo -strategically thought there about no sovereignty independence nothing was considered. the first is not to allow any attempt at a possible defense of the kaliningrad region through the union state is not the main task. that is, the so-called notorious suwalki corridor and the second moment. why is it not necessary to directly occupy, but to marinade, firstly, so as not to bear economic responsibility for this, bear responsibility for geopolitical responsibility and third, so that there is no such buffer state as a whipping boy on the border with russia and poland at the same time. since russia did not have such a large border, here are three ordinary tasks in the first place economic, because we are simply not needed. well, we weren't needed anymore in the interwar move. they just used us as

a cheap source. the labor force of cheap timber, cheap agriculture, as the prime minister of, uh, poland, uh , said in 1937, there was such a curious phrase at one meeting. look, we are offering us madagascar to export jews from poland. so we still have citizens under pinsk e from the trees made. this is how he treated belarusians and the belarusian population of the so-called eastern cross. i think their relationship hasn't changed much since then. just look how they treat the same ukrainians, there is a twofold relationship on the one hand. uh, but the ruling party of law and justice wants to use their maxim, it comes to the point that in the autumn session everyone will consider the bill. she divides the voting rights of citizens of

ukraine living in the way for what it is do? this is so that right and justice will definitely win the next election, because their ratings are falling on the other side. we see that they are forced to go somewhere to work. uh, and the lowest salaries are already terrible. uh, a life form is offered. yes, these two contradictions, on the one hand, are some kind of privileged civil status, when, lo and behold, some polish professors tell. in the same place, adulthood is patronized by the university, as they say. here comes the decision, if a citizen of ukraine says that he studied, but he has no documents. so we take it on a non- competitive basis without knowledge of the polish language . but a citizen of poland must know the exams. that is, in my opinion, peter did not last long somehow in the non- economic part on behalf of the civil part. i would call e linking

civil to poland it is fighting now it causes discontent. why because why in terms of education in terms of? mm, uh, providing some kind of social housing , the citizens of ukraine are in the first place, the citizens of poland are in the second, why do they never did not work for the polish state. now they have to get a pension, but at the same time, uh, they are made to understand, this is such a trick . trick. better than a ukerberg. understood these for future election campaigns. here are the bots. but i think this will cause a huge explosion in poland, we agree. why because, uh, the local population it is, uh, in poland, no one else imposed sanctions against anyone else. in six months , gdp has decreased by two as much as 1/10%. they have inflation of 16%, they

have crazy rates of rising prices for the most basic goods. and who will be to blame those who came to those who remained privileges, that is, they may have a powerful ethnic conflict. do you think that this is a provoked situation. or it just happened on its own. i believe that this is an intellectual opportunity for the modern polish leadership. that is, the polish leadership, it is not independent, a and b it is not far from competent, if we look at the personnel potential of e, the party of law and justice, its evolution in the mid-zero years. we will see that the most competent persons from this party have left. there were people left who either remained to live in the thirties. they have pilsudsky kachinsky, there is no difference, and the second point. they are far from enlightened , not educated to the extent that they should

be in these positions of the part, we argue the state of discussing the issue. maybe you can help us figure it out later, without this special operation, putin could achieve the same goals that he has now achieved, uh, with this special operation we are talking about what europe is rapidly carrying. you, too, this time we are arguing with you. i think that was not the purpose putin i think that it is rather the united states that are more interested in impoverishing europe. it seems to me here. let's look at the process more objectively, the impoverishment began in europe and the united states not with a special operation. and not even with the coronavirus. uh, economists for 18-19 years demonstrated that there should be an economic crisis, and here the coronavirus, as uh, turned out to be different, now you can write this entire economic crisis so coronavirus. what is the economic reason? well,

not even the reason for a special marker indicator, er, then that all investments went into a simple game on the stock exchange creating inflating soap bubbles. here, january-february, uh, 2020, and then abruptly, everyone started the coronavirus here, uh, everything closes is a good excuse on the one hand, on the other hand, to force people to stay in apartments and do nothing, especially with a good excuse, but war. she is cruel to you. she became a new trigger like that. e new push. i mean, she broke. well, even stronger are the many ties of logistics, the economic ties of cooperation, and it exposed the processes that are accumulating the same inflation. yes, because it is understandable. this is completely economically justified all the war. to whom the mother is dear and all

that. well, it was possible to do without it, and putin offered, if we remember last year a year ago there. during e from june to january 2.000 21 years uh, putin offered. let's sit down. on security issues, let's make a framework agreement after the geneva meeting. putin putin canoe told him. why don't we go, such conditions are unacceptable to us. that is, the west itself refused to sit down, putin did not have to nothing else. how to solve your own security problems, and this is not a trap. for him, you know, such a set of subjective objective facts here is a fork in the road if putin ends his favor. this makes the goods the most combat-ready in europe, at

least in eurasia if putin, uh, half- finishes conditionally, yes, i said that uh, putin zelensky will not sign an agreement, well, all of a sudden. here, let's simulate it means that there will be palpable regimes with revanchist views that will secretly pump up as much as possible. everyone remembers the history of the black rail, when yes on paper was supposed to be disarmed, there should be a limitation on the destruction of weapons, but floors should be tested. there they concentrated concentrated weapons. mystery produced weapons all this was. it will be the same then in such a situation on the territory here under the initial kiev to kiev of ukraine and there will be an attempt at revenge sooner or later. moreover , in such a situation, we will be the weakest

link. why because they, in order to as they say to bite russia will hit on his ally, hoping, as they hope, that we don't have a nuclear umbrella, no deal, they don't think they will work. we, you understand, are easy prey, that is, this is not 140 150 million russia, this is 9 1/2 million states. it is more compact, it is smaller than ukraine , let's also measure the penetration of some kind of drg here or there, in general, open aggression. it is much lighter in terms of. just uh, rather than the kyiv regime. in a difficult hmm e physical struggle with the combat-ready huge russian army. uh, today i would also like to discuss with you the crisis of democratic ideas, we are observing this, but on

the example of the united states, where society is already split , both american and british write about this, which is an interesting publication. what do you see peter as the reason. eh, it is written here for our viewers to translate that people are amazed to arm themselves. yes with a, we still keep saying that there is no split, not true, you understand, american society, it was split quite a long time ago. it was split from the very beginning. yes, here is a cultural cat. yes, there are blacks, there are whites, how did they start building it all on this and moreover, uh, initially human rights in the usa were rights for before mid-twentieth century. for white people in the first on the white second moment who came up with, who invented the concentration camp, few people know about it, right? it was invented at the time of the american civil war under the leadership of lincoln

. whoever looks at the dollar bill with the linkol must remember this man invented the concentration camp . why didn’t these cultural and, in principle, social problems come out like this strongly, because after the war, uh, all these dollars were flooded with money and these contradictions were muffled. after the arrival of reagan, when the state of the general welfare of prosperity, as it was called during the baby boom in the united states after the war yes, it is over, the industry began to shrink. and, uh, most importantly, the social position of ordinary employees began to deteriorate. it turned out that one-storied america

launched industrial america turned out to be a rusty belt, and only one lives. uh, wall street and the wave of the first emigration, the second later he said that there was nothing of what had happened before, that is, we are talking about such an economic case. yeah, this is a cultural and economic case, but i would look at other cases. uh-huh, in general, the question of democracy. this is a fundamental deep question. why because after the forty-fifth year in the west, the opinion arose that democracy is equal to liberalism, liberalism is equal to democracy, liberal democracy is generally nonsense, why? because democracy is an ordinary procedure, according to which, in an electoral way, issues are resolved through a referendum through elections. well, i want to show a fragment of how

the procedure ended in america. we'll just watch the picture without sound, ex- president. uh, the fbi comes to his residence at night and just starts to search peter what democratic procedures are missing here. the most important thing here, if we are talking about this is this is a typical contradiction between liberalism and democracy, because liberal democracy. you can formulate it differently democracy for liberals, if you are not a liberal, then democracy is t for you no, you have to undergo the so -called ostrokism. let me remind you what it is to public civil censure of informational censure. this is what the west wanted to do in our country in 2020. this is a censure, allegedly fake. yes, now they are doing over trump. what is the purpose for? what if trump does not participate in the next

presidential election, because trump biden's rating today is the majority in the morning than biden's, that's all fine. eh, he understands, but it confuses me that you can not find anything, turn around and leave. that is, well, how all this. maybe, well, it's called lawlessness, there are a couple of documents there. this is a feature of the western electoral system. why are they called electoral? because we must understand that the general population does not take part in the decision-making of states back. there is a manipulation in the public consciousness, parties are created, parties are liquidated, but these parties remain on the money of the establishment of the elite, which uses more subtle technologies due to a certain concentration of capital, which the west gained as a result of colonialism. that is, this is a performance, and as if everyone knows that this performance is already such a social contract. yes, french philosophers. guides of borscht, in the sixty-eighth year it was called

the society of the spectacle. it's really. so hence the crisis of legitimacy i would even call it not democracy, but legitimacy, when e countries are not countries, when hmm western society ceases to recognize the normality of their own governments as legitimate. the only thing that saves these governments is subtle manipulative technology and domination information, but in doing so they say they state that the university of california polls are quoting that they are either a strong leader, meaning there is a longing for some other civic arrangement. this is for what, if not democracy, what do you understand? i would not say that they do not yearn for democracy. they just yearn for democracy. what is democracy in the understanding of an ordinary person, this is when we gather a president there, and here it is written in his program, and he will do it and there is no bureaucrat apparatchik, either some opposition, or some other

media will not be able to prevent him from doing this. trump, today , is precisely the image of the one to whom all these comrades interfered with the bureaucrats of the deep state, when they leaked an important decision of the president and for some reason no one is now carrying out any consequences for these bureaucrats . yes, uh, the media 90% of the media, uh, just wet, i’m not afraid of this word trump didn’t give him. lol that's free speech because democrat uh trump got the wrong words wrong ideology, according to the establishment, the usa that's what ordinary americans want, so that they elect a president and none of these manipulators interfere with him, that is, without intermediaries, the fronts of the garage. i would say. uh, there's a little more here they require. uh, authoritarian winter, democracy, as one

uh political scientist classic said, this animation made a decision and quickly implemented it, which trump tried to do with twitter yes , i think he tried not to try to do it was not allowed to do, because he the regiment fought back. that's impeachment, and the second floor term was just trying to fix something. but he had to fix this bureaucracy, but he actually had to, and it slipped through her to change the us constitution, and it is very difficult or almost impossible to change the us constitution, because all amendments must be accepted by all states, the united states in america today is facing a very global the problem that the country is no longer manageable, that it is deepening the split? what is the polarization of society. uh, cultural-economic

certain things overlap and the most main. right now, these establishment liberals are trying to organize such a macron in the usa, two zero, that is, ultra-rights, a democrat and an ultra-left republican. there's one congressman, the second state governor is doing. uh, now they are trying to make a third party move, like france was ahead, and here they called france generally forward the usa that is, even a direct tracing paper. well, a straight line, but we see from the macron that today by force. it is possible to contain the situation inside, uh, france and the issues are not solvable, that is, france is a country that will explode sooner or later and you know what u fell asleep. we need to take a break soon. this fact consoles me, because the architect also says that

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our tv channel and travel online. on the air, say, do not be silent, and political scientist pyotr petrovsky, our guest, would like to have time to discuss the anniversary of the twentieth year. you marked it by the fact that for a start you rolled out your post, and which we know. we have already discussed it in this studio, where you finish it is very interesting that after lukashenka's persona we will need collective lukashenka's phrase is remembered, frankly, bright, how things are with collective lukashenka well, look, what is a collection of melkoshenko, these are specific institutions, which are public institutions, which will be fuses from possible

twenties from possible color revolutions and other interventions. that is, it should be civilian control. precisely those supporters of the president's active side, which in these institutions in the public organization. first of all, they are united there. yes , we have just passed this year a referendum on changing the constitution and the entire belarusian assembly was strenuously, but received constitutional status. in my opinion. this is the first step towards a collective lukashenka; the second moment is the law on parties of public associations. the most important thing here is that public associations should be autonomous structures of civil society. look at the twentieth year, he highlighted what many have discovered for themselves, that it turns out that the majority is not the opposition of the supporters. lukashenka, and very, very active here, too. the most important thing is that these active supporters of

lukashenka should not be beaten down by some kind of some kind of bureaucracy from above, but for this strong power from above. e, it was supported by a powerful initiative from below and here is the question. what will civil society be like? what will be the law? in general, i am in favor of the fact that we had a system of grants for civil initiatives. why because it makes it possible? to be creative in an open competition to win not to win and realize we must get used to the idea that civil society can only be professional against us, i will explain against us when fought, fought professionals who work where they work who npos npos and of course, and here, i agree with you, this does

not work at all, it should work for us. why because it is precisely the horizontal institutions of initiative from below that they will be able to, and as the practice of the twentieth year showed me, they will be able to support the president if necessary. and if we have, well, sooner or later alexander grigoryevich will not be president. if it is necessary to take it, they say the initiative in their own hands without it. let's speak frankly, but his management is a slightly different task and demands that he go out there and on the street when he has an enterprise. the ministry, when he has specific tasks - this is from him. eh, that sounds naive. and here is a citizen who has a clear position. uh, business rep. uh, a simple hired worker, a retired student who has clear views, who is patriotic, who is active, he

can defend that's who the team is, because somehow with all these conversations, and patriotism, we missed this one. here's what actually. she owes it all to someone stick to institutions. and not just at institutions, there should be a very strong dialogue. critical dialogue i am generally a supporter of dialectics and i say that in any society in any there are contradictions. there are different points of view that clash. if we close our eyes, we will. well, it's just so formal. here they dropped it. here you should here it here here it will not work. it will work on paper, there will be beautiful reports, but there will be no actions. and when we have a dialogue between dissidents and other representatives from a different point of view, when you start a discussion, his point of view also changes a little. i had the following question for you, that you told those who saw the light that they despise the irreconcilable ones, but

today, well, many people turn to me if i i heard from my colleagues from my acquaintances, well, they saw the light, so to speak, that it’s good, who live badly, they don’t like it, we want to return to give away, you know. i had a situation recently, one oppositionist called me from warsaw he asked me to find him in warsaw the job was interesting. you know, you don't have your own warsaw. so i don’t live in poland and haven’t been to poland, probably since the fifteenth year. if my memory serves me right, but that's not even the point, the point is that we should not close ourselves and should not cook in our own kitchens. this is the main principle. for some reason, if an ordinary person who does not have a special education begins to think about social processes , you will agree by yourself, when you are professionals there, about journalism, about everything, not with colleagues

you talk, but somewhere it starts by itself, that in this studio, you and i, with political scientists, went through such universities, which, of course, we will not correct to demand there from people who at that time, under the openness of society, lead to political autism, like me i call it? that is the danger here in the phenomenon of the twentieth year. this is the result of political autism, when people lived for 30 years in such a greenhouse in a political zone. everything was decided by the social state. everything is fine. then the virus received a psychotrauma against this background. uh, they've been warmed up through social networks. they are like politically virgin citizens. just uh, jumped out into the street and started doing some emotionally charged action. far from always conscious and far from all, peter must be said that another part of society was watching this,

you know, and then, in the end, the fairy said hers quite right. he said his and today is the most important thing. here. uh, so that those people who are even against it will always be like that, they don’t drive them under the baseboard, they must. we debate the results twenty-first year, at least. we are in the top four countries in the world with minimal stratification. this is our merit, this is the greenhouse, and which is so valuable to some, and we do not notice some. and here it should definitely be noted that we are already being contacted by people who have seen enough of their lives and already understand the difference between tourism and migration. him and say that the dialogue should still be even with opponents, but at the end of the program, i would like to ask the most popular questions that are asked to philosophers.

what is the meaning of life, probably the meaning of life in life itself. that's the main point here, you don't have to go far, and most importantly, the main thing is to live it with dignity. most importantly, not something that seeks to leave some kind of mark for it. leave the whole planet. e your mark just for everyone around you, so that they remember you as a kind loved one. well, in the form of your work, peter we still hope that you will not leave your work and will write us please. we tatyana shcherbina victoria popova say goodbye to you today. goodbye. goodbye. and now pyotr petrovsky is speaking, dear viewers, summer is coming to an end, but our life is not something that continues , continues with renewed vigor. and i hope the new period. this is a period of creativity before the new discoveries before the new pleasure from our common life with you from our motherland

, our families of relatives and friends, so i wish everyone that you come back to your workplace with renewed vigor met with their loved ones. e with those with whom you work, e and exchanged this powerful energy, e powerful energy of that charge rest that you received

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