underneath the market of some independent international institutions, there is a system in which there is a center, in which there is a periphery, the center can, e, be guided and managed by these international institutions. the periphery is those countries that belong to this periphery. they must either obey it. eh, institutions, or, but fight to form their own center of power with access to some kind of multipolar such system of international relations. this is the only lesson that we must get out of this situation. speaking in general, it is in the architecture of the world that the poles redistributed the world with a bowl. this is how they actively show their ambitions for the territory of ukraine . and what is it, this is really a reality, when ukraine can simply be stretched into parts and divided back in 2019, if i’m not mistaken, but they appeared in poland. uh,

railway trains of speech bet here on the map the entire territory of western belarus western ukraine on this map was presented, as you know, the belarusians never had a map of the commonwealth any such claims. although we probably could, yes, remember that we could remember the history of bialystok, we could remember clearly, but we do not remember. we have no complaints. um, to um, those borders that now exist and we do not dispute them. i once had a meeting in poland with representatives of warsaw university with a professor. you know how the acquaintance began, holding out a hand, otherwise the polish step by step, grodno, you understand, this is natural. i found that i found the answer. i remembered what to say about bialystok, but we are belarusians never not acquaintance. even when communicating with the test, we do not raise this topic, which is why the polish elite is sick. eh, exactly. eh, this is all mine. unfortunately, the actions that are being taken now. they are at the head of these ideas

in great britain poland well , of course, under the auspices of the united states of america and i think that they are sleeping, see, uh, the president of poland that the rats of the skhodnya will be part of the commonwealth unfortunately , the information that supposedly the poles and ukrainians will be provided equal the rights of such a general, possibly sovereign country. and this says that the same expansion is coming. in my opinion. yes, this is such an institution for the implementation of the legalization of hmm uh the gradual inclusion of the territory or part of the territory of ukraine into the polish state, because when you probably talk about that, uh, about the initiative that polish citizens could uh enter the state institutions of ukraine but this is actually hmm the erosion of sovereignty, the, uh, what our neighbors in eastern europe talk about so often, how the threat to the country of russia is being done here. not just openly but also legally

this is why i think that, of course, poland's appetite and pretension to poland's position can probably be described as one wants and pricks, because on the one hand , tensions are manifested in the conditions of this crisis. uh, some historical appetites and archetypes. their foreign policy, on the other hand, is constrained by the european union and their partners' partners within. e of the european union hmm, and here there is such a contradiction that in the end the big question will win, you can wait for anything, in fact, and any development of the situation on the part of the poles i. i think we can expect any position on what is happening inside ukraine right now. naturally. all this is reflected in the union state, and the topic is being actively massaged that a conspiracy is being prepared against zelensky within it. burnt strength, how

relevant these fermentations are now, because, and if you look at internet sources and analyze what the ukrainian media write, you get the impression that everything is very good and there is no internal discord no, well ukrainian, we understand the media, they still occupy a position and there is nothing surprising here. in general, the fakes that breed in ukraine starting, and with dukhakiev and certain other things that i would not like to say here all this in a key, but really, if the information that regarding the pledged minister of defense is pushing the commander of the armed forces of ukraine away, pushes from zelensky and in principle. here, perhaps they want to blame him for all the failures that exist in the donetsk direction. and you can already see him less on television, so this case is mortgaged. indeed, it is possible to hang all the dogs on him. naturally, mr.

zelensky and he takes the position that he is told from above. naturally. we understand perfectly well that there is an external management of influence here, and hmm those forces that stand over ukraine that are pulling the string for decision-making and i absolutely do not exclude that it is mortgaged. maybe, uh, maybe , uh, made by such a figure, which is very something, on which he will hang all the dogs, so this is absolutely logical and possible in the political elite of the ukrainian and there are some opinions, because real successes , uh, confirmed verified successes. uh, on the hmm east direction all the way. in general, they, and do not exist only in some information space, are really a percentage of psychological operas. doing its job in this direction. we see a lot of fakes and information needs to be fished out bit by bit. but what a conspiracy against zelensky can exist from absolutely, not excluding last week. we

observed the arrival of prominent european politicians to kiev, and something was announced, something was almost sudden, these visits were. what do you think, what did they talk about, because there was very little information, what did european politicians come to kiev with? and in general, how much zelensky becomes a toxic figure for the west, how much, perhaps, his confusion now about toxicity. at this stage. i would not speak for the west precisely, because, on the contrary, for the west, the figure of zelensky, uh, remains anyway. hmm, such a key one. this is such a frontman. this one, but the show that unfolds precisely on the pages of both ukrainian and western media. uh, the media and they need such a media face. manual regarding the same goals and objectives, the real ones with which they came. uh, western leaders, we've all seen speculation and uh. yes, they came with

an offer. uh, a compromise of some sort with russia to enter into negotiations again, including by surrendering part of, uh, territory. i think that in general it is more or less safe to say that positions were agreed on hmm on further uh hmm activities, the leadership itself ekiva in the new conditions, because it is becoming more and more obvious that you can promote e, in tiktok and social networks as much as you like. uh, hmm, there are myths, uh, kiev needs a victory probably in the donbass, but de facto - this does not happen and it is well understood both in kiev and in uh in germany and france, and therefore a new strategy needs to be developed, probably, this was discussed before all speech. i would

also like to add here. we see that both the macron dredge and the scholts have arrived. uh, they were not accompanied, for example, the polish leader, the english leader, that is, i think it is the vector is a little different not towards confrontation, it is precisely towards strengthening negotiating positions, but persuasion, and zelensky, i would also like to draw attention to the fact that today lav-sholz said that many statements by ukraine are not true, therefore, those things that are being promoted there arrestovich podlyako and a number of other people, well, in general, it doesn’t correspond, it’s really real, and even look at what the recent elections in france to the parliament showed, if earlier the party was, and the macron faction supporting the macron was 345 people in parliament from 577 elections showed a failure, that is, today there are 245 members. we saw a victory, let's say, an increase in the number of representatives in parliament.

representatives of the faction, lipn, uh, ra- used to be eight people. now it's almost 10 times more, i think 89, so the left-right won. and here's the liberal one. uh, let's just say, she lost the component. and this is probably due to the unpopular steps that the french leader is taking in particular, but in general. in my opinion. there is a disengagement in the views there is, uh, a party, probably, but hmm, so, who supports the power components to fight to the last ukrainian, but there are also leaders and this split is getting stronger, who understands perfectly well that here it is impossible to achieve one’s political and economic goals in the long term, so i think that the political elites of the european union are getting a little sobering up. negotiation process. and the russian leadership stated that the operation of the special military operation would be brought to an end and all goals would be achieved, as this correlates with the negotiated

process now? by and large, uh, now, as part of a special operation, they are trying to implement it by force. uh, those goals and objectives that were discussed back in february between the russian president. if you remember e with the leaders of france with the leaders. e germany, after all , back in february 2022, before the special operation, and the macron, but promised to bring moscow’s position to kiev regarding the demilitarization of the withdrawal of all neo-nazi groups from the political control system, and so on and e hmm, unfortunately, unfortunately, then having arrived from moscow to kiev the macron reportedly did not even bring this position of moscow to zelensky, although it was promised. well, so er, that was the only thing i had to do. this is already

self-achieving. the implementation of these goals here, well, already within the framework of a special operation, therefore, no changes in the transformation. in general, here, uh, no since the spring of 2022, and the goals remain the same, as they say, they are on the royal groups. how strong these sentiments are in general in ukrainian society. now that's a good question, because there are some here. oh, such a discrepancy because at the societal level they are not strong. what do public opinion polls and election results and so on show, but with this low public level support for neo-nazi sentiment, neo-nazi groups and political and military have one of the key influences on decision-making in kiev in this itself. and it seems to me that one of the basic features of this

political system that has developed since the fourteenth year. its beginnings were up to 13-14 years old, but after the maidan a. she it was formed like, uh, a complete political system, and just, and hmm , the conclusion of this political system was scrapped. the influence of neo-nazism, as an ideology, as a socio-political uh, figure, uh, withdrawal from the political system of ukraine is one of the key and, probably, the most difficult task. eh, a difficult task and is it even possible to do it? it's possible, but only, uh, through systematic work. for many years for many years. unfortunately, because even these last 8 years they have been massed with nazi propaganda on the territory ukraine, they still make themselves felt. even if that's all, we still can't say that the ukrainian society, uh, is amazed by

the yunazi ones, eh. mass buildings, but still the fruits of this were, and turning this process back into five will be, it will be difficult and, probably, it will take much longer to work than, for 8 years i have been refracting this topic to belarus, information has appeared that belarusian neo-nazis are nationalists. now they are howling on the side of the apu and they are preparing them there for an invasion of belarus in order to prepare the ground to shake the country inside and prepare for a larger invasion. how true is this information? yes, indeed, such a case exists. we saw, and some time ago that it was stated that they would fight as part of the armed forces with the support of suction, but it turned out to be difficult such troops that are positioned, yes, who tell us the regiment was a battalion, now half, but uh, according

to their information, there are only 69 people and a surname. these people are the relevant services of belarus know, yes, indeed they are, but a buffoon look. with them they position themselves a little not quite correctly, but they say that we can, we are ready, of course, funding. this is western funding. ah. that's it, armaments - this is also the west, but we know these people, we know what they are capable of terrorist acts, for sure, they are ready, the special services, they will be prepared, but at the same time, we are ready for this, we have this information , and the actions being taken in the south our borders to prevent the passage of terrorist groups here. enough at this stage. well, you can’t calm down, indeed terrorist groups can, but i think their end will be sad if they try to do this, don’t you get the feeling that some of the ruling circles of ukraine even benefit from such a military situation from a financial point of view. yes, it's pumping armaments in this humanitarian aid. these are money

trenches from europe, there is no such feeling that, in principle, to someone. profitable for now, yes, to whom war, to whom the mother is dear, well, even through some ukrainian journalists information about that corruption leaks. uh, how do current ukrainian politicians generally earn on humanitarian aid in armaments and so on, but by and large the issue here is not only financial. and such that e third to them or there the second is not even given, because their political future is now, perhaps, only in a state of war. actually, why does it seem to me that the political elite? in kiev so stubbornly somewhere hmm behaves anti-rationally, because they have already, uh, become hostages of themselves, uh, and they don’t have the opportunity to go any longer, which will then sweep them away, just a wave

of public discontent and political defeat and an economic crisis within ukraine. that is, it will be, uh, actually political death. and here's an interesting question. and we keep talking about the fact that a is supplied to ukraine with weapons. they supply money for uniforms and at the same time we look at the same internet, look at the same sources, already russian and see that many soldiers from the front line talk about the fact that there is nothing to fight with weapons. there are no ammo there. and where does it all go? well, it would probably be more logical to ask, you see, which is in power, and also by that oligarch, who, in general, has a serious influence on zelensky, including, therefore, those, and streams that go, and those, but statements, who, in particular, are outraged from the west from providing a certain amount for the lens , you know, eh. i think that a lot of things do not reach a lot of sawing at the stage of hitting, a on the territory of ukraine and, of course,

lack of control, but from the outside. uh, the armed forces of ukraine and political figures behind the flows of these weapons, well, they say, for themselves, there is already information that stingers have appeared, and territories. well, the maxim machine gun is more for hmm, let's say yes, yes. this is probably a lack of weapons, but also some kind of pr yes, in a certain sense, but it is very fraught. this is the uncontrolled distribution of weapons, which began back in february, in my opinion, or in march, when we remember on the streets kiev was handed out, uh automata. in general, uncontrolled, in principle, and in principle these things, but they do take place. well, it’s just that here i’m already trying to grab at every straw, and we see, sometimes they talk about a large supply of weapons, but in particular, a certain country supplies there in fact. well, four guns, yes, for example, and therefore, one thing can be said to be another

matter in fact, but hmm i think i think that all the deliveries of weapons, and they will not lead to anything good, and in general pumping up ukraine uh- e power component. well, it's just delaying the processes of all. uh, this is a delay. hmm. again. this is probably to fight to the last ukrainian. it is in this context that the actions that the west is taking spoke about the corruption of the ukrainian ruling elites. but this is the case that medvedchuk poroshenko is now playing out is that zelensky’s desire to strengthen his power even more. why it is so active is being discussed now, in general. uh, he has the logic of a total cleansing of the political field and the creation of a war own cult. uh, cults, a leader, some kind of leader, well, right there, you can refer to the statement of some ukrainian experts and

journalists, who now may be somewhere abroad or have only remained free because even the expert field was cleared after e , began a special operation, and in ukraine, these people who once were more or less, at least those who are familiar with zelensky, speak of certain psychological features of him as such e napoleon and daffodils, who are very focused on their own. here representation of the creation of the image of a leader, therefore, in many respects, perhaps there is already something even so psychologically irrational in zelensky’s action in order to use this minute of glory within the framework of, world politics, e. i don’t know, even realizing that soon it’s a minute. thank you very much for a very interesting conversation. i really

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