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drunk with the hollow of our ducts, we appreciate the past for our terrible belarus 20 shatyry alexander dyukov director of the historical memory foundation researcher at the institute of russian history of the russian academy of sciences, we will talk today about a very large number of topics and about the history of belarus, including the modern one, about the events of the tragic times of the great patriotic war of the genocide of the belarusian people and about the events of the 19th century about the uprising of 1863 and konstantin korenovsky. hello

, you are watching the program say, do not be silent in the studio victoria popova and tatyana shcherbina and today historian alexander dyukov is our guest. good afternoon. good afternoon alexander you were one of the compilers of the six-volume edition without a statute of limitations. yes, which reveals all the known facts about the genocide of the belarusian people during the great patriotic war. tell us why you, a historian from moscow , are interested in this topic. and how did you even get on the research team. i got into the team. uh, in our time in russia, uh, they launched a project without a statute of limitations, when i looked at how our colleagues are doing one for each area occupied by the nazis about the crimes that were committed against. the civilian population, i looked at i thought about this, but in belarus why is

there no such publication in belarus, where a separate volume will be devoted to a crime in each region? eh, we managed to do this project. it turned out to be more difficult than we thought at the beginning. well, including because a pandemic happened in the process. e, well, nevertheless, together with belarusian e colleagues. we pulled out this project initially. do you have any proximity with belarus why do you think about how ours, belarus, i head the historical memory fund, it has been interacting with belarusian stories since 2008. since then, we have been constantly interacting with belarusian ones. together with russian colleagues from belarusian archivists, we have completed the publication

of a large project of a six-volume book without a statute of limitations, in which six volumes are told about the crimes of the nazis in the occupied territory of one of the belarusian regions in each volume. uh, huge project. soon it will arrive in the library and of course it will be posted online. i highly recommend. eh, this edition is very good , this six-volume edition that came out this. well, in fact, only the tip of the iceberg of what we published with belarusian archivists almost every year. we have published several collections of documents. over the course of more than 10 years, perhaps this six-volume book has become the most noticeable, because i, as your subscriber to telegram facebook, i see reproaches and sometimes. your address in particular from your opponent zmiter

drozd, who writes why comrade dzyukov did not engage in this research earlier now, when citizen lukashenko, in order to maintain his more than dubious power, began to wage war against the nazis, whom he exposes all his opponents. and you, uh, retort to him, as we were just told that you have been involved in these projects since 2008 . and i have such questions for you alexander is it generally pointless to discuss with people like mr. growth, well, i don’t know, in this case, uh, the person obviously doesn’t even bother see at least a minimal background and find out that i and the foundation for historical memory publish collections of documents about the crimes of the nazis, including on the territory of belarus well, at least since 2009, when this topic had no political overtones. we are working on this systems, moreover, this

six-volume, uh, which he is talking about, yes, the first volume, came out in 2019, i mean, uh, we started this project even before the events of august 2020 happened, before any topic related to uh, nazi genocide became politicized. well, in general, discussions are hardly meaningless. here alexander rather skillfully merged the famous teacher anna severinets, let's remind the audience the essence of the conflict, in september last year, the prosecutor general's office published a map of the burned villages. e. after that , materials appeared on the internet. they are the completeness of the map layer, they are the accuracy associated with the number of houses in the pre-war post-war periods in specific villages and the dead inhabitants and was noted in the comments and in fact itself. anna is ours at norrits. how to water no one fired you. then this record hit. yes, of course,

i was hurt, because i know how this map was drawn up, which was made by the prosecutor general's office. it was not made from scratch, for many years the national archive of the republic of belarus has been creating a database of burned belarusians. villages. this is truly a unique project. here is for me, which is for the russian. ah, a very painful moment. we don't have such a database. we didn't work like this back in soviet times, such work was carried out in belarus. and we have not conducted in russia. no, we have databases are still here in belarus, such an electronic database was created back in the mid-1990s, and i saw how my colleagues fill it. for each village , not only data is given about when it was burned, but when. how many inhabitants did it have before the war? how much do i have left after the war? how many were practically killed. for each

village in this database, images of archival documents are included that tell about the destruction of this village. and here is the village that the severinian was talking about. she is also in this base. documents jumped her nose, just the same sixty-ninth year. we have screenshots indicating that yes. in one of the acts, 12 houses were burned down and eight people were killed in response. anna didn't come up with anything better than to accuse you of not understanding russian well, and hmm, as it were, well, she got away from the answers, there are documents. and this document. not just based on some speculative uh, no conclusions. there is evidence of a specific person. and anna after that became. uh, trying to discredit here this witness that she allegedly told a lie. that means to me, uh, they said that this is some kind. so, uh, marginal otshchepenko and so on, but this is already a

woman who testified, including about those killed, and her family members were killed. and uh, so anna is from the north. she, uh, practically accuses this woman of lying about her family members being murdered. well, it certainly me it's up to business. but nonetheless. here is her this phrase, that no one fires from the mountain, no matter how water is poured. uh, picked up and uh, everywhere forced to repost and did, uh, the emphasis is on this, because that's how myths are formed, but good ones. uh, the fascists who allegedly fed them candy. and what if we, then they won, and surrendered to the mercy of the nazis, now they would drink bavarian and sausages are exposed quite easily, but the documents. in fact, due to the fact that these documents have been digitized by belarusian artists. it's exposed in a click and a half, but people keep going. to say that they are closer, they want to see such a concept,

where there were no crimes about the crime of the nazis. uh, maybe for political reasons. yes, perhaps, for some reason these considerations are absolutely incomprehensible to me. there are such people not only in belarus. we also have them in russia. i mean, i've dealt with it. we have just the same. in confirmation of your words, screenshots from the comments of the post-averian. uh, we read there the following, the parents of my grandmother were killed by the partisans and the germans that, well, drove a couple of times, yes, that's all. that's all you imagine, theoretically a similar situation you can imagine it's rare, but it 's possible, uh, you know, under what conditions it 's possible, if it was a police village. here, when you interrogate the inhabitants, here are yours on dekuppation. and when you walk around the village, and my colleagues and i walked both in belarus and in russia, uh, quite a lot. you clearly feel. uh,

because they tell you where is the guerrilla village and where is the police police station in the police village for you, so, uh, they are closing. they don't talk about nazi crimes. they say that this means that the germans have passed. everything is nothing it was, then, but about partizan yes, they say, now, if it was a police station, there were few of them, but they were still here in russia in belarus then. this is true. e, a most likely, in this case, it's just a fiction. well, the modern negative ones, they probably don’t think that, well, if everything was so good, then why was the partisan movement on the territory of belarus so strong then and what did the soviet people fight for alexander well, uh the partisan movement on the territory of belarus was indeed unprecedented in its scope. it is not comparable to par. movement in any other republic, why

because the republic was completely occupied and, uh, belarus fully felt it. uh, nazi genocide of course, when they come to kill you, it provokes resistance. the nazis came here , uh, to exterminate the population without a doubt. partisan movement. it would be in any case, well, these are the scales. it was the response of the people to, in the present, the people of the murder, when collaborators appeared, those who went to cooperate with these, and what did they think that the nazis would not affect them. here are their plans to destroy the majority of the population of belarus in the first place. yes, they hoped that their plans were not cast. secondly, they were in a certain illusion for the time being that the nazis didn’t come and they said that we would kill all of you, they came saying that we were fighting the big ones , we were that is, jews, which means, uh- we

are ready to admit nationalism. all this they said and a certain number of the population it was bought for, then many of them were aware of the real situation and many of those who were in collaborationist units then went to the partisans, and someone was either heavily tarnished and crimes, or, uh, completely ideologically stubborn stubborn . yes, he remained, and he continued to help them with the nazis. these people were. uh, so uh, crazy in their radical nationalism, because they didn’t even understand that now the germans would be kicked out of belarus and they would have to run away with them. but these events of august of the twentieth year. you they were probably already watched by those people who stood under these black and white banners, which then pushed them. here we are now watching 2 years later, and the western curators-patrons are simply thrown into the dustbin of history. i

am sure that in the twentieth year the vast majority, and those who went out under the black and white banners simply, but succumbed to the mass instinct that, and they believed that something was happening now that the entire population of belarus was involved in, it was precisely such an idea that formed telegram channel. we remember it very well that 97%, it's on this side. and which side will you be on? naturally under such informational pressure. uh, people trying to fit in ? yes, that's 97% for well, then i will be for and these people were deceptions. in the meantime, they have not seen that there is another side. yes , and indeed mass, and mass a different approach, and they were in such a delusion, but to admit this mistake of mine and tell myself and, accordingly,

those around me that i was mistaken. i was misled. it's like admitting that... well, i'm a fool. if a man don't uh, committed some e criminal acts did not flee to the west. well, this is something that is his own business. why would he, uh, speak in front of someone. he himself knows it, don't you think that there is always a percentage of people who think differently than everyone else. i am absolutely sure that, and the vast majority of the population thinks, otherwise some think about one thing and others about another. so there is a huge range of opinions. so, when, in the twentieth year, i heard that the majority is on this side, which is 97%, and i looked and thought, well, even in soviet e elections. uh, where where was one was one candidate and the unified bloc of communists from the party? even 97% were not there, there were 92, 95.

yes, that means, well, 97 of them were not even there even before the voting took place, before the elections were over, we saw that in e. telegram channels, in those very extremist e, instructions were distributed, and by the way it is not easy to organize protests, and violent protests, violence against representatives of law enforcement agencies and, e, to representatives of state officials, we see this carriers' trolleybuses even before voting day has passed. yes, e i said and showed that now there will be an outbreak. yes , now there will be an outbreak of violence and the opposition will resort to violence. uh, in order to, uh, try to somehow, uh, falsify the election results. yes means to rig less election results this violence actually happened. we wo

n't be long now. let's break, i remind you, we have a telegram channel. say don't be silent. subscribe to ask questions. invite us guests we are in touch. on the air, say no shut up. and today our guest is the historian alexander dyukov of the first part, what the soviet people fought for, but i would like to ask you a question. you have formulated what the post-soviet are fighting for, you are talking about a special military operation. i want to know, we had a political scientist in the studio not so long ago, and vadim borovik. he says it's hard to understand where the russians ship. is this the way that holds its own, is it formulated, or something, the idea of ​​\u200b\u200byes of the future russia's view of the future is actually, it is extremely simple uh, russia wants to live in the future and uh live in without threats from sides. uh, from the territory of the neighbors. yes, it means

that it is clear that the threats that are now coming from ukraine, for example, are a threat. not uh, ukraine as such, huh? e our western partners, who consistently moved to the east, regardless of the promises that were given to the late hunchback of russia throughout the entire post-soviet period. she said the simplest thing. there is no need to build up this military component to the east. no need to threaten and everything will be fine. russia wants to face in e. current. uh, the western world is fine, but just wants to merge in such a way that it is not destroyed in the process of e. here in the process it turns out that no, that our western partners. they want a little bit different, that they don't need a peaceful existence, that they need an advance to the

east, including a military component. well, uh, it was this promotion that led to what is happening now, but this is far from what the kremlin wanted, i am absolutely sure of this, you had it from the very beginning, yes, the operation, if you look at the records, yes, on facebook at the same time quite optimistic forecasts. and now they are not so optimistic. i hoped for the best, of course, we would all like the special military operation to be completed within a few weeks or a few months. and now we see that thanks to uh, western countries. she drags on. this leads to the death of a huge number of people from the ukrainian side, and our soldiers are dying and civilians in the dnr lpr, who are constantly shelled. i was in donetsk just a month ago a few weeks, and i saw what was

happening there, and i talked with the locals in mariupol and in the turn of the e, their severodonetsk and in lisichansk and in a number of cities. naturally, i was in donetsk and lugansk e. well, it's more of a tragedy in my opinion than sooner. uh, the operation would be over, so it would be better for everyone double - this is a long time in your opinion. i'm afraid that at least next year next year we'll see more fighting. well, it seems to me that the west is deliberately dragging out this special military operation, which they call a war, in order to you can weaken russia more strongly to me any doubt. uh, the west is very heavily invested in the fighting very heavily. uh, support the ukrainian side. and if this support had not been absolutely

unprecedented and large-scale, both along the military line, military technical and financial , and along all other lines. uh, then uh, the situation would already have been resolved and uh, tens of thousands of lives would have been saved. they consider russia some kind of competitor. russia for western countries is such an existential enemy, we are in the nineties. uh, thought it was the soviet union ended, yes, we abandoned the communist ideology, and well , on the same conditions that we can all join the big european western family, then in the process it turned out that we still have a different attitude towards us and consider we have a different account, that there will always be restrictions, but there will always be double

standards, what is allowed, but the bull is not allowed to russia such an approach of restriction. e in relation to russia were introduced in all directions, yes, and restrictions against belarus a. he showed that unfortunately people about a single european home. they turned out to be nothing more than illusions. and a confrontation, but there will be at least somewhere. uh, since 2012, it has been clear that sooner or later this is an escalation of tension between russia and western countries, an escalation that was carried out by the western countries on the other side. she was being held. sooner or later, it will find a solution in a military clash, not in a direct one, but you indirectly, this military clash is now taking place in ukraine, well, was your optimism present in it imperial such a spirit? eh, now we will denocify everything with them, we will

militarize the idea, quickly, i would very much like denocification to go quickly, any war must end quickly, if it drags on, the number of victims, the amount of expenses, the number of tragedies that this war entails. only the empire is growing here, because, uh, i am my colleagues and my friends, including. belarus said that the situation in ukraine will sooner or later end, er, with a direct large armed clash. it was inevitable. it could be pulled. i am sure that if zelensky would not have been on the throne in ukraine. and if poroshenko tymoshenko had been there, anyone from the old guard, then this war would not have happened now. now we would have, uh, had quite

not very good russian-russian-ukrainian relations, but without active hostilities. you think because they are older and more experienced. and zelensky is just a young, inexperienced politician. well, it's not that they are from experience and they know, uh, where you can play with moscow. yes, where you can, then give in. uh, where possible, means your position. here's a little. here, it means a little. correct yes, so as not to lead to the most terrible and terrible scenario for everyone, and they understood this very well, and poroshenko understood this, that's how much anti-russian poroshenko did, but he did not bring it to a direct military clash, it was not enough. no, well, alexey. i'm sure that he would n't have finished it. alexey german was recently in our program. he said we asked him this question. he said it didn't matter who

was in power. and zelensky or poroshenko uh, the conflict would still start hot, but, because this is the policy of the west and they are fighting with the hands of ukraine politics. of the west, yes, but in this case i am sure that if poroshenko had been in zelensky’s place, then the conflict would have happened anyway, of course, but it would not have happened now. now we would enjoy. in fact, more or less peaceful situations. there would be a conflict. it would have happened in two or three years, yes, so it would have happened here anyway, i completely agree with alexei. but it would not happen now, but with zelensky with a uh man, which to a certain extent, well, due to the fact that he is an artist in a slightly otherworldly imaginary world. uh, the situation turned out to be completely different, that is, uh, when zelensky came, again, there was no secret, and in the kremlin they hoped that this would help

resolve the conflict that exists, but in the donbass and when putin, uh, met within the framework of of the normandy four by zelensky it was such a very specific advance that yes, we are ready to have a certain dialogue, and then we saw that this dialogue, uh, in the blink of an eye, the position was closed like that, and zelensky's position under the minsk agreements became even less adequate than the position. poroshenko that is a complete denial. and yes, of course, there was western influence here. maybe that's hard for me to understand, it's financial in finland lure. no, why did they twist their hands with money somewhere. we didn’t stand with a candle, we can only record what was at a certain moment, but those advances that were coming and those signals that were coming, including from kiev, including from zelensky’s office, which is

here maybe the agreement was abruptly abandoned, why did they abandon them? well , i think that's where the western influence was. and how did they act there, uh, they showed accounts that are ready to be arrested, or it means that they simply physically influenced or else that i don’t know zelensky himself. first, a person is replenished. uh, became very rich and i think that you, well , simplify when you reduce everything from something. i know perfectly well that russia is under the minsk agreements. and it’s not very good for me, in fact , it’s a pleasant thing, yes, but uh, we have the kremlin did everything possible to ensure that these minsk agreements were implemented. how much alexander grigoryevich did to ensure that these agreements in general, the state of russia made great efforts to implement the minsk agreements, and right up until recently, if

memory serves. by the end of 2021, they have already included. yes, this multi-page one is about human rights violations in ukraine in the xii in the fourteenth years. and as the compiler of this work, and maidan violations of human rights then insisted that try to be. well, as politically neutral historians, er, we have. my colleagues have this work, and they say that it is fundamental. in general, from hand to hand, it will never reach me. uh, that means, uh colleagues from the general prosecutor's office of the republic of belarus, he leafed through this volume and says for the first time i see, uh, a published criminal case. this is actually a joke, but we, uh, when we were preparing this annual report. we started from several principles. we tried to include work in the data, and the maximum number

information without discarding. uh, no information that would be unpleasant and the second point. in this volume, we provided information not only about the crime, relatively speaking, of the maidan forces or the ukrainian security forces after the coup. well, for example, uh, a crime that was committed, uh, in the republics of donbass, including the militia, for the fourteenth year. you are already fixing the fakes of all sorts of nazi groups that are armed people there simply because they like to be armed. well, for myself. i understand that it is not yours the work of a politician for himself. what lessons did you learn after this work in the sixteenth year, in my opinion, e, did a great job. here is for me personally. i think this is an important thing. we translated into e, russian. the language of the work of british sociologist michael lan e, an explanation of ethnic cleansing the dark

side of democracy was the title of this book when i reviewed it. uh, i uh called this write-up evil is next. here. eh, this is the main conclusion that i personally draw from the events. and the fourteenth-sixteenth years. here, uh, evil is really nearby and, uh, bloody ethnic cleansing cleansing on other principles. as we have seen in ukraine, they are very easily initiated, that is, these large-scale paramilitary formations that attacked their political opponents, who kidnapped people, tortured them, killed them, threw corpses in forest plantations, neo-nazi organizations, and who received weapons after the coup d'état , a and sharply increased their composition sharply increased their numbers. here. all this turned out to be very fast growing. here is an insignificant

event. uh, a coup d'état and immediately we saw, but a huge amount of such evil that we could not imagine, and that's why i always see the events of 2020. here i will return to them. and i consider it through the prism of what i know about the events of 14-15 years. so there was a coup and here are people who, until recently, it means, like hipsters, it means they went, it means they were protesting against something, and they are already taking a machine gun and going to pacify those who, but adhere to a different political point of view, which was supported in the course. but this maidan is the other side. yes, uh, shoot kill. this is something that happens quite quickly and, but of course nothing happens. from scratch, all these neo-nazi organizations. football fans are reenactors who will later become the core of a

couple of military formations, they already exist and, uh, when we looked at the events of the twentieth year. yes, but we understand that in general, some such, but proto-structures. e were then and now when a in ukraine, on the side of kiev, is fighting, e, mercenaries from the regiment kalinovsky e. they are not simple. now these mercenaries have appeared there and fought there before. it was just that it was a belarusian company as part of, uh, a neo-nazi regiment. azov just then it turned out to be so deployed. that's half-kolinovsky in order to earn. and not just to make money. i am sure that, uh, at least uh, part of these people, uh, are guided by certain and ideological principles. well, to earn money too, for example, e people in e. azov actually got the opportunity in 14-15

quickly improve their social status. here was such. uh, a russian neo-nazi, by the way, from belarus in origin. well, here in the post-soviet space everything is so mixed up, but a person from belarus has become a russian, not a nazi. uh, here in russia, uh, that means sergey is short, uh, nicknamed the boatswain, and in the fourteenth year he fled to ukraine well, because in russia he would have been closed, and he would have been in prison for a long time, uh, and uh joined the azov regiment naturally he fled russia uh bosses and naked a year later when he got ukrainian citizenship, but he turns out to be, and he was, uh, a dollar millionaire. he had several apartments in kiev and he even had a light aircraft. well sporty. naturally. does not mean the content of the oligarchs, why would he not have? too motor plane maintenance of the oligarchs, ah, ah. he

got it as one of the leaders of azov because they earned money to keep these nitrogen from the oligarchs. who is standing on whom, because, for example, they were also engaged in racketeering and, of course, the oligarchies, including akhmetov and cursed, money, but here uh, i'm not sure they were on maintenance. rather, they got them. but who is the subject here, and someone will unite the subject of the object is an interesting question. let's take a short break and one last little pause. let's return to this studio again to talk with the historian alexander dyukov. subscribe to our telegram channel. say, don't be silent, and look for all our releases on the youtube channel, belarus 1. figures of belarusian

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guest is the historian alexander dyukov, a topic that belarus won't let go. now you are here to present your new sensational. i would say the work it is called the unknown kalinovsky book is on the table and even two . why are you interested in this historical figure in 2020. here we are constantly coming back, and now in 2020 in march 2020 . presentation of a book by an employee of the belarusian editorial office of radio liberty took place in minsk which was dedicated to korenovsky. it was called korenovsky and e. natsu the structure of belarus is how the belarusian nation was built, and i took this book. it was distributed free of charge at the presentation. i read there that e is root.

i gave the main commandment to the geopolitical commandment, er, to the belarusian society, that the main enemy is the muscovite. russia is the main threat to belarus. to be honest, i'm up to this wonderful book. i read something about kalinovsky, but we have about klinovsky, unlike belarus in school textbooks they don’t write, and that’s why i had such ideas in general, well, there was a revolutionary, probably a good person. uh, he fought for the peasants. here, and here i read that here is the main enemy - this is a mascara. i think, well, you need to figure it out somehow, i began to read, and i am an archivist by education. this leaves a very big imprint. in fact, because you always look not at the interpretation, but at the documents. where did what come from? i've looked and e saw that in fact the image. eh, kalinovsky, he is based on some very strange rigging, yes, in soviet times

, where the muscovite was there they replaced it with the king, which means that they will fix it there, that means they will tint it. and how does it look in the archives in the archives? well, first of all, you need to look. uh, what documents are published next, you need to look at the language of their publication. re-, e, it is desirable to see. hey, what do they really look like? i worked. for the last two years, since i began to study the topic of korenovsky. i worked in the archives of poland, russia, lithuania, and even documents were sent to me from ukraine. well in belarusian it is written in a telegram, it looks like i don’t know, no, no, it was already crossed out in publications. and just the documents need to be raised in order to understand in the book that is printed there, relatively speaking, in 89. they printed the documents correctly there, or they did something with it, as a rule, they didn’t do something very good with this document,

that’s in the process of everything. i saw that in general, of course, the unfortunate konstantin kalinovsky must. eh, they were bullied a lot. yes, that is, here's a person changed nationality mocked at his portraits. it's good that he hasn't changed gender yet. like now, well, then it was not yet not in trend, there were no belarusians in the corridor. no, of course, he was not a pole, he is a pole. here, i just found, in fact, a unique source, which, uh, no one has seen yet, and i presented it just a few days ago at the institute of history of the national academy of sciences . and i found a real prison pisanovskiy. no what we know, uh brothers. yes, brothers, my men are relatives, only then you, uh, so you will live well when there is no masquerade over you , this is all that in e was considered the last letter when i learned that the king, when there will be no, well, that's right. this is in the

original, so this original is in the national library in warsaw, the funds, and there is a muscovite, it is published, so here it is, where there will be no muscovite. eh, so this is just not a real letter from the hang, and i also proved it, but i found the real one. it is written in polish and is in the lithuanian state historical archives . its original, but it is written. that's very bad handwriting. uh, addressed to the beloved of the korenovsk sea. yaman dated this whole case from march 6, a few days before he was executed, signed with the name konstantin e, that is, this real document that he writes to her. i don't want to die. no, he writes very sentimental to maria how we did not live long for each other for a few moments, and fate divided us for a long time and why for our love for

others. oh god, did you give us your mind and love for your neighbor so that for this we tortured and ripped out our lives. well, and so on. that is, there is actually a very sentimental thing, there is none there, but the geopolitical and commandments are somehow going on there. it is quite possible that the author of the geopolitical commandment was even a completely different person; no, he was the author of the geopolitical record, it is another matter that this record. e was not written to him not in prison. the thing is , i found it. uh, in addition to everything else, there is also an inventory of the kollinovsky apparatus. no one knows, but they had a normal office work. that is, here they were inventories, current records, inventories, incoming records, where they assigned numbers, so, uh, incoming letters , outgoing records, yes, in fact there is a normal normal office work. this is how we were

taught business at the time in the history of the archival institute. so, their production was at a good quality level, and thanks to these descriptions e, we can establish when that very letter, where the muscovite will no longer be, when it was actually written, and it was written even before korenovsky's arrest in december 1963 . this is established from the inventory absolutely exactly, because as it is now in the warsaw library under e, along with letters under e, numbers 160 e, 4.165 166, incoming documentation numbers. so it is still so it lay with korenovsky in package number 16, it is described there along with the same documents. that is, this is actually such a fantastic thing for me, it turns out that more than 150 years have passed. and how did they put these documents together in prikolinovsky in one package. so they are still in the same place. already in the library of alexander

dyukov, they would have lain for another 150 years. well, those who lie in warsaw and their historians already know belarusian historians. if memory serves, kasberuk found them back in 1980. and here, and the real letters from under the gallows, of course, they would still lie, because in the lithuanian state archive, the case that i looked at, but no one e knew, and uh, no one ever paid attention to it, no one no one opened it. you presented themselves said that this book of historians was belarusian, as they perceived, well, the discussion was stormy, but because, of course, the idea of ​​​​kolyanovsky, which was formed back in soviet times, but they dominate over belarusian colleagues much more than over me because you are destroying a very powerful myth. or maybe alexander, he published the truth of the peasants and handed over the truth of the people. thank god, at least

something sacred. the main misconception is this. yes, we believe that korenovsky published the peasant truth, and he wrote what he thought, but first, he wrote, uh, not from himself. yes, if you remember there, but it is written in the peasant pravda, as in the last e letter from the podshibenitsa, yask, the lord from the mobile. yes, he wrote here a fictional character. and it wasn't a pseudonym. kyaska, gentlemen from mobile and korenovsky are completely different people in all their characteristics. actually. he 's just wondering that already 100 years ago 50 years ago there was legend. yes, it's a myth. well, as it were, what was not the only case, uh, actually for the belarusian lingual polish propaganda of that time. it was rather the norm of an invention of such a character, from whom the story comes out in 602. uh, such, then, uh, propaganda pamphlet. uh, illegal of course it was called dying. the agreement of the

hermit peter and, in it, the conversation was on behalf of the elder, who is 140 years old. and here he is, uh , dying on the edge of the grave, which means, uh, he is telling his descendants that it is necessary to fight the muscovites, by the way, saying, uh, from what he said, there was born there in terms of content, at least a few rooms muzhik truth that is, here it is, narration, a propaganda narration on behalf of a fictional character, and who, moreover, will die now, and therefore his words are given more importance here, but well, for the propaganda of that time, it was very sophisticated, by the way, and it was the norm. well , listen to this life. and in general, they remember your life in those days. even

propaganda was at this level, and, at least in relation to e-e poland, they knew how, as e we have. uh, they didn’t know how, even close, because they cut it out, that’s when kalinovsky and the belarusians, well, uh, the victims of the terror of the rebels in the sixty-third year in belarus, uh, according to official data, about 600 people. last year we decided to name these people what is called by name and began, uh, according to the archives, uh, uh, published materials, to look for specific data, that means, who, where, when? how they live, what their name means, when they killed him, what kind of family he had, and so on, the whole array, uh, that could be obtained. here we are called by name 452 people, most of them are peasants, there are different people by nationality there. uh,

russian poles, jews, latvians, lithuanians, various people. a german, in my opinion, one is coming. well, the majority, of course, are belarusians. but this is, of course, since, after all, on belarusian territory, the second, probably, uh, lithuanians out of 600 people killed. we know 450 by name. that's actually it. i think that in the near future we will increase the number a little, and since we continue archival research. and we will probably name about 500 by name. it's very important before before we started this work of these uh names. in general , the warsaw library was not allowed in the public space. i really, e, love the warsaw library, including for one simple

reason . such as you have in belarus when they really put us under lock and key, which means that a police car drove under my window, which shouted do not leave the houses because of the microphone, that means, uh, she drove under the windows and that means she was screaming at this time when i received scanned documents at my request from the warsaw library. i just had happiness, you were ready to kiss everything from everyone. i don’t know such cases, i don’t know about this pole, well, polish archivists. i am, without a doubt, ready to kiss. i will ask you an unexpected question in the finale, but to take out or lenin if we are in the mausoleum is not a question for me, and i would have left it. what for? why take out? let it lie, in this case, it doesn't bother anyone. we have a number of some people who are asking to be taken out. but it seems to me that in this

case, er, when a person has already found, at the very least, his generation. let him uh revisions of personalities. yes, well, in particular klinovsky. yes , we are asking different things, because uh, you got a little bit confused, but because it is not good to touch on the storage of a person in one case. in my opinion. yes, where the person was buried. let him lie there, but another thing is uh talk about who the person was. and how do we evaluate it now that's the past, well, in fact. yes, there is a grave, and it is at the level of 2 m underground. yes, there i found my repentance. this is if he has an audit every couple of months, well, the doctors are looking after, well, what are you, so that it doesn’t go wrong? it is for the opponents of the authorities. he is always

such as an object for manipulating the consciousness of the public so that if nothing happens or vice versa, something happens. immediately you grab grandfather lenin and say that this misfortune has befallen, because lenin has not yet been interred . i once wrote about myself in a blog that vladimir ilyich is our last reserve of erotic power. so, when something happens, it means especially terrible , and then i will endure it, they set him on grandfather. lenin's countless hordes of enemies, they will assume that even now we are burying and doing a hat, no, in fact. here, well, ukraine fought with monuments. lenina so what? yes , if it didn’t help, but briefly, the demolition in riga didn’t surprise you, i’ve been watching latvia for too long, what’s surprising in this in general, 10 years back. i became persona non grata in this wonderful country. by the way, for the

exhibition about belarusian children who were stolen in latvia who are in the position of slaves. yes, demand arose in the boiler room, which then remained there and became non-citizens. that is, they were, uh, repressed actually twice. that's why, well, i know who, for example, so, uh, is now in power, and president levita is a person who went through the latvian gymnasium in münster, who was supervised by the organization of veterans of the ussr daoga from vanaki and in particular. uh, oversaw the case, uh, such a person, i'm not associated. some time ago, in russia, he became very famous, because he is the executioner of a tin slide. here we recently did not die, tin, slides were installed. so he killed people there in the tin hill of the novgorod region, just i was not quoted and this person, which means, firstly, he oversaw this münster gymnasium, where he studied for the current president,

and, secondly, he is a relative of the current security adviser the president of the mister, but it seems to be a niche. here it's a security advisor. here he is, in my opinion, two yuri, grandfather on the one hand, of course, hard. you said that it was very difficult for you emotionally to deal with, but the books that are statute of limitations, about which we began to talk and er, on the other hand, are easy, because , well, nothing surprises you. it is possible to formulate it this way. alexander unfortunately , our greatest regret, our broadcast time has expired. we are forced to say goodbye to you, but we will, uh, take a promise that you will sensations, do not apply to us to look, and we will discuss all those issues that did not have time. unfortunately, to discuss today, good luck tatyana shcherbina victoria popova we say goodbye to you today. goodbye. goodbye. and now alexander dyukov has been speaking for almost 15 years. uh, i regularly come to

belarus, i work regularly. eh, in the belarusian archives i am friends with belarusian archivists and historians, and for me belarus really is a part of my life. uh, i hope that e belarus belarus will always remain a peaceful country, and e, it will never go through the trials that its neighbors and us russia and ukraine have to go through now. it is

easy to explore belarus only from the report of our trip. xviii century. the palace would be worth it just to make a list of places that you want to visit and set off on the path, the naturalist built not just a house. he raised not even chekhov's cherry trees, but not ashamed of this word, the real paradise apple garden landscapes of complete thoughtfulness and sadness enchant even the most fastidious travellers. and if there is no such opportunity, the city of belarus is what you need, but for now

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