theologians i was responsible, responsible for the volunteers collected volunteers, participating in the excavation of volunteers. i took my son with me last year, the year before last, even my wife and daughter were digging. how did i find this bronze age encampment. like a face. now, if you look at the very molehills here, where the mole dug the earth. and here now on these crocks. an experienced eye is not afraid of this word can determine, here is a piece of ceramics. here is a piece of ceramic again, here is silicon. flakes here, let's say here this piece is clearly visible. here are traces of a certain ornament, that is, aesthetics

were always present 5,000 years 6,000 years ago, humanity has always loved beauty. an experienced specialist who would pick up, now this piece of ceramics, he would determine what culture, he would date. this is an occasion for excavation. what else would you like to tell about archeology. when you immerse yourself in this science, when you especially participate in excavations, you begin to understand that e is real. well, i can say this about myself. here's a real myself patriotism. let's say for me. yeah, uh, it's taking the time to explore your native land. maybe it sounds like something. eh, well, not exactly pathos there. as it should sound, it may be the opposite, but i think so.

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properties. these are antioxidants. and the same pectin. watch the health program on belarus 24 tv channel. today we are preparing a very tasty hearty and high-calorie dish. whom did you intrigue me here, like here at the mud volcano, there may be such a gurgle that can harm your entire kitchen. i used to be a cook making meatballs. and now i'm sitting at home giving everyone advice, i will to make lightly salted cucumbers for grandmothers. yes, moreover, with a lightly salted stalk. just raise your eyebrows . watch the culinary show belarusian cuisine on our tv channel. i am marzolyuk igor

alexandrovich chairman of the standing committee on education, culture and science of the house of representatives of the national assembly of the republic of belarus corresponding member of the national academy of sciences doctor of historical sciences professor. today i would like to talk about the importance of september 17 for all of us who live in the east of our country and in the west of our country. i want to today to talk about those important fundamental bonds and those ideas that unite our nation that the world order is good above and better than multiplying hatred and insults one by one hello on the air program. say don't be silent in the studio. popova and tatyana shcherbina and

igor marzok is our guest today, good afternoon. hello igor alexandrovich, we are very glad to see you again in our studio. our meeting is taking place on the eve of the national unity day. this is a new holiday. uh, just the second time we celebrate it and, well, let's say. uh, not everyone knows the essence of this holiday. and why exactly this date was chosen on september 17, but someone heard something that it was september 17, 1939. western belarus bssr reunited as well, but hmm 18 years our country. uh, the western part of it was under poland, so to speak. yes, one of my friends says. e. well, or poles would live near poland, look how well they live. what is it? why it was necessary to reunite about the concentration camp in the arthurian birch, he, of course, does not know anything, so that you tell such people. well, i would would advise them and paradise would and would advise. well, for starters, at least read, and if there was such a poem. larisa yenyush's nose was not half a centimeter russian but there was no e and

there was no soviet and sat in a zelva, who did not take a ussr passport was considered a citizen, benev until the last day, that is, she went through the camps and collaborated with collaborationist publications. so there is a book to spit, and which i wrote for myself, i don’t hope that it will ever be published, which was published after death. here you will read what he writes about polish order on these lands, as she evaluates the policy of poland, and nothing else is needed. the most important. we must simply remember that in order to understand why the seventeenth of september happened and for some reason acts of historical justice. we must remember about march 21 about the peace of riga about the fact that in riga we were divided without asking, not a single belarusian organization. there were no representatives of any political movements. they cut us alive, it came to that the border cut the village in half, part of the family was on the western

parts, another here and not a single political force, belarus communist anti-communist did not perceive the riga peace treaty and all belarusian political figures on both sides of the border believed that this was a temporary border. moreover, i just want to remind you that from 1921 to 1925 that is practically almost 6 years. since the signing of the riga peace, a stubborn bloody guerrilla war has been going on in western belarus. yes , the national liberation movement was very strong, well, until the age of 25 they fought with weapons in hand. partisan detachments were all over western belarus, the poles arranged the regime. uh, facifications, punitive expeditions were, that is, these things, but every year, and with the situation of the belarusian worsened, therefore. well, let's say, if i'm not mistaken, now, in my opinion, there were five gymnasiums at the

time, belarusian lightning and 400 schools, and on september 17, thirty-ninth, zero for an incomplete year by the academic year of the forty-forty- first year was created on the territory of western belarus now i'm a little bit accurate to the school will not give you a figure, but more than 5.000. and more than 4.700. these were belarusian pagans. it's literally instant. most of the land fund. it belonged to the state and the polish landowners , the poles, who distinguished themselves as legionnaires during the polish soviet war with central poland, and moved our rats to a gangway, as they said, and endowed them with landless land and little land. this is the scourge of the belarusian peasant, confessional discrimination, what happened? it is clear that if a priest or aksion wrote you a birth certificate for belarusian language were brought to criminal responsibility for falsifying documents. there is no such language, but in principle. the difference between the national policy of poland in western

belarus in western ukraine from the national policy that was in the soviet union there were the republic of the bssr and in the ussr there was the institutionalization of the belarusian and ukrainian language. there they created an elk, a national school, national personnel, and in the bssr and in the ussr, belarusians occupied the most important key positions, they had the opportunity to the social network sanctions to the political career. in poland, all this was not the poles adopted such a law, according to which to be elected and to be elected. why was there no parliament already in the thirties, if i'm not mistaken, the electoral law was adopted in 28, you should either be higher or have a specialized secondary education. you have to be either a civil servant, or brush values, in fact. uh, such a framework was made in which absolutely the absolute majority could not get discrimination on the basis of confession. ah, the polish state signed the secret

agreement with the vatican. that is, it is not some kind of cryptology. these are real documents, according to which it was proclaimed that, as before for centuries, the main mission is now. poland as a catholic state promoting catholicism. east of here, the concept is not e unia from here. uh, the rivendelland regime is something like this, when the former unian churches, which had already been orthodox for 100 years or more, were already selecting all the orthodox. that's all it is. here the background is not very pleasant. i if someone thinks that and they tied up the sausage and this door is deeply mistaken that my ancestors, uh, i myself project in september. and i am a westerner by father and an easterner by mother, and we are far away from my family. it is of columns from konechsky, that is, all my male half of this cart crawl up the table all the districts of the minsk region. all my paternal relatives on the maternal side, the surname is tambubny, they are

all with great love, the second bald man is the nesvizh region. but, well, i remember the saying from childhood. and kolya iron tsarum drank tea with a pie. i came to the poles began to eat and troyaki bread, black and white non-yaki. that is, this is a saying, but these things need to be remembered. well, you need to remember that that's all i said, all this discrimination is humiliation, but political persecution. yes, only because you sympathized with the communists, and, in my opinion, they gave communists up to 5 years, so when we talk about these things. and we must take these things into account and remember one more thing. let everyone remember that western belarus became part of the bssr and nowhere, either this is a result or a directed tense national liberation struggle, which on the territory of western belarus did not subside for a single year, for a single day, for more than one month, and the government of soviet belarus of the bssr constantly understood this and constantly, as they

say, kept a hand in the way, you can talk about it for a long time, the fact remains a fact. and this is a complete illusion that they were simply given away mechanically. and this can only be said by those people who do not understand, we were one grandfather advancing, uh, in the columns of the red army. as the officer says the doctor, it means that he is mobilized vitebsk the veterinary institute graduated from the communist of the kirov conscription in the thirty-fourth year, and my second was set by brown. moreover, at the age of 16, the second managed to stay in e-e, go on a campaign to e, warsaw in the army of tukhachevsky , then retire from there, and then partisan, then listen to the polish army , then go to france to earn money for the farm to return, and well he had a saying from and to eat. eh, gray pole, he is better to people, that is, polish nationalism, insults, humiliation, these are the things that were. well, about the army of the region, orthodox belarusians told not at all complimentary to you a

philosophical question to ask, but this is a desire. you, like history, answered yourself to the self-determination of belarusians. it when it appeared it can be said exactly when the concept of the belarusian national idea appeared, the demand for belarusian statehood for the belarusian people, without which the belarusian nation cannot develop self-sufficiently. this is the eighties of the nineteenth century this the activities of the belarusian populists in lomonosov who published, by the way, in russian , the magazine woman, who relied on the best democratic forces in the russian empire, including the best russian democratic forces, because they were populists. and they had close contact with the russian narodnaya volya, so they dreamed that when the russian empire collapsed, a united state of europe would arise on its ruins, and in these united states of europe, uh, the russian empire would have its own belarusians

state, moreover, what is the main thing in these proclamations there is also a letter from danila borovik, everywhere the attention was focused on the fact that belarusians are a separate self-sufficient people independent according to their culture, the tradition, therefore, here is the starting point for you from the eightieth year of the nineteenth century well, this is the first moment the second key moment is symbolic about this at one time, when the belarusian state universities went to the anniversary conference, dedicated to this sign, the event was the centenary of the entire belarusian congress, which took place in the yankee theater, kupala in the winter and december 1917. and this is the second most important moment, when all the entire belarusian elite was there , and in overcoats from academic degrees from all over belarus , torn apart at that time, the frontal gathered in minsk, by the way, belarusian politicians. yes, they did a very good job there, and in the center of decision-making in the people's feed with lenin and stalin and the leaders of the world proletariat. what

belarusian nationalists don't like to talk about is 50,000 rubles for this congress. the focus is that from the moment of its organization, the belarusian national movement practically did not know xenophobia, because, well, in the metro samuil blew a fin, that is, but a hair, here, which created our real classy niva, they were some kind of imitation. here is this great tradition, he is generally a great russian by origin, who came here to engage in barging, and as a result he began to engage in the belarusian national revival of such characters. eh, it would be possible to bring quite a lot already, therefore, uh, a distinctive feature of the belarusian national project, what curious what doesn't end? nothing like here. well, map of the pole, this is a hot issue today. let's listen to what the minister of the interior, ivan kubrakov, said at a recent meeting with the president, probably, a proposal was made that citizens

who have belarusian citizenship and acquire citizenship of another country must inform the competent authorities, as well as those citizens who have any or benefits in the territory of another state. now i'm talking about the pole's map and other documents in without fail, so that they inform the competent authorities of the republic of belarus without fail. to date, the unity is being worked out the issue of introducing responsibility in case of failure to inform the competent authorities of the republic of belarus about obtaining citizenship, or some kind of preferential documents on the territory of other countries. what can i say here? uh? i want to remind you that all these cards are still the pole's card. there is a map, a hungarian, yes, let's say a number of others. uh between uh, in my opinion, the venice commission, conducted international legal expertise. and here, in my opinion, not sanctions. i may be wrong now. i don’t remember exactly. the point is that the card of the pole was not recognized by us, and long

before all these things, when we were calm about this, it was relatively recognized as discree. not a document that does not comply with the norms of international law, which grossly violates the sovereign right of one state or another. in this case, it was not only about belarus, because polyakov’s map was given not only in belarus. and the only map here is one that corresponded to all international criteria and did not violate the sovereignty of, let's say, the country where the card was issued, this is the hungarian card. there she had several, except for the map polyakov already forgot, there are other maps. and therefore, these things are very simple - this is double loyalty, that is, e seems to be our citizen, but not quite our citizen, so we do not discriminate against anyone, but in any case, you should report these things. this is fine. you just have to know that the person has received

a rugged national polish passport. well it’s not exactly called citizenship, but at the same time, he has a lot of these references , which is a normal thing, because, well, there is always a certain thing. we had practically no restrictions, including security clearances and clearances for certain types of activities, of course, therefore, well, these are the rules and what about all these things? what is a pole card? this is the dream of that interwar polish arcadia, uh, and this is an application for citizens of our country from stress in the gangway, as they call western, belarus. i just i want to remind you that well, these things are not very good. at one time, i heated up very intensively for the creation of a belarusian map. and even for some such things, because well, if you compare our law on compatriots and theirs, we have more than a politically correct law on third countries, perhaps something could be

strengthened here, but we leave it's out of bounds. there is the competence of the ministry of foreign affairs. this may be a field of very broad discussion. that's the only thing i want to say is that again, coming back with those thirty-ninth year. we just have to remember that not for the non- polish population, but for the majority of the belarusian population, september 17, 1939 in 1939 was the holiday of liberation, it was one of happiness, uh, with flowers and baked bread, belarusians met. and most importantly, but i forget that for us the thirty-seventh year of western belarus is still an approved directive and an approved plan of the ministry of the interior of poland, e, the prospects for internal siege. the fact is that the poles, when they strangled us, when already in in the 1930s there were no schools or political organizations of the belarusian hromadu. they destroyed the belarusian rabotanskaya sessional most massive party in the twenties, and so they conducted closed

sociological research for themselves without lying. in two regions. all of these documents have been deposited. in the polish archives, they are available on request. the polish took the williams branch, the oshmyany region, where there were catholics, the overwhelming majority, and they took it. uh, another region where e orthodox was the predominant majority is the region of baranovichi and polesie here this is what turned out to be, that is, they studied the strengthened polish national condition. strengthened, the polish national identity, which determines whether it is here or not, and sadly stated that it was spinning not strengthened even in the catholic region, something out of 57 villages or seventy- five. now i don’t remember from memory, but the point is that even in the catholic part there are only five villages. uh, polish, national identity was recognized as quite strong , successful and self-sufficient, and with surprise it was konstantin that, despite everything weighs this disk is rotting belarusian national self

-consciousness, only intensified and for them it was a disaster. and no matter how they found it, they developed a plan for the internal wasp. if it were not for the thirty-ninth year, if many people say, but if you dream up, if it were not for the thirty-ninth year, and the poles would have at least 5 more years, they planned according to this plan. i don’t know why we don’t publish this document widely, the brest historian alexander vobshchemevich, who defended one of the best doctoral dissertations in his time on colonization of the belarusian people, found this document in the polish archives and published his doctoral dissertation and monograph published so, according to the plans, the prospect of internal equestrianism. the poles planned to resettle us in small groups dispersed throughout central poland , and in central poland to bring and plant ethnic poles in our villages, you know how many 6 million were supposed to come? and

to evict the belarusians, how much the figure was at least, and according to the calculations of the ministry of internal affairs, about 60% , in my opinion, 56 and 7 tenths should have been ethnic poles in these territories in order to eliminate the threat of polishness. e edge, and in order to forever connect it with poland, that is, we should not have been, you understand, there is a murder. and there is what is called nacelocide or ethnocide, this is when they don’t kill you, and as a result, the forced assimilation of a generation gap, the destruction of the traditional system of settling through the school , deprives the language, loses self-consciousness or deprives the culture. that was all the belarusian ranks. and as for the birch with potatoes, it was made by the poles of the first such, a let's say the educational institution in quotation marks, about which there was a dachau. they went there to see how the system was. wounds, how to do

all this correctly, by the way, the guards who worked out their birch card had an unspoken circular of the minister of the interior more, and they didn’t take an ordinary human to the police service after they graduated, they were all very sociopaths, psychopaths and sadists it's a shame that our maharas continue to pour water on this mill. today, playing along with these pole cards at the invitation of students. igor alexandrovich, we will discuss this topic after a short pause. unfortunately, now we will interrupt for a while, but soon we will return to the studio and continue our interesting conversation. we are in touch. can i get a divorce without the consent of my spouse? i changed my mind, i don’t want to get married at all, especially.

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a new subject of the history of belarusian statehood has appeared in the education system. it replaced the history of belarus or a separate subject. we've done the process. it was started and successfully completed at the time under the minister of education igor vasilyevich karpenko , the reform of the social and humanitarian block of higher education. as a result, there will be three mandatory basic disciplines for everyone who studies at independent universities. what he imports history belarusian statehood, modern political economy and philosophy. here are three disciplines, there are special elective courses. well, these three are for everyone the history of belarusian statehood according to its plan. it was not supposed to repeat the history of belarus. we normally study the history of belarus in high school using normal textbooks and, in order to avoid repetition, at the same time focus on the most important landmark

key moments associated with a clear understanding of when the belarusian statehood arose. what belarusian state tradition. what stages did the development of the state system of our lands go through? we have created this tutorial. it is almost out of circulation now. here's what i'm thinking about when it comes out. it will already be in universities, circulation. as far as i know 4.500. why 4 1/2? because many we thought it was less than two to two and a half thousand, but very large orders went to him, which means that the book is gorgeously illustrated, done as it should be with a methodological apparatus and consists of three sections. first section main steps the development of statehood on the belarusian lands from the strip and turovo with all the stops to the republic of belarus, the second second is an innovative book of such a teaching aid. we did not have. this is the first manual given to a sovereign independent country on the history of the belarusian state, the second

section is devoted to the history of state institutions. that is, the legislative executive judiciary. if we write about the president, then we analyze the origins and the institution of the head of state in our land , that is, the prince of his function and before of the president of the country, taking into account the specifics of the soviet top leadership, not excluding all these points, if we are writing about the parliament, then we start from the evening and with all the stops until today's parliament, if we are talking about constitutional acts, i am the constitution, then we start with russian pravda pravda polotskaya with all our statutes, including with all soviet constitutions, we analyze russian legislation, which was in relation to us even before our referendum. that is, everything is brought. we also did brainstorming sessions very powerfully, the month of may and june we worked out more than 200 comments. this is the most reviewed and the most verified and the most

popular textbook, because we drove through the dialogue platforms. we studied critically that you didn’t bring only there with my notes we will show, if you need a third section, that is, the second section is all about power, about the institutions of power, legislative, judicial, executive, and the third section. eh, belarus we have such a civilization of culture, it was possible. to call belarusian studies this ethnic all theories of origin belarusians, scientific, of course. this is a clear understanding of how the term belaya rus arose, how it became decisive, how this term was fixed for the entire territory of our country. this is the ethnic structure of the country, a confessional structure, that is, ethnic formations, when the jews appear, when the tatars appear, when the gypsies appear, that is, all this is clearly concise. it is clear only in the library or it will be possible to purchase and it is not yet evening, because, besides this, the first edition. i think that we

will both supplement and rework. except in addition, we, uh, in general, this book is a three-part edition. now we are intensively working on an anthology both on the history of the belarusian statehood and on an atlas on the history of the belarusian state. we talked about this book at the club of editors. recently we listened to tatyana and the question we have is schoolchildren. we are left without us secondary special educational institution will receive its textbook in a year, that is, more concise more compact adapted to secondary specialized educational institutions, that is, the school version will be aha at school. there in basically they teach just uh, what is called after all? history? belarus a, but besides everything, a schoolboy already i am a man of the playground of the minsk region. we talked about, uh, these things, too . first of all, well, the material for such a special course or optional

course is still being prepared, let's see how it will be prepared. we will prepare a practical layout for the manuscript on the history of symbols and state symbols, when during the open lesson the president repeatedly addressed you, you were present there. yes, and you conducted a kind of educational program, let's call it so it was amazing to look at the people who are there young people who seem to be. well, the best of the best, they should know the history and they should also know about the symbols. you told them all this, and well, it was clear that many of them were hearing this for the first time. well they read about it somewhere. the point is that, unfortunately, despite the fact that textbooks we had very good figures of soaking with the best of intentions, there were things that we didn’t say, for example, when we talked about a crime against the belarusian people. we did not focus on the mechanisms of genocide. and the one who implemented them not only on the germans, but also on their

abilities. we kind of left. this is from the soviet tradition. we did not focus on who burned khatyn, who destroyed our settlement to fill the community. we didn’t say anything particularly about the bloody terror of the regional army in western belarus, and not only after the forty-fourth year, but all the way in the second half of 43-44 years before the bagration operation. and what i’m saying is facts are documents that are stored in archives, that is, we did not emphasize that we should be so kind and tolerant, so as not to offend anyone, but not me, again i say, there is no need to be afraid of this. we don't offend. peoples. we are talking about certain groups with a nationalist far-right ideology of hateful people of the century, which sought to destroy belarusians and belarusianness in our ethnic lands. and if someone beats the tambourines, he talks about his national pain. moreover, they do not see the pain that he inflicted on a neighbor, then this is

at least unethical. they are humanely not christian, therefore, we must hear everyone, but do not forget about our pain about our own and remember that we remember we are a nation of heroes and we are a nation of martyrs. this is true. we must not darken now. uh, we don't have to understand what there's a very important subtle thing about here. uh, facet, we shouldn't like and we ain't never done this before. let's not make the past the present. hopefully we won't do it in the future. we will never incite national hatred among our citizens. this is the road to nowhere. and we never imagine such things allowed, but we will tell the truth, including about the events of the last war, and about those crimes and those criminals who committed criminal acts in our territory that do not have a statute of limitations, these things need to be understood, i will never identify polish people with everyone. uh, by the way, let's hear

your results regarding the poles and the national ones, please. question we had both cultural interpenetration and supra there were no superprocesses and there were supral feats of arms for years. what exactly are the prophets of private belarusians at once with traffic jams or thick and ukrainians and at once with traffic jams from scientists polyakov a. the order was made on the grunwald field, and not only on the vrungel field can the army of lyudov and polyakov kizmakhalisiv prevail. genuine polyakova at once on the march or near berlin with the red army. this is dachshund we are dust. we remember all this, the belarusians have not forgotten about it, and our human cultural fuss to lie and break maxim with any non-political agenda, any plans, any nationalistic xenophobic mouse palette. well, look, and in connection with this, such a question. and

after all, ukrainians and russians also have a common history and had common victories and, in general, culture , someone could have imagined that something like this would happen, what is happening, you know for me this war. i repeat, only for me. this is cain. this is brother's murderous war. yes this war could have been avoided, at least it was necessary to fulfill the minsk agreements, at least it was necessary to fulfill what was adopted in 2014, and at least. i think that if there had been thoughtful steps before, and if there had been political responsibility or on both sides this could have been avoided, and the most disgusting thing is that this is observed when the fact of the existence of the ukrainian people is denied, when it is not about some there.

let's just say the nazi nationalists, and when something is declared, a fictitious people, a fictitious nation, a fictitious state. this is chauvinistic rudeness, it only deepens the lines of division and, well, and, accordingly, on the other hand. we see no less, to put it mildly , a scientific statement in quotation marks that this is the horde. what are the mongoloids? it's about russians that they are asians, but uh, you know, uh, the degree of hatred is ultra-nationalist rhetoric. it ca n't be justified, but because for me that's for me. that’s how a professional historian for me is an unambiguous fact, and that we were all baptized in the dnieper, that we all have a single civilizational stock that kievan rus for all of us is like the carolingian empire for western europe from there all civilizational matrices, and we follow these

civilizational matrices, even those who deny them from that, we live almost to this day this despite the fact that, again, i am deeply convinced that there are three proud self-sufficient very close to each other, but at the same time three are not one, but 13 not one people, but three peoples and so far respect, including an understanding of history culture and identity in belarus , ukraine will not be the ur-russian political elite of the world as gifts, there will be no need to find things to understand, what was the strength of the ussr, what was the strength of lenin's politics? and the policy that yes, with certain, let's say, distortions, but continued the same stalin supported every nationality . the soviet union was no russian empire. the soviet union became a superpower precisely because the core of the most important national policy of the bolsheviks was adopted

in 21. this was the so-called conization policy. this was lenin's absolutely conscious position in the elite. e of the soviet union to create a national form of statehood for and so there were 15 republics 15 sisters. then they said it was an absolutely real thing. and exactly. that's why we won that war, because everyone, fighting on the fronts of partisan detachments, fighting for a common homeland for the ussr, at the same time fought for his national home, where he felt quite confident and good, despite including the political repressions that took place just do not, what is called, uh, well, exaggerate. uh, you need to be honest in this regard, but at the same time, here i read the work, there is such a rainer leader. uh, a german historian, and he showed how it worked during the years of occupation. like this

worked like belarusian posters, the oath of a partisan, manuals, brochures, how it worked, e, in the rear of the germans, and how it worked on the fronts of the ussr, it was an attractive center for all colonial and post-colonial countries, and that is why the ussr for the first time in the history of the eastern slavs of such a role of such power, which the soviet union had thanks to its international policy thanks to. e. these things are universal. most importantly, what was not. there, not from the age of 21 until 1991, with all the nuances of the existence of all peoples. in the soviet union, you will not find a single official boorish statement on the part of the communist authorities of the cpsu that there is no belarusian nation or there is no ukrainian nation, or any other nation. such things were not allowed by a very clear

national policy. go to vdnkh, i really love it when i talk, when they talk about concepts at the level, images and signs of the national policy of the communist ussr. go to vdnh and see how this book is reflected in this showcase, and the ninety-first year showed that it is very quickly everyone ran for the grass. uh, unfortunately, unfortunately, we, unfortunately, did not have an understanding, uh, of the importance of changing economic policy. were there different factors, so well, no, we understand, history does not know the word this inclination the soviet union disappeared, but without the soviet union there would be no modern belarusian national statehood. there would not be that economic basis and it would not be possible to come within the borders that we have in this regard , sooner or later, by the way, serious scientists, but regardless of nationality anglo-sections. they are poles and ukrainians. uh, they write in a completely different way than they write fighting ahitkah,

there are nationalists of all stripes and that's it. the rest , understanding the importance of this, because for the first time , truly without discounts, the ukrainian language became the state language in the ukrainian soviet socialist republic. now let's take a short break. then we will continue our fascinating conversation. subscribe to our telegram channel, and watch all our episodes on the youtube channel, belarus 1. on the air , say, don't be silent, and igor is our guest marzolyuk, and we promised to discuss our fugitives, igor aleksandrovich. there is no agreement there now, but it’s a surprise for you or not, but no, of course, the trouble is the belarusian position, even that normal adequate one that did not bite and was not going to engage in terrorist attacks and pogroms. uh, so these are those who dream of blood. i ca n't call them opponents of the authorities. these are

criminals for me, the opponent of the authorities is the one who does not accept the current political system, criticizes it and at the same time offers his own version of an alternative future development strategy. and i can disagree with her and i can argue to the point of hoarseness. well, i won’t take off this person, they said, he won’t take off me, and we will shake hands, and those who dream of destroying garbage cans , e infrastructure of the belarusian murders on the streets of minsk and others. cities the one who really set fire to, that's all for me, he is a criminal. he is for me a person who has embarked on everything possible. and the most important abomination in all this is that these bastards want a civil war. here for me, the biggest sin, the biggest crime, is the murder of a belarusian. belarusian. this is when you consciously want our people to become such a white africa, so that we take up arms and start killing one of these guys. we won't let you, as far as the amnesty is concerned. uh, i'll just

listen to the attorney general here, but i think there's one clear line if you've committed a crime. serious serious crime, if you inflicted injuries on employees of the internal affairs bodies, if you betrayed your homeland , collaborated with special services, if you tried to carry out some terrorist attacks, or was in this criminal group in the group of autohovich. here are all of these, if from my point of view, forgiveness can be only in one case, when they sit for a certain amount of time and correct everything. let's hear what the attorney general has to say about this. andrey shved, all the people who committed the crime are connected with extremism, those who encroached on our state, those who raised their hands against law enforcement officers. they can go free, but first of all, only those who repent, who realized and who considers it possible to turn to our president with a request for a

pardon. well, he believes that in this case we are talking about those people who are already in places that are not so remote, according to which there is a legal verdict of the court, who served a certain part of the term. and if they really repented. this is very remorseful. it's not for us to understand now. uh, the right to amnesty is the head of state, there are patriots who are directly opposed. no, i'm saying that we should just include one very important moment. and if a person released under an amnesty continues to work through and it turns out that this is false, not sincere. well. he will leave, what is called in the opposite direction does not contradict what i said? i believe that far from everyone will be satisfied with the request for amnesty, and it is very important here that if you are serious or especially serious, then the president

makes a decision and you must admit your guilt. and you must write this appeal addressed to the head of state without admitting your guilt, because you were hurt by that you really committed this criminal act. they can’t eat during a meeting with natalya kochanova alexander lukashenko asked her what the people were saying? let's listen. so you're pretty much just being held with people and phones, uh, straight lines and the evil eye on the eye, what does it say ? i also met a lot. uh, lately uh with people. well, maybe not everyone will tell you how, so this is very important. i think that alexander grigoryevich will be interesting to hear from your lips. you are also very communicate with people, what the people say there are cardinal changes, including among the most critical, perceiving

our orders and our way of life into our reality, this is natural. youth, this is natural, student youth, and here it is very important that i have my own channels of communication, in which i am present somewhere, somewhere i am not present, but where they speak frankly. here i liked one, my boy from my favorite city of mogilev. he studied there in a parallel class with my son. they are both students today day. successful very student, successful family. and here he is about her, when they come to mogilev and mine and he they love, what is called wandering around the pechersk forest park, speculating about some lofty matters, uh, some kind of future strategy. and this guy said very well, how cool. i don't name names on purpose. rest. how cool that in the twentieth year the authorities survived. otherwise, maybe we wouldn't be able to

walk like this the other way. he had a fairly critical background. do you understand? many understand that thanks to the fact that the government has resisted, that the president has not faltered, we do not have a civil war. we do not have a situation, because the situation that exists in our southern neighbor. and this is the main referral for the belarusian people. you understand who you don't talk to. whatever topics you don’t talk about, anyway, sooner or later they slide into ukraine and people who , let’s say enough, can relate to our social realities in different ways. they are grateful precisely for the policy that the authorities are pursuing, because our people understand that the president is doing everything possible and impossible so that there is no war, therefore the most important thing is what our people are talking about so that there is no war more important than this today. belarusian trips are nothing. and this is the first point and

the second point is very important. i want to say, in these two years, the level of consolidation of society has not been in vain without exaltation without some of these things. well, i also travel through dialogue venues and communicate in different regions. here we are now connected by this action, just in september we are going, i am the rector academy of management and e danilovich and hygienists, and head of social science. yesterday they were in borisov advised. what we small towns will call. me, except for these trips that are agreed upon for us, what is called the three. e, i am very often invited to my native region and it is very difficult to find time, but i, uh, i will move out of the ivasipovichi district, but i still love at the district level at the level of the village council at street level. here is a direct contact of a person. by exchanging these opinions, it is our people who begin to

appreciate what they have and another example i’ll also give one student example, let ’s say i have a lot of such examples, taking into account the fact that my son is 20, yes, and one of his girlfriends. so she started to study at the bhu and continues, but she is part-time, and her father also sent her to study at dresden university, and she studied there for a year well, unlearned. everything when she arrived her friends. well on vacation now or friends, asked how there she said and more bureaucratic. more red tape than germany has not seen in order to issue a personal card is necessary. and how are you think, how many we have one day there 2 months for that, the money transferred from card to card takes 2 days, and our people have a lot of paper certificates. she says, we'll just go ahead of the federal republic of germany there, well, here's the household plan one and a half buildings ahead, you know, that is , ah, and it turns out that when even when

you have social insurance, when you are insured against sores and you have a sore throat and a high temperature, then i don’t come to you with an ambulance, you need to sit down and go there and wait. and these things know other examples, when people who live permanently in poland who did not run away, as fugitives once there, well, family circumstances left before this rebellion, when they encountered polish medicine during kaid when the branch pipes explained to them that shambarzania oleko appearance, the ischoroba is not cured, and therefore we will advise you by phone. well, no one will come to you either to you or to your child, who is suffocating with a temperature of 39, i don’t tell horror stories, i don’t say that belarus is paradise, but we look no worse, but somewhere much better. and as for social preferences, we don't want anyone there to talk too much. and yes, of course there is a problem, including

a social one, but the usual problem is what , for example, voters always complain about. they complain not about not about political research. housing and communal services of the road. parking entrances, all these things are in the foreground. well , you know what else i like, especially where people make good money. many are outraged when there are children with various diseases, operations that we cannot yet to do when people contacted me during the discussion of the constitution and said that maybe they say to make some kind of subtax or some kind of transfer, they say, it’s better we pay some kind of subtax or tax, or just transfer part of our trade union dues here on these things, because, well, you see, in the association of an average strong belarusian person who is used to living at his own expense does not like to live on credit. it's like

begging, but begging for a child's operation. i do not offend anyone, i say right away, i understand that such a situation exists, that, on the contrary, here people are trying to help those who donate too well done but this, eh. i often talk about our total awareness. i want to say that the most important thing that happened in 2 years. we began to appreciate the value of our country, the value of independence. we are proud of our tradition and we are very careful. we relate to the social world, we understand that not everything is possible. this is how those e over the hill are going crazy, how is it, it seems to be somewhere and sanctions, somewhere something has not changed for the better, and the rating of the cluster is growing and the most important thing is that we intercepted the trip after the entire belarusian meeting , now we don’t give it to anyone and implement it and , uh, our most important moment of our national

character of our national idea . this is a heightened craving for social justice. that is why polish historians at the end of the 19th century called belarus dobrus rus, belarus is a country of kind people and humanness. here. well, we must remember one thing. we are not our slaves tolerance and willingness to compromise. this is not a serbian, not a slave complex. we are people of agreement, we know how to negotiate, and we really and we always really want to make those promises. which we have taken upon ourselves, we will fulfill and that those who take it, so that they also fulfill, but we will never allow anyone too high a price , we paid for our lands, our country, our people, our nation and the future of our children, to be like was a toy in the wrong hands. it is for this that we need on september 17 our territorial integrity and understanding that belarus

- this is order in everything, this is a country with cornflower blue eyes, and this does not convey to me with anything the feelings that i experienced in 1994 , when, after an e-training in germany, i crossed the border. e in the region of brest and although i was full of german beer bought for gifts and everything else , brest beer only just appeared. yes, and that's nimble. uh, my aunt ran through with those bottles. do not know how. the frog hit where we were standing, and i still remember, i 'm rising in sandals, the sun is grass. native drink native air all the water is different here each other, and if we talk about the beauty of our e people, first of all, our women, believe me, any place in belarusian you are definitely western belarusian any, the village is ahead in terms of the beauty of female beauty to any

any capital of europe paris is resting in comparison with minsk and germany even more so, igor alexandrovich is very sorry that today, without poetry, we, as always, had little time. for this we have after the word. if you want to read and viewers of this topic shcherbinare. victoria dad. for today we say goodbye. goodbye. goodbye. and now says igor marlyuk, dear belarusian colleagues, dear purifiers, dear ones, who love their ukraine let's tire our poverty. let's be clear that belarus is not just a territory, it's a philosophy, it's our senses of the crew are based on our christian chests. you can't be sacred to yourself. she's

left-handed and hayday xviii will be remembered for the skin. i to the great great holy of ours the ethnicity of our past and the fact that belarus maya behind a thousand-year tradition of their history of culture and sovereignty. we are great the people we have, what is it to rummage about to drop, what is it to wave it for, what to realize in the future? about the life and work of the iconic representatives of the musical art of our country, music,

it has always caused an internal response. this is a sign of very talented serious composers, he felt the characters' characters very vividly and embodied his feelings with a specific sound. all information firsthand. if it were not for what it was, then i think that i would either write to introduce them to their activities and dispel the myths of a speck. this is such a soaring angel over our half-black forces, when he became the director of the operational theater, and this really interfered with us, because any theater. this is a very complex organism. watch

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