hello editors club on tv channels belarus 1 and satellite tv channel belarus 24 we will discuss the most important most interesting topic in the coming week what is being discussed in the country and in the world and immediately i will introduce the guests who came to us here today at makarenko 9 dmitry alexander zhuk head of the holding sat belarus today. e, marat markov e leaders for his second national tv channel oleg romanov , chairman of the republican public association belaya rus petr petrovsky

political analysts and vadim borovik. political analyst. good evening. thank you very much for coming, but the most recent thing that is being discussed today is that today is present in all news feeds, the head of state inspected certain types of weapons that our army has. that's just. we’ve been writing during the day, watching, literally reading together and discussing, but i propose now to discuss. well, firstly , from the general to the frequent president, he again said that we do not need any war in the media and their belarusian benefits. which is already many fortunately, not the media in our country, but it was interesting, of course, to listen and look at the weapons that were presented to the head of state. i think that not everything was shown to us, but what showed the interesting two components of what i saw were tanks and drones, as far as tanks are concerned. uh, as i understand it, to be a tank, but they need to be modernized. we've been talking t-72. yes , the basic e, the basic tank and all these types of

weapons show themselves well in the conflict that we are seeing e to the south of our country. the only thing, of course, need to be improved. as i understand it, there should be dynamic protection and better optics and night vision devices and so on. well, here's an interesting quote. i would like to imagine if the states, belarus corrected approaches to equipping troops, based on the experience of its russia in ukraine, the president told a journalist about this. the head of state replied that earlier there were large-scale plans to equip troops worth billions. dollars until 2030, but when the special operation began, its realities showed the need to adjust approaches. we can go very far by spending a lot of money, and alexander lukashenko noted that we would not achieve the result that we would like to achieve. experience has shown that the military prefers simpler, but modernized reliable equipment. well, just about what we were talking about, because there are many cases when the most modern fancy tank with various options fails and

the servicemen do not know what to do with them. in general, how is it? i think it's a very important thing. well, the trouble is, uh, next door to us. but it’s a sin to hide this misfortune, you need to take advantage and learn from the mistakes of others, because it’s better than, of course, learning from your own mistakes. and the fact that we are now, uh, adjusting our plans for armaments. this is a very important thing. let's start with you, if you will. well, let's start with a simple thing that the president has determined, this main message is that you don't have to spend a lot of money in order to fight successfully. yes, because in any case, of course, on the other hand, it is small. she is not as rich as the strongest of the world and at the same time the quality of our weapons can and should be appropriate to inflict as i recall. if necessary, unacceptable damage. what is the enemy? history itself says

that countries often go when they do not have the opportunity to make very expensive weapons. they follow the path of mass character and simplicity; we recall the great patriotic war, the t-34 tank. it was very simple, very massive. and most importantly for a tank, if we touched on this topic, it should be easy repairable right on the battlefield, because tanks often get damaged. which can and should be eliminated not in the conditions of the factory, but directly at the forefront , therefore, the t-72 itself is well developed, the present one is in service with many countries of the world, including russia itself due to the new optics that belarus has been perfectly able to do since the soviet union we had an excellent school in this regard and many engineers from vizor who graduated from minsk vizru the best military engineering school in the soviet union. they still work in this area, but believe me they know

personally. this is like money, naturally the second point is that which concerns directly. obviously a means of communication. yes, means of targeting or pointing, and so on. that is, it is all attachments. it is absolutely indispensable, because the modern war, the war in ukraine , has shown how it should be, how can it be? well, plus, after all, not only tanks, after all. in connection with today, the president paid a lot of attention, including to other types of weapons and support, because bayraktars, martyrs and so on, but now only as they say, not mine does not say that it really showed its effectiveness. eh, directly. and by the way, expensive bayraktars were criticized in pooh and on shaheed worth 800 dollars, which are destroyed by weapons worth several hundred thousand dollars, and in the case, maybe even millions. yes, this is obviously an

effective weapon, but i would like to draw attention to one more thing, you see, uh, why i am talking about equipment is one of the points that already now there is, directly in the media, the president drew attention, including to the provision of ordinary infantrymen, namely, first-aid kits . which is present, uh, you know what the question is, uh, there are not enough medics for everyone. yes? naturally, they should not be there for every soldier in the medic. this means that the first-aid kit itself provided medical assistance in a timely manner. this is 90% of the survival of a soldier on the battlefield and each with uh, a serviceman has the right and, rather, is obliged to provide proper medical care to his own in a timely manner. eh, colleague. in this case, it is guaranteed that the soldier will survive, that he will be taken to the domain, sambat, and

so on. this means that everything should be provided in the first aid kit and please note russia, let's speak directly, turned out to be not ready in this regard, because, uh, when it hits the battlefield. the first thing they take body armor from the enemy. yes, uh, as a trophy, body armor and nato first aid kits, and we need to talk about it. no need to be shy, because he is a fool. he is no longer a fool, it seems that for the sake of this conflict the ukrainian army was not ready, in fact, it no longer exists in the form in which it started on a special military operation. she is destroyed. yes, yes, it was a war or a special operation of the army, which had not fought for 80 years. he that, you can just one figure as an example , it is typical. yes, there were a couple of hundred aircraft in the ukrainian army. yes, at the moment it has already been destroyed, there are more than 300, and they keep flying, we are talking about the fact that it is clear that without the military assistance of the west, which accuses

iran, they accuse belarus, accuses anyone of complicity in participation, but at the same time they supply weapons, so without this military assistance, the war would have ended long ago. and you know samorat. without which there would be no effect. yes , look, we are discussing this. these military details are all correct, everything is great. and this needs to be done with speed of reaction and controllability. this is what is provided in our country. this controllability is the speed of reaction due to the fact that we have an effective management system that leads the president. he is also the head of the country, he is also the commander-in-chief and the fact that we quickly see experience. unfortunately, this is a difficult and not entirely good experience that is military in ukraine, but we refract it to ourselves, and the most important thing that we do ourselves is to do the drones ourselves. well, the tanks we send the russians to modernize spoke about the defensive

country that we defend ourselves, we do this in order to protect ourselves. as you said, we from sergeevich inflict unacceptable damage on those who dare to attack. yes, and this is the moment. we also need to understand, if you like, this is our belarusian management model, which proves to be very effective in a crisis situation. one moment i'll just finish, yeah, that's the thought. uh, why did the president pay attention that he deliberately and defiantly shows these issues that can be publicly dealt with publicly quite right, because there is nothing to hide here. hmm, you just need a clear understanding here. . everyone must do their job the president as the guarantor of state security. now it solves those issues, whether it be the economy, food, military equipment, those

issues that are urgent at this particular moment in the first place. well, what is that? here's another moment on armament that dmitry absolutely correctly said, we do it ourselves. why it is important to do it yourself, i will give you an example : the turks wanted to buy systems from the americans. why did any such system, such as the h400 complex, or such a system as the patriot, disagree, can be disabled remotely maybe even di ammunition supplier country turkey set conditions for the americans that they should give a completely autonomous system, the americans refused here russia well, at least the turks think. uh, he provided them with such a system, that is, you see, turkey also buys weapons from nato. these are also security issues for the russian federation, so when we talk about the localization of production. for us, these are our national security issues. we have, and certain agreements and we count on our allies. naturally. this is an absolutely sound unified defense policy. but we must also rely

on ourselves, and here the issue is ammunition, not only e-launch systems, but also the ammunition itself. what the president was talking about, that we should produce our own missiles. and another very important point, it echoes what dmitry was talking about the management system, but also the psychological preparation of society, the mobilization of society. not during the already process. you understand what, again, we do not throw stones in any case at russian federation we respect russia but we must take into account the mistakes that have been made. unfortunately, russian society was not prepared for this military operation in the right context, everything is going after the process. if you are already starting this military operation, you will be ready for the river already for some additional forces that you must connect. if it doesn't work out in short enough, we know. under what conditions did this special operation begin, so much is said that it was a preventive measure, because it became known that ukraine is gathering and even expressing some critical opinion. we must still take into account. tv viewers that after all the

corner in the state more information. here you can be smart for a long time. yes, sometimes they make a decision e not always bringing certain information to the public. i think, sometimes i think that sometimes they listen to us and smile here, an important factor takes place in the politics of the belarusian state. uh-huh look how our country reacts. when we saw that some incomprehensible actions there in the north in the west in the south are what we did, we immediately reacted informationally, why did we prepare the society that provocations are possible, but we are not organizing them, and b e, we began to prepare, the appropriate structures so that they were psychologically and technologically and managerially ready for various kinds of provocations so that they can respond and protect the sovereignty of independence and in this regard, our society today. here, talking on dialogue platforms in the form of ordinary people, it

ready, and it understands very well that incomprehensible actions are going on with us on the southern borders. uh, beyond the southern borders on the western borders of some terrorist groups are being formed, but this comrade is also the answer. you look how they ended there in kiev in warsaw that is, we played for a warning. now we have shown the drunken ukrainian military staggering from the other side of the border so, what else can you say, who rides on his feet . most importantly, we eliminated the effect of surprise. well maybe yes, that's what i would i wanted to ask oleg alexandrovich himself you have a huge army of people. what a mood, that people are already prepared, i don’t mean for war, prepared for what is happening around us right now okay mikhailovich i would like to literally respond to the ideas that colleagues spoke about in just 30 seconds and create about, but one more kind of readiness our country, but very technological readiness, a special

operation as well as other local conflicts that have been in the world have shown that modern wars are high-tech wars and without the proper level of technology development in the country, it is impossible to wage them. and here again, the operation in ukraine. that showed, uh, this is a huge role. uh, high -tech in intelligence in indicating the target of guidance very often the calculation goes literally for minutes. and if not for seconds, that is, it is necessary to induce e, to reveal the parasite. uh, until the enemy left this or that point, and therefore these are the actions that were carried out in our country over the summer of a decade, namely, the preservation of the scientific base of the technological base for creating our own satellite constellation dual-use technology development. all this ensures our security today. it can be deployed in the direction of military security, as for the moral and psychological state of society,

then, of course, it can and should be judged. uh, at least here, uh, conditions quite right. we are not talking about preparations for war, but nevertheless , people give themselves something to the fact that there is unrest on the borders, which is possible, and provocations and so on, but uh, it seems that in general society that's exactly not in panic mood. eh, people, but understand the true causes of the processes that occur, those tasks that put e, different parties. uh, in this conflict, and they understand that, uh, in principle, these are these processes, they also have their own logic. and if we use this logic correctly, then our country may be out of the hot phase, which , including information that comes from us from our colleagues, but should reach people. i'm as far as it goes, but i think that this work

needs to be intensified, it needs to be more in-depth work with labor collectives with youth youth environment. and now our experience shows that there is a request for this and it is impossible to relax in this sense, what they say? here we are, uh, working in the media. we are still working somewhere, this is not enough yet. then they said about the war and another quote from alexander from the squirrel alexander lukashenko does not believe, perhaps at the beginning of the third world war, but emphasizes that everything must be feared and foreseen, but who today can say that the third world war will not break out. we are like never close to it, but i do not believe that the third world war will be, because the danger is that the third world war will lead to the destruction of everyone and everything, but who wants to die today, the head of state summed up that belarus, uh, continues to be a donor stability. there will always be any interview of the head of state . note. he always says that sooner or later we will sit down at the negotiating table and let's find it later. let's end this. let's start each

other later, and you need to sit down to throw accusations. sooner or later at the negotiating table, the sooner the better and find and i need no sentence. yes, negotiations can only be forced as soon as one of the parties realizes that the damage from non-participation. uh, the negotiations would be disastrous. she's going to negotiate. either forced, or the parties understand that mutual damage will be understood by the minister of foreign affairs, who said that after two meetings they were ready to sign an agreement between ukraine and russia, they did not come to them . they didn't come to the next meeting. they said the ukrainian side stated that we'll be back to sign and shake hands and don't and don't come anymore and just look at what we're talking about the most right now, yes, we're writing newspaper articles on the air on social networks, what are we discussing? yes, at the level of exports at the level of some leaders of public opinion. we say that we understand that we do not want war. yes,

this is ours, if only there was no war. yeah, today it is acquiring another level, not everyday, like a proverb, but the level, let's say, is capable of consolidating society as a whole, not some part of it as a whole. and what's the most important in our country. this is the desire to ensure that there is no war here and there is peace; it completely coincides with the aspiration of our leadership and state power, and here is this unification. these two forces actually have a very good effect, because look, today we can say that the entire ukrainian society does not want to fight. and even more so the power. well, it’s unlikely that we can’t say the same about russia either, but in belarus, this is a mentality formed, yes, by years of history, everything came together here, yes, allows us in some way, but to think about it and behave in such a way that we are not

drawn, god forbid, into this military funnel of hot ones. well, if you will, yes, here is one moment that i liked about the ukrainians. uh, how do ukrainians feel about the war, and how do belarusians feel about the war? yes, we can remember a specific figure, but 700,000 ukrainians passed through, then, yeah, 700,000 and most went there voluntarily, if not all of them specifically went to kill their fellow tribesmen really, because only because they consider it safe, because they fired at peaceful cities in the first place at the moment, as far as the belarusians are concerned. uh, i liked there, uh, the statement of one girl on the facebook page who said that we don’t want war, but then our guerrilla methods will definitely follow. well, in a free translation, yes, our partisan methods for someone will open them. although they were always at the moment, which i would like to draw attention to. that's why we need to consolidate society should,

firstly, what the presidents designated. not one must be afraid to speak the truth and inform the public about real threats. this is also a unifying factor. believe me. from the special services there, conditionally colonel of mi-6 or the cia, he knows very well that the president in belarus in the twentieth year absolutely won. this means that the vast majority of belarusians are for the president for a normal peaceful life. no need. us this rotten. west we were ready to trade, if you don’t want to get by, but at the same time, this means that if they come here to spare us, they definitely won’t will. they spare their ukrainians, who allegedly were with them. they will not spare the poles. why should they protect the belarusians in this form? i just mean that if we are everyone who has not lost people in 2 years, and we constantly see every day against the background of the door that there

are still such people. unfortunately, there are enough who believe that if you put an idiot as the head of the country or a clown, yes , immediately there will be universal prosperity. yes , bullshit, mares, understand. this i am already addressing to those who watch this program, those who are here will come, and we will definitely not think. and we will only be thought by the president who has preserved this country today and that is why we will unite. we should already at least, because to the instinct of self-preservation. uh-huh , this word worked well for me. this is a very important topic. listen, but, unfortunately, our individual experts, uh, who are present in belarus and uh, there are such active russian supporters. they comment on such military participation in belarus, they say that belarus should join, but i want to express such a point of view that the main beneficiary of

the fact that these 28,000 m² will be in the zone of socio-political stability and not participating in a military conflict is the russian federation and belarus for russia, this is even more beneficial, because what it seeks in principle. for russia in ukraine , this is to remove a threat from its borders. yes, but to push back these, let's say, threatening, e, potential attacks from nato in belarus, this is 100% guaranteed, we are of high quality. we cover the western borders of the russian federation, we provide here socio-political stability, while russia has the opportunity to use our territory within the framework of an agreement within the framework of an agreement of a union state. russia is right. uh, carry out appropriate maneuvers. we provide assistance in the rear, that is, belarus gives everything to the russian federation for the russian federation necessary for their military operation to be successful and for russia,

first of all, for russia, any involvement of belarus in the conflict is not beneficial. therefore, i believe that the russian leadership in this absolutely not interested. but western agents of influence and various politicians before this family are speculating, trying to undermine. uh, peace in our society. the president repeatedly said, calm down in your workplace, you want peace, work with quality. do your job and there will be peace. you need to hear the president and understand that belarus is not planning to participate. here's just your thought, how would you bring vadim thank you e. it's just that nato is interested in creating a problem for russia under smolensky. yes, yes, yes, as it is. and please tell me, uh. i've been thinking lately. we are talking about these, there are a lot of discussions, and dugin prompted this thought . you probably saw him come, but we don’t think that he, too, probably

talked about this, that we are somewhere near this national ideas now and uh, spinning around. ah, the idea of ​​ideology. uh, our defenses, what is it? this is the defense of sovereignty. that 's enough. well, for sure, we are talking about this somewhere. yes, not a wise person, because a person who's personally when i'm with i got acquainted. i was a little shocked when a person translates automatically from eight languages, you understand, kicked out translators and says, you are not la-philosophy, the main category is the correct category to translate incorrectly, you will choose the meaning, you will lose and for him here is the word identity. here you are belarus are you a russian, are you a ukrainian, are you a latvian, or is it with a pole, it is very important, it matters as a plan for, uh, self-identification of a person, as for whom nothing but the russian world exists. yes, this is not true

of the category of the russian world, he is a follower eurasist, where in the sick imagination of our slavs and germans. that is, he is maximally pluralistic in this regard, and you look, he understands the essence of the west. here is his andrei bernard levy when he was invited by dugin west to discuss why he was chosen? this is not a court philosopher, as many in the west think, this is a philosopher quite difficult for the russian authorities, because he is a philosopher who has his own opinion and can say impartial. and this was in 14-15. the departments were expelled. yes, in the end, despite on the other side. you look how scrupulous he is about belarus. i remember when i talked to him, he told me directly. you have the socio-economic model that we dream about in russia, it was 2009, if it doesn’t fulfill, uh, memory, he understands from the outside in this regard,

belarus is very very good, because belarus lacks belarusian inside russia and the fact that the president of belarus met with him. in my opinion. it generally writes philosophers, as they say. yes, the ideology of the state is an ideology in general, a system. well, uh finish. and uh, the president just wanted to see the image of the future to come over after the conflict. after that, where will we be, in what situation, what should we build in this system ivan mikhailovich i would like to develop these ideas somewhat in conversation there as well. at least due to the fact that i saw the president and alexander dugin, there was such a topic that the ideology is not and they are not created by order, there were unsuccessful attempts in russia , uh, even under yeltsin. well, we had the development of the ideology of the belarusian statehood. i am frankly speaking, she is not fully. e, realized, although many positions. it is quite

interesting to them that constructive ones should be preserved and developed. but here, uh, and there such a thought sounded that ideology, they are born by life. they must mature from the depths of society, and then it will become a force that will take possession of the masses and lead these masses along the path of upward development. and it seems to me that now we are just at that historical point when this idea is really already maturing. and we may not even fully enjoy it reflected. and we have already created it and laid it down just to describe it, how many positions to realize the constitution, namely this, and traditionalism and conservatism are cleverly understood, protection from traditional family values ​​​​of historical memory, and national cultural identity is all that today from my point of view quite. it can be the basis in our ideology, and i will say more, it can become an ideology that will become attractive to all the healthy forces in the world, who, uh, who are simply horrified by that spiritual and other depravity,

which is imposed on them in their countries. i'm talking about loss. e gender, and the loss of the family, the loss of the motherland, and so on. and we, on the contrary, keep it. and uh, i think that now, if our intellectuals show due effort, diligence, we can very well create an ideology that will shoot not only in our country in a good way, but if this is enough for us, uh values, this is the first reason this is just one, important thing, of course, yes, smart people philosophers do not exist without them. eh, let's just say moving forward. there are forecasts in some, but after all, in a conversation with others. another thought is that if this does not fall and is not accepted by people, then this ideology will have to go, and then they will have problems, then there will be no problems. do you understand? what do i want to say? here we

recalled in the last program what the president said in no other program, there 5 10 2 years ago he dosed yes, he predicted somewhere else, but the most important question that he asked himself and society. yes, where is our place in this new, changing or already changed world, and this meeting. it seems to me that for the president was interested in terms of a possible answer to this question, where is our place in belarus, belarusians, in principle, a compact country of a small nation, yes, on a global scale. how will we see ourselves in 5-7, maybe 20 years? i bought my underpaid passat called international. but i would like to point out one important thing. here is the president when he was talking about prices. in principle, he formulated this idea to predict justice. but yes. they are not today born in belarus which

is a nerve for belarus for the belarusian person of the belarusian state of the belarusian society and our belarusian development model is too idealistic in the 21st century, which is very important. uh, to others, then he gave a short interview. yes, following the results of this meeting, and there he outlined this thing, which, perhaps , has not gone very well, yet. he himself admitted that the president very clearly shares and agreed with others that there is a russian idea, there is a belarusian idea, and we remember, yes, on september 17, the speech of the president. yah was not white. earlier, but now it is, if it is necessary to reckon and it is normal, when a country with which it is necessary to reckon with has its own idea, the most important thing, which does not contradict the normal relationship of countries among themselves. why is there russian and belarusian, and is this normal? because when i now indicate, why can we

talk, while there is no idea and ideology. no, i just absolutely agree that the things laid down in the constitution that can and should be used are already the beginnings or bonds on which it should be based belarusian ideology. so we remember. what was the nazi ideology of the ukrainian regime of the last 8 years, yes, ukraine under the soul, yes, muscovite to gilyak, who is talking about the fact that this ideology is absolutely against confrontation. yes? most importantly, it may not even be minds. maybe not even the philosophers and ideologists who are there from the state. maybe even excuse some kid who is 20 years old or younger there, yes, but he will clearly formulate these bonds and be able to combine them into digestible understandable accepted by society slogans that will become this basis

, you understand, because in my opinion there is not enough. sometimes it's just elementary to combine beautifully and present. now, if you remember, i would say many, many times in this studio about the national idea of ​​ideology that i am very afraid of this moment when it comes, because it seemed to me that it could come only when some kind of that's a big problem. uh, it can happen in the country practice shows. uh, what is it with our neighbors, uh, the ideology has acquired it, it has formed in ugly some at some ugly hours, because ukraine is russophobia. this is extremely nationalism the baltic states are such russophobia. it 's a fight. i am very happy to support absolutely you. yes, this is your cool idea that these times have come hard times. we are approaching the formation of the formulation of our dialogue, and it is creative anyway , we are not talking about the fact that we are against someone in the belarusian word sea in the belarusian language

there is a unique word humanness. yes? this is humanely humanistically decent. not of course, yes, it will not lead in one word. or you can translate descriptively, do it as people will accept it. hmm, how they will accept it in society, don’t do these two things against whom, firstly, here we were literally talking with the mat the other day and we had such, like, we talked even before the broadcast. uh, i think it's him, by the way, he came up with the idea. i absolutely agree with him. so i won't steal. here, but the crux of the matter is that he says correctly that he should. clearly perceived idea, and not even very important team. it will be or some group of people authorities and other political scientists, but we have a leader who can then authoritatively voice this idea, it is very important from whose lips. it will be an idea to express your zone and you will formulate a person who can then bring this idea to the masses. we can we we

have to take advantage of the historical moment and the second moment about the justice of the many. here. uh, lukashenka thinks about something all justice. in fact, in the economy there is no such term and understanding that there is efficiency, profit, and so on. and these are security issues. we are all in the same boat. and now the most dangerous revolutions are not those that were in the twentieth year. it was a bourgeois revolution. it was a revolution of people with unhealthy political ambitions, inspired by the secret services of foreign states. but when it comes to you, a social revolution based on social injustice, when some see that some have a rebellion. yes, and this is the point of difference, therefore, this is the question of justice lukashenka actually saves people who are wealthy, because if there are people who have something and quite good assets here in belarus. they will not bear the necessary social responsibility to the

people. tomorrow they are with the people. here he is in this one. well, in one here, it must be emphasized that we have such accomplished people. this is not just an inflated bubble or oligarchs who accidentally took everything, grabbed a television channel and became an accomplished person who did business on his own, and this is the essence of justice. if you want you can work, work platinology, please. but if you stole, if it is impossible to deceive in such a context, how it happens and why, especially in ukraine, i gave an example. this is the circle in which i will give you an example. i would say, the man who was. here in ukraine, in the days of yanukovych, the prosecutor of the region came to him, and the main authority of the region in a car and asked a question. who will you pay? do you understand what state the country was in when the prosecutor arrives in the same car with authority and asks you a question? paying thieves or the prosecutor's office is the only point, since i was quoted here. yes , i'm still concretizing, in fact. uh,

the president doesn't just talk, can push the idea. we talked about, uh, we judge by aleksandrovich that we have a personality that can not only formulate, but also ensure yes, ensure that this ideology is implemented if it falls on the soul hmm because one thing is stuffing, and then grass not but another thing when you have the power of authority and support enough to so that it really becomes 100% in demand. ugu and here i here now thought, and on justice. we have already begun to delve into the canopy a little bit, that's all the belarusian people's assembly. well, what is the injustice from the president of the trolley bus driver in one e-hall? yes, it is clear that the decision will be made collectively, but, nevertheless, in the british british parliament, drivers of, uh, red double-decker buses sit and make a decision.