countries that are also interested in the supply of our products, both in terms of export, and we are interested in the supply of imported e positions, which are critical for us and are not produced in the republic of belarus. e, due to its own, including the natural features of the climate. i want to stop running and see how it rains. the leaves move, the sun shines, and how it is built from all these little things. our life. i want to see this world differently. and every day to discover something new and it's so interesting for us, because we do it with love. with love from belarus

passcript program today we are visiting our studio sergey rachkov, chairman of the standing committee of the council of the republic of the national assembly of belarus on international affairs and national security and georgy atamanov member of the council of the communist party of belarus good evening. glad to see you visiting us. today we will talk about a topic that is now being very actively discussed in all expert circles, the possibility of the so-called second iron task in 20-22. how do you like it seems how realistic it is in, let's say, so even in the recent conditions of globalization of the whole world. well , today is really a very simple and disturbing situation in the world. eh, the collective west, of course,

is not ready to give up its positions. e, the emerging multipolar world order. well, let's say conditionally while it is noticeable that at the head of the chinese people 's republic with the russian federation so to speak, fell, this iron curtain. and when, unfortunately, the big e disappeared, the huge one disappeared. uh, at that time a very strong country, the winner of the great patriotic war. uh, today, of course, uh. hmm, the trend of globalization. it's, uh, getting less and less common. and these are the forces that have shaped the world order of the global world

order. and this is primarily led by the united states of america e. today they are trying to use absolutely all the tools in the political ideological struggle. and it is in the economy, it is in politics and in the humanitarian sphere. uh, so uh, unfortunately, here we are now seeing that they are no longer just walking. uh, conversations and proposals are made, but also restrictions before the restrictions of the visa restrictions. although quite recently literally 2 years ago. e, the republic of belarus and the european union. they wrote the visa facilitation agreement to reduce the cost of visas in order for business to, yes, so that uh, after all, countries uh,

communicate even more. eh, we decided together. uh, both economic issues and issues of regional security, but, unfortunately, of course , still today, the united states of america felt that they were losing their power over the world. uh, the powers of the world gendarme. they are trying, of course, to put pressure on the countries, first of all, the countries of the european union. union, which today is not only uh, ukraine is under external control. well, in general, we can say. this is what the european union is, under external control under the control of the united states well, hypothetical for now, and here remain the countries of the collective west, the same european union on this side, belarus and

allies, who will be on this side, with whom we will have to develop in conditions of a closed economy, first of all, probably. you know, i will support my colleagues in the sense that the so-called curtain fell for the first time after the war on march 5 , 1946, winstock. churchill spoke at folton in college. and just said so then this meeting. here are 15 more than minutes with the muscles of the world, and then he said that it was necessary to make the only america the owner and so on and the whole methodology was developed and even then it was clear that those were the ones. the achievements that were achieved by our soviet soldiers in the liberation of europe from your everything began to slowly recede, and they were waiting for the last participant in the war to leave. and this is where it all starts again. and now just the monuments the second second so-called moment is empty of

the lowering of this iron curtain. the fact is that the world is now at a break in this version, it will no longer exist. this the historical process and historical cycles are repeated in this respect. apparently i am a historian. this is history. nothing is taught or learned. it all depends on which elite governs there or in other states. but the fact that the so-called anglo-saxon has been dealing with this for a long time, we have known this for a long time, but you remember, after this curtain fell, after that, immediately after america, a new plan was an attempt to bombard the soviet union with a nuclear weapon, since japan did it. then begins a change in relations between the allies in the war, in world war ii, first the frg appears, then three countries will be liberated, then the gdr, and then in the seventy- fifth year it was decided in helsinki that the borders will not be changed, where are these

laws international norms of law do not operate, and today it formally, in principle, i exist i am already silent about the security council without a decision, which includes both libya and iraq and they bomb everything else. is it really possible that this is all a methodology that needs to be understood, but what they are doing today we need to draw conclusions and lessons to draw from what we have already gone through, having lost a powerful power, then the soviet union will remain with us on this side of the iron zone. you know that it is belarus and russia that will remain examples of this now. kazakhstan is now waggling a little, but uzbekistan will come, the turkmens will return, so far, taking into account the fact that there is oil there. everything else will live a little. this is what is happening today in the post-soviet. oddities and we will see this will take months, years, but will be united at a new level. that's the post-soviet space, oh

what dugin says, by the way, the world will happen in this version, the step will not be the americans will no longer rule the world and the anglo-saxons will completely retreat in this. why do i say many years ahead in this, iosif vstalin foresaw his time, when he talked with kollontai in the thirty-ninth year, she was the ambassador of sweden, he spoke about this, what will happen to us when world zionism comes to power. here's someone who doesn't know. let him look, get on the internet, and that's it. this case will find one to one everything was foreseen in the thirty-ninth year, if not i am mistaken, agitators, propagandists, supermen, german walkie-talkie, goebbel, conspired history from her people and in a generation there will be a crowd, and in the next generation it will be a herd. we see it sometimes, but now, if we talk about trying, then the second iron curtain, then uh in my opinion, here uh. hmm, there is such a moment. uh, it seems that they cut off us belarusians russians, but in

fact in my opinion. eh, an attempt is being made. uh, isolate the population. west to endocrine it for exactly those tasks that, uh, probably, they stand and are put up by the collective west , led by the usa and great britain. uh, there could be different scenarios here. uh, up to military scenarios, the development of the situation. uh, because, of course, uh, it is neither belarus nor russia that is disadvantageous as submissive countries that do not want to live by the rules of the anglo-saxons. eh, that's why an attempt is being made now to demonize with such a harsh demonization. uh, belarusians, russians, uh, in order to solve problems by the economic method.

here we see it is not quite possible to solve problems already by other methods, but for this it is necessary to prepare our population, which would accept and accept the decision by these means, up to the military, and, well, let's say in simple terms. criticized the governments of these yes , therefore, of course. uh, it's sad that uh, here we go again we return to what we left 30+ years ago, despite the fact that uh, of course, two poles existed. uh, the united states, the soviet union was generally in balance, well, the socialist camp, of course, was

in general, the balance, uh, forces and this balance of forces. he uh helped in a more uh, peaceful, calm environment to resolve development issues. uh, as a capitalist camp, let's say a socialist camp, maybe we went at a slightly different pace, uh with different guidelines, and value orientations. but now we have seen what it means to plunge into that capitalism. uh, let's say with an inhuman face and ian must say that i have been working for a very long time . e in the capitalist countries in the united states of america in other countries traveled on a business trip and, uh, saw. eh, like the other side of that world, when e yes, and we saw, when

the coronavirus infection began, and when e in the united states could not provide ordinary people. e help, they died, they were simply stored in refrigerators in new york. that is, we are talking about the fact that e today, of course, an attempt is being made e to solve e. these are already talking not even about rivalry, but about open struggle. ah, for the new world order. of course, the west would not and does not want to give up its positions and let the entrance absolutely. uh, all the whole toolkit all the toolkit. and here's what didn't work. i would like to throw here a bridge to what i said, my colleague failed to make hitler hitler e during the second world war thanks to the

solidarity of those nations and peoples of the soviet union for for not just for the country, but. the peoples who inhabited here, and as for the historical process, it is probably still formed and made by people by people. and so, when generations change, when e is absent, there is no serious continuity of the historical. yes, yes, historical memory, and then they begin. it would seem repeated cataclysms and we can conclude that humanity is not taught.

the leather hero maya, his non-repeated history of life and creativity of stopping, the children sculpt something there, yes, but for me it was so natural, but blind to me well, i blinded you, but i stuck authority to the whole group. i instantly took off, and the years of the one that they have eaten new? i'm bloody waiting realize the ulist potential when i pour the resin. in this silicone mold, i myself can’t fully imagine what will happen on the reverse side, and every time it’s wow, it’s delight and i want to do it. also, a well-known generation to give life without end is correct. with amazement, this is how my son is now. uh, it doesn’t even help me, i try to change the situation so that i help him, so that he is the director of the belarusian project

about people. which ones are kicked with their paddles, since i fell in love with this resin. i just live, i breathe it look on tv channel belarus 20 tents to explore. belarus is easy. it is enough to lay a non-trivial route. this is our belarusian baltic. what snow-white dunes under your feet are cool. the most important thing to be open to amazing secrets and facts in the castle was such a room, specially arranged, about which it was covered with a thick green carpet that imitated green grass and on this , uh, carpet, stood on 12 slabs, uh, in full size, and golden especially for adventures, you will conduct a class. for me, a master class, of course, we conduct. masha will dance with us easily. and

now yummy hedgehogs will take a separate place in my heart. hurray, see the project the route was built on belarus 24 tv channel. i will start the lessons in the ideological war a little bit differently. then i'll just hold on to my colleague to continue the business. that's what, at one time in georgian, he very wisely said that the slavs, namely the russian belarusians, ukrainians, are the most recalcitrant people to conquer it. impossible it needs only to destroy

what they did and they went to ensure that the slavs they began to fight among themselves, for example, ukraine has an old dream of playing off the slavs among themselves, as for the period that we are talking about, then it was lost, in principle. system why because after the soviet union did not collapse, but collapsed artificially, and the traitors, including the leadership of the communist party of the soviet union, were there led by this gorbachev and yakovlev? one had to see the new world somehow. yes, and they began to tell us about democracy, freedom, human rights, the rights of the child, and so on. all this was aimed at to change our consciousness, when the consciousness changes in the head in the heart, love slowly fades into the background, ideologically processed absolutely right, and in connection with this, a whole system of institutions in

america in england in other capitalist countries worked to ensure that this rebellious people. first, to tear the slavs away from other peoples. what stalin also warned about at one time, that they would tear them away from the russian people, and they would be their main enemies, all this happened, and we see this matter, and if we draw conclusions today, then we let us understand that a person in life on earth is given once, regardless of what kind he is. what nationality should we learn to live humanly, treat each other, understand each other and help. this is our slavic tradition to be a friend , comrade, brother. i would like to return to the message that you, and then further, do we have friends or with whom we will have to build in these conditions, yes, build a new life, but i agree, of course, first of all. these are the countries of the

post-soviet space, of course, everyone now uh hmm uh their goals their tasks. i have e, national everyone is now striving to realize national interests, despite the fact that the soviet union collapsed, but the cis was formed and, at the very least, it solves a lot of problems, primarily in the field of economics, and building a free e economic zone between between our countries. e next. we have created the eurasian economic union, probably more effectively. yes, he is more efficient. this is a more advanced integration, primarily economic integration, but of course, organizing a collective security treaty. uh, it primarily resolves issues related to the security of our countries. and uh. these are the

closest circle of countries, but we must say that why the west is so belligerent today. because new centers of power are being formed, they are being formed in southeast asia, and in africa and the middle east, not to mention the european, uh, the european region, they are in latin america. of course, if hugo chavez had survived there, then we would probably see more there was some kind of a certain rollback, but now the pendulum has swung in the opposite direction again and mercasura are countries that, in principle, this association can become the center of power in latin america, we are now with these countries. and, of course, the shanghai cooperation organization, which we should

probably also talk about first of all, and this will most likely be very uh, serious uh. and recognition, uh, of the efforts and results of the work of belarusians on international platforms, uh, and first of all first of all, the head of state, his position, his e political will, if it were not there. but the lack of will, in fact, gorbachev and other leaders of the communist party of the soviet union allowed, uh, to destroy the soviet union, so i want to say that we are not alone, not only uh, the countries of the post-soviet space. those who are in the cis are with us. now we have international venues, of course, the us is already processing. eh, they are trying to work all the countries so that they act, so to speak, as a united front against. e, in first of all the russian federation but the africans

others say, you know europe is not the whole world. that is, we will not give in. we would like to interact and cooperate and will not allow ourselves to be urged on, so let's just say this. this is a rather difficult situation right now. and i think that it will m-m develop with all , with all, as it were, efforts. uh, the west, uh, after all , these centers will gain strength, uh, which will form the polycentric world, uh, and, in which, uh, the republic of belarus you know that interesting, because in this field-centric world. e yes, we are geographically located in europe and it would seem. well, here we are, yes, at this point of power. but no, i think that you see us, the sco is already accepting us, so yes, yes, that is, we will be in

the center of power, uh, there, i’m sure, we are well treated and there is interest in latin america. to cooperation to development of interaction, so we will be present in different geopolitical regions. uh, the president always said we don't have geopolitical ambitions, but we have geopolitical interests in the first place. this is related to e. the form in which our state exists is a socially oriented state on the one hand and, on the other hand, an export-oriented state is very important, so it is very important for us to be in different and participate in various geopolitical associations when cut off from one part. there, sushi from different countries primarily affects the economy, because supply chains are broken, what can we

we can’t produce ourselves. another question is, with whom we are friends and how we can, and, by the way, a counter-argument is always when they talk about the ussr what they say that when people went they saw after the shortage that was in the ussr and this is also one of counter-arguments that a closed economy will not be able to meet the needs, after we have become accustomed to living in abundance. you know, i will support my colleague again in the near future, a year, two three five, we will see that we will add friends and changes will take place in the world. and now, the polycentric world, which would begin to take shape, because this is a historical break, and today, from the point of view of the laws of social development, it already works that version of the world order, people will not be tired of living under a whip and only for the money they are given, they want to be people. and now all this will happen, as for the experience of this, then it

must be taken. it is no longer possible to draw conclusions and the absolutely correct position of the leadership of our country, when they left the socially oriented position of building a new belarusian state on this stage and people feel free here. but sometimes we use that to leave. unfortunately, we need to save. that's it. why because only this socially oriented state enables a person to be a person to work, learn to be treated and that's it. rest. what is the role of the state? find more in other countries, so that it is like in belarus today, and our union and allied states with russia for many examples. and what is happening now is this crisis, stages are underway, and we will see the world change, this is unambiguous, but belarus is not ready to lower this iron curtain and an example of this is the decision of the head of state to actually open the border for citizens of

poland lithuania latvia estonia for our neighbors who can now safely cross the border to come to the republic of belarus what is people's diplomacy? she works? it works, of course, but it must be very similar on both sides. it's a two-way road, of course. there on the people, it turns out very strong strong impact. e. well, pay attention to what we were once accused of in the days of the soviet union , that we forbid me to travel abroad, we don’t issue jammers. eh, so there are some other passports. yes, it's a whole. yes, the whole was an event today doing it in the west in the west, that is, in fact, but demonstrate some kind of fear of fear before, er, before us from the other side. it seems to me that maybe they should be afraid of

why. build their sovereign state on the rubble. e of the soviet union, when e we were the assembly shop of the soviet union yes, without resources, without resources, we restored the engineering industry and the petrochemical industry because we have a very small percentage of localization. well, you know, uh. if we now go on to this topic again, then i want to tell you why the president criticizes, because, uh, today the world and international economic relations are arranged in such a way that our partners. eh, well, they have too have their own interests, they are not only interested in buying. we have goods. they have an interest in creating a product together. that's why we, too, if

, well, let's say. and if we entered into cooperation with the people's republic of china, then it should be cooperation on an equal footing and beneficial to both the chinese side and the belarusian side, therefore, of course, it is necessary, uh, higher localization in manufacturing there as well. uh, bicycles. e motorcycles. uh, geely and so on and so forth. well, we have a lot of uh concrete examples. eh, let's just say here is an example of the minsk automobile plant, when we had options to always install a motor from western manufacturers. well, our leadership got its bearings just in time and, together with the people's republic of china, built a plant. e near minsk, releasing the necessary e motor, which is also installed on our trucks. ez the correctness of the strategy that was chosen

by our state and the president. eh, when we, let’s say, didn’t put everything in one basket, but tried to work in different markets, no matter how hard, no matter how far it was, when they said, well, well, why why in latin america or there in southeast asia is a very large shoulder unprofitable. uh, but today it shows, uh, the situation that u prices are changing, pricing is changing and even long-distance deliveries. they become quite profitable and those who entered these markets become economically profitable, those who entered these markets, those who managed to, are actively working there and now, so i emphasize once again the idea that belarus does not lower the iron curtain. on the contrary, she resists, probably we

vs. this and uh, we're ready to work. uh, both with the east and with the west with the south with the north, that is, absolutely with those who? e. today is ready to work with us this curtain is lowered against us. you look at more than 20 years of economic political sanctions have now moved into the sphere of culture and sport. how did it happen? can they want to say that they are really democrats. they are imposing this on us from the point of view that we should be free and so on, but as a result of all their non-democracy. we can see where they came in with their troops, changing leadership and so on, and how it ended. therefore, we need to preserve our belarusianness. our slavs are our customs, traditions and cultures. only then will we be belarusians for a very interesting and meaningful conversation, and i really hope that belarus can have all these geopolitical sh.