there is a lot going on here, this process of restorations and finding, respectively, relatives. here our search engines provide some assistance in investigating the facts of the genocide of the belarusian people . here, tell us a little more about this work, you know that in april 21, the prosecutor general's office opened a criminal case on the fact of the genocide of the belarusian people during the great patriotic war and their accomplices. uh, in the twenty-first year, in the field search plan , we will plan 12 of these largest objects and, accordingly, the prosecutor general 's office fifty, the second separate specialist of the search battalion, personally, the staff provides passive assistance, because without a battalion at the legislative level, as i say, no one can stick a shovel into the ground. in that year, we worked out of 12 objects, nine objects were productive in the order of 2.5 remains. uh, from gummed reburied the largest such

burial sites were in the vologda district of the minsk region, this is the settlement of chonki in the gomel region and, uh, on the ninth kilometer, moscow highway. uh, this year in the field search plan. we have already included, 21 dinners in the search engine at the moment, almost all facilities are completed. well, nevertheless. so it turns out that, together with the prosecutor's office, the fifty-second battalion provides assistance in the framework of the investigation. thank you sergeya voronovich, head of the department of povykoviches in memory of defenders of the fatherland and war victims of the armed forces of belarus, answered the program. the results of the analysis of the main events of this week in the information and analytical program. tain main firms. all projects of our tv channel are available on the belarus 24.by website, as well as in social networks. i'm sorry to you. all the best.

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is visiting our studio today vyacheslav bondarenko writer we meet you after such a significant date, 105 years of the world october revolution. i would like to start today's conversation, in general, with the meaning of the revolution of belarusian lands. as the time of the socialist revolution, not only for the russian empire, not only for belarusians for the whole world, this is how lenin said the main event of the 20th century? this is the watershed when modern

history really began for the first time in the history of mankind. the rank and file masses of the people, the proletariat, took power into their own hands for the first time, the liquidation of the exploiting society and construction began. a new effective dynamic fair system which, in its practical plane, has shown tremendous success and achievements, so the importance is huge as far as the russian empire is concerned. well, by that time the empire was no longer there. the february revolution was liquidated. eh, the russian republic was already the tsarist empire. which is bourgeois, which could not hold power and crumbled right before our eyes, so the significance is huge if it were not for the october revolution, then russia as a state would have disappeared; there would not have been such a country, there would have been neither russia nor new republics such as the belarusian soviet

republic these territories were on the world map would be occupied. uh, western countries are not only western, so this revolution is not only social, but also national. first of all, the bolsheviks succeeded in preserving statehood; they managed to reassemble on a new basis, build a powerful state, and achieve great success, so the importance is enormous. as for the republic of belarus, it was the october revolution that for the first time allowed the belarusian people to form their state literally a year later, the first of january of the nineteenth year. one year after revolution, the belarusian soviet socialist republic appeared, which successfully developed, was one of the most developed republics in the soviet union well, on the basis of the bsr. now uh, let's

say the republic of belarus is successfully developing and we remember our history. all historians agree and not everyone is so rosy about this historical event for russia, uh. this event was rather with a minus sign, since it meant the death of old russia, the creation on its ruins. e of a new fundamental project assembled on completely different principles and principles, as has already been said for belarus. this was a historical chance that she took advantage of, but for the world community. it was the greatest event not only for the 20th century, but also for our modernity, this event continues to live and work even now, since, in essence, the entire 20th century. it was a continuous autoshock, the seventeenth year and the second world war , the creation of the ussr, the collapse of the ussr, the events that were in the nineties, the events that we are witnessing. now it's all a consequence of the seventeenth years by and large, so evaluate. and this

event is exclusively with a plus sign or with a minus sign is impossible. this is a huge complex of everything, a, and we will deal with its consequences for a very long time. well, probably, belarus is the only country where this holiday is celebrated at the state level. and what did we save and why did this holiday become exactly the state holiday on the weekend, what we saved, well, the system of soviets in the first place. we are still a soviet country. we have there are councils of people's deputy. you remained in the soviet country. well, because the system of soviets of people's deputies, which was developed, has been preserved in itself. well, rather, it was developed back in pre-commanist russia , since the soviets appeared back in 1905. the first councils were created, but this form turned out to be very capable in life and successfully operates in our country and, i think, in very many countries. we would like, in principle, to introduce something similar. yes , we have retained the state system of economy.

if we say, of course, let's say the russian federation in ukraine in other republics. uh, all the tidbits of the economy were given into private hands, and then to foreign capital. which is really a huge resource and sucked out of these countries, then we have the foundation of our economy is a state-owned enterprise, which is not only preserved, but also successfully developed and quite successfully benefits our people, therefore, the socialist economy. at the core we have remained although if decent in the private sector, which does not interfere this state complex, but complements, well, ideologically. yes, already a component, too. we have pioneers. we have consecutive berets. you know, unfortunately, we don’t have such a clear system of ideology as the marxist leninist system was in soviet times, and our president recently said in a conversation with alexander dugin that they

didn’t come up with anything better than the marxists. unfortunately , there is no consistency, as it was, well, many fragments of the marxist-lizin ideology. we exist correctly. we have a powerful pioneer organization and brsm komsomol members. today , of course, we have preserved a simple person. anyone who works, we see how, over the past 20-30 years, ordinary people can achieve any position in any area with their talent, diligence, something that no other post-soviet republics already have. where shall we say? honestly, some kind of caste society is already being formed. where those who made their way to the top in the nineties, already children and grandchildren are growing up , occupy key positions for ordinary people, it is very difficult to rise. we do not, on the contrary, have soviet elevators, they have remained and any person. he can achieve what he wants, provided that diligence of talent and hard work have

been preserved with us. my main one is over. the idea we have e cannot be said to be an ideal state, since an ideal state does not exist in an ideal state there was no soviet union, but there was an over idea, there was a desire for the idea of ​​​​creating a just society for all. this idea is preserved in belarus, which other states do not have, the very top itself, but this soviet society. she held to these ideals. after all soldering sauce, yes, the privileged all the same , the position of the party elite really adhered to ideals. this is the basis on which this society was built. well, if we take the early soviet society, then absolutely certainly. eh, the very beginning. e of the existence of the ussr in the twenties and thirties, forties. in what conditions did the leaders of the soviet state work during the great patriotic war, when people's commissars slept in their offices for days and did not leave work, this was all done not for money, and not for the sake of some personal benefit. it was all for the sake of it.

the native country would live. it was such a generation. and it is gone, it will never return, but i think that their example is very, very, very important nearby, as regards even the late soviet union, when yes , a certain decomposition had already begun. so to speak. e the very top of soviet society. eh, they really lived quite modestly. ah, wages. a miner or an oil worker was higher than the salary of leonid ilyich brezhnev, the first person of the soviet union and we all remember, and even we, being schoolchildren, laughed at how modestly mikhail andrey jesus lived, the second person, in whose country he spent his whole life in galoshes and in one coat. that is, these people were by and large engaged exclusively in state affairs. and the fact that this is the level of security is some kind of special. e, go special some privileges people from morning till night gave service, of course, there must be some elementary benefits,

but it would be wrong if e, a member of the politburo , went to the store in the evenings and stood in line there for sausage, because the front work was huge the privileges were extremely insignificant, especially compared to the privileges. let's say in today's many post-soviet republics. they are just worthless speeches that anyone will have there. uh, hundreds of millions or billions of dollars. it didn't even come in a dream. that is, even until the very last days of the soviet union, the top of society lived quite modestly. well, at the middle level, of course, there is already a process of decomposition. unfortunately it went pretty fast. many middle-level people dreamed of living like the rich in the west and in the end did everything to destroy the soviet union to carry out privatization to line their pockets. and to create the so

-called oligarchy, the soviet union, by historical standards, did not last long, and a state built on such principles is generally viable. well, of course we saw it. what trials did the soviet union go through, in general, even if we take the great patriotic war, this is already a justification of the soviet union in full growth. this state has succeeded monstrous challenge. it broke the monstrous enemy, defeated nazism - this already indicates that this state was capable of another thing in life, that after all, the ideological ambassador originally laid down in this state was not enough for a long time. and when those generations left, here, which just, yes, uh, did not leave work for ideas. it was then that everything fell apart in my opinion, then it already became more difficult and every day it became more and more difficult, until it ended in nothing. if we return, here in the seventeenth year it is very

i want to know what to talk about, always any global historical event, it is shrouded in myths and legends, a lot of thought out before being composed, in general, history is such a subjective tool. and what of that, maybe from high-profile myths? well, i don’t know aurora’s shots. what of the revolutionary events is reality? and what later in the process they thought of up to composed was added, that is, a historical picture. well, here you can say that, well, let's say, really. we all remember, uh, there are films from eisenstein like october when there stormed the winter palace. eh, they created the feeling that there was a frenzied resistance of huge masses of working soldiers, great efforts were made to overthrow the provisional government. well, this is somewhat exaggerated, to put it mildly. the fact is that the provisional government, headed by alexander fedorovich kerrinsky, has already completely decomposed. it no longer

controlled anything, the country was literally falling apart before our eyes; almost all regions began to separate everywhere, except for moscow and petrograd. kerensky practically no longer controlled anything and out of control. eh, really. in fact, everyone there was already laughing, except for the women's battalion, no one was guarding kirensky. he himself is on the eve of the revolutionary. eh, events escaped, uh, and to petrograd. well, there are rumors about women's dress. someone is also talking about myths, someone says that he really dressed in a woman's dress there and ran away. uh, there was no resistance, as such, to the october revolution in terms of force. many people. it was wednesday, thursday, november 7-8, on october 25-26 they were people who were at work, who were sitting in restaurant who went to the theatre. many did not even notice, and only learned from the newspaper that the provisional government was in practice. many did not even have a

telegram in petrograd. who will write to you that the revolution has taken place? yes, they wrote that there was a note that passed the power of the hands of, say, the council of people's commissars. that is, of course, there were no battles, there were practically no deaths in petrograd. therefore, here a little bit. this heroism was mythological. well, i would say that they actually completed everything. and now we see, and it is unrealistic now that we see a certain myth about the revolution , a kind of fairy tale, but in fact it is natural, because a lot of time has already passed, a whole century has passed and any significant historical event is mythologized. great patriotic war. it is now very difficult for us to separate it. and as for fiction, let the fiction we need with the plus sign, the fiction that works for us from realities, is forgotten very much, and much of the bad is natural, so that there was much was

hushed up intentionally. much has been blotted out in many ways it was forbidden to simply remember and people did not remember, well, by and large, now it doesn’t matter to us. we see these events already. , one of those republics that was practically undated. eh, it's originally laid down, the principle. here was such an inequality the economic was arranged from the inside, this component, why would the ussr actually develop at its own expense. there is no such situation here. you know, this is a very dangerous, very harmful wording. here are some republics of all. well, you must admit that in the minds of many, and still many of our russian colleagues, there is such a thing. this is the wrong message and the wrong approach. why, let's say, russia milo,

the former tsarist outskirts or there, uh, ukraine, the ukrainian republic of the ussr, russia really were self-sufficient fed all the rest republic in fact. it was a single national economic complex. how can you develop a powerful country when there were terrible backward outskirts of the former russian empire? well, let's say central asia, where there really were practically no large industrial centers, where the vast majority of the population before the revolution was more than 90% illiterate. it is clear that the center had to raise the outskirts in order to have more or less social homogeneity. mm, throughout the country, so that mighty centers of the economy of industry, the culture of education, and this it was absolutely normal all the talk that someone was feeding someone, which began at the end of the

gorbachev era. and it also led to the collapse. union is very harmful. it was friendship of peoples. and yes, it was necessary to raise to overcome the tsarist heritage when there were some centers moscow petrograd donbass a few more cities that were in order, but the main part of the russian empire. somewhere in the terrible backwardness was due to the economic social policy of the soviet government hmm, there really was an alignment all the peoples rose, everything was only better from this, and all the talk was that someone was feeding someone. this is a very dangerous harmful one, and these conversations are still going on somewhere. they must be curbed decisively . vyacheslav, you said that for belarus the revolution became a chance, a historical chance, why well, because it was really a chance to create its own statehood, and it was created very

quickly. ah. very, successfully and mm as part of the ussr , uh, our people realized themselves wonderfully to the fullest in all sectors from industrial to literary belarusians. everything worked out. they had a wonderful image in the eyes of the rest of the world. and this image still works, if we arrive, and it doesn’t matter to any country. in which, in principle, we say that my belarusian is likely to meet us with a smile, and not throw his fists at us. this is all an echo of that, and the image of a belarusian created precisely in the soviet era, the foundation. reported strong, of course, but not only the foundation and today. we continue this legacy of the soviet period, so when hmm allow. so i come to any republic of the former soviet union and asks where you are from. i speak from minsk. belarus. everyone 's eyes light up at once, everyone says. about belarus lukashenka two, soviet republic. which president your well done really kept better without any

irony people say, this is the absence of unemployment in practice. we have more job vacancies than unemployed. just maybe, not everyone wants, of course, to go to all these vacancies, that's the thing, but the very fact and unemployment. as such, no industrial power at the proper level social protection. well, i'll tell you honestly, in our country it is even stronger than in the soviet union, there is already such social care, as in our republic there is no such thing in the entire post-soviet. the space has not only been better preserved, but also developed as well education. well, in our country, almost all young people receive higher education. yes, it is, in fact, even under the constitution . no, well, we can say that we have universal higher education. and we must remember before the revolution 80%, e. residents, uh, here is the northwestern region of belarus they didn’t know how to read and write, there wasn’t a single higher educational institution on the territory of present-day

belarus, not a single one now we have dozens of universities, with a huge number of sets, and that’s it. that is, we have problems with education. no. do you want to go on to study a master’s degree, please, they persuade people, because these people are too lazy to go to many you want to go to graduate school to become a doctoral student, please, everyone has now risen and the money is much enough to live and write dissertations. everything is done for person and is done. this is a daily calm regime, that is, indeed, the soviet hmm, let's say so, the system on the territory of the republic of belarus has not only been preserved, but even got rid of shortcomings. what a sin to hide, let's say in the soviet union well, as a result, there may be a clumsy consumer market. deficiency often feels that everything was wonderful. everything was wonderful. these are small everyday moments that, let's say,

poisoned a little everyday life. well , a man came, there he left work for 6 hours, to buy sausages there for half an hour or an hour i stood in line, and these sausages came up to the queue. could disappear. it would be a trifle, of course, it was possible to leave work a little earlier to ask someone at home, but it was a little annoying. now not, abound in stores at affordable prices, as prices have gone a little bit. now they were immediately taken under control, that is, really hmm, this is what the soviets would have reformed in the image of today's belarus. there is a union, it would be such a power even now. here, let's imagine what shall we say? at the end of the gorbachev period , yeltsin would not have destroyed the country with sushkevich and kravchuk , and at the end of the gorbachev era, alexander grigoryevich lukashenko would have become the head of the soviet union. imagine for these 30 years. the soviet union would be more powerful, i think, than the united states and

china combined, but the idea, that one over, the idea has already disappeared. and it could be that, which means that it was gone, and it was deliberately deliberately destroyed somewhere to disappear, where did you devalue it. well, this great idea could be raised wash it off and somehow raise it even higher with us, so i say, uh, such patriots as alexander grigoryevich would come to power. they would modernize this idea and make it even more attractive and the socialist system, which was just beginning to reveal its potential once fish to such an extent and such a material and cultural achievement. i'm telling everyone that if there was such a thing, then we would now be on a trade union ticket there up to 12 rubles. would fly to mars every weekend, you know, it seems yes? well, excuse me, but when the revolution, when in the seventeenth year, the vast majority of the population lived

in terrible miserable conditions. eh, when was the hopeless illiteracy? this is the estate system, who could say that in 40 years we will launch a satellite in 40 years. we launched the world's first space satellite, and after 45 years a man flew, but nonetheless. we say that a logical development path. still, it’s not a revolution, but this revolution is destroyed before the foundation of the world, probably, after all, it’s no longer pro-modern belarus well, i would say that the revolution there is such an expression revolution the locomotive of history. i would say that the accident history revolution. it's for anyone anyway. society is not good, rather than good. and you can talk a lot about the fact that the revolution, uh, modernizes society, albeit by force. albeit at a huge cost. but nevertheless. that's despite that's all, we moved forward. well, in my opinion. uh hmm and so

to argue immorally, you must first of all remain human and, above all, remember about human destinies. here are the ones that grow like a cat e and in some kind of social experiment, and which we eventually consider successful or not very successful, and these are all very subtle things, in fact, and here you need to be very careful in your statements, otherwise. well, it turns out that we have built a great country. but what, millions of people died at the same time, well, they cut down the forest, the chips fly. zatona country was great, this position is immoral. actually. here you need to be very careful, but in my opinion, i don’t treat these things with this i agree, in my opinion, a revolution, indeed. the classics of martism say correctly - these are the locomotives of history. this is what drives stories. forward. what does it mean morally and immorally, when hundreds of millions of people trample on their feet. uh,

the reactionary classes don't let them actually become human at all. uh, let's say there uh, slavery or fortress strings builds little. how is it different from animals when bullying goes over him for centuries and then comes a revolution that pulls out. uh, these people in a new society and rapidly goes forward. let's see precisely the immoral struggle against the revolution. the revolution itself does not need any justification. revolution - this is the whirlwind - this is the hurricane that endures, which no, well, somewhere. melts somewhere does not sweep away sweeps away all rotten sweeps away all backward everything, moldy raises all the most progressive most here it is very important to determine who exactly decides what is rotten. and what, and what did not rot practice, practice, the basis of knowledge, the criterion of truths. let's take the key revolutions

revolution. feudal england remained in england the middle of the 17th century, a revolution led by the kroml begins. we all remember thanks to this revolution , too bloody, too heavy. so that means, uh, why are people being destroyed because they are rising from the steel and the classes that are really reactionary are trying to slow down the course of history trying to keep people. in bondage. they offer armed resistance, except at the head of the english revolution above. these backward classes gave mighty bourgeois england, which literally 100 years later achieved unprecedented heyday of france at the end of the 18th century. well, already as decomposed. here, mm, the feudal elite, to what extent? they already interfered with the development of society, we all know this from the school curriculum, and we see that the french and not without reason called the great french bourgeois revolution. uh, destroyed the entire feudal system. yes, in all of europe, yes, but these are

like this. this is a huge step forward, and now let's get back to the october revolution. october revolution. it not only destroyed the extreme backwardness of the reactionary system of the bourgeois landowner, who was on the territory of the former russian empire. not only that, the progress has been enormous. well, he also saved well from destruction. do not be the great october revolution. neither russia nor belarus would have been destroyed, and not only did they create the great soviet union, a great socialist system was created. let's just say thank you. a traitor scoundrel who in the ninety-first year destroyed the soviet union and, let's say, the system of socialism in eastern europe, but nevertheless they failed to destroy the mighty socialist china, which has just begun to reveal its socialist potential, we see what a powerful country, returning to the great october socialist revolution of 1917. this is the most important

event. yes, not only in the xx century in general in the history of mankind. yes, for a very interesting conversation. and i hope that no matter how historians argue, they do not evaluate the revolution, and belarus can preserve it better and more confidently. thank you. thank you.