the postscript program today is a guest of the sixth director savelyevich, master of political science vyacheslav bondarenko writer we meet you after such a significant date, 105 years of the world october revolution. i would like to start today's conversation in general with the significance of the revolution well, firstly, in the fate of the russian empire and in the fate of the belarusian lands. both of that time and modern, how is the significance of the great october socialist revolution estimated, it is huge not only for the russian empire only for the belarusian winter for the whole world is as lenin said the main event of the xx century? this is the watershed when modern history really began for the first time in the history of mankind. the rank and file

masses of the people, the proletariat, took power into their own hands for the first time, the liquidation of the exploiting society and construction began. the new effective dynamic fair system of which, with its e, practically plane, showed great successes and achievements, therefore, the importance is enormous for the russian empire. well by the time of the empire there was no longer the february revolution, the russian republic had already liquidated the tsarist empire. which bourgeois, which could not hold power and crumbled right before our eyes, so the significance is huge if it were not for the october revolution, then russia as a state would have disappeared; there would be no such country, there would be neither russia nor new republics such as the belarusian soviet republic. they would not be on the world map, these territories would be occupied. uh, western countries are not

only western, so this is a revolution not only social, but also national. first of all, the bolsheviks managed to maintain statehood, they managed to reassemble on a new basis to build a powerful state to achieve tremendous success, therefore, the significance is huge, and as for the republic of belarus, it was the october revolution that for the first time allowed the belarusian people to form their state literally a year later, the first of january of the nineteenth year. a year after the revolution, the belarusian soviet socialist republic appeared, which successfully developed was one of the most developed republics in the soviet union well, on the basis of the bsr. now let 's just say that the republic of belarus is successfully

developing and we remember our history. all historians agree and not everyone is so rosy about this historical event for russia, uh. this event was rather with a minus sign, since it meant the death of old russia, the creation on its ruins. this is a fundamentally new project assembled on completely different principles and principles, as has already been said for belarus. this was a historical chance. uh, which she would take advantage of, but for the world community. it was the greatest event not only for the 20th century, but also for our modernity, this event continues to live and work even now, since, in essence, the entire 20th century. it was a continuous autoshock, the seventeenth year and the second world war, the creation of the ussr, the collapse of the ussr, the events that were in the nineties, the events that we are witnessing. now this is all a consequence of the seventeenth year by and large, so evaluate ah, this event is exclusively with the sign plus or with a sign, minus is not allowed. this is a huge

complex of everything, a, and we will deal with its consequences for a very long time. well, probably, belarus is the only country where this holiday is celebrated at the state level. and what did we save and why did this holiday become exactly the state holiday on the weekend , what we saved, well, the system of soviets in the first place. we are still a soviet country. we have councils of the people's deputy. you remained in the soviet country. well, because the system of soviets of people's deputies, which had been developed, was preserved in itself. well, rather, it was developed back in documentary russia , since the soviets appeared back in 1905. the first councils were created, but this form turned out to be very capable in life and successfully operates in our country and, i think, in very many countries. we would like, in principle, to introduce something. yes, we have retained the state system of the economy. to be honest, let's say in the russian federation in ukraine in other republics. uh, all the tidbits

economies were given over to private hands, and even to foreign capital. which is really a huge resource and sucked out of these countries, then we have the foundation of our economy is a state-owned enterprise, which is not only preserved, but also successfully developing and quite successfully. uh, benefits our people, so the socialist economy. at the core we have remained although if decent in the private sector, which does not interfere with this state complex, but complements well, the idea. yes, already a component, too. we have pioneers. we have followers. you know with us. uh, unfortunately, there is no such a clear system of ideology as the marxist leninist system was in soviet times, and our president recently said in a conversation with alexander dugin that it is better than marxism. no, they didn't come up with anything. unfortunately , there is no consistency, as it was, well, many fragments of the

marxist-lizin ideology. we exist correctly. we have a powerful pioneer organization and brsm komsomol members. today we have kept, of course, a simple person. anyone who works, we see how, over the past 20-30 years, ordinary people can achieve with their talent industriousness of any positions, but in any area, something that no other post-soviet republics already have. where shall we say? honestly, some kind of caste society is already being formed. where those who made their way to the top in the nineties, already children and grandchildren grow up , occupy key positions, ordinary people, it is very difficult to climb. we do not, on the contrary, have soviet elevators, they have remained and any person. he can achieve what he wants under the condition of industrious talent and hard work, we have preserved. on the main it's over the idea, we can't say that

e ideal state, since an ideal state does not exist in an ideal state there was no soviet union, but there was an over idea, there was a desire for the idea of ​​creating a just society for all. this idea is preserved in belarus, which other states do not have, the very top itself, but this soviet society. she held to these ideals. after all, there the sun is soldering, yes, the privileged position of the party leaders still adhered to really ideals. that's what it was built on society. well, if we take earlier soviet society, then absolutely certainly. eh, the very beginning. e of the existence of the ussr in the twenties and thirties, forties. in what conditions did the head of the soviet state work during the great patriotic war, when the people's commissars slept in their offices for days and did not leave work, this was all done not for money, and not for the sake of some personal benefits. it was all for the sake of it. the native country would live. it was such a generation. and it 's gone, it's never coming back. but i think that

their example is very, very important, as far as the late soviet union is concerned, when yes, a certain decay had already begun. so to speak. e the very top of soviet society. eh, they really lived quite modestly. ah, wages. a miner or an oilman was higher than the salary of leonid ilyich brezhnev, the first person of the soviet union and we all remember, and even we, being schoolchildren, laughed at how modestly mikhail andrey jesusov lived, the second person, in whose country he spent his whole life in galoshes and in one coat. that is, these people were by and large engaged exclusively in state affairs. and the fact that this is the level of security is some kind of special. e, to go special, people gave some privileges from morning to night and served in the country, of course, there should be some elementary benefits, but it would be wrong if e, a member of the politburo , went to the store in the evenings and stood in queues

there for sausage, because the front work was huge, the privileges were extremely insignificant, even more so compared to the privileges. let's say in today's many post-soviet republics. they are just worthless speeches that anyone will have there. uh, hundreds of millions or billions of dollars. it didn't even come in a dream. that is, even until the very last days of the soviet union, the top of society lived quite modestly. well, at the middle level, of course, there is already a decomposition processor. unfortunately it went pretty fast. many middle-level people dreamed of living like the rich in the west, and in the end did everything to destroy the soviet union to spend privatization to line their pockets. and to create a so -called oligarchy, in general, the soviet union, by historical standards, did not last long, and a state built on such

principles is generally viable. well, of course we saw it. what trials did the soviet union go through, in general, even if we take the great patriotic war, this is already a justification of the soviet union in full growth. this state coped with a monstrous challenge. it broke the monstrous enemy and crushed nazism. this already indicates that that this state was viable is another matter, that, nevertheless, the ideological message inherent in this state from the very beginning was not enough for a long time. and when those generations left, here, which just, uh, yes, uh, did not leave work for the idea. it was then that everything fell apart in my opinion, then it already became more difficult and every day it became more and more difficult, until it ended in nothing. enriching your erudition is not so difficult.

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return, now in the seventeenth year i really want to know what to talk about, always any global historical event, it is shrouded in myths and legends, a lot of thought up before being composed, in general, history is such a subjective tool. and what of that, maybe from high-profile myths? well, i don’t know aurora’s shots. what of the revolutionary events is reality? and what later in the process they thought of up to composed was added in this historical picture. well, here you can say that, well, let's say, really. we all remember. uh, there are eisenstein films like october when the winter palace was stormed there. eh, they created the feeling that there was a frenzied resistance of a huge mass of working soldiers, great efforts were made to overthrow the provisional government. well, this is somewhat

exaggerated, to put it mildly. the fact is that the provisional government, headed by alexander fedorovich kerensky, has already completely decomposed. and he no longer controlled anything, the country was literally falling apart almost all regions began to separate before our very eyes, except for moscow and petrograd. kerensky practically no longer controlled or controlled anything. eh, really. in fact, everyone there was already laughing, except for the women's battalion, no one was guarding kirensky. on the eve of the revolutionary events, he himself fled, er, to petrograd. well, there are rumors about women's dress. someone is also talking about myths, someone says that he really dressed in a woman's dress there and ran away. uh, resistance, per se, to the october revolution in the power plan there was no many people. was it wednesday thursday 7th november 8th or october 25-26 people who were at work? who sat in a restaurant, who went to the theater? many didn't even

notice, and only learned from the newspaper that the government was in practice. many even happened in petrograd. yes, what was the note passed the power of the hands of, say, the council of people's commissars, that is, of course, no battles, there were practically no deaths in petrograd. therefore, here a little. this heroism was mythologically written. well, i i would say that they actually wrote everything down and now we see, but it’s unrealistic now we see a certain myth about the revolution, a certain fairy tale, but in fact it’s natural, because a lot of time has already passed, a whole century has passed and any significant historical event is mythologized war of the twelfth year of the great patriotic war. it is now very difficult for us to separate it. and a fiction, let it be with the plus sign the fiction we need, the

fiction that works for us. here from realities it is forgotten very much. and naturally a lot of bad things that a lot was hushed up, a lot was deliberately blotted out, a lot was simply forbidden to remember and people did not remember, but by and large now this is not important for us. we see these events already at a great distance with a perspective and having the opportunity to evaluate them in their entirety in their length not a single seventeenth year, but what happened after it, we have already talked with you about the principles that were laid down in the construction of the soviet union of the bssr, probably, one of those republics that was practically undated. eh, it's originally laid down, the principle. like this there was inequality, how was the economic structure from the inside, this component why did the bssr actually develop at its own expense? there is no such situation here. you know, this wording is very dangerous, very harmful. here are some republics of all. well, you see, yes, in the minds of many and still many, and our russian colleagues, there is such a thing. this is

an incorrect post. a completely wrong approach, why , let’s say, russia, uh, fed the former tsar’s outskirts, or there, uh, ukraine, the ukrainian republic of the ussr, uh, russia really were self-sufficient fed all the rest of the republic in fact. it was a single national economic complex. how can you develop a powerful country when there were terrible backward outskirts of the former russian empire? well, let's say central asia, where there really were practically no large industrial centers, where the vast majority of the population before the revolution was more than 90% illiterate. it is clear that the center had to raise it to the extreme, so that there would be more or less social homogeneity throughout the country, so that mighty centers of the economy would really be created. industry, education culture, and it was

absolutely normal everything. for the thief that someone was feeding someone, which began at the end of the gorbachev era and led him, among other things, to collapse. union is very harmful. it was friendship of peoples. and yes, it was necessary to raise to overcome the tsar's heritage when there were some centers of moscow and petrograd. donbass is a few more cities that were in order, but the main part of the russian empire. somewhere in terribly backwardness was due to the economic social policy of the hmm soviet governments, there really was an alignment. all the peoples rose, everything was only better from this, and all the talk was that someone was feeding. this is a very dangerous harmful one, and these conversations are still going on somewhere. they must be curbed decisively . vyacheslav, you said that for belarus the revolution became a historical chance,

why? well, because it was really a chance. create your own statehood, and it was created very quickly. ah. very, successfully and as part of the ussr e, our people realized themselves remarkably in to the fullest. in all sectors, from industrial to literary belarusians. everything worked out. they had a wonderful image in the eyes of the rest of the world. and this image still works, if we arrive, uh, it doesn’t matter to any country. in which, in principle, let's say that my belarusian is most likely met with a smile, they will throw their fists at us. this is all an echo of that, and the image of a belarusian created precisely in the soviet era was laid strong, of course, yes, not only the foundation today . we continue this legacy of the soviet period, so when hmm is valid. so i come to any republic of the former soviet union and asks where you are from. i speak from minsk . belarus. everyone's eyes light up at once, everyone

says. about belarus lukashenka two, soviet republic. which president your well done has really kept the best without any irony people say, and this lack of unemployment is practically. we have more job vacancies than unemployed. just maybe, not everyone wants, of course, to go to all these vacancies, this is the most, but the very fact of unemployment. as such, no industrial power at the proper level social protection. well, i'll tell you honestly, in our country it is even the strongest in the soviet union, there is already such social care as in our republic, there is no such, uh, in the entire post-soviet. the space has not only been better preserved, but it has also been developed, and education, but in our country, almost all young people have higher education, everything is common. yes, it is , in fact, even under the constitution. no, well, we can say that we have universal higher education. and we must remember before the revolution 80%, e. residents of e, here

north-western region of belarus they could not read and write, there was not a single higher educational institution on the territory of present-day belarus, not a single one now we have dozens of universities, e, with a huge number of sets. and that's it. that is, we have problems with education. no. if you want to go on to study a master’s degree, please, people are being persuaded, because these people are too lazy to go to many people, you want to go to graduate school to become a doctor, please, everyone has now risen and there is a lot of money to live and write dissertations. everything is done for person and is done. this is a daily calm regime, that is, indeed, the soviet hmm, let's say so, the system on the territory of the republic of belarus has not only been preserved, but even got rid of shortcomings. to be honest, let's say in the soviet union well, as a result, there may not be an agile consumer market. deficiency often feels

that everything was wonderful, the soviet union of everything was wonderful. these are small everyday moments that, let's say, poisoned a little everyday life. well a man came, there 6 i left work for hours to buy sausages ; i stood in line for half an hour or an hour, and these sausages came up to the queue. could disappear. it would be a trifle, of course, it was possible to leave work a little earlier to ask someone at home, but it was a little annoying. now not, abound in stores at affordable prices, as prices have gone a little bit. now they were immediately taken under control, that is, indeed. well, this is what the soviet would have reformed in the image of the likeness of today's belarus. there is a union, it would be like this now power. let's pretend, what shall we say? at the end of the gorbachev period, yeltsin would not have destroyed the country with sushkevich and kravchuk, and at the end of the gorbachev era,

alexander grigoryevich lukashenko would have become the head of the soviet union . imagine for these 30 years. the soviet union would be more powerful, i think, than the united states and china combined, but the idea, that one over, the idea has already disappeared. and it was possible that, which means that it was gone, and it was deliberately consciously destroyed somewhere to disappear, somewhere it was devalued, but this great idea can be it was necessary to raise it to wash it and somehow raise it even higher with us, so i say, uh, such patriots as alexander grigoryevich was, come to power. they would modernize this idea and make it even more attractive, and the socialist system, which was just beginning to reveal its potential, would reveal to such an extent such a material and cultural achievement. i'm telling everyone that if there was such a thing, then we would now be on a trade union ticket there up to 12 rubles. would fly to mars every weekend

would you understand, it seems, right? well, excuse me, but when the revolution, when in the seventeenth year, the vast majority of the population lived in terrible miserable conditions. eh, when was the hopeless illiteracy? this is the estate system, who could say that in 40 years we will launch a satellite in 40 years. we launched the world's first space satellite, and after 45 years a man flew, but nevertheless we are talking about the fact that the logical path of development is still not a revolution, but this revolution is probably destroyed to the foundation of the world, after all, it is no longer about the modern, belarusian well, i would say that revolution there is such an expression revolution the locomotive of history. i would say that the accident history revolution. it's for anyone anyway. society is not good, rather than good. and you can talk a lot about the fact that the revolution, uh, modernizes society, albeit by

force. albeit at a huge cost. but nevertheless. that's despite that's all, we moved forward. well, in my opinion. uh, but to argue immorally, you must first of all remain human and, above all, remember about human destinies. here are the trampled e yes in some kind of social experiment. e, which over time we consider successful or not very successful, and these are all very subtle things, in fact, and here you need to be very careful in your statements, otherwise. well, it turns out that we have built a great country. but what, millions of people died at the same time, well, they cut down the forest, the chips fly. zatona country was great, this position is immoral. actually. here you need to be very careful, but in my opinion, i don’t treat these things with this i agree, in my opinion, a revolution, indeed. the classics of martism are right, they are the locomotives of history. this is what drives stories.

forward. what does it mean morally and immorally when hundreds of millions of people trample on them. uh, the reactionary classes of e prevent them from becoming human at all, in fact. uh, let's say there uh, slavery or fortress strings builds little. how is it different from animals when bullying goes over him for centuries and then comes a revolution that pulls out. uh, these people in a new society and rapidly goes forward. let's see precisely the immoral struggle against the revolution. the revolution itself does not need any justification. revolution - this is the whirlwind - this is the hurricane that endures, which no, well, somewhere. the site somewhere does not fly off, sweeps away everything rotten, sweeps away everything that is backward , moldy raises all the most progressive, the best. here it is very important to

determine who exactly decides what is rotten. and what, and what is not gloria practice practice is the basis of knowledge of the criterion of truth. let's take the key revolutions the revolution. in england, feudal england remained in the middle of the 17th century, a revolution led by the kroml began. we all remember thanks to this revolution , too bloody, too heavy. so what does it mean, uh, why are people being destroyed because they are rising from the steel and the classes that are really reactionary are trying to slow down the course of history are trying to keep people. in bondage. they offer armed resistance, except at the head of the english revolution above. these backward classes gave mighty bourgeois england, which literally 100 years later, france reached an unprecedented dawn at the end of the 18th century. well, already as decomposed. here, mm, the feudal elite, to what extent? they already interfered with the development of society, we all know this from the school curriculum, and we see that the french did not call the great french

bourgeois revolution for nothing. uh, destroyed the entire feudal system. uh, all over europe, yes. and these are these. this is a huge step forward, and now let's get back to the october revolution. october revolution. not only did she destroy the extreme got up reactionary system, therefore the bourgeois landowner, who was on the territory of the former russian empire. not only that, the progress has been enormous. well, even from the pastor. well, from destruction. do not be the great october revolution. neither russia nor belarus would have been destroyed, and not only did they create the great soviet union, a great socialist system was created. let 's just say thank you. a traitor scoundrel who in the ninety-first year destroyed the soviet union and, let's say, the system of socialism in eastern europe, but nevertheless, they failed to destroy the mighty socialist china, which had just begun to reveal its socialist potential, we

see what a powerful country returning to the great october socialist revolution of 1917. this is the most important event. yes, not only in the xx century in general in the history of mankind. yes, for a very interesting conversation. and i hope that no matter how historians argue, they do not evaluate the revolution, and belarus can preserve it better and more confidently. thank you. thank you. products our ancestors real men's craft cooperage our potato pancakes are not for nothing that we are called

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