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belarus 24 today i would like to talk about the main trends in the development of geopolitical processes in the world. what's going on in the us in western europe here in china i think it's important to understand the future. hello , on the air, the program, say, do not be silent in the studio, victoria popova and tatyana shcherbina and

andrey savinykh is our guest today. good afternoon. good afternoon, we are glad to see you in our studio e, we have not seen each other since the time of the presentation of the body top, therefore we perceive you as the mascots of our program and today in your company we will be happy to go over the agenda let's start with the german chancellor and scholz, who admitted that russia failed to isolate at the g20 summit . in bali, he also said that there are different opinions on the ukrainian crisis. there are still countries that refuse to condemn russia and judge the special military operation in ukraine and e. the news was added that not only chancellor scheus. eh, so he claims today, but also in the final communiqué on the summit of this twenty, such thoughts were also expressed, does this mean that not the whole world today with ukraine, as yves like to say in kiev and in the west, well, the question is interesting, let's

analyze it. but before, uh, let's touch on the topic itself. still, i would like to say a few words about the information space, well, you must admit, 20-30 years ago. we received facts from the media space from the media, and then there were already some political interpretations of them, literally 10 years ago, the situation changed dramatically. the flow of information became so dense and diverse that the information does not leave us. for a second, moreover, the amount of information that passes through e. much more than we can grasp without well through some sort of critical appraisal. and this means that we take a lot of facts on faith. and this means that there are opportunities not just for interpretations, but for the creation of an alternative reality in general, which absolutely does not

correspond to what is happening in real life. it seems to me that all the talk about e -isolation or condemnation of russia is just the same story. eh, the thing is, if look closely at the voting at the positions of the countries and at the statement and publications in the press of the national press, you can see that about 50 states are against russia. this is no more than 30. well, a maximum of 32% of gdp, all other countries that represent two -thirds of the planet's population and the main space potential of the planet, by and large, they either sympathize with russia, or even support russia in this struggle. why because the collapse of the unjust unipolar world is certainly in their interest is another question, what do they do? sometimes it's passive because they understand what direct

open support is. uh, and they can become, uh, the object of aggression and the west so they don't oppose, they just abstain. yes , they try to give, uh, passive support, but at the same time, let's look at real actions. uh, in fact, the entire sanctions policy against russia has failed. and all the talk about the energy blockade, the refusal to buy russian gas or oil, these were all talks absolutely nothing. and i think that it would be more correct to say that 2/3 e of the planet is more likely to be on the russian side or rather than on the side of the countries of the collective smell. this g20 summit reaffirmed china's clear and unambiguous position on the main aspects of the international agenda, and a position that is entirely consonant with our vision in international

relations and, uh, this vision has been voiced by our president more than once. here, in your opinion, what does the similar commonality of the position of belarus and china on modern conditions, well, the situation with china in general is very interesting. look, china, in fact , has been becoming a global factory for the whole world for several decades. now almost all goods that are sold both in the united states of america and in western europe are mainly produced in china and household appliances and machinery and equipment and construction is developing very rapidly in china . china has built a long-term strategy. uh, using essentially a lower level wages of chinese workers, but over time he gained economic military political power. he acted in accordance with the

rules of the global system. but, when he gained this strength, he said, dear, i am now in a different weight category. please move over. we act according to the rule that you came up with, but the west is not happy with this. that's it. the ability to act according to the rules to respect the rules is exactly what unites us in my opinion with china and china and the republic belarus we always declare our foreign policy as a policy based on the universally recognized principles of international law. here we have a lot in common, but another problem. and in us, again, and in china, this is that the west is in no hurry, uh, to fulfill what it once wrote. uh, you know, there's an expression gentleman, uh, only follows the rules when you win, and if he stops winning. he changes the rules. now this is

happening, and in relation to china, the west has set a course for the destruction of the chinese economy. the west has taken a course interference in the internal affairs of china, using , among other things, the taiwan factor. this is also not accepted by china and belarus does not accept interference in its own affairs by a sovereign state, therefore, it seems to me that we have much more in common than it might seem, and the second point is an excellent basis for the development of truly mutually respectful and mutually beneficial cooperation in the future. i would probably characterize it in this way , russian foreign minister sergei lavrov said that the european union has long been involved in a hybrid war in ukraine, let's listen to his statement recently. there is a war in ukraine, a hybrid war that the west unleashed and which it has been preparing for many years, starting

from the moment when it supported the coming to power as a result of the lord of openly racist neo-nazi forces. since then, nato has been actively developing the territory of ukraine, conducting exercises, putting down weapons. well, you know when events developed further, including the sabotage of the minsk agreements and including the start of preparations for a military operation against the donbass well, nato secretary general to him said that the alliance as a whole has already trained tens of thousands of ukrainian servicemen. the question is obvious, who is the aggressor? hmm well, i think we could look at the situation even more broadly. e context. uh, the point is that at the present time, in general, the entire global economy. she had come to, uh, a very difficult stage in her development. here is the socio-economic formation. e, which is

built on private ownership of borrowed capital in the market. she had reached her limits . she cannot develop further. uh, coming, a serious reformatting of the world. uh, it's a world so these kinds of crises are called phasic. this, when there is a change in the mode of production, is a difficult topic. i won’t go too deep into it, but as a rule. such a phase crisis is accompanied by, e, serious destruction of economic well-being to destroy and restore again. well, by and large. yes, but already on a new basis and the first. by the way, who understands? these were western western elites, we call them financially corporate circles in different ways. uh, financial corporate elites, representatives transnational corporation. but to put it simply, it's just western oligarchs. they are fused with power and power by and large. in

these countries acts in their interests. so these western oligarchies have decided that they need to again pour e resources that russia has managed to a certain extent over the past few decades. i'll be back. here after that wild privatization. e yeltsin period by and large , a lot. e. russia's natural resources have returned, uh, back. e to the state property is national property and now there is again an opportunity to get them back. therefore, this conflict is a conflict, uh, which can be characterized as follows in ukraine a national state. russia is at war, by and large, with a group of transnational oligarchs of the west who advocate such a new globalization on new

principles, which they called inclusive capitalism. which is never inclusive non- capitalism, if you don't go into it deeply, then this is, in principle, the logic of this idea, it is very interesting. they say let's give up the nation -state. they are huge. they are such complex leviathans. uh, bureaucratic we have multinational corporations that will run the world. this is a social responsibility corporation. oh, and, in principle, everything will be fine with us. what's the catch? how do you think? but the catch, probably, is that these states, which they are destroying, will develop. they will no longer develop absolutely corporations will profit. yes destruction is correct. that's very true assessment, the thing is that a corporation is a tool for making a profit for owners. this is not a state. this is not a state. they will not engage in social development. they will not strengthen the human potential only what is

needed for their production to generate profits; in general, the classical variant consent approach has been reported. yes, she had colonies that she did not develop and there should be only arab labor for a penny, because the slaves had to exclusively extract resources and supply them here this logic of inclusive capitalism, but the only thing he said was the organizer, yes, of the economic forum. he said to move to this system, which in general in reality can be called feudalism. uh, in order to move to this system, we need all the countries of the major countries to agree, uh, with this model, there were two countries that said no, very harshly, directly refused , russia, well, the east gave an answer. china, this happened about a year and a half ago, and what we see six months ago, russia was embroiled in an armed conflict. well, war. uh, our political scientist is a guest. andrey sech

recently suggested to us that the war is still from china, you will agree. let's not talk for now. about china i want to tell you about another very interesting aspect of this conflict. this is not a war between russia and ukraine. this is a war of these oligarchs, uh, who are used by the drugged ukrainian parts of the ukrainian population as cannon fodder for the destruction of russia, and the most, probably, the biggest mistake they made is that they translated this conflict into an ontological category. confrontation ontologically is a term that says that the conflict has no possibility for reconciliation, it is impossible to agree. so there are two parties to the conflict. someone alone must necessarily be destroyed, but such are the anthological tests. throughout its history, russia has gone through at least four times and each time it has come out

victorious. russia can lose the war, but it cannot lose the anthological conflict, as a result of which it will not be . steppe war e in the tenth century. this is the invasion of napoleon. this is the invasion of the commonwealth at the beginning of the 17th century, and this is the most terrible test - this is the second world war. and you tell me, but the smell has ever been successful in such ontological conflicts, i don’t remember. i can say one thing, here is an example of such a conflict in the west, this is the war of rome and crophagen. must be destroyed. this is a classic version of the same kind, the ontological conflict is a civil war. e in the united states north and south when north south, but it was a long time ago, but it's not allowed. it seems to me so far. it arose again

, let's say, so it arose again as a result of certain cycles. and what we have is that, it seems to me, it was a strategic mistake. west we can rather expect the collapse of the global economy, rather than russia's military loss in this conflict, rather the opposite will happen. if china joins, i want to include this chess game in ours. china is where china is exactly the same. eh, let's say so in the ranks of supporters of a multipolar world. this is the device that was offered as an alternative. here is this new non- globalization of this inclusive capitalism, according to the logic of things. in the same row, there are other major leading states and india and brazil and indonesia are very numerous. in general, two-thirds of the world. we have already talked about this. uh, another question that

seems to me that the western oligarchs. i will already use this term. they realized that they had to walk this path towards inclusive capitalism. just will not work. it seems to me that they have already set a course for the collapse of the whole world. they understand that there must be a reboot, when there is a logic of conflict, then the question arises: how much can you save for yourself? now they are thinking in this way how many material resources, what territories, they will be able to control after the collapse of the world? well, the second goal is to apply. as much damage as possible to everyone else so that they can not recover from this conflict so quickly. i think we're in this right now. historical period the collapse of the whole world. how is it possible that this is a nuclear war. i think that this will be connected primarily with the collapse of the global economy and there will be a redistribution. that is

, relatively speaking, there will be no more phones produced in china for the whole world. yes, and it will be in each macro-region in each group of states that unite into their own markets , a complete set will be made. e key strategic products of goods services, and between each other macro-regions will be mainly trade either with either food or only those goods that they cannot reproduce at home, that is, the world will change very seriously in this regard. do you believe in the success of these oligarchs that they will be able to immediately bring down. i think that to a certain extent, they will not succeed. do not bring down why. because they created this global financial system that has come to the limit of development. that is, it collapses. in any case, regardless of their desires, the question of when is the date is always a weak point of this kind

predictions, because to calculate all the factors that affect the speed of the process. well, probably no one can now, but in any case, i appreciate, uh, the opinion of various economists and political scientists and experts. uh, they say, practically everything is already for years, not a decade. and what will replace it? will come to replace, this one, these ones. no, no. no, they can't do it. best case scenario. they will be able to use this model in one of the centers. it will appear in one of the macro-regions. well, conditional speaking, five or six macro-regions of such large associations of states with their own markets with their own division of labor that will compete with each other and this will enable development for another 20-30 years. forward. turkey did not accept the condolences of the us embassy in connection with the recent terrorist in istanbul, the head of the

turkish ministry of internal affairs criticized the condolences of the us diplomatic mission and used an interesting comparison that it can be distinguished as if one of the first came to be killed to the site of the attack. in addition, information appeared that the woman who committed this attack was also preparing american tools. and immediately after this terrorist attack, a couple of days later, the following happened. uh, this is the signal of who? eh? who do you know? still, i would like to take the opportunity here to express my condolences to the turkish leadership and the turkish people, after all, this is the country in which i worked as an ambassador, and it is close to me very nice and the turks are turkish people and the turkish state is important that this country actively works and actively defends its own national interests. yes, they may have some regional ambitions, but they

really do everything to increase both the weight of turkey and the well-being of turkish citizens. and this policy sometimes collides and begins to conflict with interests. again, these notorious western oligarchs, they are being given to understand that they should not do this. first, through interstate diplomatic channels, but if the state. calm down, uh, this kind of thing goes into business terrorist attacks and the statement of the turkish leadership by the turkish minister of foreign affairs must be taken with all seriousness. they have reason to say this is the next stage of the confrontation. if turkey continues uh, these actions are likely that some kind of color revolution will be staged against them. let's remember in the sixteenth year in turkey they already tried to organize. military coup. by the way, the russian special services gave information. about the upcoming coup uh, erdogan

directly by life, in my opinion, someone is very yes, yes by and large. that's exactly it. uh, radical turkish radicals organized this assassination attempt, which unfortunately passed. well, tragically, let's move on to the next step. and now, you see, this is what it all says, about the fact that these above-national oligarchic structures are only interested in them. their profit is only their benefit. they are ready to sacrifice any state. even the allies will grow out after all, a nato member is an ally, uh, the western bloc, this is a serious signal. well, let's not forget everyone used to say that the west allegedly fighting terrorism. but there is such an organization to take muslims, they are present. in almost all countries of the middle east, the transitional government after the color revolutions is

as follows. you know that historically they were created somewhere in the late fifties by the british intelligence services of all time. they are to provide western intelligence services. today about it already. we are not even we, maybe we did not know, but now it is not difficult to guess about it. when you analyze the events that occur, this is the logic of actions. and here this western lobby, which put their own interests at the forefront and are ready to sacrifice. uh, no matter how many ordinary people, we are not aware of how cynically and harshly this policy is sometimes implemented, but we must understand this. i hope this understanding will come sooner or later. e universal. in the meantime, we will try to realize this, accept and understand, we will break for a while, i remind you, we have a telegram channel. say don't be silent. subscribe ask questions and suggest guests we are in touch. 48 favorites

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property in the west is sacred. the project does not mention the crimes committed by the colonial powers over the centuries, the consequences of slavery, the destruction of entire peoples who lived in the occupied territories, no one has ever paid and will not pay reparations to countries and peoples for damage, which, by the way, probably defies any evaluation. and for all the suffering that these countries and peoples endured, dmitry medvedev also spoke about this. i will quote the anglo-saxons are clearly trying to scrape together a legal basis for the theft of illegally seized russian assets. let them accept the same recommendation on the full compensation of the united states for the damage korea has caused to prominent iraq, yugoslavia and other numerous victims of the americans and nato in a different way. this looks like the beginning of the un's agony as chief

international institute for reconciliation, the end will be painful for the entire international society , we will live. and without such an organization of the united nations in quotation marks andrey vladimirovich well, maybe , indeed, he already lived himself as an international organization promoting reconciliation, which can replace a short remarque if you are already seriously understanding the ukrainian conflict, then logically, e, starting point - this is a coup e in kiev in the fourteenth year, which e was implemented with a complicity and with with the support of western countries, it turns out that it is they who must compensate for all the expenses and losses that have occurred in today's ukraine another question is that there are no legal grounds for this, of course, and in this regard , i completely agree with valentin e fisherman. as for the un, let's not forget that it was

created in the middle of the last century. after the end of world war ii, as an instrument of international cooperation, conditions in a bipolar world were two superpowers, the usa, the ussr and this tool worked very effectively. and he created a huge number of useful programs and , in general, he achieved the necessary and valuable results. uh, the situation went into disarray, uh, after the ninety-first year after the collapse of the soviet union, when, in fact, a unipolar world appeared. since that time, the un system has gone into crisis and is losing its influence. uh, in the first place, this is to blame. uh, the donor countries, and the so -called global hegemon, which began to simply grind this system, destroying it. uh, that's the neutral uh, the nature of international

projects and interactions within this organization. and i think it's not about the un. why. because the charter that was written, uh, was then in the middle of the 20th century. this is a unique document. this is truly an achievement of mankind. and we need to save it, and the second question is what? well, even if we suddenly cancel it as the gunas, then it will still be necessary to recreate some kind of multilateral format. i guess the more reasonable scenario here would be next we go through a period of conflict. and now if you use. e, the old testament sayings, from there now is the time to scatter stones, and not the time to collect them, but the time to collect stones, when it’s up to the shelter, when it will be necessary to develop new rules for the hostel, when there will already be a clear

understanding of the alignment of forces in this new world. after this phase crisis. so, then, uh, the leading countries will have to get together and implement the initiative of the president of belarus alexander grigoryevich lukashenko, who said get together and develop new rules of the game, this is the initiative that we have called helsinki 2, yes, and we will live by them. i think that after that we will succeed. he will give birth in his e former greatness. i think that it is not necessary to scatter stones too much, it is necessary to preserve this once magnificent instrument, which is now experiencing a crisis. and above all because of the member states. let's not forget that he is member states. and when there is no peace and harmony between them. here he is always will be with the crisis, everything is unbalanced, and everyone began to measure their strength. who has the right to what,

and, as i said, the western gentlemen decided to cancel almost all the rules that have been in effect in the global world so far. this is a time of uncertainty. this is a time of conflict. and this time always reveals. eh, the real essence of things, the real content of things. and it becomes obvious to everyone. well, we will probably also touch upon ukraine. the hungarian deputy congratulated poland on a recent day. dependent and wished her again have a common border with hungary. and he accompanied it. uh, this is a congratulation from such a photograph, uh, in it a hungarian and a pole shake hands after the capture of carpatho- ukraine by hungary in 1939, one would like to ask if irresponsible behavior will divide ukraine among themselves. i want to recall here also a historical fact, the point is that after the forty- fifth year there was one unshakable principle that everyone observed, the inviolability of post-war borders

in europe, in fact, this very principle became the key to peaceful coexistence. for already more than 75 years, a tough political decision that was reached in yalta by three leaders of the state. in principle, it worked, as well, but this principle was destroyed. how do you know when ? when? well, when the ussr was divided, no, no, not even . this is when yugoslavia really began to be divided. hmm. he was already staggering then. well, he was finally buried by the americans when they recognized kosovo. and since then, almost all the talk about revising the borders of europe e has not only not subsided, but, on the contrary, has intensified. dangerously. why because, uh, the question is not only about galicia, which was once

part of poland, the question is and is identified not from gdansk, which were once german territories, hungary has, uh, serious claims not only to ukraine, but also romania, where there are evidence of a compact residence of the ethnic hungarian population and its belonging to germany, has already been raised even by scholz, hinting to the poles that the process begins, it turns out a revision of the border in europe and beyond any doubt. uh, it's a very dangerous path, eh take the middle east, where in general the borders of the state are drawn along the territory of the former possession of the colony, france and great britain. that is, there are even more reasons for local conflicts. it's just a reason. this is a policy of such revanchism, i share it and rule. yes, this is the kind of conflict. they are just, well, brushwood for kindling the fires of war by and large

and very often the cause of real confrontations as soon as some state weakens. if there are such conflicts, then their neighbors. immediately they begin to make claims to the territory of this state. i think that this situation should be considered in this vein, this is a dangerous path and a path that we can not ignore. and i think that in this regard , the position of belarus is the most thoughtful and logical. we not only have a well-trained, trained army, but also, as part of our defense initiatives from the russian federation , an attack on belarus will mean an attack on the union state, and this, in principle, excludes the possibility of such a local conflict over our borders and in any case sharply reduces

this probability. oh, recently aleksey aristovich told where he gets the information that he transmits to his brother’s smith information and housing you have access to short information with inom’s access i’m not the states how do you assess the level of training of this adviser who takes information from his head. well, let's do it right here. we need to clarify this situation very clearly. this is not a journalist. and this is not a source of information. he is a psychological fighter. he is essentially an information saboteur who works. e on creating a distorted public opinion, that is, a question about the truth. no, here, if we consider him as saboteurs, then this is very prepared. running, he is well versed in neuro-linguistic programming techniques, er in his behavior. one can even see a certain element of

erection use of ericksonian hypnosis techniques. here, but once again i emphasize the truth or some kind of objective assessment of information, there has not been and will never be effective. and yes, this is effectively combat denis who is trying brainwash and lead away from the real situation. well, how effective is he then, if he himself admits that, in principle, he does not own any secret information. all these publications, how many millions does he have? i understand why you are asking the right question. here is what we often confuse, different things, there is a conflict on the ground of real power. yes, there is an economic situation and there is an information war and sometimes. the differences between what is happening on earth and what is happening in the copper space, they are not just colossal, they are directly

opposite; this is an amazing fact, but a problem. here's any media win is that it doesn't last too long. it disappears, in any case, no matter how well it is implemented, but the real situation on earth remains. and today we very often see these inconsistencies in media pictures . yes, yes, this is absolutely true, and we will see many more such stories. last time you promised us to dwell on the united states and the results of the midterm elections have already been announced. the democrats did not lose the senate, but the lower house has a majority, after all, the republicans in congress have managed to create an oppositional blockade. should we count on major changes in state policy towards both russia and ukraine and belarus well, the short answer is definitely

no, uh, let's talk. uh, so, that means that the democrats and republicans are all funded. uh, by the american oligarchs, well, now, we have already agreed to use this term a and american elegants are only interested in maintaining their own dominance, so they have a complete consensus regarding the need to destroy or complicate life for everyone. uh, other countries, be it russia, be it china. no matter what country, they will always pursue this particular policy. it's a very old policy in the us as soon as they have internal problems. they have always created a large number of local conflicts in order to lower the level of well-being of the rest of the world and to against this backdrop, the united states began to look again like an island

of well-being, like a temple on a hill. here is the usual approach. uh, enough of such an ogre yes in general, what we are reading to you is another question that we should not forget that now we have e we have witnessed a serious elite conflict within the united states itself and we see it, it is unfolding constantly and very seriously these are the oligarchs of the real sector with financial oligarchs. moreover, the conflict is so serious that one of them will have to fade into the background. and maybe even seriously go broke. and this is a chance for peace, because for now they will sort things out. other countries have, uh, an opportunity. well, let's say so to solve their problems, but they also understand this. they understand that they have to create problems for the whole world while they solve their internal american problems, so we should not expect any change in the foreign

policy of the united states. well, this civil conflict. which we have already mentioned north south, they still have this problem. they believe, when they decided it, they decided it for that historical period. now she has been revived in a slightly different way. uh, in a different architecture, and in a different, uh, kind of hypostasis. yes, this is a conflict between the industrial sector and the information economy or information or the service economy, by the way, here on your map you can also clearly see both coasts for the democrats. and the center of the industrial center is for the republicans. and the democrats are the service economy of the republicans. well, you don’t have to choose among them, it’s almost the same a society alien to us, built on completely different principles, so i hope that, well,

ordinary americans will be able, after all, someday to reach those values, the founding fathers of america, when democratic institutions really worked, when, in general, the majority of american e businesses. these were small medium businesses, and they will be able to object to this american spirit and cease to be a global region that simply robs. all other countries. the oligarchs must disappear. well, i suppose the upcoming financial crisis. this may become quite a reality. if not all, then very many, but andrei vladimirovich explain to me another phenomenon. here we are, somehow i don’t know everything about him, our part of the world. we do not perceive them as enemies, not in an acute phase, when everything is already more or less. let it calm down and balance. in general, we are glad to go to them and we receive them very well. but er my experience suggests that the

americans after all. well, she's always a little cocked, that's it, uh, russians. this is not it, friends. i think there is a moment why in a certain sense. eh, the russophobic policy was carried out by the countries of the collective west of western europe, starting, probably, with ivan the terrible, moreover, they perfectly understood that it was impossible to destroy russia by force. and you can only bet on the manipulation of betrayal from the inside. that's what they are, of course, always worried. they made attempts. we have already said, therefore, yes, such a policy is being carried out here, it is not about the united states of america. i think that the content of e political us institutions over the past literally decades.

we come to this crisis when you talk about what we perceive. hmm uh, positively more or less so peacefully. eh, then we still have relationships to people to ordinary people, and here. i agree. i am ready to support you, we have nothing to share with ordinary americans or with ordinary british or french, we easily find a common language with poles and sletovites, but the political stems of shmin are sharpened for something else, and not sharpened to ensure their own dominance. and for this they need save this hierarchical system, which allows you to pull out both financial and material, yes, and human resources and periphery countries. including from our countries, uh, and. when we say that we have a conflict. we have conflict with this system, but we have no conflict with ordinary people. this needs to be shared, and now i'm going to take a short break. after a short pause, we will return to this studio while you have time

to subscribe to our telegram channel. that's what it's called. say don't be silent. leave your comments. ask questions. offer us guests, and look for all our releases on the youtube channel of belarus 1. today there are a lot of predictions about what the elections will be like, who will run as a candidate, uh, for the american elections. i believe that it is too early to draw any conclusions, despite the statement and trump. and it looks like biden. i doubt that they will be real candidates, and in 2024 we can rather assume a change of political generations, and completely different political leaders will come in their place, who will apparently determine a completely new political landscape in the united states and

we will continue to have deputy of the house of representatives andrey vladimirovich as our guest. uh, the discussion of the united states and its so-called democracy the whole world saw numerous violations of inconsistencies during the recent us election campaign. genius of concern about these elections, we will wait or no one will dare to doubt the most democratic american democracy. well, i think that we won’t wait, but even if someone doubts, then, in fact, the americans, this is not very worried here, by the way, there is a very interesting fact. uh, after all, in fact, the american state, american political institutions began to be created after uh, the independence was at the end of the 18th century. and when they announced their declaration of independence became a question. and how will we form our state system and at that moment, they decided to found the fathers and decided to use as

an analogue the political institutions of great britain that were created back in the 16th century under the queen and tudor. that is, in fact, they they were borrowed, but if in the uk they naturally continued to develop, then in the usa they froze and we, in fact, have a political organization and system of the 16th century with small minor changes. here is such a historical incident. why did this happen? well, this is a question for the researchers. i think that they improved financial and corporate legislation well. well , the political system seemed to them not such an important matter, on the contrary, it allows for money or to solve any issue, given that the cost of e us presidential campaign this is at least $ 800 million now and a billion, then why

improve anything, if all the same, everyone depends on the oligarchy correctly. if problems can be solved with money someone is not a problem. these are the expenses. i agree with you. this is where it all emerges. and the fact that they are allegedly fighting for democracy and freedom around the world is an instrument of social pressure on other countries. they see very clearly where there is vulnerability in young uh, young societies or social systems and understand that if this approach is introduced there, then there will simply be disorganization , a color revolution will occur, and then national states will fall even more for us. as i understand it, in this regard, the main thing is to preserve your national state and your sovereignty . the only chance. and to go through this historical period with, let's say, with minimal losses, this is the strengthening of the national state. this is the protection

of traditional values, because all traditional values. they are, in fact, ensure the preservation of the family team. eh, society as a whole, yes, and if we implement such a policy, then we will certainly be able to protect our interests, but since belarus is still a relatively small state on the scale of the global world. especially when compared to such giants as the us or even the uk, we still need to think about the choice of allies. these allies should be states that are our traditional partners. we've lived side by side for centuries sometimes often in one state, if we still manage to unite with them, then we will be able to provide a critical mass that will allow us

to solve very many problems in general with minimal costs. who would you call our mestorian allies, that these are, in principle, the cis countries, to some extent, i understand that now in very many countries. e. the same problem as in western europe, a large volume or a large number of elites , they are focused on the global world. and it needs to be a reboot. uh, second group of countries - these are countries that pursue an independent foreign policy in the interests of their own state in the interests of people of citizens who are ready to work to improve their well-being. an excellent basis for establishing good-neighborly mutually beneficial contacts. this is china iran turkey india even those countries that i have listed are more than enough to form the basis

for the progressive development of belarus for these countries. including the population of the earth has crossed the mark of 8 billion people. is it good news? andrey vladimirovich, she cannot be judged whether she is good or bad. it's just a fact uh-huh question. in what context do we place it? well, if we recalled, er, the forum in davos, we remember that, well, quite recently there was an idea from one of the forum participants that the world's population should decrease by 50%. there are also harsher assessments, but here you are right about it. that's exactly the context, the point is that the biological resources of the planet. the earth can easily feed up to thirty billion people. these are the estimates of scientists, but another question is that, uh then you need to build a society where the interests of each person will be taken into account equally, where there will be no hierarchy, and where there will be no such redistribution. uh,

there are other serious studies that say that human growth will stop somewhere around 11-12 billion. that is, this is a natural population growth curve that we already see in different countries of the world later. well, then, most likely, uh , the population will fluctuate at the same level until humanity can go beyond the limits of the earth, then again we can expect. ah, new growth. uh, this, well, in systems theory, let's say such a principle is being considered, but all this talk about the fact that so many people are not needed. they go just again, here are western oligarchs who no longer need such a number of qualified working engineers who were necessary at the stage of the industrial revolution, if we move to the information economy and to the sixth

technological treasure, then robots will work there to a greater extent. automation artificial intelligence and so on people are not needed, and they begin to perceive people as extra mouths. this just again shows this cynicism, this consumerist attitude, including towards human nature, uh, which we see now uh, in and in inciting these local conflicts and increasing the number of victims from armed conflicts in all countries of the world. this is about the same, so 8 billion is normal. maybe 12 up to thirty that's another question, what else to try to grow to such a number on the other on the other hand, the increase in the number of population is a natural progressive process, since if humanity fails to go beyond the e planet earth, then it will, of course, in any case.

can you inspire? thank you very much for this interesting conversation. we tatyana shcherbina victoria popova say goodbye to you today. goodbye. goodbye. and now andrei savinykh is speaking, dear viewers. we live with you in a difficult contradictory time. yes, there are serious tests ahead, but it seems to me that the course that already chosen by the republic. belarus, those achievements, the work that has been carried out in our country is a good basis and creates confidence that we will be able to overcome many, if not all, difficulties in a completely and quite acceptable way. i would like to wish you, first of all, optimism. calmness and unity on this basis, we will not win.

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