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alexandrovna good evening. good evening. two years before the new elections in may 2022. you promised to come to belarus and you did not keep your promise. i will even say this, because your first visit to our country. oddly enough, in her whole long life , she happened to get out, so this is my first first trip in belarus to minsk and what is the purpose of looking at the blue eye and all this? i managed to feel something, of course, of course, an amazing impression. yesterday. it all went through such a piercing pain and gratitude in

the museum of the great patriotic war. so this topic always touches me very deeply. that is, you know it, as with the will of the heart and with tears in your eyes, when you see. how, firstly, she withstood the most, took upon herself the first blow of belarus the people of belarus during the great patriotic war. what suffering did you endure? how many nameless heroes still laid down their lives even until now, and this cannot leave you absolutely indifferent, that is, for me this is the deepest impression and and from people of this atmosphere, that is, if i used to, uh, you know us, well, in belarus they are very fond of and in the hands of the belarusian in russia, that is, as you know, it is believed that now he is a belarusian very calm, very hardworking people, patient, very clean, neat, many good, many good words. a, but one thing all my life in absentia

is good to treat and understand to love. that’s how it is in absentia, but it’s another thing when you come to feel it and you understand that your heart will really say it with love, yes, it makes me very happy, because you say that many russian officials prefer belarus to come here. uh, soviet belorussia yes, and the truth is already hurting the ears a little, and we perceive it somewhat. well , it's not clear, yes. why do you have such a definition? well, let's say. our country is very positive, i will take it that way. you know, i was actually born born in uzbekistan that is, i have a very difficult fate of my relatives on the side of my father and siberia on the side of my mother. uh, i have it in voronezh, because it was also during the war that you

had an evacuation, and my grandfather and father were dispossessed of us. i mean his family at the time. and as you know, paradoxically, kulakov were usually exiled in siberia. but then it turned out that they had to flee to central asia. and now this time is uh, so the war is after the war and there is already post-war time. uh, i undressed and, uh, you know, you know, people from all over the soviet union came there then. i remember ours, i was in school. out of 30-something people in the class, there were at least twenty people of 27 nationalities, different different different very diverse, including the volga germans. well, everyone and belarusians, there were ukrainians and uzbeks. naturally. and there weren’t just any tatars, yes, and that’s the environment in which we grew up, first of all, respect. you're respect and desire to understand, we went to visit each other,

they treated us to their national dishes there, that is, the interest in respecting another culture, other traditions, and respect. you understand you can not invade the national environment like that. uh, you know, with a heavy boot, but you can’t, because sometimes, when you don’t understand, it seems to you that it’s normal to drop this phrase, but people, especially i know it, because i worked a lot in the caucasus but this is what i had in my childhood laid down. there are some nuances that you think are nothing special. or maybe she hurt more than just a person. can i offend people, so you have to be that's what i've had since childhood. this is delicacy, subtlety, respect and desire to understand, yes, but, well, what can i say? eh, you understand? we all still have blood mixed in. yes, here in each of us and ukrainian belarusian and belarusian and and here is the feeling of our

slavic paganism, yes, and the mentality and common history of our country is the soviet union we do not care, well, i uh, forgive me, next year will be 70 years old. yes, that is, but we grew up, you can’t reject it, you understand, and there was a lot of good and it is inherent in us and er. well, apparently all this, well, shaped my character and attitudes like this, so for me. well, here, i say, absentee love and intimacy, and now here it is, i just felt, thank you. well, uh, look at the chairmen of the cec of belarus and russia, uga karpenko and panfilova, a communist. well, i'm so for myself. yes, here's how you succeed and whether you managed to find a consensus, there are no problems at all, and i'll tell you. why. first, we are both in this case as

heads of electoral systems. what is electoral system at all? it already in itself predetermines something like a democratic way of forming power through elections, and uh, i will say that all these stereotypes have outlived their usefulness . now everything has collapsed. right now, in recent years, especially when compressed time is growing , dynamism is growing in general, that is, we are entering a new historical era in general. and this ideological epoch is generally a way. i'd so she said, this is now a challenge for all of humanity. to be or not to be? in what coordinate system, how are we? will we be able to get out of the impasse into which we drove to the west with our own? yes will we be able to

find ways for wildlife to coexist with this world, harmoniously? how are we going to build at all? what quality of life should be the quality of interaction with everyone. uh, well, let's say this with all the representatives. here is the creation of this being. these are the most important philosophical questions. yes, and in this case, we all have to answer to this, and here all these stereotypes are political clichés, they all collapsed, what is modern communism. take a communist, take it and today we were in the temple, yes, and uh, no matter how we say. uh, well, the soviet era. you should be an atheist, and so on and so forth now, but this is not the case, many are communists, they are believers or they perceive it very much. peaceful refers to religions, then i, for myself, i can’t understand this definition of a democrat, and in general the

communists are a democrat of communism - this is an ideology. in my opinion, and the color of winter is the way the formation of power is more a procedure, and not some kind of gem ideology. well, what, here i have been without sports since the ninetieth year. here i am, despite all the myths did not set foot, i came to the communist party with the advent of gorbachev in 85 with faith in the variable. let’s say with nadezhda how quickly he left this party in the nineties with great disappointment and already distrust, because he began to do it in the nineties before, a year before the path happened and how the path and when everyone ran from there in a year until then ever since. i didn't enter either in one party and my ideological. here, i would say that the idea is much more complicated than those political clichés. yes, i am a very

free inner person, so i value the freedom of others. and yes, i think, well, let's say something. i am very tolerant and liberal, but on the other hand. i am still a deep patriot and i think that now in my opinion. even if we take our country, and how this is a dramatic situation that has developed, how society has shown it. everyone now manifests itself in a new quality, and now these they all collapsed all these lags. are we now for the country or are you for destroying it, not just against it, but on someone's side. that is why we have all of our most important political forces. don't look everyone you know turned out to be so mature. and then there was an understanding that all our ideological contradictions are different. now they are secondary. come on, if we join forces now. let's save the country. and then, already on the

path of its development, when yes, we will solve these nuances, so no, i don’t see any we have a lot in common. and now we discussed today and just the main task, without imposing anything on each other, we appreciate the specifics of the national specifics of the system, each with its own or catarrhal cultures, but at the same time we will share experience, we will share experience, we will develop what, for example, is acceptable from us for you acceptable from you. here is how we develop. well, since you have already touched on, yes, the topic of democracy or liberalism. you have served as commissioner for human rights. uh, from the fourteenth to the sixteenth year, and they led, er, the movement of civic dignity. at least what i read yes were in the democratic opposition. and

in general, here's the word since we have already touched on this democracy and human rights. yes, at a certain moment, you must agree, they were for the soviet people, especially such a magical light. this is how it is, this is the faith in which the new faith, which they tried to impose on us, but for the last couple of years, they have discredited themselves so much that i don’t know, frankly speaking, how to relate to them and it’s not time or, in principle, not to introduce new definitions. that is why the vaunted western democracy does not evolve, but degrades and how true. this is the saying that democracy is dead. well, for now , the people will live, and the desire for the people to form a state, a society, a country. well, that is, the very concept of beggars, it’s just necessary, but in the old sense it collapsed, because if and how those countries that have

appointed themselves as the light of winter have painted themselves, that is, they are actually advanced. you look there everything happened. there they turned into democratic werewolves. i would say why a is the foundation of democracy. it is, of course, the power of the people. maybe drinking motley be. there i will not list a whole series, but the main signs, but i will say one thing. that is, this majority forms the rule, but the rights of minorities are respected. yes, let's say this is the classical understanding of democracy. and what happened to us in the west now, we have a dictate of a minority and shut up this majority, or is there an imitation with him, no one what kind of democracy it is. this is a perversion. you understand this perversion. eh, so what can i say? and i actually say. i always

thought that there was more of a soviet person in me, yes, or that's when the union collapsed yes and a. we wanted change, we wanted something new. and so i remember myself. well, she was pretty young. we were, you know, not only me, and i think, lord, well, what a fool i was sometimes. yes, why, because we were both naive and gullible, we really hoped that the west would be friends with us, that the west is ready to help us, that is, we believed all the hypocrisy that fell upon us for the first time when i was appointed minister of social protection. that is the most difficult time. uh, late 1991. it was just here on january 15 november uh-huh actually. today we have 17 today. 91 so that's 31 years ago, huh? and

when horror came to me, my classmates, who i am an electronics engineer, and ended up with them and, uh, my guys, all the scythe students worked in it in boxes in others, everyone began to close everything became is collapsing. all were yesterday. they were democrats. everyone wanted change, and today they were left without anything without understanding that, and in this horror and chaos, but they became when i saw how to tell you. the new owners are those who felt like new owners, the international monetary fund, the world bank, which opened the offices of high officials with their feet. i remember that they came to me as a minister and began to offer there, well, in fact, if these are the recommendations, then this means in fact. i divided by 10, what did they say? i realized that actually, well, to extinction to close.