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placenta, of course, and becoming a participant is very simple , just submit an application on the 100ds.by website and, let's say, briefly describe your project. well , then wait until they contact and tell you how to pass the qualifying round. well, the acceptance of applications for this year has already started, how active our youth is. and what spheres are generally interesting to her, that this social sphere can be medicine, some other areas, young people are quite active. acceptance of applications. it started quite recently, and about 100 of them have already arrived and i would like to note that that applications have already been submitted in all areas in all nominations, but the very first was an application, just in the field of agro-industrial technologies. by what criteria will you select the finalists in general, what is important, and what is important is the novelty of the idea, and it is also important how realistic it is to implement, that is, what practical interest it represents for our
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motherland well, there has been a competition for 12 years already. which ideas have been successfully implemented? and i can bring. e, example e, c. for example, in sapra, uh, that means, uh, there is a project that involves an automatic creation of a design layout for the design of electric stoves, fireplaces and barbecue complexes, the project has been successfully implemented since the nineteenth year and since then . uh, they were used not only on the territory of the republic of belarus, but also in the russian federation in ukraine and even in the baltic countries . uh-huh. or, for example, a project by alexander glupkin. this is a cosmetic complex bloderm, it is successfully implemented as a series of creams that help in the treatment of wounds and skin restoration in atopic dermatitis. well and what gives the developers, here is the competition by the studio for belarus, or any support , including the financial finalist. all of our e
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projects that finalists can take part in the competition of innovative projects. well, for their further implementation of funding, and the winners of the projects apply for funds in the amount of 57 basic units for the development of business plans, all the finalists will be 20. yes, the total finalists are not quite finalists. it turns out for us. uh, well, there will be selections from all over the republic and there are only two winners - 20. we have 10 nominations and competitive selection in each nomination. we choose two winners in different age categories, the winners of the belarusian project. then they become participants in the international similar project 100 ideas for the cis with what results do our guys return from there? and the competition is held every two years by studios for the cis, therefore, based on the results of two seasons, we select 10 projects, and for participation it is at the already international e-contest. uh, for example, i can
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say that last year it was held in armenia and 10 projects from the republic of belarus participated there and three of them won, and these were the nominations of security, environmental management, and industrial technology. well, thank you ekaterina lakisova, head of the project of the studio for belarus, answered the questions of the program as a result of the analysis of the main events of this week in the information and analytical program. all projects of our tv channel are available on the belarus 24.by website, as well as in social networks. i'm sorry to you. all the best.
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postscript program today our guest is petr petrovsky political scientist ilya begun, political analyst, let's talk. today we are talking about one of the most popular professions today , and not so long ago the head of state held a meeting on this topic. let's start with the general ones. what place does the it sphere occupy today in the overall structure of the belarusian economy, with which it can be compared, it does not stand out in a separate system, sphere, we have telecommunications. that's all there is to it, so e stands out. here, specifically, what part it occupies there is quite difficult, but it is no more than five percent three five, so according to various calculations, the percentage of our economy is the second moment. we must also be sober about the science-intensiveness of us from technology.
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this is mainly outsourcing, which hmm is included in the western, first of all, technological chains. and, uh, his earnings are connected, firstly, with the good training of it specialists in belarus, and the second point is that we have a good history. e image that we we always fulfill all our requirements within the framework of it and a belarusian programmer with it. sl- easy. it is easy to negotiate with him, and to conduct business, therefore, when they choose from the big set, and belarusians offer one of the top ones and moreover, their payment is more top-notch than in some western countries. we will also talk in general which countries they mainly work for, which says that it works on the external logistics chain for which countries of work, well, first of all, outsourcing, if we
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we are talking about this segment in the telecommunications sector, but it was focused on the united states, great britain, the countries of europe and only partly on asia, and they themselves were the largest paying customers. for a long time, it was the west, which we today call, so to speak , the collective west, including the cis countries, which are also large oil companies. e business banks were quite active clients of our it business. and what is happening now in general in such a global it-sphere and, as far as you know, logistical chains in the conditions of such an external crisis, and they are preserved and so that what will happen next, whether our it specialists will have a job, for that very external period, firstly, now there is a certain growth ceiling in these industries. why because the salary that was formed among it specialists was associated with a certain shortage of these specialists in the common global
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market. now we are coming to the conclusion that this deficit is gradually being eliminated in our country as well. the same process will take place as happened with engineers, at the end of the economist there are no engineers at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century, when they became by the middle of the 20th century, these are average specialists with an average salary. here is the alignment. now the industry will enter the second moment, which should be identified, this is the sanctions war between the collective west and the conditional collective east. uh, which hmm stops some. eh, some connections bring out some of the players in the western market, if we look at the belarusian ones, it brings out the players quite strongly and the question arises. and where to belarusian it to go? it is clear that here inside the eurasian market. it is small enough for
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this area and here we see such a hybrid scenario a the science intensity of these technologies, that is, not a fast process is a strategic process and the second moment, which can be faster , is a reorientation to the countries of southeast asia , primarily china this is enough market capacity . there 's plenty of question in another. firstly, and this is in the ability to work with such a specific chinese market, and the second moment is mental readiness it companies and specialists who work there e interact with the chinese, because this is a different corporate culture. it may seem to many who are especially infected. this is western corporatism and values. it may seem uncomfortable and, uh, an example of this, is the history of our entire theory of the industry, where u
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are fairly solvent markets in southeast asia for them, they are not a priority so far, despite the fact that china is a strategic partner for us, but in general, prospects for the it industry in belarus has certain moments of doubt, but these are rather risks. i would name them first of all, you need to understand that our it sphere is roughly divided in half. that is, half - it's just the private sector and the state another half in terms of personnel. i mean it's pt that is. here they should be clearly separated pvd, approximately 80% of this outsourcing has its own structure, and therefore the remaining part of these industries in belarus is not so dependent, because it mainly works for domestic markets. or is it a private relationship with specific clients. these are not large outsourcing companies. so, outsourcing companies have a problem when a recession or some kind of global phenomenon begins, as in the twentieth year it was the case with companies in the first place to cut costs.
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what exactly to outsource. they are suspending development. well, software, because they are already functioning, and they may not incur additional costs for some time, thus they are forced to suspend companies or pay salaries to employees from out of pocket or even reduce them, that is, here is a recession, which is now actively large entrepreneurs in the united states say that the united states is entering a recession phase, europe is already in it , and some countries have already recognized this inside. and right at the time of the recession, its beginning, it is outsourcing that begins to experience the biggest problems, so now this is half of our almost half of our theory of the industry. here is how peter correctly told them east. it will be very difficult, because sometimes belarusians are chosen between belarusians and hindus, who also make up a very powerful information cluster. these are not the indians
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who in the nineties wrote for lines of code payment. it's already there. companies with a good corporate culture and high quality, and we compete with them, but they often sign contracts with us, because we are europeans, it is easier to communicate with us. we have a good cultural code, it is easier to communicate with us a single cultural code, and we know english well, that is, how not to twist is problematic, probably, even in the field of communication, the chinese know english. fine. believe me. yes, here, here are the indians, in principle, a former colony, where the english language of the state in india is sometimes very this. yes, this is again a question of a more mental nature, but here i would focus on science intensity and on linking to our industrial class. this is the main question. why because, unfortunately? here is this subsidizing subsidy for
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largely through tax incentives in the it sector, which took place from the middle of zero years until recently, it has led to a certain bias and leaching of personnel from our industrial cluster. why as they say, get there conditionally 1,000 dollars, if i can go and get 2,500, and for what they paid such money, and the salary of it specialists is some kind of absolutely mythical figure. why such salaries? where do these amounts come from? here we must understand that, unlike, for example, peter people working in belarus where our employers are belarusians, and we work in belarus thus our full production cycle. so to say , the goods or services are located in belarus. for an it specialist, the customer, of course, is abroad and in fact. why does outsourcing exist at all? there are americans, british, germans and so on, who have their own internal salaries, based on these economic conditions, but in order to find cheaper specialists
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in regions where wages are lower, but at the same time no worse quality. they shoot there, in fact, that's the whole specificity of outsourcing, and therefore they actually pay not their american or british salary there, but not our average belarusian salary in order to involve good interesting personnel here, including our salary of it specialists . they are kind of overheated. that is, we compete in salaries in some places even with st. petersburg and moscow, and this is an abnormal situation, in fact, it is formed solely from the external conjuncture, because a person using the internet can work remotely, that is in fact, they work in the american or the british or some other market not in the belarusian one, this is the fundamental difference. why is it sometimes not even very correct to compare their salaries with the belarusian ones. i would also add here, because for the most part an it company is a transnational corporation. and often even in the vast majority of cases. they are registered in the so-called offshore zones,
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that is, they do not carry any social burden, they are, by and large, from a social point of view are parasites that use the benefits of belarusian education . and this is the main problem of the it industry and our task is to ensure that these companies are belarusian, that they work on our technological chains and are socially responsible. they just sucked the brains out of our education and used it and said, but we won’t invest your education, because everyone understands perfectly well that specialists with education, uh, who can be the same programmers they uh, say goodbye to salaries, and go to work as well and education can leak. and besides this, part of
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the company is now being forced to go abroad this one and also has this one, how much of a problem is this for our spirituality, because they move with whole families, and we are losing, including young and promising, we are faced with the fact that many times specialists told the it specialist where trade union organizations enter the industry. we have the biggest the problem with hiring a worker between the employer of employees not in the state is one in the private sector and enter the industry. in particular, there is just no one to protect the rights of these hired workers, because the it specialist is, by and large, the proletarians of mental labor. yes, if, according to the leninist marxist scheme, it is proletarian. they think it's pseudo bourgeois. this is due to the difference, yes, which is paid here, and this is the first point. the second point, and when they move abroad , they face what problems, but here in
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belarus they had a social package, belarusian free medicine, education is quite good. uh, security infrastructure. they come to another country, firstly for belarus , firstly, they are foreign citizens. hmm they need to rent a house. if it's some kind of warsaw there. well, it's 600-700 uh euros. uh, free medicine. there is no problem with education. okay yourself children. integration into the foreign language space perspectives of the retirement age, who will pay the pension? uh, i'm not talking about problems with uh infrastructure and other things, moreover, against the backdrop of a special military operation, there is a certain policy of some western companies hmm to force russians and belarusians out of the industry. that
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is, such cultural ethnic racism in the business sphere, and many have the choice to remain it in this regard, or, nevertheless, some of them have already begun to return. who went tried and returned, despite the fact that he had lost. there work company and so on. i'm not going far. no, if we abstract, then, of course, the numbers high. i did just a few months ago. uh, the summary of our personnel in the telecommunications sector is precisely their dismissal. so i summed up the statistics, and from the beginning of 21 to the middle of spring of the twenty-second difference. do you know how many personnel were less than 20 in total, that is, despite the fact that there was an outflow associated with the political events of the twentieth year. then , anyway, there was an influx of personnel in the sector, because
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new young personnel are graduating from the college of universities, they are graduating from courses, even now part is back. uh-huh falls. now returned. but no, at that time e was approximately aligned. that is, no matter how, no matter who shouted, the difference of several thousand was in fact with a total staffing of over 70,000 at that time, so it was within the margin of error. this very political special operation, which introduced additional adjustments, was the second wave of this temporary current, but as we know that here it is more likely an influx somewhere, and a wave, it tends to roll back, and here people will live for three to six months, someone then a little longer someone is ashamed to admit to himself that he was still wrong someone forced the company. he will not immediately go against her, but most of the people will return already now, returning from those waves, so this is not a problem, especially in the background. not this recession developing in the west, let
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's see if they finally live abroad. they will just see that this is not some kind of talk, what is good somewhere there? well, live where it's good. have they faced a different problem with our economy? now this wave will come back. as you said, do we have enough capacity to provide jobs for all those who have returned? our main task is not just some jobs to provide thoughts, we must provide a job. e. our task is to increase the knowledge intensity and surplus value of this product to make this product more sovereign. now we have started to produce a belarusian laptop, and software. whose on it is the first task. and what is software is the ability to control your information
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space it and from safety in tomsk first of all because transnational corporation. we remember how they threw trump off twitter. we know. what is the policy of some hmm hosting in and our television channels of the information space. uh, what social networks are pursuing and without it - i would not say a word of control without the internet being in the belarusian legislative field, and this one can only be provided by the it industry, without this we will not be a full-fledged sovereign state. for this need people. this requires science. to do this, you need a product. and this means that i would still like to see these specialists often, at least. it was the creation
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of a good it-cluster in the academy of sciences that would be engaged not in outsourcing, but in depth development, which went into the scientific sphere. as the iron experts say. here is our task. and there are generally attempts to create. well , relatively speaking, we all know that this is probably the most famous one, yes, and promoted. and these projects in our country, there are are similar or are they working on similar? well, for example, there in the academy of sciences or some centers for work. here we have some institutes of informatics from soviet times. uh, there uh, we can hear less of it why because they don’t work not for the market, they work for science, that is, for the future and for strategy belarusian school of cybernetics belarusian school, artificial intelligence exists simply, our main problem is that we are in zero years, uh, the task before us was, uh, to preserve personnel and competencies in
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belarus, therefore let's go the easiest way service through outsourcing companies prepares the west. now our task is to correct this and form our own sovereign cluster of science-intensive cluster that will work on our country. uh, here it is necessary to say not only how much time is needed. and that's at least five years. and how much more money is needed, this should be certain investments in specialists in creating the entire infrastructure. uh, in order for this to function and be competitive, good sanctions. eh, they help us with this and the fact that there is a certain deficit on the russian market. e such products. this is also our advantage. just talked last year with representatives from the academy of sciences, they described the process. here it is. eh, in many ways driving. uh, factor, rent something else just in the west. the difference is that they
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are often allocated grants that must be non- refundable. that is, even if the so-called venture funds did not work out, that is, private financing is going on, including we have a problem what kind of and in the academic environment that even if you raise funds do you ask the academy of sciences for funds for some kind of research? you just break something, but within, in my opinion, 5 years must return this amount twice. that is, even if the hypothesis turned out to be wrong, then in this case, even if it turned out to be true, then you still drown very much as a bureaucrat. that is, we also need to reconsider some approaches, why sometimes they don’t want to interact with us inside the country, in particular, yes, work some kind of toy for western countries rather than work for our economy, because sometimes these requirements are imposed, they do not correspond to market conditions , too, which is not always possible to pay back the study. here in such a direct time in such a sum. you said that e waves after the political events in connection with the special operation in 2020. and
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the sphere to go quite actively supported the protest, which then became a driving force for it people. we talked about the fact that salaries are higher than belarusian e, tax preferences. and the appearance that everything ok. why well, this is actually the main factor. in my opinion, because when your salary is much higher. the average salary in the it sector is approximately four times higher in belarus, yes, yes, that is, the average salary accrued in the sector is 3-4 times higher there, depending on how easy it is to evaluate. ah. and in this case, you are not involved in many processes in which other citizens are involved. for example, your lifestyle is changing , you are guaranteed to often take a taxi, that is, an it specialist in a taxi, when you are just late trite to work, that's fine. so, uh, you break away from reality, because you pay off the same mortgage faster, which, by the way, is not very good for the economy, uh, and in this case, you have a parallel reality. you begin to surround yourself with people like yourself and this creates
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problems. these are mental breaks, when a person no longer understands that these people are not because they are some kind of bad or something. but they, it turns out, have such power, because under this power. here they all suffer. and here they are because they work to the west. they are just like celestials. no, it's not. they just actually work abroad without actually going abroad, no more than they receive overseas salaries. what if someone went to poland to kick ass, but would not go to poland would collect strawberries remotely state in the private sector. uh, within the framework of ideology, there is no weak ideological vertical there. and the system grant support for some ideological
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state pro-state initiatives from below is not provided. that is, it turned out that e it industry was, e, in fact, separated from the life of the state from patriotic education from civil society, firstly, and the second moment, who in her place came to this empty place, firstly, interaction with western companies, first of all, in segmentality, which broadcast the meanings corresponding to the value, ideas the second moment. ta er connection pro western and ngo agents who received foreign grant funding, but used this initiative in civil society in the it industry, uh, simple it. and sent them into destructive anti-state
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channels. well, the third point is correct, or i said the isolation of the it people themselves in social networks, all the good things are good, they are in privileged conditions with subsidies through tax breaks by this state. they blamed the state for lower incomes in other areas, and they believed that with the help of these fake riots. yes, they will be able to change the internal situation, that is, but politically green, uh, hamsters, uh, located in a greenhouse. uh, this is the main problem, so our task is to enter the industry, patriotic forces, civil society , trade unions were present. eh, good. i hope that it people are now thinking about protecting the rights of the workers, first of all, themselves, at least then, i think. after reaching such prospects, we will be able to say that
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this industry will be more patriotic. high technologies that are very strong have entered our lives. and this sphere continues to develop. what next steps are being prepared for, what can some breakthrough discoveries be? we are now waiting to enter the industrial sector, for which we will not leave to prepare, but we all go into virtual reality, though there is nothing fundamentally new, except for augmented reality. i am personally anti-virtual reality. in my opinion. it will simply spoil the psyche of people with augmented reality. it can help us, in what way we can supplement our interaction, and with this information segment, that is, the engineer can see not only with his own eyes, but additional background information. i have this information on some specific issues. virtual reality creates a completely distorted picture. here we must uh in the medium term expect the introduction of artificial intelligence drones automation uh, low-skilled from the middle- skilled workforce in this situation.
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today we need to think about the transformation of education by raising standards so that we the average socialist citizen performed more complex functions, and the apparatus was not replaced. thank you very much for a very interesting conversation. i hope that all these spheres together with everything will work for the benefit and prosperity of the country. thank you thank you together with the stars, expert psychotherapists , whenever a person has some kind of unrealistic. the goal is not achieved, which in itself is understandable. it can always be justified. you must have left something unfinished, let's discuss the topical issues that we
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