they were cynicized on the same day and there were no adverse reactions from this, for example, therefore, this year we, in principle, absolutely with peace of mind recommend vaccinating on the same day. firstly, it does not give e the possibility that we may, uh, during the two weeks that pass from one vaccination to another, we can get sick with something and, accordingly , carry the vaccination. and we understand that we have for influenza vaccination 2 months october november in order to vaccinate get vaccinated and have time before the rise in the incidence of the flu, and in order to have time to develop immunity, therefore, i think that this is a very, uh, good start for the people to think about health and those who have not been vaccinated against covid start vaccination or those who need it, booster vaccination could also be done in one day from 18 against influenza, well, how is it going in belarus? according to

the vaccination against covid-19, we currently have, er, the vaccination against covid has already been completed. uh, almost 70% already of the population and booster vaccination is already about 50%, there are literally two tenths left, and the percentages to reach 50% are those who received the first booster vaccination, but there are already people who receive the second booster vaccination. that is, where someone used to be vaccinated in the twentieth year. they are now on their second booster dose. we know that not only adults can be vaccinated, but also children in our country from the age of five. that's how justified. yes, such early enough, let's say. yes you know we we are also guided by the experience of other countries, which, in the first waves of vaccination, began to vaccinate children and began to vaccinate from the age of 12. then they quickly expanded to many

countries already from three years. some countries start and, uh, already practically there from the age of two or from infancy to vaccinate against covid. and it shows that children tolerate vaccination quite easily and hmm problems that arise after vaccination. no, how important is that very booster vaccination in the war today they said and how often it is needed to do with regard to vaccination against blood. yes , mmm, and a booster dose is given every six months, depending on the main course of vaccination after the first and second dose or after the next booster. that is, the present, while it remains so, but such a vaccination scheme, when will we vaccinate with a booster, and every six months, regardless of what vaccine and whether it will be a satellite of the first component, or is it a satellite of the second component, or another price that may appear on our market . well today on our

there are russian and chinese vaccines on the market. i'm talking about comedy now. is it planned to expand this list at the expense of some others, maybe in the coming days, and we expect that it will enter the market. uh, the cuban vaccine was collected, plus it will just be possible to use it too for a quick and vaccine. petrovsky political scientist, political analyst, let's talk with you today about one of the most popular professions today, and not so long ago the head

of state held a meeting on this topic, and let's start with, in general, what place does the it sphere occupy today in the overall structure of the belarusian economy, with which we can compare it does not stand out as a separate sphere like this. this is our telecommunications. that's all that is connected with this, so it stands out specifically what part it occupies there is quite difficult, but it is no more than five percent 3-5. so, according to various calculations of the percentage of our economy, the second moment. we must also be sober about the knowledge intensity to go us it technology - this is basically outsourcing, which hmm is included in the western, first of all, technological chains and, uh, his earnings are connected first with the good training of it specialists in belarus. and the second point is that

we have a good history. e image that we always fulfill all our requirements within the framework of it and the belarusian programmer with it. sl- easy. it is easy to negotiate with him and conduct business affairs, therefore, when they choose from the big set, and belarusians offer one of the top ones and moreover, their payment is more top than in some western countries surcharges. we will talk in general about which countries they mainly work for. here peter says that we are working on an external logistics chain which countries we worked for, well, first of all, outsourcing, if we are talking about this segment in the telecommunications sector, but it was focused on the united states, great britain, european countries and only partly on asia, and the most paying were the biggest clients. for a long time it was western, which we today call so to speak

the collective west, and including the cis countries are also large oil companies, e business banks have been quite active clients of our it-business. and what is happening now in general in such a global it-sphere and how much supply chains are in the conditions of such an external crisis, and what will happen next, will our it specialists have a job, for that very external period, firstly, now in these industries have a certain growth ceiling. why because the wages that were formed in the environment of it specialists, it was associated with a certain shortage of these specialists in the common global market. now we are coming to the conclusion that this deficit is gradually being eliminated in our country as well. the same process will take place that happened with engineers, at the end of the economist there are no engineers at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century, when they

became by the middle of the 20th century, these are average specialists with an average salary. here is the alignment. now will enter. here is the industry the second point that should be identified is the sanctions war between collective west conditional collective east. uh, which hmm stops some. eh, some connections bring out some of the players in the western market, if we look at the belarusian ones, it brings out the players quite strongly and the question arises. and where should the belarusian it go? it is clear that here inside the eurasian market. it is small enough for this area and here we see such a hybrid scenario a the science intensity of these technologies, that is, the process is a strategic process and the second moment, which can be faster, is the reorientation to the countries of southeast asia before

total, china this is enough market capacity. there 's plenty of question in another. firstly, and this is in the ability to work with such a specific chinese market, and the second moment is the mental readiness of it companies and specialists who work there to interact with the chinese, because this is a different corporate culture. it may seem to many who are especially infected. this is western corporatism and values. it may seem uncomfortable and, uh, an example of this is the history of our entire theory of the industry, where uh sufficiently solvent market, southeast asia for them, they are still not a priority, despite the fact that china is a strategic partner for us, but in general, there are certain moments of doubt about the prospects of the it industry in belarus, but these are rather risks. i would name them first of all,

you need to understand that our it sphere is roughly divided in half. that is, half - it's just the private sector and the state another half in terms of personnel. i mean it's pt that is. here they must be clearly separated pvd, has its own structure approximately 80% of this is outsourced, and therefore the remaining part of it, the belarusian industry is not so dependent, because it mainly works for domestic markets. or is it a private relationship with specific clients. these are not large outsourcing companies. so, outsourcing companies have a problem when a recession or some kind of global phenomenon begins, as in the twentieth year it was with every kind of companies first of all cut costs. what exactly to outsource. they are suspending development. well software, because they are already functioning, and they may not incur additional costs for some time, thereby suspending companies are forced to either pay salaries to employees out of their own pockets or

cut them altogether, that is, here is a recession, which is now actively large e entrepreneurs in the us say that the us is entering a phase of recession, europe is already in it, and some countries have already recognized this within themselves. and that's it at the time of the recession, its beginning it, the industry is precisely outsourcing is starting to experience the biggest problems, so now that's half of our practically half of our theory of the industry. that's how peter correctly told them. it 's worth considering that you reorient yourself to the asia-pacific region in the middle east. it will be very difficult, because sometimes belarusians are chosen between belarusians and indians, who also make up a very powerful information cluster. these are not the indians who in the nineties wrote for lines of code payment. it's already there. companies with uh good corporate culture and high quality, and we compete with them, but they often conclude contracts with us, because we are europeans, it is easier to communicate with us. we have a good cultural code,

it is easier to communicate with us with a single cultural code, and we know english well, that is, how not to twist it, it’s still problematic, probably, even in the field of communication, the chinese know english perfectly well. believe me. yes, here, here are the indians, in principle, a former colony, where the english language of the states is yes, this is a question again more of a mental nature, but here i would focus specifically on science intensity and on linking to our industrial class. this is the main question. why because, unfortunately? this subsidizing, by and large, through tax incentives for the it sector, which took place from the middle of zero years until recently, has led to a certain bias and a washout of personnel from our industrial cluster. why as they say, receive conditionally 1,000 dollars there, if i can

go and receive 2,500 or and for what such money was paid, after all, and the salary of it specialists and such some kind of mythical absolute figure . why such salaries? where do these amounts come from? here we must understand that, unlike, for example, from us, peter, people working in belarus . where our employers are belarusians, and we work in belarus, thereby our full production cycle. so to say, the goods or services are located in belarus. for an it specialist, the customer, of course, is abroad and in fact. why does outsourcing exist at all? there are americans, british, there are germans and so on. which have their own internal salaries, based on these economic conditions, but in order to be cheaper they find specialists in regions where the salary is lower, but the quality is not worse. they shoot there, in fact, that's the whole specificity of outsourcing, and therefore they actually pay not their american or british salary there, but not our average belarusian salary in order to involve good interesting personnel here, including

our salary of it specialists . they are kind of overheated. that is, we compete in salaries in places even with st. petersburg and moscow, and this is an abnormal situation, in fact, it was formed solely from the external conjuncture, because a person using the internet can work remotely, that is, in fact, they work in the american or british or any other market not in belarus , this is the fundamental difference why is it sometimes not even very correct to compare their salaries with belarusian ones. i would also add here, because for the most part an it company is a transnational corporation. and often even in the vast majority of cases, and are not registered in the so-called offshore zones, that is, they do not carry any social burden, they are, by and large, from a social point of view , they are parasites that enjoy the benefits of belarusian education

. are lending. and this is the main problem of the it industry and our task is to ensure that these companies are belarusian, that they work on our technological chains and are socially responsibility, and not just sucked the brains out of our education, they used it and said, but we won’t invest your education, because everyone understands very well that specialists with education, uh, who can be programmers the same, and they will say. goodbye to salaries, and they will also go to work and education can leak. and besides this, part of the company is now being forced to go abroad. this one also has like this this is how much of a problem it is for our area to go. after all, they are moving entire families, and we are losing, including the young and promising, we are faced with the fact that many times experts have told the it specialist where trade union

organizations enter the industry. we have the biggest problem with hiring a worker. between an employer and an employee not in the public sector. however, in the private sector and in these industries. in particular, the reds have no one to protect the rights of these hired workers, because the it-shnik is, by and large, the proletarians of mental labor. yes , if, according to the leninist marxian scheme, this proletarian. they think it's pseudo bourgeoisie. this is due to the difference, yes, which pays here, and this is the first point. the second point, and when they move abroad, they face what problems, but here in belarus they had a social package, belarusian free medicine, education is quite good. uh, security infrastructure. they come to another country, firstly for belarus, firstly, they are foreign

citizens. hmm they need to rent a house. if it's some kind of warsaw there. well, it's 600-700 uh euros. uh, free medicine. there is no problem with education. okay yourself children. integration into the foreign language space perspectives of the retirement age, who will pay the pension? uh, i'm not talking about problems with infrastructure and other things, moreover, against the backdrop of a special military operation, there is a certain policy of some western companies hmm to force russians and belarusians out of the industry. that is, like this. uh, cultural ethnic racism in the business arena and many people have the choice to remain it in this regard, or still some of them have already begun to return. who went

tried and returned, despite the fact that he had lost. there work company and so on. i'm not far to go. no, if we abstract, then, of course, the numbers are high. i did just a few months ago. uh, the summary of our personnel in the telecommunications sector is precisely their dismissal. so i summed up the statistics, and starting from the beginning of 21 and until the middle of spring 22, the difference , you know how many in personnel, was less than 20 in total, that is, despite the fact that there was an outflow associated with political events of the twentieth year. then , anyway, there was an influx of personnel in the sector, because new young personnel are graduating from the college of universities, they are graduating from courses, even now, some have returned. uh-huh drops part is back. but no, at that time e was approximately aligned. that

is, no matter how, no matter who shouted, the difference of several thousand was in fact with a total staffing of over 70,000 at that time, so it was within the margin of error. this very political special operation brought additional adjustments there was a second wave of this temporary current, but as we know that here it’s more like an influx somewhere, and a wave, it tends to roll back, and here people will live for three or six months, someone a little longer, someone ashamed to admit to themselves in the fact that he was still wrong someone was forced by the company. he will not go against her right away, but most of the people will return already now , returning from those waves, so this is not a problem, especially in pho. not this recession developing in the west, let's see if they finally live abroad. just see that it's not some talk, what's good somewhere? well, live where it's good.

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for all those who have returned? our main task is not just to provide some jobs . we will provide a job if necessary . uh, our task is to increase the knowledge intensity and surplus value of this product to make this product more sovereign. now we have started to produce a belarusian laptop, and software. what's on it here is the first task. and what is software is the ability to control your information space, primarily because it is a transnational corporation. we remember how they threw trump off twitter. we know. what is the policy of some hmm hosting in relation to our television channels of the information space? uh, what is the policy of social

networks, and without i would not say a word of control without the internet being in the belarusian legislative field, and this can only be provided by the it industry, without this, we will not be a full-fledged sovereign state. this requires people. this requires science. to do this, you need to lure the product. and this means that i would still like to see these specialists often, at least. it was the creation of a good it-cluster in the academy of sciences that would be engaged not in outsourcing, but in depth development, which went into the scientific sphere. as the iron experts say. here is our task, but there are attempts in general. the building, well, relatively speaking, we all know that htp is probably the most famous, yes, and hyped, and it-project in our country, if similar or do they work like that. well, for example, there in the

academy of sciences or in some centers for work. here are more soviet times, some institutes of informatics. uh, there uh, we can hear less of it why because they don’t work not for the market, they work for science, that is, for the future and for strategy belarusian school of cybernetics belarusian school, artificial intelligences exist simply, our main problem is that we are in zero years, uh, we were faced with the task, uh, to keep personnel from the competence in belarus, so we went. well, in the easiest way, service through outsourcing companies is preparing the west. now our task is to correct this and form our own sovereign cluster. science-intensive classes that will work for our country. eh, here it is necessary to speak not only. how much time is needed. and that's at least five years. and how much more money is needed, this should be

certain investments in specialists in creating the entire infrastructure. uh, in order to get it over functioned and was competitive, for the benefit of the sanctions. eh, they help us with this and the fact that there is a certain deficit on the russian market. e such products. this is also our advantage. just talked last year with representatives from the academy of sciences, they described the process. here it is, uh, in many ways the driving factor, uh, rent is just in the west. the difference is that they are often allocated grants that should not be returned. that is, even if the so-called venture funds did not work out, that is, private financing we also have a problem, what is the problem in the academic environment that even if you raise funds, do you ask the academy of sciences for funds for some kind of research? you just break something , but within, in my opinion, 5 years must

return this amount twice. that is, even if the hypothesis turned out to be wrong, then in this case, even if it turned out to be true, then you still drown very much as a bureaucrat. that is, we also need to reconsider some approaches, why sometimes they don’t want to work with us inside the country to interact, in particular, yes, to work some kind of toy for a western country, than to work for our economy, because sometimes these requirements are imposed, they do not correspond to the market situation, too, which is not always possible to pay off the study. here in such a direct time in such a sum. you said that the waves after the political events in connection with the special operation in 2020. and the sphere to go quite actively supported the protest, which then became a driving force for it people. we talked about the fact that salaries are higher than belarusian e, tax preferences. and the appearance that everything is fine. why well, this is actually the basics. factor in my opinion, because when your salary is much higher, that is, the average salary in the it sector is approximately four times higher in belarus , yes. yes, the same average salary accrued in

the sector by 3-4 times. there, depending on how easy it is to evaluate. a and in this case, you are not involved in many processes in which other citizens are involved. for example, your lifestyle is changing, you are guaranteed to travel by taxi often, that is it specialist in a taxi, when he is just corny late for work, this is normal. so, uh, you break away from reality, because you also pay off your mortgage faster, which, by the way, is not very good for the economy, uh, and in this case, you have a parallel reality. you start to surround yourself with people like yourself. and this creates the problem of this mental separation, when a person no longer understands that these people are not because they are some kind of bad or something. but they seem to have such power, because with this authorities. here they all suffer. and here they are, because they work to the west. they are just like celestials. no, it's not. they just actually

work abroad without actually going abroad, no more than they receive overseas salaries. what if someone went to poland to kick ass, but would not go to poland at the same time would collect strawberries remotely meta universe well, figuratively speaking, i would add a few more facts here, firstly, it so happened that we have interaction with the state private sector. uh, within ideology is rather weak ideological vertical is not there. and the system of grant support for some ideological state pro-state initiatives from below is not provided. that is, it turned out that e it industry was, e, in fact, separated from the life of the state from patriotic education from civil society, firstly, and the second moment, who in her place came to this

empty place, firstly, interaction with western companies primarily in the segmentality that broadcast, the corresponding values meanings, ideas second moment. that connection is about western and ngo agents who, while receiving foreign grant funding, used this initiative in civil society in the it industry and simple it people. and sent them into destructive anti-state channels. well, the third point, right, or i said that the it people themselves are torn off in social networks, everything is good, they are, being in privileged conditions with subsidies through tax breaks by this state. they blamed the state for lower incomes in other areas, and they believed that with the help of these fake riots. yes, they will be able

to change the internal situation, that is, but politically green, uh, hamsters, uh, located in a greenhouse. uh, this is the main problem, so our task is to enter the industry, patriotic forces, civil society , trade unions were present. eh, good. i hope that it people are now thinking about protecting the rights of the workers, first of all, themselves, at least then, i think. after reaching such prospects, we will be able to say that the it industry will be more patriotic. high technologies have become a very strong part of our lives and the sphere continues to develop. what are the next steps, what is being prepared for? we are now waiting to enter the industrial sector, for which we will not leave to prepare, but we all go into virtual reality, though there is nothing fundamentally new, except for augmented reality. i am personally anti-virtual

reality. in my opinion. it will simply spoil the psyche of people augmented reality. it can help us, in what way we can supplement our interaction, and with this information segment, that is, the engineer can see not only with his own eyes, but additional background information. i have this information on some specific issues. virtual reality creates a completely distorted picture. here we must e in the medium term expect the introduction of artificial intelligence automation drones, as low-skilled and medium- skilled labor force in this situation. today we need to think about the transformation of education by raising standards so that we the average citizen performed more complex functions, and the apparatus was not replaced. thank you very much for a very interesting conversation. i hope that all these spheres together with everyone will work for the good and prosperity of the country. thank you, thank you